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ERezaSwitch said:
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I guess we will finally see if he is credible at all next week...
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Bad news. That “customer” of Samsung’s microSD Express cards might be AYANEO. This is from the specs of upcoming AYANEO Slide:

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Granted, AYANEO is probably not large enough of a client for Samsung to push a new card format, however Samsung might be banking on more handheld PCs adopting the microSD Express. Either way, it does not preclude Nintendo from featuring microSD Express on the Switch 2, but it’s far from certain.
 
fwd-bwd said:
Bad news. That “customer” of Samsung’s microSD Express cards might be AYANEO. This is from the specs of upcoming AYANEO Slide:

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Granted, AYANEO is probably not large enough of a client for Samsung to push a new card format, however Samsung might be banking on more handheld PCs adopting the microSD Express. Either way, it does not preclude Nintendo from featuring microSD Express on the Switch 2, but it’s far from certain.
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This presentation though sounds like the AyaNeo Slide is adopting a standard that's been around since 2018/2019, vs the Samsung press release that reads like this below

"For the first time in the industry, Samsung introduced a new high-performance microSD card based on the SD Express interface. The development was the result of a successful collaboration with a customer to create a custom product."

The above reads like this new product happened after they created a custom product for a customer. (Which reminds me of that LinkedIn profile awhile back from an employee working on a new gamecard project) I will try and repost it if possible...



This was on the front page of summary notes, but the LinkedIn profile has been removed (probably because it shares to much information)

[19 September 2023 → LinkedIn via FamiBoards: A person who's formerly a Samsung SDS senior software engineer from July - September 2022 mentioned collaborating with Samsung DSR on a test case development for the eMMC protocol and a host level verification for a Nintendo Game Card project.]
 
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NineTailSage said:
This presentation though sounds like the AyaNeo Slide is adopting a standard that's been around since 2018/2019, vs the Samsung press release that reads like this below

"For the first time in the industry, Samsung introduced a new high-performance microSD card based on the SD Express interface. The development was the result of a successful collaboration with a customer to create a custom product."
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My question is why did AyaNeo advertise that the AyaNeo Slide supports a lower max sequential read speed (700 MB/s) than what the SD Association advertises that the microSD Express is capable of (up to 985 MB/s)?
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Reads like this new product happened after they created a custom product for a customer. (Which reminds me of that LinkedIn profile awhile back from an employee working on a new gamecard project) I will try and repost it if possible...
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RedSpring said:
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Found this which could be interesting. Screenshot so the person doesn't get spammed. A big UFS experience person. Section of interest is the Samsung Software Engineer section. Don't know what the terminology meant but a Nintendo game card project 2022 is probably next gen related. I don't think Samsung was involved for game card in the Nintendo Switch so this is a weird project. Nintendo is probably sticking with Macronix for the game card so what could Samsung involvement be?

Edit: The 'Nand flash memory card verification with program execution using agile' text under Samsung Semiconductor is also interesting. It matches with the About section which defined Nand flash memory as UFS. Could Nand flash memory card be about UFS card?

Since I'm biased, I take this as confusing expansion card for Nintendo as game card for Nintendo and total confirmation that Nintendo is planning to use UFS in the next Switch.
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Dakhil said:
My question is why did AyaNeo advertise that the AyaNeo Slide supports a lower max sequential read speed (700 MB/s) than what the SD Association advertises that the microSD Express is capable of (up to 985 MB/s)?



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Thanks for finding this and yeah its a bit weird that they would only list max speed as that,
I wonder if they are just being safe, but added performance would definitely look better overall...
 
PokéPersona said:
People immediately assuming the worst when it comes to hardware from this extremely vague statement even though a common sentiment after Gamescom was the impressiveness of the tech demo. Have a little faith y'all.
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To be fair, that was the last time we received positive news related to the hardware. It's all been downhill from there
 
fwd-bwd said:
Bad news. That “customer” of Samsung’s microSD Express cards might be AYANEO. This is from the specs of upcoming AYANEO Slide:

Granted, AYANEO is probably not large enough of a client for Samsung to push a new card format, however Samsung might be banking on more handheld PCs adopting the microSD Express. Either way, it does not preclude Nintendo from featuring microSD Express on the Switch 2, but it’s far from certain.
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Good news, if the burgeoning handheld PC market reinvigorates fast, expandable storage. Even if Nintendo doesn't go with microSD Express at launch, this is the company that added ethernet in the OLED dock. It seems entirely possible that Nintendo could add support in a revision if the format suddenly has legs.

