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I went to the midnight launch for the Switch at GameStop. I’ll do the same thing again for Switch 2. Probably won’t be GameStop, but whatever store is doing the midnight launch.
 
kvetcha said:
oh snap, she's waffling 👀
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That's not what waffling means! Wavering, perhaps!

I still think late 2023 is by far the most likely, my position hasn't really changed. I even said I wouldn't be shocked; I WOULD be rather surprised by such a timeframe, and as I said, such a timeframe IS dooming.

Looking for confirmation of your dooming where there isn't any isn't, well, helpful to anyone.
 
LukasManak22 said:
They will. They will not confirm any launch window of successor because someone asks, and certainly not just 3 days before their biggest launches in years. People should calm down with expectations on May 9th.
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Teasing a new system will not distract from the sequel to Breath of the Wild, especially if it's just a little mention.
 
Dark Cloud said:
I went to the midnight launch for the Switch at GameStop. I’ll do the same thing again for Switch 2. Probably won’t be GameStop, but whatever store is doing the midnight launch.
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I did as well! GameStop Mississauga SquareOne. Stood in line for what felt like 4 hrs. Luckily I ran into my neighbour in line which helped the time pass. Will I do it again for Switch 2? My mind says yes but my body says maybe.
 
AxkilAvenger said:
I did as well! GameStop Mississauga SquareOne. Stood in line for what felt like 4 hrs. Luckily I ran into my neighbour in line which helped the time pass. Will I do it again for Switch 2? My mind says yes but my body says maybe.
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I think I waited for about 2 hours. I was like the 15th person in line.
 
D36 said:
Teasing a new system will not distract from the sequel to Breath of the Wild, especially if it's just a little mention.
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Nintendo is selling a limited edition Zelda themed OLED. They had this in inventory since months ago. Keeping inventory has its costs. They’re not gonna announce a successor console days before their biggest title releases. That has a plethora of negative consequences, like people cancelling Zelda OLED pre-orders and/or already existing owners upgrading to another model. They’re being cautious. They want TOTK to have the best software-hardware attach rate they can get from it.
 
Honestly thinking about getting an v2 model. Launch model gets warm with Xenoblade as expected, and given I mostly play handheld, the battery gets drained a lot and is probably of reduced capacity.

Plus if it means I jinx Drake into being announced, even better!
 
Dark Cloud said:
I think I waited for about 2 hours. I was like the 15th person in line.
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Waited for something like seven or eight hours at a Best Buy nearby, couple hundred people in line. Memories. 🥲

ILikeFeet said:
Honestly thinking about getting an v2 model. Launch model gets warm with Xenoblade as expected, and given I mostly play handheld, the battery gets drained a lot and is probably of reduced capacity.

Plus if it means I jinx Drake into being announced, even better!
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If you're primarily handheld, OLED or bust. It's such an upgrade.
 
ziggyrivers said:
Nintendo is selling a limited edition Zelda themed OLED. They had this in inventory since months ago. Keeping inventory has its costs. They’re not gonna announce a successor console days before their biggest title releases. That has a plethora of negative consequences, like people cancelling Zelda OLED pre-orders and/or already existing owners upgrading to another model. They’re being cautious. They want TOTK to have the best software-hardware attach rate they can get from it.
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The fact they've had the ZOLED stocked up for months still makes me think they did it early to clear the production lines for... Something.
 
Homura said:
Nah, they most likely had the OLED ready for months because they started manufacturing before the delay to 2023.
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That would mean that they started manufacturing the ZOLED before May 2022.

Which they did not.

It's possible the manufacturing was booked ahead of time, before the delay was decided on, but that still leaves them in a situation where they were producing tonnes of OLED Model consoles in mid to late 2022 and doling them out over the first six months of this year. Meaning that they planned to have these months emptier, manufacturing wise.
 
ziggyrivers said:
Nintendo is selling a limited edition Zelda themed OLED. They had this in inventory since months ago. Keeping inventory has its costs. They’re not gonna announce a successor console days before their biggest title releases. That has a plethora of negative consequences, like people cancelling Zelda OLED pre-orders and/or already existing owners upgrading to another model. They’re being cautious. They want TOTK to have the best software-hardware attach rate they can get from it.
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I guess, but at this point, everyone who wanted a ZOLED most likely already has it. Not to mention it's a collector's item.
 
