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Is it really because my nephew wanted the game but I remember hearing how rough the game was so I said it wasn't worth it
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I think if we don't see the cloud versions of those "lost miracle ports", Midnight Suns, Kingdom Come, Evil Dead and RoboCop then it's safely assume they're successor bound. I don't think they'd cancel and abandon like that, if the port is not viable then they'll definitely go for Cloud route, even Take Two.
Seeing another report come out with Journalists citing sources for a Q4 2024 PS5 Pro makes me wish we could get sooomething for the next Switch. It's crazy that there's more smoke around a PS5 midgen than the next gen switch. But hopefully that's just bc Nintendo keeps secrets much tighter than Sony
Midnight Suns is all but confirmed dead. it's not a game like Soul Hackers 2 which had a theoretical audience on Switch to help it.
maybe Drake was cancelled and Nintendo plans on keeping switch for another 7 years
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Wait Midnight Suns bombed?
I didn't even know it was out yet.
I didn't even know it was out yet.
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I am Team 2023.
But I'm also "Team 2027", in a way. I think Nintendo WILL support Nintendo Switch, in some way, for a full 10 years. I think a lot of smaller titles, remasters, remakes, and 2D or family focussed titles will be cross gen for several years. 4 years of cross gen is not entirely absurd. For as long as software sells on Switch, software that can run on Switch, will be brought to Switch, as far as Nintendo's developers are concerned anyway.
But I'm also "Team 2027", in a way. I think Nintendo WILL support Nintendo Switch, in some way, for a full 10 years. I think a lot of smaller titles, remasters, remakes, and 2D or family focussed titles will be cross gen for several years. 4 years of cross gen is not entirely absurd. For as long as software sells on Switch, software that can run on Switch, will be brought to Switch, as far as Nintendo's developers are concerned anyway.
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Didn't smaller releases continue on PS2 for years after PS3 released? I could definitely see Switch being similar, especially since the point of the system is having games able to flex between different hardware profiles.
I'm Team2023 for Drake, but I'm still TeamDecade for Switch support.
they do for all systems to an extent. Switch, for indies, can be supported for quite a long time
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Given the near inevitability of backwards compatibility and the high chance of next gen patches (DataPatch), I think Nvidia has probably already developed a "smooth transition" SDK, like Xbox's GDK providing Xbox One|S|X, Series X|S and Windows 10|11 development all in one. I think it is likely, though not certain, that NVN2's SDK is an SDK for both T239 and Tegra X1 based Nintendo Switch systems.
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Because most people expect cross-gen, and if your premium system has no/few exclusives, the it needs “enhanced” games in order to have value for its premium cost.
I think it’s possible that Nintendo goes clean break to REDACTED, with BC support but no enhancements of old games. In fact, I lean that way. But if you expect cross-gen, you just about have to expect enhanced games.
It was the entire premise of the New 3DS, they did it with the GameBoy Color and the GameBoy Advance.
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Going back to the Jetson Orin Nano, GCN and Wii NSO will be superb for it.
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Orin Nano looks to be doing well and it's only 2/3 of a Drake at most, on a worse process node (8nm, it's a binned Orin right?). bodes well for T239
GB games ran exactly the same on GBA as on a GBC, but they could detect what hardware they were running on and swap in GBA optimized color palettes or occasionally (completely arbitrary) bonus features.
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BotW was different. Wii U and Switch versions released at the same time and were advertised beforehand, so Nintendo had made it so you knew the options and could choose. This time around it's only on Switch, there is no official word of other versions.
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The big Nintendo exclusives will be, as they always are, a key factor in the success of the next hardware. So I don't believe at all in a major cross-gen period as is the case with Playstation and Xbox at the moment, except in exceptional situations such as shortages, which is what has motivated the competition's adjustments in this regard.
Totk, like Metroid Prime 4, will be released on Switch 1 simply because that's the machine they've been planned for from the start. I don't believe for a second that a new 3D Mario, a new Mario Kart, or even some future 2D games (Zelda, Metroid, even maybe a new DK) are not reserved for the valuation of their new hardware. Not just on a technical basis, but primarily on the basis of "if you want to play our new games, buy our new hardware".
I think Game Cube remasters (the Zelda, Metroid Prime, maybe things like F-Zero or Starfox) or even 3DS remasters (Kid Icarus Uprising, Samus Return, maybe the first two Luigi's Mansion) will be able to continue to feed the Switch 1's large user base, but don't confuse "cross-gen period" with "keeping the previous console alive".
The only exception I can see, as a hypothetical other big cross-gen release, because of the context of the movie, and because there hasn't actually been any new content on Switch about it, would be 2D Mario.
