The Wii U Basic only had 8GB of onboard storage. I could barely put anything on it.
changing subjects, would the Frore Airjet still be out of the cards for cooling?
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changing subjects, would the Frore Airjet still be out of the cards for cooling?
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There won’t be a deluge of big third party games all at launch imo. Third parties like their games staggered so they don’t step on each others toes especially early on in a console life cycle when people are only going to buy two or three games at launch.
In Switch 2’s first year I’m expecting two major titles for definite - Red Dead Redemption 2 and Elden Ring.
Outside of those almost every big name third party game from the Xbone/PS4 generation is a possibility down the road. I’d also guess Destiny 2, Star Wars Jedi, CoD Warzone, GTA V Remastered and the Mass Effect Trilogy Remaster.
What percentage boost in performance in Switch 2 are we guessing for the CPU over a PS4 Pro CPU? If some of the games are GPU bound DLSS could see 30fps games run at 60fps on Switch 2 if they offer an ultra performance mode.
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I hope you're right about those two. Those would be an absolute blast to see and play on NG Switch.
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Question re: Storage. What is the feasibility of a process where the Switch 2 allows for memory expansion through micro SD cards but employs a "smart" algorithm to keep whatever titles you're currently playing on the onboard memory to retain fast load times? As an example, if you haven't played a game in a few weeks, the console would automatically back it up to the SD, but then if you start playing it again it would boot, but then transfer the data back to the onboard memory in the background. I'm thinking of the way certain Xbox/PS5 games allow you to start playing before the download is entirely complete.
Found this which could be interesting. Screenshot so the person doesn't get spammed. A big UFS experience person. Section of interest is the Samsung Software Engineer section. Don't know what the terminology meant but a Nintendo game card project 2022 is probably next gen related. I don't think Samsung was involved for game card in the Nintendo Switch so this is a weird project. Nintendo is probably sticking with Macronix for the game card so what could Samsung involvement be?
Edit: The 'Nand flash memory card verification with program execution using agile' text under Samsung Semiconductor is also interesting. It matches with the About section which defined Nand flash memory as UFS. Could Nand flash memory card be about UFS card?
Since I'm biased, I take this as confusing expansion card for Nintendo as game card for Nintendo and total confirmation that Nintendo is planning to use UFS in the next Switch.
Edit: The 'Nand flash memory card verification with program execution using agile' text under Samsung Semiconductor is also interesting. It matches with the About section which defined Nand flash memory as UFS. Could Nand flash memory card be about UFS card?
Since I'm biased, I take this as confusing expansion card for Nintendo as game card for Nintendo and total confirmation that Nintendo is planning to use UFS in the next Switch.
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Even if we go with this, April is still great. Not much difference between March/April.
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Found this which could be interesting. Screenshot so the person doesn't get spammed. UFS experience. Section of interest is the Samsung Software Engineer section. Don't know what the terminology meant but this is in 2022 so probably Switch 2 related. Was Samsung one of the game card provider for the Switch? Since I'm biased, I take this as total confirmation that Nintendo is planning to use UFS in the next Switch.
(edited: nvm, i see the connection now)
It says "game card", hmmm.
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Found this which could be interesting. Screenshot so the person doesn't get spammed. UFS experience. Section of interest is the Samsung Software Engineer section. Don't know what the terminology meant but this is in 2022 so probably Switch 2 related. Was Samsung one of the game card provider for the Switch? Since I'm biased, I take this as total confirmation that Nintendo is planning to use UFS in the next Switch.
Oh, it's just about that other company, Nitendo. So nothing to see here.
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Looks like this is the new internal memory or the new cartridges
Found this which could be interesting. Screenshot so the person doesn't get spammed. UFS experience. Section of interest is the Samsung Software Engineer section. Don't know what the terminology meant but this is in 2022 so probably Switch 2 related. Was Samsung one of the game card provider for the Switch? Since I'm biased, I take this as total confirmation that Nintendo is planning to use UFS in the next Switch.
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Nice find
Found this which could be interesting. Screenshot so the person doesn't get spammed. UFS experience. Section of interest is the Samsung Software Engineer section. Don't know what the terminology meant but this is in 2022 so probably Switch 2 related. Was Samsung one of the game card provider for the Switch? Since I'm biased, I take this as total confirmation that Nintendo is planning to use UFS in the next Switch.
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LSI - Large System Integration. Specifically, this is a division of Samsung that builds custom chips
Found this which could be interesting. Screenshot so the person doesn't get spammed. UFS experience. Section of interest is the Samsung Software Engineer section. Don't know what the terminology meant but this is in 2022 so probably Switch 2 related. Was Samsung one of the game card provider for the Switch? Since I'm biased, I take this as total confirmation that Nintendo is planning to use UFS in the next Switch.
DSR - I assume this refers to Samsung DRS which is one of their campuses, where a decent chunk of LSI is located
eMMC protocol: the protocol for connected eMMC storage up to a host.
eMMC stands for “embedded multimedia card.” MMC is the predecessor to the SD card. The embedded version allowed you to use similar tech for onboard storage.
