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Here’s a Vid on the Tegra ORIN Nano:
-1024 CUDA cores/8SMs enabled @ 625MHz (means 1.28TFLOPs)
-32Tensor Cores
-8Ray Tracing cores
-6 A78 CPU cores @ 1.5GHz
-8GB of LPDDR5 RAM @ 68GB/s


Interesting bits for what most of you care about:
-handles 4K60 video playback really well on chromium browser and over Wi-Fi.
-Handles PS2 Gran Turismo 4 at 3.5x the resolution with constant 60FPS
-Handles PS2 God of War at 3x the resolution and stays at 60FPS, would dip if at 3.5x resolution.


-Handles Wii Tatsunoko vs Capcom at 1080p using Vulkan backend with very few drops when loading something new. Not a difficult game to emulate though.
-Handles GameCube’s F-Zero GX “Fire Field” at 1080p using the Vulkan Backend (is one of the hardest tracks to emulate on low end hardware) with 60FPS no drops. Does drop a bit when using OGL.
 
Brubi said:
Do you think Nintendo will consider a RAM Bump because of what happened to TOTK?
Do make it harder to ROM dump the game that easy. I personally think they thought about that :)
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The amount of RAM doesn't have anything to do with how easy it is to dump carts. The thing that will help is dropping support for the launch Switch which has an unpatchable vulnerability in the boot ROM. Should be a while before any exclusives for the new hardware get dumped.
 
I feel this could be an interesting week. Peace and love to everyone in here.
 
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TomNookYankees said:
At the very least the ROM dumps guarantee that they will use a new cartridge shape for Drake. They might try to make the cartridge slot backwards compatible with switch carts but if they can’t I wouldn’t be surprised if they instead make the BC digital only.
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I would be very surprised. That wouldn't even count as BC in my books.
 
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Here’s a Vid on the Tegra ORIN Nano:
-1024 CUDA cores/8SMs enabled @ 625MHz (means 1.28TFLOPs)
-32Tensor Cores
-8Ray Tracing cores
-6 A78 CPU cores @ 1.5GHz
-8GB of LPDDR5 RAM @ 68GB/s


Interesting bits for what most of you care about:
-handles 4K60 video playback really well on chromium browser and over Wi-Fi.
-Handles PS2 Gran Turismo 4 at 3.5x the resolution with constant 60FPS
-Handles PS2 God of War at 3x the resolution and stays at 60FPS, would dip if at 3.5x resolution.


-Handles Wii Tatsunoko vs Capcom at 1080p using Vulkan backend with very few drops when loading something new. Not a difficult game to emulate though.
-Handles GameCube’s F-Zero GX “Fire Field” at 1080p using the Vulkan Backend (is one of the hardest tracks to emulate on low end hardware) with 60FPS no drops. Does drop a bit when using OGL.
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This makes me drool at the prospect of a new Shield TV that uses binned Drake chips. It's my go to emulation box so I'm dying for an upgrade.
 
Pokemaniac said:
The amount of RAM doesn't have anything to do with how easy it is to dump carts. The thing that will help is dropping support for the launch Switch which has an unpatchable vulnerability in the boot ROM. Should be a while before any exclusives for the new hardware get dumped.
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Roms can be dumped without jailbreak. Making use of it though would require one. If the next switch is several times powerful than the current one, we won't see emulation for a long while.
 
I don't expect more than 256GB of internal memory, more realistically 128GB.

Memory for portable devices costs more anyway and is always low in the end 😅
Why increase the final price when you will be forced to buy external storage anyway?

Also for this reason I don't see the abandonment of micro SD possible, with just over 100€ I got a 1TB memory... I don't know what prices other media have.
 
ertaboy356b said:
Roms can be dumped without jailbreak. Making use of it though would require one. If the next switch is several times powerful than the current one, we won't see emulation for a long while.
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In principle, you could dump the carts without otherwise compromising the system's security, but those dumps would be encrypted and useless. A usable dump requires either extracting the decryption key or performing the dump via a compromised system. In practice, the latter tends to be the approach people go with in order to take advantage of the hardware already present for interfacing with the cartridge (or other physical medium), since even just reading the encrypted data requires custom hardware.
 
In regards to emulation, I could see the situation impacting the crossgen period in terms of how long and how wide ranging it is. At this point it's been pretty consistent that games are getting leaked early and emulated well ahead of release.
 
