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qwerp said:
They can't really push a release of a new system forward like that.

Remember the new Xbox and Playstation are just revisions of existing hardware. The PS4 pro sales were not that impressive, and xbox sales haven't been impressive since the 360 days. Next gen Switch hardware can easily overcome these two.
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My scenario implies they knew about Sony and MS planning new hardware of whatever kind in 2024 way before us, like in 2021 or so. ^^
 
Bonejack said:
My scenario implies they knew about Sony and MS planning new hardware of whatever kind in 2024 way before us, like in 2021 or so. ^^
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I doubt they would have knew that far out. Only those in R&D of the respective companies (Xbox and Sony) would know at that point.
 
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mjayer said:
Phil Spencer comes off as evil corp boss in that email, yeah, but just try to put yourself in his shoes for a second. OF COURSE he wants to get Nintendo! I mean can you imagine? Gamepass suddenly adds 120 classic Nintendo games to the catalog? Microsoft becomes synonymous with (destroying) gaming overnight? Suddenly their catalog appeals to the whole family in a very real way and not just dudebros? Suddenly they own Disney caliber IP? Instantaneously it's basically unanimous that Microsoft > Sony? (fight me on that last one)

It's the biggest no brainer in history.
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It's not the fact he 'wants to get Nintendo' which would be expected of any person in his position, it's the fact he's mentioned by name a venture capital firm affiliated with Microsoft along with the name of a person who works there that he's been communicating with in the context of market manipulation by pushing for Nintendo investment with the intent of using that investment to pursue to a 'mutually agreeable merger' negotiation, which he sees as more effective strategy than 'hostile action', indicating he's at least considered the possibility of a hostile takeover and decided it less effective than the alternative

This email exchange occurred very shortly after the named venture capital firm bought up over $1bn in Nintendo shares, possibly under his instruction

People aren't bothered by the words, it's the fact some form of action has already been taken and further action had been entertained, with the purpose of avoiding a takeover by pressuring Nintendo into selling through shareholder influence and by playing buddy with them to warm them up to the idea, a combined one-two of coercion and love-bombing tactics

The ending line of "It's just taking a long time for Nintendo to see that their future exists off of their own hardware, a long time... : - )" is the piss-icing on top of the shite-cake
 
Bonejack said:
While i welcome this mindset, as the world does need more "right to repair" ... i am a lazy person, and my ideal scenario would be "make it so it doesn't have to be repaired". ^^
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I'm all for right to repair, but Microsoft also has a slide saying the controller's sustainability has been improved (actually its a row on a table and literally every device says "improved" making it a quite useful and not at all redundant row). I do question how allowing people to buy more sticks and replace those (or possibly not understand they CAN do that and buy a new controller out of laziness) is going to improve sustainability over... say using the well known stick tech that doesn't break over time.
 
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Bonejack said:
You should take a listen to Nate's podcast from last week monday.
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The one where he said he heard from Gamescom “March next year” but wasn’t sure if it was when NDA’s would be up, devkits would be out for some studios or maybe launch?

If the console was releasing next March there would be absolutely no ambiguity. Seriously people actually believing the console will launch in less than six months are being extremely hopeful at best. We would have leaks and a full spec story from Eurogamer if it was coming next March.
 
GigaUltraMoon said:
It's not the fact he 'wants to get Nintendo' which would be expected of any person in his position, it's the fact he's mentioned by name a venture capital firm affiliated with Microsoft along with the name of a person who works there that he's been communicating with in the context of market manipulation by pushing for Nintendo investment with the intent of using that investment to pursue to a 'mutually agreeable merger' negotiation, which he sees as more effective strategy than 'hostile action', indicating he's at least considered the possibility of a hostile takeover and decided it less effective than the alternative

This email exchange occurred very shortly after the named venture capital firm bought up over $1bn in Nintendo shares, possibly under his instruction

People aren't bothered by the words, it's the fact some form of action has already been taken and further action had been entertained, with the purpose of avoiding a takeover by pressuring Nintendo into selling through shareholder influence and by playing buddy with them to warm them up to the idea, a combined one-two of coercion and love-bombing tactics

The ending line of "It's just taking a long time for Nintendo to see that their future exists off of their own hardware, a long time... : - )" is the piss-icing on top of the shite-cake
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Oh it's a shite-cake. I'm just saying, did we expect anything less? Is any of the above illegal? Microsoft has put a lot of eggs in this basket and I don't see them giving up anytime soon.