Totk, like Metroid Prime 4, will be released on Switch 1 simply because that's the machine they've been planned for from the start. I don't believe for a second that a new 3D Mario, a new Mario Kart, or even some future 2D games (Zelda, Metroid, even maybe a new DK) are not reserved for the valuation of their new hardware. Not just on a technical basis, but primarily on the basis of "if you want to play our new games, buy our new hardware".
I think Game Cube remasters (the Zelda, Metroid Prime, maybe things like F-Zero or Starfox) or even 3DS remasters (Kid Icarus Uprising, Samus Return, maybe the first two Luigi's Mansion) will be able to continue to feed the Switch 1's large user base, but don't confuse "cross-gen period" with "keeping the previous console alive".
The only exception I can see, as a hypothetical other big cross-gen release, because of the context of the movie, and because there hasn't actually been any new content on Switch about it, would be 2D Mario.
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I realize it’s not one to one, but releasing the GBC “and now my games are in color” doesn’t invalidate the value of the black and white version, and you get access to the color version simply by buying the upgraded hardware. Which is, to my mind, a comparable situation to having free DLC which runs on next gen machines.
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If anything the hypothetical we're talking about, or at least the one I'm talkin about, is even kinder to consumers, wherein they are using the exact same game (cartridge or digital) and it just runs better on the next system.
I really don't see how anybody can spin this as a negative.
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I mean, PS5 mostly plays cross gen games and sells like hot cakes. There's not really a reason for Nintendo to not release Mario Party, 2D DK or F-Zero GX Remastered (for example) for older hardware.
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If even Hogwarts Legacy doesn't have an enhanced sku in the works, I'd love to know the allegeded games targeting completion in late 2022 / early 2023 because looking back, I'm coming up with a very short list. I think safe guesses are Mario + Rabbids Sparks of Hope, Sonic Frontiers, Nier Automata and RE Games with Cloud versions on the base console and native ports on the new hardware.
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I’d be a bit pissed since if I knew a better version of totk would be available soon I’d just wait for that. Not knowing and having them reveal it a few months after totk launches would just have me feeling bitter.
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A better $470 dollar version of, since it requires new hardware to play. There are two scenarios where this happens "a few months" after Tears
1. Nintendo releases a $400 Premium Switch, and it plays Switch games in 4k, with 1 or 2 exclusives.
2. Nintendo releases a $400 Premium Switch, and it plays Switch games with no improvements, meaning you're basically charging $470 for the next Mario, and that's it.
And you're saying you find situation 2 preferable?
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Only way i could see nintendo continuing to support the Switch beyond 2025 is if Drake flops. Part of why PS2 continued getting support was just how lackluster the PS3's initial launch was. PS4 kept getting support because the chip shortage limiting how many PS5's could be initially made pretty much forced Sony and AAA 3rd parties to keep making PS4 versions of games and now that the chip shortage is over we are seeing AAA 3rd parties quickly shift over to current gen exclusives.
If Drake sells at least as well as the Switch then Nintendo will very quickly move on from the switch. They'll obviously keep the switch e-shop up at least until 2030 but remasters, remakes, etc that weren't already being made for switch are just going to be made for Drake.
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I see where you're coming from, but I don't think we can ignore the install bases of the aforementioned systems. For example, while the PS5's chip shortage is valid, you also have to consider that those PS4 games were already in development. In the PS2's case, while the PS3 came out as a flop, the PS2 was still getting games due to its monolithic success, like God of War 2 and Assassin's Creed, plus HD game development was still new at the time and it wouldn't hit its stride until, arguably, the release of Uncharted in 2007. I can hardly imagine Nintendo or even third-parties abandoning the Switch until a few years have after Drake have passed with support in the form of smaller scale games, most of which will very likely be cross-gen.
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And it’ll be every penny worth it
Not like you don’t need a >$800 PC to also experience a “better” (acquired illegally) version of it. The $470 is what I’d pay without any issues in a heartbeat.
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The Switch 2 is going to be an insta buy for me as I will want to re-experience Tears of the Kingdom with all the bells and whistles. I do believe they have a strong case for the Switch 2 if it launches with a potential Tears of the Kingdom remaster. And that's nothing to say about the next 3D Mario.
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That Ember person is a bullshitter so I wouldn't pay attention to anything they're saying.
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Just to chime in, since i see many people writing absolute nonsense. I'm on Team 2023, it's just the most logical, releasing in March is stupid from marketing point of view. So if they don't have a really strong case, they will release it on holiday, and holiday 2024 is sooo far away it's going to show how stupid they can be with dwindling sales desimating their charts.