I'm increasingly of the opinion that Samsung is Nintendo's "other" technology partner - Samsung for RAM/screen/storage/game cards, and very possibly /node. Samsung clearly intends these cards to be widely available, whoever the original customer was. I doubt Nintendo was unaware that these cards were coming, and if they skipped microSD Express, it was either due to timing or Nintendo not feeling like extra fast expansion storage was that important.
 


Last time this guy run PC games on Switch, now he do the same thing but on powerful Android phone. And it's quite impressive even with all kinds of limitations and translation layers and such.

I believe the next Switch can be quite awesome in terms of what it can do, though expectation needs to be managed because this is Nintendo after all. I just hope Nintendo don't go the route of releasing underpowered stuff like the Wii and Wii U and just dissmissed that as "we don't care about graphics or performance"
 
oldpuck said:
Good news, if the burgeoning handheld PC market reinvigorates fast, expandable storage. Even if Nintendo doesn't go with microSD Express at launch, this is the company that added ethernet in the OLED dock. It seems entirely possible that Nintendo could add support in a revision if the format suddenly has legs.

I'm increasingly of the opinion that Samsung is Nintendo's "other" technology partner - Samsung for RAM/screen/storage/game cards, and very possibly /node. Samsung clearly intends these cards to be widely available, whoever the original customer was. I doubt Nintendo was unaware that these cards were coming, and if they skipped microSD Express, it was either due to timing or Nintendo not feeling like extra fast expansion storage was that important.
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Also important that we can expect 256-500 Gb of storage on the switch 2 which would be more than enough for first party titles. Like I don’t see Nintendo having 50-100 GB games. I’m in the belief the maximum will be 30 GB for first party, but it’s third party that I’m slightly worried about, especially with games like COD.

So Nintendo skipping expressmicroSD in the beginning will not be the end of the world, but I don’t see why Nintendo won’t have support with ExpressSD card in launch, since the switch 2 would have a bigger install base then the pc handheld and I can see Samsung trying to have it be compatible in launch or convince Nintendo.

But quote me if wrong.
 
PokéPersona said:
People immediately assuming the worst when it comes to hardware from this extremely vague statement even though a common sentiment after Gamescom was the impressiveness of the tech demo. Have a little faith y'all.
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Yeah, this is as much of a nothing comment as Nash's. There's always trade-offs to everything.
 
The only thing I’m sure about is that the Switch 2 will be a significant upgrade from the OG Switch, even taking into consideration that Nintendo’s prime focus will be good battery life and a price point that’s both accessible and gives them a profit.

All the dooming makes it go as if the successor will be a simple transition rather than something more groundbreaking
 
TomNookYankees said:
4N dream keeps moving further and further away......
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I have faith we’ll get a 4N, if not. Then I’ll start doom posting.

Sadly the only way we’ll know if it’ll be 4N is either from a leak or when the switch 2 launches. Like if Nvidia and Nintendo are able to use 8NM without compromising performance then it would be an engineering marvel. From what I’ve heard other people mention.
 
NineTailSage said:
This presentation though sounds like the AyaNeo Slide is adopting a standard that's been around since 2018/2019, vs the Samsung press release that reads like this below

"For the first time in the industry, Samsung introduced a new high-performance microSD card based on the SD Express interface. The development was the result of a successful collaboration with a customer to create a custom product."

The above reads like this new product happened after they created a custom product for a customer. (Which reminds me of that LinkedIn profile awhile back from an employee working on a new gamecard project) I will try and repost it if possible...