Concernt said:
The fact they've had the ZOLED stocked up for months still makes me think they did it early to clear the production lines for... Something.
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Good point. It’s unprecedented for a company to mass produce a product so early. TOTK was originally slated for Holiday 2022, but the delay was announced in September. They had enough time to postpone the production, but didnt. Hardware sales are declining, no more themed OLEDs will come out. Why would they need to clear production lines? Possibly for the successor.

ILikeFeet said:
I know, but I rather not spend more when I'm gonna replace it within a year
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Trade it in if you have a GameStop or BestBuy close by
 
ziggyrivers said:
Good point. It’s unprecedented for a company to mass produce a product so early. TOTK was originally slated for Holiday 2022, but the delay was announced in September. They had enough time to postpone the production, but didnt. Hardware sales are declining, no more themed OLEDs will come out. Why would they need to clear production lines? Possibly for the successor.


Trade it in if you have a GameStop or BestBuy close by
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Small correction, but the delay was announced in March, the release date was revealed in September.
 
D36 said:
Small correction, but the delay was announced in March, the release date was revealed in September.
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Ahh, I knew the delay was some time close to Summer! Thanks~

kasparov77 said:
"We JUST passed the middle of the Switch's lifecycle. Please understand".
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JAHAJAHAJAHAJHAA This is honestly another possibility. “We’re finding new ways to carry on the foundation this system has given us”
 
I'm currently feeling H2 2023 or H1 2024 for the next hardware (with every grain of salt in the Dead Sea) but no way are we hearing anything about it in the upcoming fiscal results/shareholder meetings tbh.
 
The absolute best case scenario is them confirming that next generation exists with no new info but maybe a codename. Correct me if I'm wrong, but does the R&D spending gives us a hint on determining whether a new gen is imminent or not?
 
InfinityWarrior88 said:
The absolute best case scenario is them confirming that next generation exists with no new info but maybe a codename. Correct me if I'm wrong, but does the R&D spending gives us a hint on determining whether a new gen is imminent or not?
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We can speculate on R&D and Raw materials but it doesn't really confirm anything
 
Idk what it is but I think I'm officially 2024-pilled :/ TOTK made me lose all focus on new hardware xd

Edit: I'll probably revert when I play/beat the game lol
 
InfinityWarrior88 said:
The absolute best case scenario is them confirming that next generation exists with no new info but maybe a codename. Correct me if I'm wrong, but does the R&D spending gives us a hint on determining whether a new gen is imminent or not?
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The two of them falling off a cliff would be a positive indication, yes.
 
Concernt said:
No! Not with the sensor bar! Never again!
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Honestly, I just don't care about the actual tech.

I just want my hassle-free, Wii-like reliable IR pointing back with no "push to recenter" button.

This and the joycon stick drift were a huge hardware/engineering disappointment and I hope Nintendo has learned from this fiasco.
 
Concernt said:
The fact they've had the ZOLED stocked up for months still makes me think they did it early to clear the production lines for... Something.
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For the next big Oled Switch, the Moled! Makes sense to produce millions of Mario Switch Oled for the next big Mario game.

Switch 2 can wait another year!

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Or will Nintendo do it?
 
It's 101 marketing. Now that we're all hyped for Zelda, running out buying it, they wait some time and then, boom, here's TotK in DLSS's 4k on ReDraketed, coming out this holiday season! (Or March 2024)
 
Bonejack said:
It's 101 marketing. Now that we're all hyped for Zelda, running out buying it, they wait some time and then, boom, here's TotK in DLSS's 4k on ReDraketed, coming out this holiday season! (Or March 2024)
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This seems likely.

