Maybe they'll be too busy getting ready for their own eventWell, the chances of actual seeing ReDraketed this summer turned a littlebit slimmer, Nintendo won't attend GamesCom 2024 as an exhibitor.
Hiobsbotschaft für die gamescom 2024: Dieser Big Player ist nicht dabei
Nintendo hat angekündigt, dass man in diesem Jahr nicht an der gamescom teilnehmen wird!www.eurogamer.de
If they're demonstrating development tools to devs at Gamescom 2024, rather than some form of devkits and documentation already being in developers hands at that point, then something has gone badly wrong. Not being present at Gamescom is completely meaningless to Switch 2 plans, because Directs have completely displaced games conferences for this kind of presentation.
You were never going to get this fantasy "cutting edge" system. They're mass manufacturing hardware that requires months/years of advance planning in combination with drawing a line under a target spec so that they have a schedule of 1st and 3rd party software to roll out in the first 12+ months, while also juggling the need to keep Switch 1 ticking over until that time.
I'm sure if you laid it out to them as such DF would probably agree with you - but there is little incentive for them to wade further into the discussion ahead of the hardware details being confirmed. The only thanks they'll get, even if they're later proven right, is the most feral console warriors on earth dismissing any positive claims about Nintendo hardware performance.
A good rule of thumb for US bulk shipping from east asian assemblers is $3-$5 per kilogram of weight. Let's assume MS and Sony both get the cheapest possible version, $3. That means the base Xbox Series X, and the original PS5 hardware cost $13.50 to ship to the States.
A few things on the matter of the Xbox family. Xbox Series X has a smaller retail box than even the slimmest PS5 (Digital Edition Slim) and has already had revisions to shrink the heat sink since launch. While they haven't taken advantage of a die shrink yet, they're definitely keeping the weight and materials question in mind. It also helps they have the smallest, lightest console on the market making up a majority of their growth. The Xbox Series X cooling system is also very small, especially next to PS5, but even next to the Slim model family, so in a way it's difficult for them to shave off more than they already have.
Right now I am hoping for an early May "reveal" (at least the name or concept) and a summer presentation.
I mean...nothing happening has been a staple during console generation transitions...
I‘m the one who said that (I think?), as I searched for anyone else who phrased it that way, but that’s just the way I’ve seen some loose comments or answers being transformed into something that’s confirmed or definitive at times, hence the term; gospel
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Here's my thing. This is for the people who are too eager for the next gen. You guys really need to work on yourself if it is really bothering you that much that we get little to no information on the NGS. What happens in the future when games take longer to make? We are in territory of where games can be delayed up to 10 years. Also, Nintendo is making sure no one yaps. You can't blame them for that. This isn't a Nintendo problem it is a you problem. Fix it and this isn't toward you SiG.
Wasn't it Sony who started the Domino affect of E3 Dying or was it Nintendo?
Might be the biggest insult by a major gaming company in the past decade
Nintendo stopped doing physical conferences in 2013, Sony pulled out altogether in 2019, and the pandemic was the real opening of the floodgates. E3 would have likely died off slowly regardless, but like many things in life, the pandemic made publishers question why they even needed a physical show in the first place.
Both, kinda? Sony was the one who said "Wait, we do not need this" and stopped attending the show, but Nintendo was the one who decided livestreaming pre-recorded conferences was the way to go long before then.
probably because of this E3 Demo. Like the switch 2 presentation should be live though
The difference with the PS5 and Xbox Series is that they're essentially midrange PCs. AMD just asks them for a performance target, and they can whip up whatever combination of CPU and GPU power is necessary based on their existing APU architectures. Because Nvidia only makes huge car and robot SoCs anymore, they had to completely Ship-of-Theseus Orin into Drake, which also requires cooperation with Arm because Nvidia doesn't make its own CPUs, and they have to hit Nintendo's very strict battery life and size requirements, and they also have to get vendors for screens, all of the stuff in Joy-Cons, etc. That takes a lot more in R&D than a PlayStation or Xbox.
And Nintendo is too big of a video game company to not use internally developed game engines. No nead to pay fees for using externa engines.
I play other games. But preferably not with a 2017 frame rate and resolution.
Maybe that subset of gamers who ran the ESA, but I'm not sure why anyone else would take it as a slight.
I understand what others are saying and why the strategy you're asking for may be a fantasy... But I have to agree with you there. I already thought early 2025 was pushing it for a chip packing custom 2022 tech, but in the absolute nightmare scenario this thing is indeed a late 2025 launch... It'll be missing (nearly) three generations of improvements and overall future-proofness since Nvidia's machine learning is constantly evolving and leaving old architectures in the dust, Ampere already can't use frame gen and dual issue as it is... DLSS4 and beyond starts seeming like a huge ask real quick. In comparison, the TX1 was only one generation behind (Maxwell 2.0>Pascal).
