Switch Attach is a real name?
Thank you a lot for the explanation! I can't say I understood everything (and I'm grad in Computer Science lol) but thanks for spending time and expertise to explain thisYeah, not stupid at all. The question is more complicated than it looks!
Consoles reserve OS memory because anything interactive (games, OS UIs) value latency (how fast you start reacting to a button push) over throughput (how fast can you go once you get started). Having a reserve means you're always ready to go.
Desktop/server OSes generally value throughput over latency, so they allocate on-demand. They also swap - that means that they can technically allocate more RAM than they have, and "swap" some of the contents of RAM to disk. You put parts of the system that aren't active onto storage, and then swap them back in when needed. This increases throughput because you effectively have more RAM, but increases latency as some operations have to wait for the swap to happen, and storage is slow.
SteamOS eats about 2 GB of memory on it's own, but it's not a reserve. It can get swapped out. However, that swapping can cause game stutters. In fact, a pretty common tweTak for Steam Deck is to turn swapping off entirely, so that those stutters never happen (at the cost of SteamOS always being in memory).
The other RAM difference on SteamDeck is that while the hardware has one single pool of RAM, just like consoles do, PC architecture expects a seperate pool of RAM for the GPU, like VRAM on a desktop or laptop. SteamDeck solves this by reserving RAM, not for the OS, but for the GPU, and acting like they are separate pools.
But that means the GPU can't access data in the System pool, even though it's the same chip on the motherboard. So games still need to do a (admittedly, very fast) RAM copy every time they want to send data to the graphics hardware. That means two copies of resources exist at a time, at least briefly.
Switch doesn't need to do this copy. Games on Switch can just tell the GPU where the data is. That eliminates a copy, which is not only faster, but more efficient in RAM usage.
So where Switch/Switch 2 has "RAM for the OS, RAM for the game", SteamDeck has "RAM for the OS and the game logic, RAM for the game graphics". Switch/Switch 2 has hard limits, SteamDeck has flexible ones, but in exchange for those flexible limits, you have ineffeciency.
Depends on launch month & supply at launch in each region.When would you guess on the timeline that the system will go into full production?
that's kind of the strange thing - it looks to us like things started getting into pre-mass-production timeline last September - you can VERY easily tell the difference between September 2023 and the entire history of T239/Switch 2 shpments before that, if you know what to look for.Do we have a timeline for when the other Switch units started stockpiling -> mass production? Could be useful for predicting an announcement now.
What's happenin' ??Seeing Fami regulars on Era because they can't post on here during a pivotal moment
Figured that was the case.16GB in devkits would explain why the figure kept coming up in discussions.
no. Ignore the claims on Reddit that "AM" in NL-AM stands for Attach Model.Switch Attach is a real name?
I’m pretty sure the universe saw we posted about the server upgrade and said lmaoCan the Switch 2 run Famiboards.com is the real question
the name is clearly Nintendo Switch (Magnetic Model)
I'd honestly love to see an equivalent forum software that could run on something like AWS Lambda. It probably exists, but I think these things are actively hated by SEO.
Right. It's more than a page an hour. It's really hard to keep up.16 new pages.. I can't keep up with you guys anymore
Anything exciting happen?
Help if you canHello? Is this thing on? Am I all alone? Is anyone there? I need a bigger gun...
I'm really f'n hoping for Switch 2, but I think the worst we can expect is new Nintendo Switch.Hello? Is this thing on? Am I all alone? Is anyone there? I need a bigger gun...
The site is barely holding up lol, it keep telling me I need to certify I wasn't a robot lmao
Thank you a lot for the explanation! I can't say I understood everything (and I'm grad in Computer Science lol) but thanks for spending time and expertise to explain this
Btw my guess for the name of the Switch successor is either Switch 2 or Switch Next, I really like the latter name
lol i think i just read that same post a moment ago. yeah, this place seems to have a more informed pool of people discussing tech. the other place also has people explaining the ins and outs of all of this, but often read some really weird takes from some members .Please work now, I much prefer talking about specs stuff in here, I get less of a headache. I literally read a post elsewhere that said console optimization doesn't make a meaningful difference.
Switch other MThe real name will actually be Switch M
lol i think i just read that same post a moment ago. yeah, this place seems to have a more informed pool of people discussing tech. the other place also has people explaining the ins and outs of all of this, but often read some really weird takes from some members .
Shipping data regarding parts and identifications (regarding RAM and storage) for what is believed for the Switch 2 have gone "viral" across them interwebs many places linking back to this thread (source) of the findings that detailed everything else gathered over the weeks/months/years.It's a holiday here in Germany, so I have a day off and aren't really checking in here, but I noticed there's 25 pages since yesterday ... So I feel urged too ask if I missed finishing?
