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invwar said:
Data and ML Engineers have nothing to do with Games. Their job is to process Data and get new information out of it. It is much more likely this role will have to work with the EShop data or maybe the NSO in general. One major area is there the tracking data, to identify what people actually do when surfing on the website. Most interesting is there where people stop, because then Analysts can identify why the people didn't buy. But there are a lot of other use cases, all not gaming related at all. Of course, it could be that these engineers are processing Multiplayerdata too, but this would also mostly related to get Data from A to B, nothing which would directly go into gaming.
If you search for people, who might work on features which result in better gaming experience, it is more likely a classic Hardware or Software Engineer (specialized on hardware driver). They would work on improvements of the gaming experience. But to be honest, I don't see these positions US based. As long they partner with NVidia, it would be anyway best, if they use their resources, as they have the best engineers employed. And other Hardware was yet always mostly japan based developed.
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The description is about ML algorithms running on native hardware from how much they talk about power consumption.

Do not expect very advanced ML algorithms to be used considering they're talking about these running on the CPU.
 
Rhythm Shift said:
The Switch 2 wouldn't need that amount of RAM to run the Resident Evil 4 remake. The PlayStation 4 can run the game too.
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That’s the joke, to get Capcom support it needs stupid high requirements even for stuff it shouldn’t be needed like MH Portable or PS4 ports, Capcom and their tests…
 
Skittzo said:
Nintendo would not be asking large groups of devs including indie devs in a group setting to have trailers ready for a March reveal at Gamescom.

They would be putting together a reveal video and determining which handful of third party games they would want shown in that video, then privately contact marketing execs at those companies.
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This is your confirmation bias speaking. You may be right, but you shouldn't be so sure of it.
 
Hermii said:
This is your confirmation bias speaking. You may be right, but you shouldn't be so sure of it.
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It's logical deduction, not confirmation bias. I've said plenty of times I don't think it's launching in March, I suspect the March date is more related to when games need to be in for certification for the launch, or potentially the date of a live conference.

Either of those would necessitate telling a large group of developers (including indie devs) months in advance. An announcement/reveal for the new console where only a handful of third party games from the biggest publishers would likely be shown is not something* that would necessitate that.

*In my opinion
 
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ItWasMeantToBe19 said:
I don't know how correlated UFS costs are with SSD costs so it's not clear.

I expect 512 just because Nintendo very much wants people to buy digitally as much as possible.
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yeah I guess that's true it's probably using different storage medium I forgot about that
 
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Ok, made it to 1632. Only about 60 pages to go…

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On the subject of process nodes from last week, I can see Switch 2 being much larger than we think, given the hypothetical 8” screen. But then again, how certain are we it'll have a screen like that? And same goes with that Gamescom rumor? How certain are we of that rumor?

And by extension, whether 8nm, or 4N? All we truly know at this point is the chip itself, and as mentioned before, that is through info that was originally illegally obtained, and was not meant to hit the public realm.

The more we learn, the less we know…
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all of it depends on how much you want to believe the publications. the Gamescom stuff come from two of the most trusted publications (Eurogamer, VGC)

the node, we have no idea and can only make deductions based on info we already know about the nodes and the products that released on them
 
Skittzo said:
It's logical deduction, not confirmation bias. I've said plenty of times I don't think it's launching in March, I suspect the March date is more related to when games need to be in for certification for the launch, or potentially the date of a live conference.

Either of those would necessitate telling a large group of developers (including indie devs) months in advance. An announcement/reveal for the new console where only a handful of third party games from the biggest publishers would likely be shown is not something that would necessitate that.
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"Only a handful" my dude, this is the successor to the best selling (in the end) gaming system of all time.
 
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Skittzo said:
Nintendo would not be asking large groups of devs including indie devs in a group setting to have trailers ready for a March reveal at Gamescom.

They would be putting together a reveal video and determining which handful of third party games they would want shown in that video, then privately contact marketing execs at those companies.
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You weren’t there, dude. You have no idea of the context, the way ‘March’ came up or anything. Your guess is no better than anyone else’s.

Like what will you even say if Switch 2 gets revealed in March?
 
YolkFolk said:
You weren’t there, dude. You have no idea of the context, the way ‘March’ came up or anything. Your guess is no better than anyone else’s.

Like what will you even say if Switch 2 gets revealed in March?
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I'll say I was wrong. Like I say all the time when I'm wrong!

Am I claiming anywhere to know anything for a fact? I literally just said I'm using logical deduction to come to this conclusion, that means it's my opinion based on reasoning.
 
Vash_the_Stampede said:
I think I can build the entire economic model of Game Pass and answer the question regarding its profitability

I’m so fucking cool 😎

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The question is not about its profitability but about its opportunity cost. Subscription services only appeal to very hardcore gamers so it's reasonable that Microsoft could just release indie titles and old backlog titles and have the same amount of subscriptions (as that would still be worth it to hardcore gamers). If that is the case, then Microsoft just lost hundreds of millions of dollars releasing Starfield directly on GamePass because now hardcore gamers don't have to pay them more whereas casual gamers won't maintain a subscription after Starfield (because it isn't worth it to them).

