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So, does that mean the CPU caches are set in stone and known if they're using the octa-core A78C configuration?
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Arm offers two Cortex-A78C configurations: one with 6 CPU cores or one with 8 CPU cores.Cortex-A78C
The Cortex-A78C CPU provides a scalable solution with advanced security features and large big-core configurations.developer.arm.com
Under L3 cache it says:
L3 Cache Optional, 512KB to 8MB
And I never said it would be a ground up core, I was only talking about amount of cache.
I still can't find a single source that says 8mb L3 is mandatory for the 8 core configuration.
RodneyPump
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Honestly, scrolling shoulders sounds like it could be a bit awful at worst, uninteresting at best
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Wrong.
Ghostsonplanets
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Joy-Cons don't have the free area for the gears necessary for this. So I assume Nintendo would do something like capacitive touch L/R1 button + HD Rumble to simulate a scrolling button.
Edit: Assuming, of course, that they will do scrolling button, of course.
Edit: Assuming, of course, that they will do scrolling button, of course.
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For this reason, that there are just so many things, it's going to be a pain whether or not there is a scroll wheel. If anything it might be worse since your finger has to do more work to scroll through, versus holding a button.
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Sakurai just made a YouTube video about the potential of scrolling shoulder buttons. It would really good for things like menu navigation as well as stuff like driving. A scroll wheel can also be pressed down like a regular shoulder button so it's not like we're losing functionality with it.
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He didn't just say potential tho, he specifically said why actual scroll wheel buttons wouldn't work well.
Lugia667
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it was not only just revealed but is already out
They decide the Sega Saturn strategy was too weak
YugamiSekai
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I could see it being awful for the same reason analog triggers would be awful, making games that require quick input with shoulder buttons more clunky and awkward (e.g. rhythm games).
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Now hold on, it would be fine if it's capacitive!
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And this is why I keep saying! Capacitive, pressure sensitive shoulder buttons!
Quick response for the triggers, which can be left digital, a scrolling surface, and pressure sensitivity for analogue input!
They don't need to sacrifice usability, nor features, they can have them all! Pressure sensitive capacitive shoulder buttons!
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Also Sakurai specifically mentions why actual scroll wheels wouldn't work.
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Plus, MORE moving parts that can get dirt stuck in them sounds like an awful idea after the Joy-Con control stick fiasco!
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I'm tired of controller functions that barely any games will end up using honestly.
Especially something that introduces another point of failure on a controller.
Especially something that introduces another point of failure on a controller.
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I'm not directly replying to your post, but here's a pretty good article on how L3 cache impacts gaming (not the same as the previous article I posted).
Does L3 Cache Matter for Gaming? An In-Depth Look - 33rd Square
Hey there! If you‘re building or upgrading your gaming PC, you may be wondering - does L3 cache really matter that much for gaming performance? As a
www.33rdsquare.com
Cache is essentially a small pool of memory right on the CPU die itself, which stores frequently accessed data for rapid access by the processor cores.
When you‘re gaming, the CPU needs to provide a steady stream of data to the GPU to keep those frame rates high. This is where L3 cache comes into play.
The GPU is crunching graphics and physics calculations at insane speeds. It needs to be continuously fed with the latest game data like textures, 3D models, terrain geometry, and more.
L3 cache acts as a data reservoir close to the CPU cores, so this info can be accessed in nanoseconds rather than the 100+ nanosecond trip out to RAM. Those precious fractions of seconds make all the difference for maintaining high FPS.