We got RAM and Storage confirmation.It's a holiday here in Germany, so I have a day off and aren't really checking in here, but I noticed there's 25 pages since yesterday ... So I feel urged too ask if I missed finishing?
You missed the big leak. Well, one of the big leaks.It's a holiday here in Germany, so I have a day off and aren't really checking in here, but I noticed there's 25 pages since yesterday ... So I feel urged too ask if I missed finishing?
It's a holiday here in Germany, so I have a day off and aren't really checking in here, but I noticed there's 25 pages since yesterday ... So I feel urged too ask if I missed finishing?
To add to the previous reply, pie-in-the-sky expectations have been shot down. It looks as though it's as good as a PS4 Pro (if not a little better) as a base, then throw in all the bells and whistles on top to push it further. So, smack bang in the middle of estimations.... It sounds like a great machine, and I'm looking forward to seeing what Nintendo can do with it.
There ware findings on shipment data by LiC, Luigi and the rest of the company. The system will feature ram: 12GB 7500 MT/s and 256GB storage of UFS 3.1 storageIt's a holiday here in Germany, so I have a day off and aren't really checking in here, but I noticed there's 25 pages since yesterday ... So I feel urged too ask if I missed finishing?
We‘ve found RAM and Storage amount in shipping data (among other things).It's a holiday here in Germany, so I have a day off and aren't really checking in here, but I noticed there's 25 pages since yesterday ... So I feel urged too ask if I missed finishing?
Don't get me wrong, the Switch was pretty good spec wise at launch but it was still somewhat dated technically and still adhered to the Gunpei Yokoi philosophy of getting the most out of older tech.
Hope we see Call Of Duty at launchDepends on launch month & supply at launch in each region.
We got RAM and Storage confirmation.
12GB Ram
256GB storage
Also the system will be using UFS 3.1
Edit: Also importantly it seems like it’ll be using LPDDR5X? Modules.
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They really need to stop using a web browser for it and instead make a proper client lmao They can sell it like it is a gimmick that comes with Redactedfamiboards.com
With all the past leaks, neither 8 or 7nm can be used.Why some people still think it might be Samsung 8nm? Is TSMC 4N
That is true. I think the only thing that was underwhelming at the time was the internal storage. Which ironically enough is another point of contention with the Switch 2 specs.It used one of the best available mobile chips at the time.
Well, the CPU will be alot faster, more RAM, more modern tech, DLSS, RT cores, FDE…There was some discussion earlier about realistic and unrealistic expectations. So what do you all think are more realistic expectations to set? I do think saying that the switch 2 is at minimum going to be a PS4 Pro is crazy. If the Switch 2 easily clearing the PS4 Pro doesn't come true this place is burning to the ground. Personally I'm expecting that to kind of be the maximum? Unless we get lucky with clock speeds and the node size, I think that's where this thing is gonna sit in docked mode. And PS4 Pro being where the Switch 2 tops out ain't bad either. I mean the PS4 is still getting games and I'm sure if it had memory as fast as the Switch 2 it could get current gen games. Anyways what do y'all think?
Pessimism is understandable, when Nintendo is transition off of one of the biggest gaming console in recent memory.With all the past leaks, neither 8 or 7nm can be used.
I don’t know why some people still think.
Switch 2 will be more current gen that old gen.Well, the CPU will be alot faster, more RAM, more modern tech, DLSS, RT cores…
On the other hand PS4 Pro has higher memory bandwidth and potentially higher Raster Performance than Switch 2 docked.
It just isn’t Apples to Apples, but I expect Switch 2 to be generally more performant than PS4 Pro.
Let us dreaming my friend!Pessimism is understandable, when Nintendo is transition off of one of the biggest gaming console in recent memory.
Personally I feel like 6nm might happen, but 4 TSMC would be an absolute dream.
The best we can do is wait and see if we’ll hear more rumours or confirmation from Nintendo.
Well, at least I hoped they would launch on 16nm. 20 nm is a really bad node, which led to low clocks.That is true. I think the only thing that was underwhelming at the time was the internal storage. Which ironically enough is another point of contention with the Switch 2 specs.
Was wondering why Fami was down, should’ve know it was you crazies making another discovery. I may not know a lick of specs stuff, but I gotta say what ya’ll do is insane, searching out manufacturing plants and sorting through endless listings, somehow figuring out which ones relate to switch 2, and actually dissevering the specs and features of the new console years before they were even rumored? A+ work here