But some, have mentioned that Switch 2 will magically run Switch 1 games at 4k. Which is absolutetly bollocks, it won't do that without someone actually patching, or at least recompling the whole game with NVN2 with a new dev-kit. So no, none of the Switch 1 games are going to be running at 4k.
But, i'm hopefull about 99% BC, with some rare exceptions, and if they did some cool magic, maybe we get 100%. I'm not going to buy Switch 2 if i don't have an actual point to buy it. Running ToTK and BoTW better, without hickups in korok forest is not that. But if they actually Patch ToTK with ~2k/4k resolution, DSLL, and maybe add some ray-tracing in the mix to actually take advantage of the new cool features. That would maybe do it.
On the other hand, just a 4k patch to run ToTK without any frame-drops and with DSLL sounds so low effort, that i'm not sure who would buy it purely for that? Unless you are an enthusiastic, which many of us are. But i do want something for the money. And for me at least, Mario is not that, Zelda is.
What i'm saying, nothing will improve automatically with Switch 2. Someone has to do the work to get the game running with better resolution and use cool new tech, which means that 99% of the games, just runs better, without frame-drops or resolution drops mid-game. And we might get some nice patches to take advantage of the cool new features, maybe some DSLL magic. But still, someone has to actually do the work, and most studios will just focus on new games rather than go back to old games and re-release them for Switch 2.
But some, have mentioned that Switch 2 will magically run Switch 1 games at 4k. Which is absolutetly bollocks, it won't do that without someone actually patching, or at least recompling the whole game with NVN2 with a new dev-kit. So no, none of the Switch 1 games are going to be running at 4k.
But, i'm hopefull about 99% BC, with some rare exceptions, and if they did some cool magic, maybe we get 100%. I'm not going to buy Switch 2 if i don't have an actual point to buy it. Running ToTK and BoTW better, without hickups in korok forest is not that. But if they actually Patch ToTK with ~2k/4k resolution, DSLL, and maybe add some ray-tracing in the mix to actually take advantage of the new cool features. That would maybe do it.
On the other hand, just a 4k patch to run ToTK without any frame-drops and with DSLL sounds so low effort, that i'm not sure who would buy it purely for that? Unless you are an enthusiastic, which many of us are. But i do want something for the money. And for me at least, Mario is not that, Zelda is.
What i'm saying, nothing will improve automatically with Switch 2. Someone has to do the work to get the game running with better resolution and use cool new tech, which means that 99% of the games, just runs better, without frame-drops or resolution drops mid-game. And we might get some nice patches to take advantage of the cool new features, maybe some DSLL magic. But still, someone has to actually do the work, and most studios will just focus on new games rather than go back to old games and re-release them for Switch 2.
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What excites me most about the next Switch is this will be a true genuine Nintendo and Nvidia console thats been carefully planned out and prepared. We all know that the Nintendo Switch is basically a modified Nvidia Shield because with the Wii U flailing Nintendo needed to hurry to get something out to the market and Nvidia had a whole bunch of Nvidia Shield parts they needed to get rid of, which is also why people been able to mod this console since day one.
The Uber excitement of the 3D mario team, Zelda team, Next Level Games, Monolith Soft and Retro Studios working with a device that is able to rival the PS4 is just what dreams of made of since they all been able to push alot out of the old tired Switch Hardware. Since i know all of these studios will having something cooking for the next console is the reason i am buying it day one no questions asked.
The Uber excitement of the 3D mario team, Zelda team, Next Level Games, Monolith Soft and Retro Studios working with a device that is able to rival the PS4 is just what dreams of made of since they all been able to push alot out of the old tired Switch Hardware. Since i know all of these studios will having something cooking for the next console is the reason i am buying it day one no questions asked.
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It also has an audience on Switch, Switch is the home to turn based tactics games. Nintendo has published their own marvel game and long running turn based strategy games. It would definitely outsell every other version, maybe even combined.
Plus, cloud versions almost cost nothing. there are devs out there who released cloud versions of their games after failing to port them natively: The Forgotten City and Edge of Eternity. The Forgotten City devs said cloud release is an instantaneous process, they knew it won't sell at all but wanted to keep the promise.
Can't say I agree with all that. Especially the outselling other versions. I don't think the market is that much different with these games. If they can't sell to playstation and PC owners (whom, separately, have major demos for midnight suns), then there is no Switch owner who ticks these boxes. A fireaxis strategy game that can't sell on pc can't make that up anywhere else
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I've always thought Nintendo's statement years ago of the Switch being supported for "7-10 years" meant "the Switch will be discontinued in 10 years, not replaced"
I'm tentatively #Team2023 right now for REDACTED launching but I think Nintendo could keep the original Switch alive until 2027, like how they kept the Wii and DS on the market for around a year or two after their successors.