There are different cache levels:
- L1 cache – Extremely fast but smallest in capacity, embedded per core
- L2 cache – Faster than L3 and shared between cores
- L3 cache – Largest and slowest cache, shared by all cores
- Prevents bottlenecks – On-die cache feeding the GPU prevents the external memory bus from getting maxed out and causing latency
- Smooths frame rates – By reducing delays in data access, L3 cache helps avoid stuttering and FPS drops during intense gaming sequences
- Copes with complex scenes – Larger caches help keep framerates high in open world games rendering detailed scenery and geometry
- Great for multiplayer – Fast response times from cached data give you split-second advantages in competitive online games
Quantifying the Gaming Performance Impact
Just how much of a performance boost does extra L3 cache provide? Let‘s look at some revealing examples. Here are gaming benchmarks in Assassin‘s Creed Valhalla for otherwise comparable AMD Ryzen CPUs with differing L3 cache sizes:| CPU | Cores/Threads | L3 Cache | Avg FPS (1080p) |
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| Ryzen 9 5950X | 16/32 | 64MB | 106 fps |
| Ryzen 9 5900X | 12/24 | 64MB | 105 fps |
| Ryzen 7 5800X3D | 8/16 | 96MB | 113 fps |
| Ryzen 7 5800X | 8/16 | 32MB | 103 fps |
Here‘s another example pitting Intel 12th Gen against AMD Ryzen CPUs in Grand Theft Auto V:
| CPU | L3 Cache | Avg FPS (1080p Ultra) |
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| Core i9-12900KS | 30MB | 189 fps |
| Ryzen 9 5950X | 64MB | 193 fps |
| Core i5-12600K | 20MB | 177 fps |
Why Bigger Caches Improve Gaming
You‘re probably getting the picture now that when it comes to L3 cache, bigger is generally better for gaming. There are a few reasons why larger cache sizes pay dividends:- More data cached – Bigger L3 size means more textures, maps and game physics can be stored locally rather than in slower RAM
- Feeds data faster – Larger cache reduces latency, allowing quicker delivery of data to GPU
- Handles complex scenes – Open world games with large environments especially benefit from capacious L3
- Multicore scaling – With more CPU cores, you need proportionally more L3 cache to feed them all
Does L3 Cache Matter for Gaming? An In-Depth Look - 33rd Square
Hey there! If you‘re building or upgrading your gaming PC, you may be wondering - does L3 cache really matter that much for gaming performance? As a
www.33rdsquare.com
We also have to ask ourselves how does L1 and L2 help with games too, and in comparison to current gen consoles. And how much will we have of each.
A78c could give us 32 or 64KB of L1 cache, and 256 or 512KB of L2 cache, and as low as 512kb to 8mb cache of L3 (we don't know the denominations)
https://developer.arm.com/Processors/Cortex-A78C
I know that cache was discussed here before several times, but perhaps it was just based more so on L1 and L2 cache, and not as much on L3..
it's pretty exciting to think of the possibilities of much it could help with Switch 2's RAM bottleneck by helping to increase framerate and stability at least. Truth be told I'm not sure if those AMD and Intel CPU benchmarks are the best example, but it can help no doubt.
it would be interesting to talk about ESRAM and DRAM as well, as they could both help with RAM bottlenecks. ESRAM is more expensive and larger and it's in the Xbone, while the latter is on the Wii U and behaves like L3 cache. ESRAM helped boost xbone's bandwidth quite a bit...
Not expecting them to be on switch 2.
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TheMindOfThomas
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Inb4 we get scroll wheels but it's not usable in backward compatible games, thus not usable in Tears of the Kingdom.
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One possible idea, what if the Joy-Con grip 2 had a touch-sensitive area on the center piece, to be used as a trackpad. It wouldn't be difficult to make the joycons send a small charge to the grip in addition to having a data connection to receive the inputs. The Pro Controller 2 could have a trackpad like the dualshock 4 and dualsense. I think it might have more use than a scroll wheel.
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Piranha Plant
Do we know if Sony has any patents that would prevent Nintendo from implementing the same upgrades Sony added to the PS5 controller? I dont have one so I'm not familiar with details but I hear the triggers and rumble are noticeably really good? Assuming they would want to, is there any IP law issue preventing Nintendo from doing the same?
ShadowFox08
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Following up with my previous pos that I just quoted:
We talked about cache way back in August.
@Hermii You asked @Dakhil How much would price configurations of L3 cache would be. The biggest advantage that A78c has over A78 and A78E is that it offers 8MB cache vs Orion's 4MB of L3 cache on the A78s on Orion.
