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Wasn't the timing of the Oct. reveal of the Switch relatively unknown until very shortly before it happened? Like in terms of the exact date? Emily was the only one who hinted at it like a day before, no? Maybe we’re in a similar situation with Drake, which could explain the relative silence. We might see a shadow drop announcement late august. Which could work given Nintendo themselves likely won’t have exclusives until 2024 at the earliest.
 
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I assumed he meant it was already delayed out of the current slot (i.e. into later in 2023)
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Look, I know I'm not a known insider by any means, but the sources I've heard from did tell me about the Partner Showcase ahead of time.

Between them, people I trust who have been right before, and Nate being RIGHT HERE, and who is someone we generally trust because he cares about source quality and corroboration, and him having been right before -

This device is slated for production before the end of the year.

Late 2022 is the goal, early 2023 is a possibility.

We've seen evidence in this very thread that along with the Splatoon 3 Special Edition OLED Model, there's another model with a new backplate that is in production and may even have been in production in some capacity, such as validation testing, up to 6 months ago.

Hardware deadlines just don't slip like software, they're carefully planned and manufacturing testing is carried out months before actual full scale production; that testing is happening, maybe even has finished.

Whatever this thing is, if it's coming, it's coming late this year or early next, personally I think March would be the absolute latest. That is backed up by everything I have heard, and I have seen nothing to the contrary. For goodness' sake the finalised dev kits for Series X|S hit devs in JUNE for a November release, the best we know is that the next Switch has had dev kits in devs hands not for months, but YEARS at this point.

I don't see why anyone should be afraid something like this could slip when, especially with hardware, they work hard to make sure it doesn't. Nintendo Switch, as far as I know, was delayed due to software not being ready.

This isn't a clean break, that isn't an issue, there isn't software to wait on for this, especially if we are to believe Nintendo has been working on software updates in tandem with console development, so if it's slated for November it will release in November barring a natural disaster.

Not even a financial crisis stops Nintendo Switch hardware, look at the Animal Crossing Nintendo Switch, or the Coral Nintendo Switch Lite.
 
Concernt said:
Look, I know I'm not a known insider by any means, but the sources I've heard from did tell me about the Partner Showcase ahead of time.

Between them, people I trust who have been right before, and Nate being RIGHT HERE, and who is someone we generally trust because he cares about source quality and corroboration, and him having been right before -

This device is slated for production before the end of the year.

Late 2022 is the goal, early 2023 is a possibility.

We've seen evidence in this very thread that along with the Splatoon 3 Special Edition OLED Model, there's another model with a new backplate that is in production and may even have been in production in some capacity, such as validation testing, up to 6 months ago.

Hardware deadlines just don't slip like software, they're carefully planned and manufacturing testing is carried out months before actual full scale production; that testing is happening, maybe even has finished.

Whatever this thing is, if it's coming, it's coming late this year or early next, personally I think March would be the absolute latest. That is backed up by everything I have heard, and I have seen nothing to the contrary. For goodness' sake the finalised dev kits for Series X|S hit devs in JUNE for a November release, the best we know is that the next Switch has had dev kits in devs hands not for months, but YEARS at this point.

I don't see why anyone should be afraid something like this could slip when, especially with hardware, they work hard to make sure it doesn't. Nintendo Switch, as far as I know, was delayed due to software not being ready.

This isn't a clean break, that isn't an issue, there isn't software to wait on for this, especially if we are to believe Nintendo has been working on software updates in tandem with console development, so if it's slated for November it will release in November barring a natural disaster.

Not even a financial crisis stops Nintendo Switch hardware, look at the Animal Crossing Nintendo Switch, or the Coral Nintendo Switch Lite.
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True and yes 2023 is the max …
 
Concernt said:
So. Q1?

Like.

March at the latest.

What have I been saying? 😅
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It all depends on what Nate (and/or his sources) think early 23 range means, Joseki could be right and it could mean H1 but it could also mean anything else like Q1, January-April or before summer season

pd: I’m not asking Nate to give any explanation of what early 23 means, I understand giving a date or even a month/range would result on clickbait news and dogpilling if it’s just a bit later
 
Blue Monty said:
It all depends on what Nate (and/or his sources) think early 23 range means, Joseki could be right and it could mean H1 but it could also mean anything else like Q1, January-April or before summer season
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Where I come from, May is summer.
April is less than a month before summer.

Summer, or less than a month before summer, is not early in the year.
 
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NateDrake said:
Officially, Drake has not been delayed. The window has been late '22/H1 '23 internally for a long while. I've been getting updates on timing; but I will not share any such specifics unless they fall outside that window -- late '22/early 23.

2021 was never in the cards. The only reason is was ever mentioned for 2021 is due to a mix up & conflating the new hardware in the hands of developers with the new hardware entering production with an OLED screen.
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I mean I believe you are very legit Nate, but... I gotta say, this feels a little big like hedging your bets. Everyone is dying to know if it's this year or next, and if you have any clue on that I'm not sure why you wouldn't share? :(
 
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Concernt said:
Look, I know I'm not a known insider by any means, but the sources I've heard from did tell me about the Partner Showcase ahead of time.