For those that don't want to see a merger happen (probably all of us?) this leak is the best thing that could have happened. Unless, you know, Microsoft now decides to drop the long game and just go for a hailmerry hostile take over.

I can actually see a world where such a merger would be a very good thing. I mean it will more than likely destroy the Nintendo we know and love but... suppose it doesn't? What a value GamePass would have and the powerful consoles/PC releases of Nintendo software? They can give their teams even more time/resources to develop their games. The pressure to have tentpole console selling titles changes. They can be quirky and fun as they want.

Also Sony will buy Sega and we'll get a whole new era of Mario vs Sonic.
 
Samuspet said:
The one where he said he heard from Gamescom “March next year” but wasn’t sure if it was when NDA’s would be up, devkits would be out for some studios or maybe launch?

If the console was releasing next March there would be absolutely no ambiguity. Seriously people actually believing the console will launch in less than six months are being extremely hopeful at best. We would have leaks and a full spec story from Eurogamer if it was coming next March.
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Dev kits? Now that's the least likely thing, as there seem to be quite a lot already in dev hands.

It's either a Switch January 2017 presentation for ReDraketed, or launch. Anything else isn't really info devs, especially indie devs that were around at the Gamescom demo, would need.

Also, everyone talks about there would be a lot of leaks. We just had two, and we had a leak for a lot of the technical details in the nVidia leak.
 
mjayer said:
I can actually see a world where such a merger would be a very good thing. I mean it will more than likely destroy the Nintendo we know and love but... suppose it doesn't? What a value GamePass would have and the powerful consoles/PC releases of Nintendo software? They can give their teams even more time/resources to develop their games. The pressure to have tentpole console selling titles changes. They can be quirky and fun as they want.

Also Sony will buy Sega and we'll get a whole new era of Mario vs Sonic.
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Nintendo are very well known for the creative freedom and resource allowances they give their developers which is why their entire franchise library is so iconic, the other two not so much, sorry but there's no circumstance where what you've described here proves to be a good one, unless you were being sarcastic and I didn't pick up on it
 
mjayer said:
They can give their teams even more time/resources to develop their games.
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I don't think the company that gave their 2D Mario team no deadline in early production, their massive Zelda project an extra year for polishing, and Nintendo Switch Sports five fucking years of off and on production would benefit by being owned by a content-starved wannabe juggernaut
 
Bonejack said:
Dev kits? Now that's the least likely thing, as there seem to be quite a lot already in dev hands.

It's either a Switch January 2017 presentation for ReDraketed, or launch. Anything else isn't really info devs, especially indie devs that were around at the Gamescom demo, would need.

Also, everyone talks about there would be a lot of leaks. We just had two, and we had a leak for a lot of the technical details in the nVidia leak.
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The nVidia leak is not relevant to NG switch release date. We have only had 1 real concrete switch 2 leak, and that was the eurogamer report. Not much for a supposed console coming out in 6 months.
 
mjayer said:
I can actually see a world where such a merger would be a very good thing. I mean it will more than likely destroy the Nintendo we know and love but... suppose it doesn't? What a value GamePass would have and the powerful consoles/PC releases of Nintendo software? They can give their teams even more time/resources to develop their games. The pressure to have tentpole console selling titles changes. They can be quirky and fun as they want.

Also Sony will buy Sega and we'll get a whole new era of Mario vs Sonic.
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Microsoft shareholders wouldn't give them time. They would milk everything out of the bigger IPs like it is/was done with Halo, Forza, Gears of War until nobody cares for the IPs anymore.
 
mjayer said:
I can actually see a world where such a merger would be a very good thing. I mean it will more than likely destroy the Nintendo we know and love but... suppose it doesn't? What a value GamePass would have and the powerful consoles/PC releases of Nintendo software? They can give their teams even more time/resources to develop their games. The pressure to have tentpole console selling titles changes. They can be quirky and fun as they want.