When it was first posted it was theorized that it Midnight Sun's was cancelled cause Drake is farther off than the developer expected. Now on the next page it's cause it's being moved to Drake this year.

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Makes me smile.
 
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Green_Meeple said:
Well if it had a Switch version I would have bought it. Cue the there are dozens of us gif
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I guess I could see if my laptop can run it, or maybe get it for PS4 when that comes out.

Two of my favorite things are Marvel comics ephemera and Slay the Spire, and I really enjoyed the first new XCOM. This was the game for me, and the Switch form factor would have been perfect. I'm legit kinda bummed.
 
Bonejack said:
It's 101 marketing. Now that we're all hyped for Zelda, running out buying it, they wait some time and then, boom, here's TotK in DLSS's 4k on ReDraketed, coming out this holiday season! (Or March 2024)
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If they announce Switch 2 in June/July I feel like they won't mention Zelda at all. Instead they will focus on the next Mario game as well as Metroid Prime 4. However I do still think we will get a Zelda TotK for Switch 2 launch but that will get revealed only 2 months before Switch 2 release. So if Switch 2 is releasing November 2023, they will announce Zelda TotK Switch 2 port in September along with TotK DLC. Or if Switch 2 releases in March 2024 then we will get a January 2024 Zelda TotK Switch 2 port announcement.
 
Dizzle said:
I guess I could see if my laptop can run it, or maybe get it for PS4 when that comes out.

Two of my favorite things are Marvel comics ephemera and Slay the Spire, and I really enjoyed the first new XCOM. This was the game for me, and the Switch form factor would have been perfect. I'm legit kinda bummed.
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Check can you run it website or how the PS4 version comes out, it will be not in you favorite form factor, but people say the game is actually good, so maybe worth it?
In my case, switch is the only game-running thing I have, so it's not taking a stand or preferred form factor when I say "no Switch no buy".
 
I didn’t realise Midnight Suns had bombed so badly. I bought it on PS5 and thought it was cool enough, although admittedly I put it on hold after a few sessions and have yet to return.
 
Midnight Suns is ok, but it never really quite hit with me. Mainly it felt like the combat and mechanics weren't really all that fun, and doesn't really offer much in the way of increased complexity or variety as the campaign goes on. A lot of time was spent on The Abbey and related content, but that was mediocre overall.

Nothing bad per se, but there's nothing in the game you can hang your hat on as being truly great either. Doesn't help that the whole game is surrounded by a bunch of stupid paid DLC/lootbox style concepts just to get different outfits for your team.
 
kalosmani said:
If they announce Switch 2 in June/July I feel like they won't mention Zelda at all. Instead they will focus on the next Mario game as well as Metroid Prime 4. However I do still think we will get a Zelda TotK for Switch 2 launch but that will get revealed only 2 months before Switch 2 release. So if Switch 2 is releasing November 2023, they will announce Zelda TotK Switch 2 port in September along with TotK DLC. Or if Switch 2 releases in March 2024 then we will get a January 2024 Zelda TotK Switch 2 port announcement.
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Port? You mean next-gen patch.

As for when it would be announced, nah, absolutely the day of, they'll at least show it off. TOTK will continue to sell during the holiday period and for much time after that. It may not be a graphical blow your socks off experience but it's still part of the Switch identity and a great way to show off backwards compatibility and next gen patch enhancements.
 
kalosmani said:
If they announce Switch 2 in June/July I feel like they won't mention Zelda at all. Instead they will focus on the next Mario game as well as Metroid Prime 4. However I do still think we will get a Zelda TotK for Switch 2 launch but that will get revealed only 2 months before Switch 2 release. So if Switch 2 is releasing November 2023, they will announce Zelda TotK Switch 2 port in September along with TotK DLC. Or if Switch 2 releases in March 2024 then we will get a January 2024 Zelda TotK Switch 2 port announcement.
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If the Successor is a more powerful Switch, then I presume the Marketing will be centered on:
• Features
• Software

And more importantly: differentiation. Why is it better than the Switch?
• It’s getting exclusive software, like 3D Mario
• Pastgen titles run better

TOTK doesn’t have to be the center of Drake’s Marketing, but it can be part of it
 
Concernt said:
A sensor bar is not the answer.
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I didn't say it was...?

Concernt said:
It wouldn't need perfect, premium VR grade inside-out. Like. You realise Wii Remote already had to do computer vision, back in 2006?