Also of note, eMMC doesn’t use SPI as part of its interconnect. SPI is what game cards use now.
To use eMMC as the basis of a new, pluggable card is an unusual strategy. It may be that eMMC is only being used as part of the game card test case, and the actual technology is not eMMC based.
This could be new GameCard tech, but it could also be, conceivably, a proprietary expandable storage tech, if everyone is really loose with their naming.
I would guess that Samsung is manufacturing the controller for Nintendo game cards. Which exists independently of manufacturing them. And since this protocol would have to be customized in some way, I’m not sure we can infer speeds from this information either.
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I almost wonder if it's on purpose to dispel this very practice lol
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It’s one way to avoid ninjas.
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Oh hey, eMMC protocol Game Cards. We could be looking at 300-500MB/s, which if it's compressed and gets decompressed on the fly, could actually be looking at 1GB/s.
Found this which could be interesting. Screenshot so the person doesn't get spammed. A big UFS experience person. Section of interest is the Samsung Software Engineer section. Don't know what the terminology meant but this is in 2022 so probably Switch 2 related. I don't think Samsung was one of the game card provider for the Switch so this is a weird project. I don't see Nintendo moving off Macronix for the card so maybe Samsung just going to be a manufacturer. Since I'm biased, I take this as describing external memory card for Nintendo as game card for Nintendo and total confirmation that Nintendo is planning to use UFS in the next Switch.
Exactly the number we were hoping for. Gosh. No installs, and I'm here for it! Physical games that just work without installs!
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They mispell it as "Nitendo Game Card project"
Found this which could be interesting. Screenshot so the person doesn't get spammed. A big UFS experience person. Section of interest is the Samsung Software Engineer section. Don't know what the terminology meant but this is in 2022 so probably Switch 2 related. I don't think Samsung was one of the game card provider for the Switch so this is a weird project. I don't see Nintendo moving off Macronix for the card so maybe Samsung just going to be a manufacturer. Since I'm biased, I take this as describing external memory card for Nintendo as game card for Nintendo and total confirmation that Nintendo is planning to use UFS in the next Switch.
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They could say "Plumbing Company" to throw people off.
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Switch cards aren’t eMMC. They’re a custom SPI based interconnect. On board storage is eMMC
A 3D NAND solution from Macronix, who make the current switch cards, and whose tech matches up with pre-existing leaks.
When we say UFS we almost always mean eUFS. That’s the onboard storage for phones. UFS technically is the family of protocols which started with a new card format. But the format isn’t manufactured because phones gave up on expandable storage.
There is no existing tech that is a perfect match for game cards. Nintendo has to move to a storage format that scales up larger and cheaper, as games get larger. But traditional NAND is not designed to last very long, and there is no NAND protocol that is read only. Nintendo will have to customize something
I'd say Resident Evil 4 Remake and Resident Evil Village and Assassin's Creed Mirage would be close to locks too.
All three have iOS/Mac versions meaning they're already on ARM architecture and operate at a mobile use case.
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You greatly underestimate the sheer architectural gulf between NVIDIA and AMD with regards to RT/Efficiency, especially factoring DLSS.
Like, no joke, with regards to raw RT Acceleration capability, 12 Ampere RT cores may actually match the 36 Neutered Ray Accelerators in the PS5 (Due to the RA's lacking Infinity Cache making them even slower than they would be on Desktop)
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Yes, and thanks for the correction! Before your response I've already since deleted my other comment when I realized (upon re-googling) Switch game cards weren't eMMC (as you said eMMc is used only for on-board storage), so my question no longer make sense.
Thanks for the insight re: plausibility of UFS tech in game cards, that was educational.
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Which, to be clear, is what Nintendo already did for the NAND-based 8+ GB game cards on the Switch. So that's a big reason to consider the 3D NAND you also mentioned as a likely pick for the next system.
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They should just have refered to it as the "Nin" company and people would be like "You mean Nine Inch Nails?"
Just woundering if UFS technologies also have particular fab nodes. i.e. SEC8N was actually meant to refer to the UFS NAND flash technology.
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Hehe, i remember them saying something about trying to mitigate the scalper issue too.
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So you're saying I can expect the next AAA Zelda to use RT in its full glory?
I wouldn't be surprised. it would greatly benefit from it given the probes that are attached to link and all the non-shadow casting lights
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It literally took me two whole weeks to catch up with this thread lol and does anyone know if the document regarding "Redacted" was also leaked in its unredacted form?????
it was not
I did itI think I can build the entire economic model of Game Pass and answer the question regarding its profitability
I’m so fucking cool
I think they did lose $100s of millions in opportunity cost
Thanks for explaining the terminology. Even for a test, eMMC is a weird choice. Card controller sounds very likely but it's hard to see Nintendo bringing on Samsung for just that part. Feel like Samsung must be manufacturing something else to make the venture worthwhile.
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It’s what LSI does. Someone has to design those chips, and Samsung has the storage experience. This is likely the only custom ASIC that Nintendo needs that won’t be built into the SOC. Who else would do it?