Also Sony will buy Sega and we'll get a whole new era of Mario vs Sonic.
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I clicked it now what
 
How much Microsoft was projecting to pay to get games on GamePass

Red Dead 2 - $5M/mth
Suicide Squad - $250M
Star Wars Jedi Survivor - $300M
Mortal Kombat 1 - $250M
Baldur's Gate 3 - $5M
Gotham Knights - $30M
Assassin's Creed Rift - $100M
GTA V - $12-$15M/mth
Dying Light 2 - $50M
LEGO Star Wars - $35M
Dragon Ball: The Breakers - $20M
Return to Moneky Island - $5M
Wreckfest 2 - $10-$14M
Just Dance - $5M
Blood Runner - $5M
Glitch Busters - $5M

$250m for Suicide Squad... Remember when people were hopeful.

Warner Bros would literally kill several people to get that deal now, should have taken it back when Microsoft thought this in mid 2022.
 
qwerp said:
The nVidia leak is not relevant to NG switch release date. We have only had 1 real concrete switch 2 leak, and that was the eurogamer report. Not much for a supposed console coming out in 6 months.
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I'd say a leak that talks about specific details of hardware and the state of the API that comes with it kinda does tell something about the release date. Cause if those things aren't decided on, fixed and in a usable state, it means you're years of launch.
 
Kreeth said:
I know it's anecdotal but I worked in retail for years, selling video games in a big chain of cultural stores here in France, and for a while I thought exactly the same... until the 2019 Switch revision. All day long, I'd have a ton of kids, parents and even old people whose VG knowledge was limited to Mario, Pikachu and Fifa, come to me with the Switch boxes asking if it was the revised version because they wouldn't buy it otherwise. They wouldn't know the exact details of why it was different, they just "knew it was better than the day one Switch" because they heard it from kids all around who heard it from their favorite influencers.

I can even see this with my nephews who are 7 and 11. They barely play video games but because they and their friends watch a lot of influencers and streamers on Twitch talking about these things, they know just as much and base their gifts on these information (my nephew got an OLED this way... I don't even have an OLED!!)
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That attitude also benefits Nintendo- because it means suddenly they've gotten a super casual audience buying Next Gen day 1.
 
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Not an insider by any means and this not major news, but my client whose end client is Sega is running a project with my team that initially started with interest in data for all consoles, to now only focusing on Xbox one, Series X/S, and PS5. They completely cut out Switch and PS4 from their research!
 
The idea of another March launch feels weird to me. Like, yeah, I'd imagine when it comes to the question of "when do you think the competition will release their next hardware", Nintendo would have accounted for the possibility of the other two doing mid-gen refreshes again in either Holiday 2023 or 2024 alongside all the other stuff they needed to take into account when solidifying launch plans. And with the success of the Switch's March launch, the idea of launching outside of the holiday season again to avoid that mess is probably appealing. It just feels... oddly immediate in my head? Like, announcing hardware for Spring in the Fall gives "we don't care about holiday sales" vibes that doesn't seem super great on the financial sheets, and announcing it January seems like such a quick turnaround. Dunno, I'm just rambling.

Also, why are we talking about the Microsoft email in the hardware thread?

mjayer said:
I can actually see a world where such a merger would be a very good thing. I mean it will more than likely destroy the Nintendo we know and love but... suppose it doesn't? What a value GamePass would have and the powerful consoles/PC releases of Nintendo software? They can give their teams even more time/resources to develop their games. The pressure to have tentpole console selling titles changes. They can be quirky and fun as they want.

Also Sony will buy Sega and we'll get a whole new era of Mario vs Sonic.
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Can confirm. Do not click. They posted Act II of The King in Yellow. This is my last sentence before succumbing to madness.
 