Heck, given how the period of consoles getting its "last few" games seems to be getting longer and longer, I wouldn't be surprised if we see our last Switch games from indies or third-parties on the shelves in 2030.
I'm tentatively #Team2023 right now for REDACTED launching but I think Nintendo could keep the original Switch alive until 2027, like how they kept the Wii and DS on the market for around a year or two after their successors.
Heck, given how the period of consoles getting its "last few" games seems to be getting longer and longer, I wouldn't be surprised if we see our last Switch games from indies or third-parties on the shelves in 2030.
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I really want to play Red Dead Redemption 2. I need the Switch 2 so I can hopefully, finally, play it!
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Nintendo’s approach to the Switch transition will be the same strategy they used with the transition from home-handheld to hybrid. Nintendo repurposed their handheld dominion to take a chunk of the home console market, making the monster that is the Switch today. That’s how they’ll transition from Switch to Successor: build upon what they already have and take it to the Drake. “It’s the Switch, but better! More convenient!”.
It’s in their best interest to keep the Switch around for a while.
Hell, it wouldn’t surprise me that the Switch 2’s lifespan is a bit longer because we won’t start getting next gen exclusive or gamed that push the Switch 2 that much up until it’s third year in the market
It’s in their best interest to keep the Switch around for a while.
Hell, it wouldn’t surprise me that the Switch 2’s lifespan is a bit longer because we won’t start getting next gen exclusive or gamed that push the Switch 2 that much up until it’s third year in the market
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That's me with all these Resident Evil games released in the past years.
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Why don't you, you know buy another console?
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There’s no guarantee that these come to the platform, and we have no idea when it will even release. Just go on eBay and get yourself a Series S for $200. Having a current gen console makes waiting for Nintendos next system much easier
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I cannot put enough "this"s in a sentence.
The Switch is too good to kill off now. I cans see 2-3 years of support after the Switch 2 launches, even if they're mostly less demanding titles and remasters. The Switch 2 literally only needs to be "stronger" as a selling point. Do that, and basically half the marketing writes itself.
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I'd think Capcom stuff getting ported is a fair chance. It's Capcom, folks. They'd port Resi 4 Remake to a toaster if it was technically doable and enough people would own that certain toaster device.
RDR 2 though ... yeah, you might wanna check out some other consoles or invest in a decent PC that runs it.
RDR 2 though ... yeah, you might wanna check out some other consoles or invest in a decent PC that runs it.
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Yeah. I think new PS4s even go for 200 these days as well.
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I plan to buy a PS5 in the future. Just waiting for a better design or fully black console. But I would like to have the majority of my library in one place and I like playing on Switch due to its flexible nature.
While true, I'm pretty sure Capcom will port ReSi latest games to Switch 2. The Resident Evil ports to Switch were very successful and we had Dusk Golem saying that Capcom tried to port RE7 to Switch but weren’t sucessful.
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Nvidia put out a paper on neural texture compression and decompression
Random-Access Neural Compression of Material Textures | Research
The continuous advancement of photorealism in rendering is accompanied by a growth in texture data and, consequently, increasing storage and memory demands. To address this issue, we propose a novel neural compression technique specifically designed for material textures. We unlock two more...research.nvidia.com
Thanks for sharing this, it's very interesting. I'm curious as to how much benefit you would see just from combining the large number of channels required for modern PBR materials into a single format using more traditional compression methods, and dropping the neural component. Current block compression texture formats were built for a pre-PBR world where all you had to worry about was RBGA (the BC texture formats currently in use actually originate from the S3TC format which was supported on the Gamecube), so none of them support more than 4 channels, whereas PBR materials typically require many more (the examples in the paper use nine channels). These channels are highly correlated, but because they have to be split across multiple texture files, each separately block encoded, current techniques don't fully leverage that correlation in terms of smaller file sizes.
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What’s happening next week?
A briefing of some kind?
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Iirc they release their results. Dunno if for Q1 FY 2024 or for the last one ... but i think the former.
But there's very, very, VERY likely not going to be an announcement, or even a small "winkwink" or anything similar.
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Scheduled date for Earnings Release for the fiscal year ending March 2023
Tue. May 9, 2023
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But most people are just hoping for some pseudo-revealing pseudo-answer in the Q&A that they can read way too much into.
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Nintendo, considering how careful they’ve gotten over the years about when they reveal stuff, will NEVER say something like “we will announce new hardware soon” at some press event. They won’t even tease it or something. If it’s coming out this year, prepare for a trailer drop or some kind of pre-announced information video maybe July.
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