This was on the front page of summary notes, but the LinkedIn profile has been removed (probably because it shares to much information)

[19 September 2023 → LinkedIn via FamiBoards: A person who's formerly a Samsung SDS senior software engineer from July - September 2022 mentioned collaborating with Samsung DSR on a test case development for the eMMC protocol and a host level verification for a Nintendo Game Card project.]
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My reading (can be very wrong) of the Samsung PR is that their cards will be the first mass-produced microSD Express product, not that they are the first to adopt the new SD 9.1 standard. The product only support the SD 7.0 speed (rated at 800MB/s, below the theoretical limit 985MB/s of SD 7.0). As for the Samsung engineer’s LinkedIn profile, IMHO it seems more likely regarding the next gen Game Card (eMMC protocol) than the microSD Express card (PCIe/NVMe).

Dakhil said:
My question is why did AyaNeo advertise that the AyaNeo Slide supports a lower max sequential read speed (700 MB/s) than what the SD Association advertises that the microSD Express is capable of (up to 985 MB/s)?
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The lowered max speed could be due to thermal/power considerations, or there could be some system bottleneck. Switch itself doesn’t go beyond 95MB/s (officially, but I never saw a benchmark above 92MB/s on a hacked Switch), even though the theoretical maximum is 104MB/s.
 
ziggyrivers said:
The only thing I’m sure about is that the Switch 2 will be a significant upgrade from the OG Switch, even taking into consideration that Nintendo’s prime focus will be good battery life and a price point that’s both accessible and gives them a profit.

All the dooming makes it go as if the successor will be a simple transition rather than something more groundbreaking
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I mean, if they care about battery life 8 nm 12sm is not an option.

Edit: Unless the engineers are magicians.
 
Quangcute03 said:


Last time this guy run PC games on Switch, now he do the same thing but on powerful Android phone. And it's quite impressive even with all kinds of limitations and translation layers and such.

I believe the next Switch can be quite awesome in terms of what it can do, though expectation needs to be managed because this is Nintendo after all. I just hope Nintendo don't go the route of releasing underpowered stuff like the Wii and Wii U and just dissmissed that as "we don't care about graphics or performance"
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this does show how the X Elite is already handling Windows games well

 
Here’s a wish/hope for the hardware: I want the controllers to have an aux port.

They could put an ox port on the next-gen Joy-Cons so that way whether you’re playing it on the TV or handheld you can use headphones. Also, of course on a new Pro controller too.
 
Hermii said:
People have been saying Qualcomm GPUs are not good for console style games etc. This seems to disprove that.
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Yeah, though I read somewhere that the thought of Adreno GPU not good for high-end games, complex AAA experiences is because of their GPU architecture shenanigans as well as maybe the software stack is not very good yet.

The SD8G3 GPU is rated as high as somewhere around 5TFLOPS of FP32 compute performance, yet even with the highest score in Geekbench 6 compute benchmark it is behind the A17 Pro GPU, which is believe to have around 2.1 TFLOPS FP32. Something doesn't add up here
 
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Hermii said:
People have been saying Qualcomm GPUs are not good for console style games etc. This seems to disprove that.
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people making emulators and whatnot says mobile gpus are lacking in feature sets and have terrible documentation, which makes getting the most out of the gpu difficult. so it's probably less the raw horsepower and more general support
 
And my thought about Switch 2 specs, is that, Nintendo seems to have change their philosophy or at least their mindset when it comes to deciding hardware specifications for their platform. Up until the Switch, Nintendo take on hardware specs is basically "outdated cheap old stuff that you may find in your warehouse". The Wii, Wii U is not only underpowered, but it's feature set is also behind what consoles/PCs offer at the time of their release. And that's true for their handheld like 3DS compared to mobile phones at that time. The Switch, while is significantly weaker than Gen8 consoles, is a pretty performance handheld, and more importantly, it's architecture is very modern, allowing it to running modern rendering techniques/engines... T239 is probably take a step even further, with what seems to be all of current gen feature set + dedicated machine learning hardware for upscaling... + dedicated hardware decompression block + etc...
 
ziggyrivers said:
By “simple” I meant a small upgrade, like just going from 720p to 1080p with no 4k at all.
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Resolutions aren't a reliable factor to determine power increases in any hardware. You're going to see those resolutions internally the vast majority of the time, what's gonna be 4K will be the output resolution and only DLSS is needed for that.
 
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