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GigaUltraMoon said:
Nintendo are very well known for the creative freedom and resource allowances they give their developers which is why their entire franchise library is so iconic, the other two not so much, sorry but there's no circumstance where what you've described here proves to be a good one, unless you were being sarcastic and I didn't pick up on it
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It's well documented Sony gives their first party studios lots of freedom, too. They might not be making the cutesy cartoon games you call "creative', but they're pretty much free to do whatever they want as long as it fulfils their quality standards. I can't tell you much about Xbox, but their output issues for a gen and a half are probably telling us something.
 
Bonejack said:
I'd say a leak that talks about specific details of hardware and the state of the API that comes with it kinda does tell something about the release date. Cause if those things aren't decided on, fixed and in a usable state, it means you're years of launch.
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It isn't doesn't tell us a March release/window, is what I am getting at. It tells us nothing about what time in 2024 we will get the system.

And isn't that leak from 2021? If it was then it did mean were years from launch lol
 
Microsoft would probably benefit more from acquiring SIE than Nintendo. Nintendo is incompatible with their business and technology in a lot of ways, Sony isn't so much.
 
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qwerp said:
It isn't doesn't tell us a March release/window, is what I am getting at. It tells us nothing about what time in 2024 we will get the system.

And isn't that leak from 2021? If it was then it did mean were years from launch lol
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Why would you need that tech leak to tell you about March specifically.

The initial talking point was "If it was just 6 months away, there would've been more leaks like..." and i gave examples of such leaks.
 
Raccoon said:
the "damn that's a big pdf" to *inadvertent corporate espionage* pipeline
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Nothing in this leak is that surprising except Bethesda somehow thinking that they could maintain a 3 year release pace with Bethesda titles after Fallout 76.

The next Xbox launching in 2028 with a big focus on machine learning (both in terms of cloud support for games and for hardware to accelerate machine learning algorithms) is something everyone could project, lol.

It's very cool it happened here, but I doubt that this affects Microsoft at all.

The only negative for them is that it makes a lot of Bethesda and Xbox people seem out of touch and not aware of their industry.
 
Bonejack said:
Why would you need that tech leak to tell you about March specifically.

The initial talking point was "If it was just 6 months away, there would've been more leaks like..." and i gave examples of such leaks.
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Because if it was a march release, we would be hearing a lot more about it by now. In the grand scheme of things, especially compared to the NX days, we haven't heard much. Yes we have had 2 concrete leaks of the system itself but no about an imminent release or even a reveal.
 
qwerp said:
Because if it was a march release, we would be hearing a lot more about it by now. In the grand scheme of things, especially compared to the NX days, we haven't heard much. Yes we have had 2 concrete leaks of the system itself but no about an imminent release or even a reveal.
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What more do you want to hear? I'd argue we know more about ReDraketed than we knew about Switch at the same timeframe.
 
Lancelot said:
It's well documented Sony gives their first party studios lots of freedom, too. They might not be making the cutesy cartoon games you call "creative', but they're pretty much free to do whatever they want as long as it fulfils their quality standards. I can't tell you much about Xbox, but their output issues for a gen and a half are probably telling us something.
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Ratchet and Clank, Astro's Playroom, Sackboy's adventure, Spyro Reunited etc. say Hi.
 
H1 in general is starting to make more sense when you consider how much hardware is planned to release in H2 2024 now. Even if Nintendo isn't aware of release plans the amount of factory/assembly space will be much tighter that time of year to make for a harder launch.
 
Bonejack said:
What more do you want to hear? I'd argue we know more about ReDraketed than we knew about Switch at the same timeframe.
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Nintendo themselves were talking about the NX well ahead of the Switch reveal, and both they and SE has confirmed titles for the NX (BotW and DQ11). I'd argue we've seen nothing close to that level of confirmation from anyone. The last on the record word from Nintendo was "no new hardware this fiscal year". Unless Nintendo lied to investors, this thing isn't coming out before April 1, 2024.
 
qwerp said:
More people actually reporting March 2024 lol. It is only 6 months away.
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User fwd-bwd has a post where they collected reports, rumors and what not for when it could possibly release, maybe you find that handy, there's been a few rumors about H1. I'm to lazy to look for it though.