"Play this year's highest rated game... IN 4K, WITH RAYTRACING, ONLY ON NINTENDO SWITCH PLUS, LAUNCHING NOVEMBER 7TH." or some such.
 
Concernt said:
No! Not with the sensor bar! Never again!

I agree we want better gyro controls but nowadays that's better served with inside-out tracking.

The Wii system worked by having an IR camera on the Wii Remote track two IR emitters on the sensor bar.

The Joy-Con IR Motion Camera has both in one, a strobing IR emitter and an IR camera, all in one unit.

Rather than having to point something as archaic as a sensor bar, instead, if they added more IR camera units to each Joy-Con, it could analyse its movement relative to the room, and provide inside-out tracking. Mobile phones have also made IR+colour cameras extremely cheap and available, and using an array of those could do things like track the screen, be it in TV or Tabletop mode, rather than a dedicated sensor bar, which would make things a lot simpler.

This approach also has the advantage of not having to point at the TV to align things.

Wii U GamePad had great motion controls through the use of a magnetometer, so it could calibrate itself using the earth's magnetic field.

Combining these, say, having one camera on the bottom of each Joy-Con, and one at the top beside the shoulder button, and a magnetometer each, you could get really excellent motion controls, no sensor bar required.

Luckily for Nintendo, camera modules (including IR sensitive modules) are extremely cheap, again, thanks to mobile phones. Using those for inside-out tracking would be a great move.


Edit: also a sensor bar has to be stationary, more or less, and kind of defeats the purpose of a portable system. Inside-out tracking could be used to enhance the motion controls even in handheld mode, and work as an excellent pointer for Wii games in Tabletop mode.
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If you had colour cameras in each JoyCon, could you potentially replicate the Wii remotes functionality, but instead of a sensor bar, the Tensor cores could assist with image recognition when pointed at a TV?
 
TSR3 said:
If you had colour cameras in each JoyCon, could you potentially replicate the Wii remotes functionality, but instead of a sensor bar, the Tensor cores could assist with image recognition when pointed at a TV?
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Yeah, and the advantage of that is that it would work in tabletop mode, too!
 
ILikeFeet said:
Mario with ray tracing
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Yeah… no. lol
Jafin said:
I'll be pre-ordering the second it's available. I've gotten every new Nintendo console on release day since the GBA (aside from the Wii U as I was at college in another country at the time).
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Oh what country? The ones I’ve seen for studying abroad are usually European or East Asian countries.

Had a cousin go to Italy and another one go to SK.
 
ITSMILNER said:
I see Marvel Midnight Suns for Switch has been cancelled, I wonder if they expected new hardware sooner?
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I suspect it's because the game was a flop. Fireaxis games tend to have a long tail, but this is their first big licensed IP, and the publisher/IP holder likely crunched the numbers and turned off the money spigot.
 
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Brubi said:
Do you think Nintendo will consider a RAM Bump because of what happened to TOTK?
Do make it harder to ROM dump the game that easy. I personally think they thought about that :)
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I don't think a RAM bump would make it harder to dump games. I still expect a lot of RAM, I'd lean 80% chance of 12GB, 20% chance of 16GB.
 
ITSMILNER said:
I see Marvel Midnight Suns for Switch has been cancelled, I wonder if they expected new hardware sooner?
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the game bombed and the hassle to port just isn't worth it anymore

ReddDreadtheLead said:
Yeah… no. lol
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Brubi said:
Do you think Nintendo will consider a RAM Bump because of what happened to TOTK?
Do make it harder to ROM dump the game that easy. I personally think they thought about that :)
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At the very least the ROM dumps guarantee that they will use a new cartridge shape for Drake. They might try to make the cartridge slot backwards compatible with switch carts but if they can’t I wouldn’t be surprised if they instead make the BC digital only.
 
I don't think a RAM bump would make it harder to dump games. I still expect a lot of RAM, I'd lean 80% chance of 12GB, 20% chance of 16GB.
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Gerald said:
With 16GB RAM, it would be very hard to emulate
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hopefully the totk leaks scared them into 16gb lololol
 
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