This is basically what Sony and Nintendo have reasoned out and is likely correct. NSO+ doesn't receive day one Nintendo games, but it's still worth it to me. Nintendo would just be throwing away money if they put Pikmin 4 on there day 1.
 
Skittzo said:
I'll say I was wrong. Like I say all the time when I'm wrong!

Am I claiming anywhere to know anything for a fact? I literally just said I'm using logical deduction to come to this conclusion, that means it's my opinion based on reasoning.
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It’s all going a bit my tupla.
 
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I’d love to be wrong, but the chances of a March release get smaller and smaller by the day. I’d go as far as to say a March release was highly unlikely based on what we know. This idea of a trailer for Switch 2 just before Christmas, I don’t know, it just seems fantastical to me. Maybe the dark side of the force is clouding my vision, but I’ve been around a good while and I’m just not getting the ‘vibe’ you know?
 
YolkFolk said:
I’d love to be wrong, but the chances of a March release get smaller and smaller by the day. I’d go as far as to say a March release was highly unlikely based on what we know. This idea of a trailer for Switch 2 just before Christmas, I don’t know, it just seems fantastical to me. Maybe the dark side of the force is clouding my vision, but I’ve been around a good while and I’m just not getting the ‘vibe’ you know?
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If you're still referring to my posts, nowhere in this chain of posts have I actually said I expect it's releasing in March.

I think it's more likely to be April-May based on what we know, with the March date referring to a deadline for game cert or possibly a live conference.
 
Skittzo said:
I'm not even sure what that means.

I have presented my reasoning, which nobody is actually arguing about. You're just telling me I can't know this for sure when I never actually claimed to know it for sure.
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It's logical deduction following extremely questionable assumptions. Most notably that you think Nintendo intentionally does not want to show third-party games at the reveal of the Switch 2.

If Nintendo could show 40 big-ish third-party games at a May blowout reveal (most of them in montage, but sure), they would absolutely love to.

They didn't do this for the Switch 1 because it was the successor to the WiiU and thus had shitty support at first.
 
Skittzo said:
If you're still referring to my posts, nowhere in this chain of posts have I actually said I expect it's releasing in March.

I think it's more likely to be April-May based on what we know, with the March date referring to a deadline for game cert or possibly a live conference.
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I wasn’t.
 
Raccoon said:
mark your calendars for May 24, 2024

and unlike our buddy ol pal skittzo I know 100% for sure that it's coming out on that day
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I predict we have no longer than 24 hours remaining before this forum splits into Famiboards March and Famiboard May, as the inevitable Team March and Team May side taking ensues, and polarisation spins, as it always does, out of control.

You incant with spells you cannot control, non-rodent.
 
Bonejack said:
Look, it's okay if these are your expectations.

But we would have a better discussion if personal expecations wouldn't be presented as facts.

I mean, if i was cheeky i could point out that as of now, we have more indications of a H1 release, including a report from said Eurogamer.

Also, i'm pretty sure Eurogamer never reported a full, detailed tech breakdown of Switch prior to release.
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I in no way present any of my guesses as fact. I’m always careful to put (for me, in my opinion, I believe, I expect etc). This is a speculation thread…

Thanks to all for the correction on the Switch Eurogamer article spec mistake. My bad.
 
Skittzo said:
It's logical deduction, not confirmation bias. I've said plenty of times I don't think it's launching in March, I suspect the March date is more related to when games need to be in for certification for the launch, or potentially the date of a live conference.

Either of those would necessitate telling a large group of developers (including indie devs) months in advance. An announcement/reveal for the new console where only a handful of third party games from the biggest publishers would likely be shown is not something* that would necessitate that.

*In my opinion
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+ Personally, I think that if the Switch 2 were to be released in March, we'd already have seen MP4 at the last Nintendo direct.

I think what Nate has heard but doesn't have the context refers to the date of a public first announcement of the console or an internal date for studios that would like their games to appear in the console launch.
 
Tulipe said:
+ Personally, I think that if the Switch 2 were to be released in March, we'd already have seen MP4 at the last Nintendo direct.

I think what Nate has heard but doesn't have the context refers to the date of a public first announcement of the console or an internal date for studios that would like their games to appear in the console launch.
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Prime 4 probably just isn't ready to show with a year confirmation, I would guess it's aiming for mid 2025 based on them completing their last major hiring round a few months ago.
 
ItWasMeantToBe19 said:
Prime 4 probably just isn't ready to show with a year confirmation, I would guess it's aiming for mid 2025 based on them completing their last major hiring round a few months ago.
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Technically we had the announcement of the reboot in January 2019.
This means that the decision to reboot and transfer to retro studio must have been made in the summer of 2018.
Even starting from January 2019, next January, it will be 5 years since the reboot was announced.
5 years is the standard number of years for a big AAA, especially as Retro are pretty good developers, I think it's safe to say that the game's dev is nearing the end.
Especially since the game has to be released at some point, they can't develop the game for an infinite amount of time.
And when you add in the 2/3 years of development that were thrown away, the dev must surely have cost a lot of money already.