Which, btw. is also my point of view, i'm not saying it's definitely releasing March 2024, i'm saying H1. I just said that outside of launch or Switch January 2017 like showcase, there's nothing else that would make sense in March 2024.

BassForever said:
Nintendo themselves were talking about the NX well ahead of the Switch reveal, and both they and SE has confirmed titles for the NX (BotW and DQ11). I'd argue we've seen nothing close to that level of confirmation from anyone. The last on the record word from Nintendo was "no new hardware this fiscal year". Unless Nintendo lied to investors, this thing isn't coming out before April 1, 2024.
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I'm pretty sure that they never said anything about hardware in this fiscal year and that this has been a misquote / wrong translation.

Also, i think there's quite a few differences in the situation Nintendo was in before Switch launch and now.

As for SQEX ... TGS is about to start, time enough for Horii to do a Horii again, right?
 
Bonejack said:
Dev kits? Now that's the least likely thing, as there seem to be quite a lot already in dev hands.

It's either a Switch January 2017 presentation for ReDraketed, or launch. Anything else isn't really info devs, especially indie devs that were around at the Gamescom demo, would need.

Also, everyone talks about there would be a lot of leaks. We just had two, and we had a leak for a lot of the technical details in the nVidia leak.
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I’m talking full spec reveals including clock speeds like Eurogamer do with EVERY console since Xbox One in Spring 2013.

If Switch 2 was out in less than six months there would be the above along with a ton of other leaks and info about the device from other sources. Probable factory leaks aswell as it enters mass production.

The only concrete info we really have is old info from the Nvidia document and the latest stuff about the Matrix UE5 demo from Gamescom and a vague March statement from Nate.

Nintendo have now shown their hand for the rest of this year and software well into 2024. I don’t expect to even see this device officially mentioned until after next March then released next Winter.

I personally expect the reveal of Switch 2 to be at next years E3 Direct (or just before it in a separate presentation).
 
locking in May 24, 2024 as the launch date of the Nintendo Switch 24 with launch software Super Mario 24, Wave Race 24, and Nintendogs 24
 
ItWasMeantToBe19 said:
How much Microsoft was projecting to pay to get games on GamePass

Red Dead 2 - $5M/mth
Suicide Squad - $250M
Star Wars Jedi Survivor - $300M
Mortal Kombat 1 - $250M
Baldur's Gate 3 - $5M
Gotham Knights - $30M
Assassin's Creed Rift - $100M
GTA V - $12-$15M/mth
Dying Light 2 - $50M
LEGO Star Wars - $35M
Dragon Ball: The Breakers - $20M
Return to Moneky Island - $5M
Wreckfest 2 - $10-$14M
Just Dance - $5M
Blood Runner - $5M
Glitch Busters - $5M

$250m for Suicide Squad... Remember when people were hopeful.

Warner Bros would literally kill several people to get that deal now, should have taken it back when Microsoft thought this in mid 2022.
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Gotham Knights number is more interesting now that they announced today it’s coming to GP
 
Samuspet said:
I’m talking full specs including clock speeds like Eurogamer do with EVERY console since Xbox One in Spring 2013.

If Switch 2 was out in less than six months there would be the above along with a ton of other leaks and info about the device from other sources. Probable factory leaks aswell as it enters mass production.

The only concrete info we really have is old info from the Nvidia document and the latest stuff about the Matrix UE5 demo from Gamescom and a vague March statement from Nate.

Nintendo have now shown their hand for the rest of this year and software well into 2024. I don’t expect to even see this device officially mentioned until next March then released next Winter.
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Look, it's okay if these are your expectations.

But we would have a better discussion if personal expecations wouldn't be presented as facts.

I mean, if i was cheeky i could point out that as of now, we have more indications of a H1 release, including a report from said Eurogamer.

Also, i'm pretty sure Eurogamer never reported a full, detailed tech breakdown of Switch prior to release.
 
TomNookYankees said:
Does Tom Warren really not know the difference between accelerometers and gyrometers?
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I honestly just used that tweet because I wanted a somewhat decent source and not just "heres the image" but... wow I didnt notice that XD

Well its better than what some people would have said? I guess?
 
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