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Another poster else says that A78c also supports 4MB of cache. Dakhil gives a nice opinion reply on L3 and L2 cache:
To play devil's advocate, I think giving the CPU 8 MB of L3 cache is probably going to help mitigate the issue of RAM bandwidth to a degree since I think a CPU with 8 MB of L3 cache won't be as reliant on the RAM as a CPU with 4 MB of L3 cache.
The Nintendo Switch's biggest bottlenecks are the CPU (the amount of CPU cores and the CPU frequency) and the RAM bandwidth (the RAM amount and the RAM bandwidth). I think Nintendo can easily remedy the amount of CPU cores and the RAM amount. But I expect the CPU frequency and the RAM bandwidth to still be the major bottlenecks for Nintendo's new hardware, although not to the same degree as with the Nintendo Switch. (That's why I think giving the GPU 4 MB of L2 cache (same as Orin's GPU) vs 1 MB of L2 cache is ideal.)
And I don't think die size is a huge issue, especially if Nintendo and Nvidia did decide to fabricate Drake using TSMC's 4N process node.
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We definitely talked more about L2 cache, perhaps more so than L3 before. @ReddDreadtheLead When I brought up multiple configurations of L3 cache (which has been talked about before), I think I really meant L2 cache at the time. XD
@Alovon11 speculates how much cache T239 could have, which could be more than current gen consoles:
yeah, the main reason bandwidth becomes important again in the modern day is when tile based rendering isn't used, or when a GPU doesn't have enough cache to fit the tiles for the image without stalling/having to go to memory.
Thankfully, T239 (should) have more cache per mm^2 than any of the next gen consoles, and def more Cache/HW Component.
- T239
- CPU:
- Up to 1MB L1, 4MBs L2, and 8MB L3 (Shared with GPU)
- GPU:
- ??? L0, 1.5MB L1, 1MB L2, and 8MB L3 (Shared with CPU)
- And assuming NVIDIA is following best practices for an ARM SoC, a System-Level Cache. The size of which can be assumed at a minimum of 4MB like Orin.
- So, the GPU has a total of 14.5MB of Cache accessible in that scenario, the Allocation of the 8MB L3 likely changing depending on if a scene is heavily CPU or GPU bound, or if it can work in a balanced state.
- CPU:
- Series S
- CPU (Guessing based on the 4800S and Renoir SoCs of similar spec):
- 512kb L1 split in 2 for Instruction/Data, 4MB L2, 8MB L3.
- GPU (Extrapolating from the RDNA2 Architecture Guide):
- 320KB L0, 512KB L1 (Assuming 4 Shader Arrays), 2MB L2
- So, the GPU only has its own cache to work with and lacks an L3 or SysLC to draw from. So, it's stuck with its 2.53MB of Cache, and the CPU is missing half a meg of L1 before you get to the lack of SysLC.
- CPU (Guessing based on the 4800S and Renoir SoCs of similar spec):
- PS5
- CPU (Guessing mainly looking at the 4700S as the PS5's CPU looks more similar to Desktop Z2 but un-chipleted than the 4800S which is just Renoir. Although it likely isn't too dissimilar);
- 256KB L0, 512KB L1, 4MB L2, 8MB L3
- GPU:
- GPU: 648KB L0, 1MB L1, 2MB L2
- CPU (Guessing mainly looking at the 4700S as the PS5's CPU looks more similar to Desktop Z2 but un-chipleted than the 4800S which is just Renoir. Although it likely isn't too dissimilar);
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The rumble technology is from the same company holding the same parents, it's not exclusive.
The triggers however they... Should not copy. Nintendo's biggest shooter is Splatoon, which depends on an instant reaction digital trigger.
conabe
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This is not true, unless you have very very close ties to and/or work for Nintendo. The Switch doesn't even appear until you are accepted. While this page exists, the appearance of "NX2" is clearly an inspect element job.Apparently NX 2 shows as an option on Nintendo Developer Portal
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Piranha Plant
Thanks for explaining! Do you mean the same company behind Joycon HD rumble is behind PS5 rumble?
