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StarTopic Future Nintendo Hardware & Technology Speculation & Discussion |ST| (Read the staff posts before commenting!)

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Steve said:
Has any Chinese outlets mention something about specs, since things are heating up.
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No, you have to be aware that most of the Chinese media is passing on second hand news from other countries' websites, if there are specs leaked it must be leaked by someone inside TSMC or Samsung.
 
Steve said:
Has any Chinese outlets mention something about specs, since things are heating up.
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That kind of leak would have to come from Nintendo or one of their internal documents. I don't think one can look at a Switch 2 (prototype or whatever) and be able to discren specs to leak, so that kind of leak might not come to us for quite a while yet.
 
Aufhebung RPG said:
No, you have to be aware that most of the Chinese media is passing on second hand news from other countries' websites, if there are specs leaked it must be leaked by someone inside TSMC or Samsung.
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darthdiablo said:
That kind of leak would have to come from Nintendo or one of their internal documents. I don't think one can look at a Switch 2 (prototype or whatever) and be able to discren specs to leak, so that kind of leak might not come to us for quite a while yet.
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Thanks for the answer. Didn't fully know 😅
 
Steve said:
Wouldn’t it makes sense that we’ll be getting 2 SKU, instead on will hold more storage.

SKU 1: Regular joy-cons, 256GB storage.
SKU 2: Colored buttons and Joy-cons, 512GB storage.

Like the Wii U did something similar.
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Frankly that doesn't make any sense and the Wii U's attempt at it failed miserably. 😭
 
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"I mean, such info has been mentioned in some private discussions before this report."

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omniryu said:
Hmm, I know you say it isn't bad, but it feels they could have use this device for something else... like a pc handheld where it make sense. Maybe let it come with WINE installed. That seems more useful.
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it's actually possible to put windows on this. should be better than before now that WoA has been more developed. that would actually be a really interesting test case as a lower end WoA device
 
To whom it may concern:

Re: Launch of New Hybrid Game Machine

Nintendo Co., Ltd will launch a system to succeed the Nintendo Switch during the fiscal year ending March 2025. The new hybrid game machine will include backwards compatibility so that software for the Nintendo Switch family of systems, which have sold a cumulative 14X.X million units as of March 2024, can continue to be enjoyed.

We are planning to announce additional details during a Nintendo Direct broadcast scheduled for June 2024.
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~ Nintendo on May 7th, probably
 
ILikeFeet said:
it's actually possible to put windows on this. should be better than before now that WoA has been more developed. that would actually be a really interesting test case as a lower end WoA device
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Yeah, I just remember WoA. I think that would be a nice test. It just wouldn't be me who would do it.
Aufhebung RPG said:
Interestingly, a Nintendo-related KOL in China speculated that magnets might also be involved in the new gameplay.Hmmm..., we'll see.
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Hmm, interesting.
 
Oh, people still think there is such a thing as a switch 2? Switch is eternal!
(Eternal suffering...)

the elektromagnets sound....weird.
I guess I'm out of my debts, isn't 5v to little for a powerful magnet to hold it together?
and doesn't it need a nonignorable amount of power? It would help the survivability of falling switches, I guess they had to service a lot of rails...
 
As a frequent user of the MagSafe charging stuff on iPhone, those magnets are pretty powerful. I would trust Joy-Cons to stay attached with them
 
Also further proof that Pyoro's source is backend access to nintendo's e-shop is the fact that they can't verify it yet because any official announcement isn't happening for at least a few months so nintendo has no reason to put Switch 2 stuff on their e-shop just yet.
 
As long as I don't have to tell my doctor that I messed up my ICD by playing video games, Nintendo can use all the magnets they want.

omniryu said:
Edit: this was a clone messaged.

Now it is about Megaman Legend remaster.

Megaman Legend remaster for the Switch 2!!!
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Legends 1+2 plus Tron Bonne collection, let's go~
 
omniryu said:
ماذا عن وضع هذا في علامة مستخدم التسجيل. دعونا لا نضيق نطاق البحث عن نينجا نينتندو. سأقوم بتحرير هذا في غضون 10 دقائق.
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そして、忍者をだますことによって、彼らは忍者自身になりました。
 
SoldierDelta said:
However much excitement you have, I can rival/surpass it. I believe the most likely release from Monolith Soft for the launch year is Xenoblade X or that New IP, but like... both of those sound really nice to have. Allowing Monolith to finally be unshackled from 7th Gen hardware sounds amazing, especially since they were the first to really push those boundaries and refine them to a fine point with Xenoblade X in 2015 to Xenoblade 3 in 2022. Give them that power, and I might pass out from the sheer joy I'll feel.