As soon as the new console is released, Nintendo will focus on it, so I sincerely believe that if the console were to be released in March (with MP4 as a cross gen title), they would already have shown us Metroid, and I can't see Metroid being released in 2025.

Thats why i think Nintendo will target the end of 2024 for their console launch with maybe MP4 if they don't decide to take it out before
 
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ItWasMeantToBe19 said:
Having trailers ready to show for March is absolutely dev-related?
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No? that's Corporate and Marketing Related.

Devs jobs are to do what they can with regards to releases of systems.

Vertical Slices are prepared at the behest of marketing/event showcases/internal demos.

Nintendo can't go to a dev and say "Have trailers ready by X if you want to be in our thing!"

That isn't Nintendo's job to tell devs, nor dev's to convey to those up the ladder. That's Nintendo's Job to tell the higher-ups at the companies about and those higher-ups to direct the devs.

The only instance telling directly is in the case of indies.
 
Alovon11 said:
No? that's Corporate and Marketing Related.

Devs jobs are to do what they can with regards to releases of systems.

Vertical Slices are prepared at the behest of marketing/event showcases/internal demos.

Nintendo can't go to a dev and say "Have trailers ready by X if you want to be in our thing!"

That isn't Nintendo's job to tell devs, nor dev's to convey to those up the ladder. That's Nintendo's Job to tell the higher-ups at the companies about and those higher-ups to direct the devs.

The only instance telling directly is in the case of indies.
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This seems like an extremely specific set of assumptions and again... I would imagine some indies were probably at the demo itself.
 
ItWasMeantToBe19 said:
It's logical deduction following extremely questionable assumptions. Most notably that you think Nintendo intentionally does not want to show third-party games at the reveal of the Switch 2.

If Nintendo could show 40 big-ish third-party games at a May blowout reveal (most of them in montage, but sure), they would absolutely love to.

They didn't do this for the Switch 1 because it was the successor to the WiiU and thus had shitty support at first.
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40 games? that's insane lol
 
TheSentry said:
Are the publications and leakers that claim they have heard H2 2024 (July-Dec.) just totally being ignored in possible hardware launch dates?
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Yep!

They don't seem to have reliable sources. If someone on the street tells you the tide will rise at midday, and the lifeguard says that high tide is 11am, and midday the tide is going out, which will you trust?
 
ItWasMeantToBe19 said:
This seems like an extremely specific set of assumptions and again... I would imagine some indies were probably at the demo itself.
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You think Nintendo would make a large statement just to indies? When there's a lot of devs, probably the majority being your major developers?
 
Concernt said:
Yep!

They don't seem to have reliable sources. If someone on the street tells you the tide will rise at midday, and the lifeguard says that high tide is 11am, and midday the tide is going out, which will you trust?
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You consider the Pokemon 4chan post to be extremely accurate.

A post which said the Switch 2 was launching before or on the same day as SV DLC2.

SV DLC 2 is probably releasing in December.
 
Dark Cloud said:
Other than March, nothing has been said for any other month. It’s fun watching folks convince themselves it’s coming out in a month they pick (in a good way). Lol
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everyone has their biases and own interpretation of things we read and see.
TheSentry said:
Are the publications and leakers that claim they have heard H2 2024 (July-Dec.) just totally being ignored in possible hardware launch dates?
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Prolly cause recent noise is swinging to H1 but obviously H2 is very possible lol.
ItWasMeantToBe19 said:
You consider the Pokemon 4chan post to be extremely accurate.

A post which said the Switch 2 was launching before or on the same day as SV DLC2.

SV DLC 2 is probably releasing in December.
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It's releasing by the end of March. It's impossible to know when it's probably going to be released. If you want to use Sw/sh dlc release dates then yeah December could be the month. Dlc 1 and 2 were released 3 months apart iirc
 
Alovon11 said:
Like, if Nate's "March" mention is accurate, considering the venue and context of that, it'd make little sense to mention to what is seemingly a dev-focused conference anything other than either a Release Window, Gold Master Advertising Window, or at absolute stretch, a Switch 2 Presentation Deadline.

Why would developers, ones who either don't have Devkits, or just got them in the last month at Gamescom be told about something like the reveal, a reveal which Nintendo doesn't likely want devs fighting over marketing space for it? (Especially considering the only third-party title in the Switch's reveal was Skyrim)

So assuming Nate is correct about March, then that would only really leave
  • A Switch 2 Presentation as a "If you want your games to be shown off, make sure they have a major slice ready by March where we have our Switch 2 Presentation".
  • A window to make sure games are golden within to make for the launch of the system
  • The actual release date
Primarily because these are developers, not marketing teams that met up apparently.
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NBA was also in the Switch reveal.
 
Hocot8 said:
everyone has their biases and own interpretation of things we read and see.

Prolly cause recent noise is swinging to H1 but obviously H2 is very possible lol.

It's releasing by the end of March. It's impossible to know when it's probably going to be released. If you want to use Sw/sh dlc release dates then yeah December could be the month. Dlc 1 and 2 were released 3 months apart iirc
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I'm almost certain people will still use the Pokemon leak as credible when SV DLC2 launches in December with the Switch 2 still not shown.
 
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