All it needs is that level of accuracy, which people seem to keep insisting was good enough. We've come a long away since 2006. Even the Joy-Con R as it exists now does some computer vision processing AND passes the live video to the console.
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I didn't know the joy-con was capable of processing anything; I thought it would only send the data to the console so it could do the processing (and that would only work because it is a really small data).

Anyway, maybe they can make something cheap only for an accurate pointer (what maybe was the context of the answer you gave to the other user), but personally, I want much more. That's why I said "SLAM". That's the level of motion controls I would like for the next console (not only to have better aiming on splatoon, but also to have much better and deeper experiences in games like switch sports, mario party, "zelda skyward" (I mean something new based on these mechanics), etc), and for that, you need much more than what nintendo has done so far.

But I hope your enthusiasm is right (even though I think it's not)
 
NateDrake said:
Hogwarts remains in active development and has been making fine progress on Switch.

The cancellation of Midnight Suns for Switch was circulating last yr soon after the game bombed.
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It's been out since last year?????
 
The power leap over the original is to be expected. What would really seal the deal for me would be concaved Hall Effect joycons on a 1080p OLED screen.
 
kalosmani said:
If they announce Switch 2 in June/July I feel like they won't mention Zelda at all. Instead they will focus on the next Mario game as well as Metroid Prime 4. However I do still think we will get a Zelda TotK for Switch 2 launch but that will get revealed only 2 months before Switch 2 release. So if Switch 2 is releasing November 2023, they will announce Zelda TotK Switch 2 port in September along with TotK DLC. Or if Switch 2 releases in March 2024 then we will get a January 2024 Zelda TotK Switch 2 port announcement.
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Possible, but I doubt it. Zelda TotK might sell north of 15 million units this month. People will still be in the thick of it next month, enjoying the crap out of TotK. So I see them capitalizing on this enthusiasm by announcing a 4K 60fps build/patch of the game for Redacted. This is basically communicating with a massive amount of people who are currently engaged with this amazing game and communicating to them that if they purchase the new model, they will get to replay this masterpiece in 4K 60fps. The big first party title for the launch of Redacted will most likely be a 3D Mario, but I see an upgraded Zelda TotK being the one two punch to ensure as many Nintendo fans as possible are very excited to get their hands on their new hardware. Not every Zelda fan is a big Mario fan and vice versa, but a crap load of Nintendo fans are at the very least are big fans of one of the two games. By having both Zelda and Mario there on day one pushing the new hardware, I'm not sure they need much else to keep it sold out for months.
 
Goodtwin said:
Possible, but I doubt it. Zelda TotK might sell north of 15 million units this month. People will still be in the thick of it next month, enjoying the crap out of TotK. So I see them capitalizing on this enthusiasm by announcing a 4K 60fps build/patch of the game for Redacted. This is basically communicating with a massive amount of people who are currently engaged with this amazing game and communicating to them that if they purchase the new model, they will get to replay this masterpiece in 4K 60fps. The big first party title for the launch of Redacted will most likely be a 3D Mario, but I see an upgraded Zelda TotK being the one two punch to ensure as many Nintendo fans as possible are very excited to get their hands on their new hardware. Not every Zelda fan is a big Mario fan and vice versa, but a crap load of Nintendo fans are at the very least are big fans of one of the two games. By having both Zelda and Mario there on day one pushing the new hardware, I'm not sure they need much else to keep it sold out for months.
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i dont believe Nintendo will anounce a port of Tears of the Kingdom for it next hardware, the maximum they can do is anoucing that Tears of the Kingdom will be patched with 4K, 60fps patch on Nintendo next hardware
 
eye0h said:


15 days ago:



My headcanon neurons are firing again...

If they cancel that Hogwarts Legacy port and I might be back in team 2023 sooner than I thought lol
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maybe they decided istead to release Hogwarts Legacy on Switch sucessor, at the point, we should see at least a teaser how the port of Hogwarts Legacy look on Switch, given that the game is suposed to release in june
 
Giancarlo said:
maybe they decided istead to release Hogwarts Legacy on Switch sucessor, at the point, we should see at least a teaser how the port of Hogwarts Legacy look on Switch, given that the game is suposed to release in june
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It says 25 of july (at least in all major Polish shops)
 
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kalosmani said:
If they announce Switch 2 in June/July I feel like they won't mention Zelda at all. Instead they will focus on the next Mario game as well as Metroid Prime 4. However I do still think we will get a Zelda TotK for Switch 2 launch but that will get revealed only 2 months before Switch 2 release. So if Switch 2 is releasing November 2023, they will announce Zelda TotK Switch 2 port in September along with TotK DLC. Or if Switch 2 releases in March 2024 then we will get a January 2024 Zelda TotK Switch 2 port announcement.
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If Prime 4 is being shown off this summer I doubt it will be shown as a Switch 2 game. I assume there would have been some leaks about a Switch 2 version by now if that were the case considering how long before announcement the Prime Remaster info leaked.
 