Regardless, that announcement trailer where we end up speculating over what those new titles will be is going to be the most exciting moment since the First Look trailer in 2016. I genuinely cannot wait.
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Oh hell yeah, that's why I am looking forward to it. If everything that was rumoured in the past it true, then the next game will be utterly amazing. I want to replay the Xenoblade games again.
 
Hermii said:
Yep that is my impression. I don't think many devs have issues with the gpu power gap.
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BreakAtmo said:
Isn't the biggest issue with the Series S actually the terrible amount of RAM?
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That is certainly a big issue, but the Series S has more RAM than last gen consoles. It's not a problem with the absolute numbers, the problem is the gap between the two platforms they have to support.

At the bottom of the Drake curve is 300MHz, 900 GFLOPS. This is in the realm of "Overclocked Mariko" territory. At the top of the curve is something like 1.3GHz, 4TFLOPS, the on-paper Series S number. That's a cross-gen level of gap. Forcing every game to come to the platform to be cross-gen isn't impossible, but it will lead to one side of the platform getting shafted by third parties.

Nintendo really needs games to perform consistently well in both modes for the hardware to be appealing. That huge performance gap is just begging for third parties, who have no incentive to make Nintendo look good, to consistently favor cheaper ports which only work well on docked. Nintendo would be handing third parties the gun to shoot them in the foot with.

By pulling docked mode and handheld closer together, Nintendo might raise the cost of ports, but also raises their average quality. Developers might have to do a little more work to get their games working well on the limited hardware, but the two modes are close enough, and the screens different enough, that supporting both modes is about as easy as supporting one mode.

The hardware sells better, because handheld and docked work equally well, the bigger install base means a better return on third party investment, which makes the slightly more expensive ports more worth it.

Again, technically, Nintendo can do anything they want. But I assume what they want is another device where switching really works, and that heavily pulls them in the direction of balancing the modes.


BreakAtmo said:
I agree it wouldn't be super efficient - I was just thinking that targeting 4x the resolution in docked mode would at least give them something to aim for. Hopefully they'd all be using dynamic resolutions, so the extra 10w would just make that a bit higher than otherwise.
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Oh sure, I get what you're saying. The efficiency issue is just that costs go up (bigger cooling system, lower chip yields) faster than performance does. So you just have to ask when you think Nintendo will decide they've got the best bang for the buck. Sure, a vapour chamber might me a small added cost. But so is a better WiFi antennae, so is a better kickstand, or an improved screen, or metal casings. It's not just about the best bang for the buck within one aspect of the cooling system, but the best spend of the project's total budget.
 
Apenknul said:
What if that new front button would be used to stream the gameplay into 3D or VR Headset. Like I mentioned in my concept, only with just the press of a button. 👀
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Interesting idea, but next gen VR shouldn't launch at the same time as switch2.
 
VintoWin said:
This makes me think the Switch 2 is coming this year. Pyoro never even commented on the delay rumors AFAIK. (Please correct me if I'm wrong)
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Then why would NatetheHate, Midori, Brazil all of the gaming outlets talk about the Switch 2 Delay being confirm.

Like... Might it be that Nintendo told lesser studios, like EA and Ubisoft to wait, because Nintendo wants a quality launch and line ups... Like man, even i don't know.
 
Steve said:
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I don't think this is necessarily a good thing. It just means that this specific collection of bullet points has been DM'd around between people previously. And we possibly saw it surface in a few places: Vandal, Mobapad, and a poster in this thread. But that doesn't mean the information is true, just that somebody was spreading it far and wide and eventually a few people bit and shared it.

It could be true. I can tell most people are going to accept it as true, and probably think that I just don't believe any leaks ever, but that's not the case. There's already plenty of precedent for specific blocks of information going around "behind the scenes" that end up not being true. If what I think may be happening is happening, then other, more reliable sources have likely also been sent this information, but chose not to publish it, because they couldn't verify it and didn't trust the source. I've watched this process play out with several such blocks of text that fortunately never saw the light of day, or sometimes did, but only on one YouTube channel presented as rumor and quickly forgotten.

There's nothing unexpected here, and I wouldn't be surprised if this was all factual. But I wouldn't be surprised if it wasn't, either, so I think people should keep that possibility in the back of their minds, especially when it comes to anticipating an imminent reveal based on the assumption that this info is real.
 
ok so the floodgates are officially bursting at the seams. very exciting, a few thoughts/speculations...