If so that makes me feel like it's quite likely we can expect it on Switch 2 right? Any reasons not to be hopeful for this?
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This was already discussed and denied ages ago bro
From what I know devs allowed to develop for next hardware have a different access to NDP (Nintendo Developer Portal)
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Yes.
Not necessarily...
See the Joy-Con use HD Rumble motors to begin with because they're thin and small. They give you more feedback with less volume. The PS5 controller is massive, and it takes advantages of this by having WAY bigger motors. If the controller can't fit big motors, then you're going to get less pronounced rumble. PlayStation rumble is also assisted by its speaker and adaptive triggers, something it's VERY unlikely NG Switch Joy-Con will have, especially the adaptive triggers (which ARE a Sony patent), because they're proprietary, large and technically complex.
NG Switch is likely to be bigger, and so too are its controllers. But they won't be DualSense big. Improved haptics over the original Switch? I think that's likely. But as good as PlayStation 5? You just can't cheat physics, so no.
Kise Ryota
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Thanks for explaining! Do you mean the same company behind Joycon HD rumble is behind PS5 rumble?
If so that makes me feel like it's quite likely we can expect it on Switch 2 right? Any reasons not to be hopeful for this?
AFAIK the tech is basically the same, it's just a matter of size. The hardware inside the dualsense is very big in comparison. If the joycons 2.0 are also thin like the current ones, it will be impossible to have a haptic feedback with the same 'impact'.
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Piranha Plant
Thank you both for explaining!
I'm happy with this, same as HD rumble or potentially better to some degree is good enough for me
I think HD rumble is really underrated and wish more people would show appreciation.
Xemoblade 2, Mr Shifty and Zelda Tears of the Kingdom all use it really nicely.
Hosermess
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Give them a break...they've still got over 800 pages to catch up on
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It's weird thinking about how much stuff is gonna be outright unknown until someone inevitably breaks their Switch just to get a die shot analysis, in what should hopefully be less than a year.Following up with my previous pos that I just quoted:
We talked about cache way back in August.
@Hermii You asked @Dakhil How much would price configurations of L3 cache would be. The biggest advantage that A78c has over A78 and A78E is that it offers 8MB cache vs Orion's 4MB of L3 cache on the A78s on Orion.
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Another poster else says that A78c also supports 4MB of cache. Dakhil gives a nice opinion reply on L3 and L2 cache:
To play devil's advocate, I think giving the CPU 8 MB of L3 cache is probably going to help mitigate the issue of RAM bandwidth to a degree since I think a CPU with 8 MB of L3 cache won't be as reliant on the RAM as a CPU with 4 MB of L3 cache.
The Nintendo Switch's biggest bottlenecks are the CPU (the amount of CPU cores and the CPU frequency) and the RAM bandwidth (the RAM amount and the RAM bandwidth). I think Nintendo can easily remedy the amount of CPU cores and the RAM amount. But I expect the CPU frequency and the RAM bandwidth to still be the major bottlenecks for Nintendo's new hardware, although not to the same degree as with the Nintendo Switch. (That's why I think giving the GPU 4 MB of L2 cache (same as Orin's GPU) vs 1 MB of L2 cache is ideal.)
And I don't think die size is a huge issue, especially if Nintendo and Nvidia did decide to fabricate Drake using TSMC's 4N process node.
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We definitely talked more about L2 cache, perhaps more so than L3 before. @ReddDreadtheLead When I brought up multiple configurations of L3 cache (which has been talked about before), I think I really meant L2 cache at the time. XD
Avalon speculates how much cache T239 could have
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The second part is bad. The first I think is great, as long as it's not costly or with other downsides. Every game having control limited to only things that 95% will use is... a limit.
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how confident are you that the Next Switch is coming in 2024, the pessimist on twitter and furukawa lack of acknowledgement is starting to get to me lolF
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Nothing Furukawa said suggested 2025.