Between them, people I trust who have been right before, and Nate being RIGHT HERE, and who is someone we generally trust because he cares about source quality and corroboration, and him having been right before -

This device is slated for production before the end of the year.

Late 2022 is the goal, early 2023 is a possibility.

We've seen evidence in this very thread that along with the Splatoon 3 Special Edition OLED Model, there's another model with a new backplate that is in production and may even have been in production in some capacity, such as validation testing, up to 6 months ago.

Hardware deadlines just don't slip like software, they're carefully planned and manufacturing testing is carried out months before actual full scale production; that testing is happening, maybe even has finished.

Whatever this thing is, if it's coming, it's coming late this year or early next, personally I think March would be the absolute latest. That is backed up by everything I have heard, and I have seen nothing to the contrary. For goodness' sake the finalised dev kits for Series X|S hit devs in JUNE for a November release, the best we know is that the next Switch has had dev kits in devs hands not for months, but YEARS at this point.

I don't see why anyone should be afraid something like this could slip when, especially with hardware, they work hard to make sure it doesn't. Nintendo Switch, as far as I know, was delayed due to software not being ready.

This isn't a clean break, that isn't an issue, there isn't software to wait on for this, especially if we are to believe Nintendo has been working on software updates in tandem with console development, so if it's slated for November it will release in November barring a natural disaster.

Not even a financial crisis stops Nintendo Switch hardware, look at the Animal Crossing Nintendo Switch, or the Coral Nintendo Switch Lite.
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Blessed reassurance
 
mjayer said:
I mean I believe you are very legit Nate, but... I gotta say, this feels a little big like hedging your bets. Everyone is dying to know if it's this year or next, and if you have any clue on that I'm not sure why you wouldn't share? :(
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Just plan for spring 2023. It makes too much sense, especially with BotW 2 coming out at the same time.

Tomorrow is the first day of August and we have zero news on manufacturing for the new unit. If this was launching in a couple months we would absolutely know about it already.
 
Concernt said:
Look, I know I'm not a known insider by any means, but the sources I've heard from did tell me about the Partner Showcase ahead of time.

Between them, people I trust who have been right before, and Nate being RIGHT HERE, and who is someone we generally trust because he cares about source quality and corroboration, and him having been right before -

This device is slated for production before the end of the year.

Late 2022 is the goal, early 2023 is a possibility.

We've seen evidence in this very thread that along with the Splatoon 3 Special Edition OLED Model, there's another model with a new backplate that is in production and may even have been in production in some capacity, such as validation testing, up to 6 months ago.

Hardware deadlines just don't slip like software, they're carefully planned and manufacturing testing is carried out months before actual full scale production; that testing is happening, maybe even has finished.

Whatever this thing is, if it's coming, it's coming late this year or early next, personally I think March would be the absolute latest. That is backed up by everything I have heard, and I have seen nothing to the contrary. For goodness' sake the finalised dev kits for Series X|S hit devs in JUNE for a November release, the best we know is that the next Switch has had dev kits in devs hands not for months, but YEARS at this point.

I don't see why anyone should be afraid something like this could slip when, especially with hardware, they work hard to make sure it doesn't. Nintendo Switch, as far as I know, was delayed due to software not being ready.

This isn't a clean break, that isn't an issue, there isn't software to wait on for this, especially if we are to believe Nintendo has been working on software updates in tandem with console development, so if it's slated for November it will release in November barring a natural disaster.

Not even a financial crisis stops Nintendo Switch hardware, look at the Animal Crossing Nintendo Switch, or the Coral Nintendo Switch Lite.
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@Dragoncaine
 
Sol said:
Just plan for spring 2023. It makes too much sense, especially with BotW 2 coming out at the same time.

Tomorrow is the first day of August and we have zero news on manufacturing for the new unit. If this was launching in a couple months we would absolutely know about it already.
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Sure, I mean maybe.. but there's still a chance... which is my point. I'd rather that hope was extinguished then linger on the rest of the next month or two.
 
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daase ko said:
I can't believe this is not set at nintendo, so the fact that we're still working with this not so tight schedule to begin with is incomprehensible.
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Ya you'd think enough devs would know when it's coming out that it would be leaked by now.

At least any dev with a launch window game would at least know the launch window.
 
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daase ko said:
I can't believe this is not set at nintendo, so the fact that we're still working with this not so tight schedule to begin with is incomprehensible.
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any other time, I'd say similar but logistics are kind fucked right now. hell the switch was, allegedly, pushed back so some games got some extra months. this wouldn't that dissimilar
 
ILikeFeet said:
any other time, I'd say similar but logistics are kind fucked right now. hell the switch was, allegedly, pushed back so some games got some extra months. this wouldn't that dissimilar
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While it's totally possible they delay the intended launch of hardware, there's a window to do that in. They cant be planning for November launch and then cancel and delay it in September, because the stuff would already be ordered and manufacturing and marketing and all that would be starting. So I'd say it's extremely unlikely at this point that Nintendo is still deciding between holiday 22 or early 23.
 