  • the magnet thing is the gimmick. there is more we don't know about this functionality, attaching joycons is a basic thing but this will somehow be tied into other input devices & gameplay features.
  • maybe Switch Attach is actually the name? would be funny if so and while it's not sexy it makes sense in relation to the magnet thing.
  • manufacturing is very close to starting, the hardware is final. everything is proceeding as if it was a 2024 launch (though it's still early 2025). announcement & reveal will be in the next couple of months.
  • the 'July' funcle. seems like the chap knew something but they did not explicitly say mass production was starting in July simply that something was 'shipping' in July. this could mean the particular component they were working with or finished units, it wasn't clear.
  • timing of new leaks relative to manufacturing, Korean rumours coincidentally drop just before this new batch of information. not saying it's credible but the timing is interesting so maybe there's something to them.

given what we know the new device does feel iterative especially if there's no new Pro controller or more drastic overhaul of the Joycons. no problem but it seems fair to presume the wait has been all about the software all along.
 
Steve said:
Then why would NatetheHate, Midori, Brazil all of the gaming outlets talk about the Switch 2 Delay being confirm.

Like... Might it be that Nintendo told lesser studios, like EA and Ubisoft to wait, because Nintendo wants a quality launch and line ups... Like man, even i don't know.
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I don't think NatetheHate corroborated the rumor either. Just Brazil and VGC..and uh bloomberg...and one other?? (Please correct if wrong)
 
Steve said:
Then why would NatetheHate, Midori, Brazil all of the gaming outlets talk about the Switch 2 Delay being confirm.

Like... Might it be that Nintendo told lesser studios, like EA and Ubisoft to wait, because Nintendo wants a quality launch and line ups... Like man, even i don't know.
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Nintendo already has told us the date…
 
Is magnets better? I get you’ll be able to make all kinds of magnet controls to stick on your Switch 2.

Won’t the magnets lose their magnetic properties over time?
 
eye0h said:
Thank you NateTheHate alt twitter.
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More like "NateTheAlt".

Regarding the "Nintendo Connect", I wouldn't mind too much. Just need the trailer to be as clear as the Switch one (which destroyed 5 years of ass marketing in 3 minutes).
 
My big problem with it still coming in 2024 is that Nintendo would have said something during the initial delay rumors. Their stock was dropping a notable amount and they didn't even bother with a paltry "this report is inaccurate" response.
 
darthdiablo said:
I could be mistaken but I’ve never known Pyoro to be someone who leaks or knows stuff about hardware - only software (games)
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In all fairness, there was no reasonable time for him to do so. He might if he had the info, the problem is that we have no information proving it one way or the other.
 
Paxie said:
My big problem with it still coming in 2024 is that Nintendo would have said something during the initial delay rumors. Their stock was dropping a notable amount and they didn't even bother with a paltry "this report is inaccurate" response.
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Well, it has surely an positive surprising effect if everyone expects 2025 and the launch in 2024.
 
SoldierDelta said:
In all fairness, there was no reasonable time for him to do so. He might if he had the info, the problem is that we have no information proving it one way or the other.
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He joined Twitter on March 2021.

SWOLED was announced July 2021.

There was this timeframe he could have mentioned SWOLED if he was privy to that info.

I really think his access is limited to games in general.
 
oldpuck said:
Nintendo really needs games to perform consistently well in both modes for the hardware to be appealing. That huge performance gap is just begging for third parties, who have no incentive to make Nintendo look good, to consistently favor cheaper ports which only work well on docked. Nintendo would be handing third parties the gun to shoot them in the foot with.
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You know that's where I have been short sighted. When it comes to performance I would only think of Dock mode and you're thinking of both portable and dock, you're right.

oldpuck said:
Again, technically, Nintendo can do anything they want. But I assume what they want is another device where switching really works, and that heavily pulls them in the direction of balancing the modes.
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I think it all depends on what lesson Nintendo learned.
  1. They learned they can garner third party support so they work on giving the performance they need.
  2. They keep the same " take it or leave it approach. We work on something we think is ok enough for us, if you want to make game for us, cool. If not, we don't care.
I think it is the former. Monster Hunter Rise sold millions and half of their software sells are third party. Not to mention that the Switch is the first gen where games tool it up a big notch also had one of the worst performance from their system (excluding 64, they were just starting out). I think their dev want more power so they can do what they want without sacrificing performance. That's including gamefreak.
 
darthdiablo said:
He joined Twitter on March 2021.

SWOLED was announced July 2021.

There was this timeframe he could have mentioned SWOLED if he was privy to that info.

I really think his access is limited to games in general.
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When he started leaking with the June 2023 Direct, he mentioned he bought the account off of someone else. The Pyoro we know probably didn't start posting till then
 
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