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I don't get why the general sentiment seems to be that Switch games will get performance patches and things to run better on the successor. That seems antithetical to how Nintendo manages their products. From my observation they tend to be very careful about their messaging and value propositions, so to release say TotK in May and then make that offering the inferior version less than a year later by announcing a 4K patch or something, just seems un-Nintendo to me. The people who bought the experience at launch will very quickly have it devalued with no warning at the time of their purchase.
 
Giancarlo said:
maybe they decided istead to release Hogwarts Legacy on Switch sucessor, at the point, we should see at least a teaser how the port of Hogwarts Legacy look on Switch, given that the game is suposed to release in june
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Unless a different studio is handling such a port, the only active Nintendo-bound version of HL is for Switch.
 
Chaotic Neutral said:
I didn’t realise Midnight Suns had bombed so badly. I bought it on PS5 and thought it was cool enough, although admittedly I put it on hold after a few sessions and have yet to return.
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It was actually so bad, that they made the producer Garth DeAngelis leaving the company after 14 years. He was the person behind the X-Com comeback and because Midnight Sun bombed, all hope for a new X-Com died with it. No surprise that they now announced officially the cancellation (at i guess the annual shareholder meeting). They anyway just produced it because the X-Com port sold OK to rectify it, when they still hoped that it is not a bomb.

ziggyrivers said:
Nintendo is selling a limited edition Zelda themed OLED. They had this in inventory since months ago. Keeping inventory has its costs. They’re not gonna announce a successor console days before their biggest title releases. That has a plethora of negative consequences, like people cancelling Zelda OLED pre-orders and/or already existing owners upgrading to another model. They’re being cautious. They want TOTK to have the best software-hardware attach rate they can get from it.
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Never overestimate the reaction of normal users. People who waited SO long for their first Switch anyway won't bother now, if a successor is announced. But more important, no normal customer will ever hear of the announcement at a shareholder meeting. No advertisement - no one will know. Of course hardcore fans will know, so people who frequently gets gaming news. But its likely they already gave Nintendo their fair share before (and will continue by buying games like Zelda). Of course its possible that they are now not buying anymore the OLED, but most people who wanted to buy the Zelda OLED anyway have already one and just want a nicer looking one. But normal people wont know, and even if they hear about it, it wont stop them from buying anything. Even if, a price reduction should enable enough people "in the know", because they waited for a price reduction so long, why stop now, just because a new console comes.
Of course sales goes down, but not as drastical as you might think. Most likely group of missed sales are users who waits for the new system (and becomes day 1 buyer) because their old switch is about to die.
 
Pennington said:
I don't get why the general sentiment seems to be that Switch games will get performance patches and things to run better on the successor. That seems antithetical to how Nintendo manages their products. From my observation they tend to be very careful about their messaging and value propositions, so to release say TotK in May and then make that offering the inferior version less than a year later by announcing a 4K patch or something, just seems un-Nintendo to me. The people who bought the experience at launch will very quickly have it devalued with no warning at the time of their purchase.
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Mmm, I don’t agree with that last line especially in this switch era and patches/updates that get dropped for many games from Nintendo.


As for whether it is very Nintendo or not, that remains to be seen :p
 
Pennington said:
I don't get why the general sentiment seems to be that Switch games will get performance patches and things to run better on the successor. That seems antithetical to how Nintendo manages their products. From my observation they tend to be very careful about their messaging and value propositions, so to release say TotK in May and then make that offering the inferior version less than a year later by announcing a 4K patch or something, just seems un-Nintendo to me. The people who bought the experience at launch will very quickly have it devalued with no warning at the time of their purchase.
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It’s no different than what happened with Breath of the Wild on Switch (along with many re-releases from Wii U era). It was 900p on Switch and 720p on Wii U. 4K without any meaningful other changes is the same category of improvement. The original will still be a competent, feature complete release. They won’t be retroactively ruining the original game, they’ll just be demonstrating the value of a new platform.
 