Stinkmeiser45 said:
While it's totally possible they delay the intended launch of hardware, there's a window to do that in. They cant be planning for November launch and then cancel and delay it in September, because the stuff would already be ordered and manufacturing and marketing and all that would be starting. So I'd say it's extremely unlikely at this point that Nintendo is still deciding between holiday 22 or early 23.
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Nintendo knows already when it’s going to launch. they are not going to do a last minute delay to early next year if they have told 3:rd party devs that the new system is coming out this year.

Either it gets announced in the coming wells and comes out before December or they delayed it back before they told us that Zelda was delayed to next year
 
karmitt said:
Shit. I was capping off my 2022 hopes in August thinking it couldn’t be later than that.
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Buuuut it’s a different case, right? Not a simple upgrade even if Nintendo decides to present it this way, not the same console, not the same company etc

That thing needs at the veeeery least 3 months between announce and release imo.
 
Stinkmeiser45 said:
While it's totally possible they delay the intended launch of hardware, there's a window to do that in. They cant be planning for November launch and then cancel and delay it in September, because the stuff would already be ordered and manufacturing and marketing and all that would be starting. So I'd say it's extremely unlikely at this point that Nintendo is still deciding between holiday 22 or early 23.
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I sure as hell ain't betting on a delay like that. I'm still betting on a Jan/Feb reveal and an April/May launch
 
L_esson said:
Buuuut it’s a different case, right? Not a simple upgrade even if Nintendo decides to present it this way, not the same console, not the same company etc

That thing needs at the veeeery least 3 months between announce and release imo.
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I agree it’s not an identical case, but I disagree that it cannot still apply here.

If there are no exclusives, which is an assumption many are making here, it’s functionally very similar. Nintendo isn’t going to announce a device and spend an hour talking about the wild difference in its specs. They’re probably going to tell us it’s a Switch, and that our favorite games run better, or in 4K.*

I don’t see why anybody thinks this system needs a long runway. The existing Switch is not being replaced this year or next year (or perhaps later), and this is almost certainly meant to sell alongside it. It’ll sell out easily on a “Switch games but better” promise.

Edit: * Just want to emphasize this point. Even if Nvidia and the new SoC are putting in work here, and even if we’re throwing a little of Nintendo precedence out the window in other areas, I do not personally see Nintendo ever diverging from obfuscating or hiding the power and specs of their systems. And without that, and considering what else I said above, why is it really all that different from a Pro at launch?
 
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I think it would either launch with a full remake of Metroid Prime that looks freakin awesome this fall or launch with Zelda next spring (along with other big titles throughout the year). I don't see Nintendo launching this without at least one good showpiece title. It's always possible a few already announced titles for this year could get the 4K treatment but I still feel like Nintendo would have something... more if it's coming this holiday. My guess is still Spring which would still lineup with what Nate is hearing.
 
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L_esson said:
Buuuut it’s a different case, right? Not a simple upgrade even if Nintendo decides to present it this way, not the same console, not the same company etc

That thing needs at the veeeery least 3 months between announce and release imo.
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3 months is fine. There was no more than a teaser trailer for the Switch until less than 2 months before launch.
 
Stinkmeiser45 said:
The switch was first talked about around a year before release and we had an assload of leaks, nothing like what we're seeing right now.
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The Nintendo Switch was first talked about in Spring 2014 when the first leaks (the concept) sprung up.

The Nintendo Switch Pro was first talked about in Autumn/Winter 2016 when the first leaks (an early dev kit's specs) sprung up.

We're further away from the beginning of Switch Pro leaks now than we were Switch leaks when it launched.

And we have about as much information now as we did about Switch this many months out from launch. We have a general idea of accessories and features; compatible with Joy-Con, probably uses the Nintendo Switch Dock with LAN Port, likely an OLED screen, a wider kickstand than Nintendo Switch - OLED Model by 1-3mm.


Now is incredibly comparable to that pre -reveal buzz around NX. Sketches of the device didn't come until nearly a week before reveal.
 
i am going with the announcement of the console in the first half of February and the launch at the end of may….because Zelda !
not that the console will need the game but it is just such a nice opportunity.
 
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Nintendo had exclusive for both DSi and New 3DS, the idea that Drake will lack 1st party exclusives makes little sense to me, it will lack big exclusives early on of course but still we should see some exclusives even if it is only to show the new aspects of the console.
 
Blue Monty said:
Nintendo had exclusive for both DSi and New 3DS, the idea that Drake will lack 1st party exclusives makes little sense to me, it will lack big exclusives early on of course but still we should see some exclusives even if it is only to show the new aspects of the console.
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Yeah I don't see why it wouldn't have exclusives. Exclusives sell hardware. If it doesn't have any exclusives, a lot of people (myself included) are just gonna stick with the regular switch to save 400 dollars.
 
YolkFolk said:
Xenoblade 4 Drake exclusive.

Imagine how good it would look.
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I do think Monolithsoft should be making an exclusive by 2024/25. Other Nintendo teams could take advantage of the hardware for sure, but Monolithsoft is the only one that continues to demonstrate they don’t cope well with the current limits.
 
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