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I think your read on things is likely accurate. But, just to answer your rhetorical question, Nintendo worked with MegaChips (Edit: and Macronix?) to design the current Switch's card controller, so they're another candidate.
...And now that I'm looking at some of these MegaChips docs on the Lotus ASIC, it mentions that eMMC protocol is used between the SoC and the card controller ASIC. So there's a decent chance the same is being done here.
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I was thinking whoever doing it for the Switch. Could be Samsung for all I know but I never heard of Samsung being involved for anything in the Switch.
Edit: guess it's MegaChips, that what I was expecting. An unknown company producing a small rather low production part (no actually knowledge in this field so they might be the biggest company ever and I just never heard of them)
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samsung makes the ram for the system (and screen for the oled model, but that's a different samsung branch)
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Yes it is lol, especially from a transportation side. Microsoft wants to get 6nm as soon as possible to make the device cheaper. Not one, but two of them. Sony from a hardware development perspective is expending tens of millions to develop a whole different chip for a console that will be sold for years. They want that to make a splash ASAP to regain from developing it.
To see that H2 isn’t noisey already is choosing to be oblivious.
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Nitendo? KNEEtendo. More evidence of soon-to-be million-selling IP KNEES.
The Samsung Semiconductor section of that person linkedin could be interesting too.
Is the person talking about UFS card? In 2022? Is UFS card back on the table?
matches up closely with
in the About section. It also further defined Nand flash as UFS.
Is the person talking about UFS card? In 2022? Is UFS card back on the table?
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Idk… but we shall see how it goes.
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Posting the actual evidence from the Switch 1 documentation.
So this is likely what Samsung LSI is responsible for here, the ASIC for the new hardware's card reader. The eMMC protocol test cases mentioned would be validating communication between the SoC (T239) and the new reader. I don't think there's any information in this resume about the game cards themselves or the communication between the reader and the cards.
Strictly speaking, only the work listed between July and September 2022 is explicitly connected to Nintendo. But if we assume that the larger section spanning 2020-2023 covered the same project, "board bringup on embedded platform" would mean integration of the new reader with Nintendo's actual hardware finishing no later than March 2023. Which fits well with complete devkits going out widely this year.
So this is likely what Samsung LSI is responsible for here, the ASIC for the new hardware's card reader. The eMMC protocol test cases mentioned would be validating communication between the SoC (T239) and the new reader. I don't think there's any information in this resume about the game cards themselves or the communication between the reader and the cards.
Strictly speaking, only the work listed between July and September 2022 is explicitly connected to Nintendo. But if we assume that the larger section spanning 2020-2023 covered the same project, "board bringup on embedded platform" would mean integration of the new reader with Nintendo's actual hardware finishing no later than March 2023. Which fits well with complete devkits going out widely this year.
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the first ray traced game on mobile has been out for a couple months. War Thunder Mobile has RT shadows. it's not very noticeable the the performance drop isn't too terrible
EDIT: this video has frame rate over 60fps. the resolution looks really low and the sampling for RT is even lower, hence the frame rate being good
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For the sake of completeness, I feel I should also mention that -- were it not for the specific mention of "Ni[n]tendo Game Card" in the resume -- all of the bullet points seem like they could also apply to a custom card reader for external storage cards, rather than the reader for game cards. I recall that both the current Switch's game card reader and SD card reader are treated as generic "sdmmc" devices from the perspective of the TX1 SoC, and the same concept will be used by T239. But I'm sticking with game cards as the default explanation since that's what the resume says.Posting the actual evidence from the Switch 1 documentation.
So this is likely what Samsung LSI is responsible for here, the ASIC for the new hardware's card reader. The eMMC protocol protocol test cases mentioned would be validating communication between the SoC (T239) and the new reader. I don't think there's any information in this resume about the game cards themselves or the communication between the reader and the cards.
Strictly speaking, only the work listed between July and September 2022 is explicitly connected to Nintendo. But if we assume that the larger section spanning 2020-2023 covered the same project, "board bringup on embedded platform" would mean integration of the new reader with Nintendo's actual hardware finishing no later than March 2023. Which fits well with complete devkits going out widely this year.
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Probably, like the Gamescom demo apparently showed Matrix Awaken with everything enabled so it's effectively the closest to Path Tracing that has been put out as a proper demo (as it has RTGI, RT shadows, and RT Reflections. Heck at night it even has Direct Illumination from windows/lights as the only lightsoruces in the city)
So running Matrix Awakens/City Demo with all its RT features enabled would produce the same.
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To be clear, I don't see March launch as likely. I think March would be reveal, if one has not been done already at that point.
Based on responses to my question, it seems Nintendo does not necessarily have to disclose in their current fiscal filing that they are doing new hardware or launching it etc.
Thus why I said it would seem a March launch is not explicitly ruled out. It've been frequently mentioned by others Nintendo won't launch until after end of March at minimum, "because Nintendo said no new hardware for this fiscal year" - except the filing said no such thing. Nintendo never said in the filing they aren't going to release new hardware this fiscal year.
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