karmitt said:
It’s no different than what happened with Breath of the Wild on Switch (along with many re-releases from Wii U era). It was 900p on Switch and 720p on Wii U. 4K without any meaningful other changes is the same category of improvement. The original will still be a competent, feature complete release. They won’t be retroactively ruining the original game, they’ll just be demonstrating the value of a new platform.
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It's completely different from Zelda BotW as both versions released around the same time. The best example to use if Last of Us PS3 and Last of Us Remastered for PS4. Now imagine if they announced Last of Us Remastered 2 months after Last of Us PS3 releases. That wouldn't make sense, this is why I think Zelda TotK remastered won't be revealed if the Switch 2 is revealed in June/July. Zelda TotK Remastered will be announced alongside a Zelda TotK DLC announcement 3 months from now at the earliest. I think the focus with the Switch 2 will be on new games rather than ports.

Hell I can even see Zelda TotK remaster not getting a Switch 2 launch release if it's fall 2023 and instead released in May 2024 as a GotY Remaster Edition. Switch 2 will be sold out anyways and a later Zelda port will give the Switch 2 an additional boost in sales 6 months after release.
 
Pennington said:
I don't get why the general sentiment seems to be that Switch games will get performance patches and things to run better on the successor. That seems antithetical to how Nintendo manages their products. From my observation they tend to be very careful about their messaging and value propositions, so to release say TotK in May and then make that offering the inferior version less than a year later by announcing a 4K patch or something, just seems un-Nintendo to me. The people who bought the experience at launch will very quickly have it devalued with no warning at the time of their purchase.
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long tail games benefit from having enhancement patches. Tears of the Kingdom ain't getting a successor anytime soon. by the time DLC drops, Drake will probably be announced as well. so you have to incentivize people playing it on new hardware as well as reward people for playing it on new hardware.
 
kalosmani said:
It's completely different from Zelda BotW as both versions released around the same time. The best example to use if Last of Us PS3 and Last of Us Remastered for PS4. Now imagine if they announced Last of Us Remastered 2 months after Last of Us PS3 releases. That wouldn't make sense, this is why I think Zelda TotK remastered won't be revealed if the Switch 2 is revealed in June/July. Zelda TotK Remastered will be announced alongside a Zelda TotK DLC announcement 3 months from now at the earliest. I think the focus with the Switch 2 will be on new games rather than ports.

Hell I can even see Zelda TotK remaster not getting a Switch 2 launch release if it's fall 2023 and instead released in May 2024 as a GotY Remaster Edition. Switch 2 will be sold out anyways and a later Zelda port will give the Switch 2 an additional boost in sales 6 months after release.
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Who said anything about 'remastered'? If you buy a PC game on your old PC and it runs a solid 1080p 30, and then you buy a new PC and that same game runs at 4K 60, it's not been 'remastered'. It just runs better.

It would be shocking if the next system is actually a Switch 2 and doesn't run select old games better. We don't really have examples of previous generations where consoles could have run backwards compatible games better, so there's little precedent either way. Wii used GCN hardware for emulation, I think Wii U was the same (?), and it's kind of pointless to look further back than that. New 3DS did run some 3DS games better I think - that might be it?

ILikeFeet said:
long tail games benefit from having enhancement patches. Tears of the Kingdom ain't getting a successor anytime soon. by the time DLC drops, Drake will probably be announced as well. so you have to incentivize people playing it on new hardware as well as reward people for playing it on new hardware.
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I'm thinking the same thing. They'd only be extending the tail of a game like Tears that wouldn't normally benefit from having the entire life of the console to sell. If it's as good of a game as I'm hoping, it'd be an obvious candidate for a soft re-launch with Drake + DLC.
 
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invwar said:
It was actually so bad, that they made the producer Garth DeAngelis leaving the company after 14 years. He was the person behind the X-Com comeback and because Midnight Sun bombed, all hope for a new X-Com died with it. No surprise that they now announced officially the cancellation (at i guess the annual shareholder meeting). They anyway just produced it because the X-Com port sold OK to rectify it, when they still hoped that it is not a bomb.
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This is not accurate at all. XCOM EU, 2 and Chimera Squad all sold very well, and the director for reasons unrelated to the game's bombing. XCOM 3 is basically guaranteed to happen, even with someone else in charge of it
 
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