A hypothetical AD10F Drake likely wouldn't have used Frame Generation anyways. Nvidia only recommends it above 60 or more fps native, since the input lag and frame smearing at 60 fps would be a much worse experience than just rendering it at 30. That's why the PS5 and Xbox Series X don't use Fluid Motion Frames despite being more than capable architecturally. It's a feature designed for discrete graphics cards, not integrated console GPUs.
I'm aware, just used it as an example of how much a single architecture can shake up things. Now imagine two and a half, full on three if the 8nm doomerism has some truth to it? That's no longer futureproof in the slightest, to be honest.
"Future-proof" is relative. The PS4 and Xbox One have garbage CPUs even by 2013 standards, but games are still getting made for those systems. I think it's reasonable to expect the Switch 2 to function as a low target profile for the rest of the 9th generation and well into the 10th.
The CPUs were indeed, but even then they weren't outdated, it's the best AMD could offer at the time. The GPUs were as reasonably modern as possible... Not directly comparable but again, it's somehow uncomfortable to entertain such a possibility at the moment. Early 2025 must be the time... Please lord let it be.
So anytime after it releases it will still be seen as outdated past the first few months it's released? Idk
Technology is slowing down, so I think this is a very reasonable and perhaps even likely outcome. The system after next is well into the 2030s. That said, "Nintendo as a platform" could be more of a thing, and we could see things like the Tegra X1+ revision equivalents actually having a little more power available, with the launch model's handheld mode serving as the "base" of compatibility for the generation.
Nintendo were fully present at the show floor for all the years that was relevant. Contrary to popular belief, the part that they "pulled out of" back in the Wii U/3DS era isn't even properly part of the show, and they replaced it with other live events that better took advantage of the format like Treehouse Live and tournaments.
And Nintendo is working with the best thing that Nvidia can offer. What's the difference?
probably the psychological aspect of the A78 now being the "mid-core". but the X-series is big and power hungry with worse efficiency
And the Cortex-A710 and the Cortex-A715 were actually worse than the Cortex-A78 at lower watts, which Arm indirectly admitted by comparing the Cortex-A720 with the Cortex-A78.
Nvidia could definitely offer something better by then (late 2025). It might need an expensive new tapeout however which Nintendo might not want to do even with an 18-24 months headstart. You're all right hence "I understand", it's what it is.
what could nvidia possibly offer thats better than what nintendos going with atm?
what is that better supposed to be? we don't know if they're even moving to 3nm for Blackwell or if it'll still be a 5nm design. ARM hasn't improved their CPUs by a significant amount on the same node (though @Dakhil shown they made some improvements in power per mm2). there's LPDDR6, I guess. but we need to wait and see how it actually performs first
An expensive new tapeout being necessary kinda goes to show that "technically, they could whip up something better" isn't all that meaningful. Nintendo isn't clairvoyant, there will always be a risk of unforeseen circumstances. (And that's assuming that late 2025 is set in stone in the first place, when we're not at the stage where we can determine that.)
How much of a performance jump is it from 4 nm to 3? Just a random question
LPDDR6, FP4 (dual issue) and better future-proofing for DLSS features to boot. We still don't know ARM's cpu schedule for 2025, so that can't be verified at the moment. A proper 2025-ish handheld would be an improvement by architecture alone, that's just how far Ampere is expected to fall below the curve at the current pace... But again, late 2025 isn't exactly the most reassuring date to speculate about.
There's the Blackwell architecture, which Nvidia's using for Thor.
Not everything is about checking off boxes on a spec sheet. You still need to make hardware that costs money and plays games. You haven't mentioned yet a technology which either cost less money, play same games or cost same money, play game better.
LPDDR6 and Blackwell's release schedules aren't out either, but that didn't stop you there
But we do know that the 2025 ARM processor won't have 32-bit support. So if Nintendo waited for that, they'd have to give up on backwards compatibility with Switch 1 software.
I already reiterated that we don't know enough about late 2025 to make any real hardware speculation out of it, we don't even know what Blackwell will offer to begin with... I think calling it a non-jump over the three years old Ampere is extremely premature, perhaps too much. The point is that three years of improvements are what they are, they're very much tangible and T239 will be missing them entirely, it already cannot be considered anything remotely "top of the line" by then, by definition. Excellent performer as everyone knows? Indeed, but that's that.