And who is the “pessimist on Twitter” and why are we even giving that person credence, whoever it may be?
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This alone is proof of "The Switch is on its way out and we need some stuff to fill the gap before we drop the big boy later in the year"
ShadowFox08
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2024 is pretty much a shoe in at this point. The Switch will be more than 7 years old when switch 2 releases, which is unheard of from any console manufacturer, let alone Nintendo. Nintendo has never lasted this long on the home front, and I can't seem them try after 8 years. The Switch sales are in a downward trend. I think they managed to last this long because of covid and the supply chain issue.
I hate to admit it, but I'm personally thinking Q4 2024 is more likely than ever before. We can already rule out Q1 2024, since this console likely won't be shown until January at the earliest, and I think it's reasonable to expect 4.5-6 months after the first reveal. So Q3 or Q4 seems most likely. I just don't like to wait that long
You better be right or else I'll...drown in my sorrows with some orange juice.
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Ahh, capacitance... Just needs a button with pressure sensitivity and we're golden.
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Later in the year? We're already looking at an early 2024 full of games that fit the same bill post-Switch 3DS games.This alone is proof of "The Switch is on its way out and we need some stuff to fill the gap before we drop the big boy later in the year"
They're not slop!
But they're... You know.
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I think the fastest likely turnaround is 3 months, which means it could still hit March, but that's just extremely unlikely at this point. I still think April is possible, though, with a January reveal.2024 is pretty much a shoe in at this point. The Switch will be more than 7 years old when switch 2 releases, which is unheard of from any console manufacturer, let alone Nintendo. Nintendo has never lasted this long on the home front, and I can't seem them try after 8 years. The Switch sales are in a downward trend. I think they managed to last this long because of covid and the supply chain issue.
I hate to admit it, but I'm personally thinking Q4 2024 is more likely than ever before. We can already rule out Q1 2024, since this console likely won't be shown until January at the earliest, and I think it's reasonable to expect 4.5-6 months after the first reveal. So Q3 or Q4 seems most likely. I just don't like to wait that long
These games are great. Sorry but this is not a good post of yours.This alone is proof of "The Switch is on its way out and we need some stuff to fill the gap before we drop the big boy later in the year"
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Let's look at 2016-2017 titles for Wii U and 3DS (first party only)
As we can see majority of the last first party titles released on Wii U and 3DS were ports/remakes and a couple of new games (Color Splash, TMS:FE etc)
Wii U:
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2017
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2016
2017
Now, let's look at Switch.
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2024
As we can see majority of the last first party titles released on Wii U and 3DS were ports/remakes and a couple of new games (Color Splash, TMS:FE etc)
Wii U:
2016:
| Release Date | Game Title |
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| 04 Mar 2016 | The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess HD |
| 18 Mar 2016 | Pokkén Tournament |
| 22 Apr 2016 | Star Fox Zero |
| 24 Jun 2016 | Mario & Sonic at the Rio 2016 Olympic Games |
| 24 Jun 2016 | Tokyo Mirage Sessions ♯FE |
| 07 Oct 2016 | Paper Mario: Color Splash |
2017
| Release Date | Game Title |
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| 03 Mar 2017 | The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild |
3DS:
2016
| Release Date | Game Title |
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| 22 Jan 2016 | Mario & Luigi: Paper Jam |
| 19 Feb 2016 | Fire Emblem Fates: Birthright |
| 19 Feb 2016 | Fire Emblem Fates: Conquest |
| 10 Mar 2016 | Fire Emblem Fates: Revelation |
| 18 Mar 2016 | Mario & Sonic at the Rio 2016 Olympic Games |
| 25 Mar 2016 | Hyrule Warriors Legends |
| 15 Apr 2016 | Bravely Second: End Layer |
| 29 Apr 2016 | Pokémon Rumble World |
| 13 May 2016 | Disney Art Academy |
| 10 Jun 2016 | Kirby: Planet Robobot |
| 15 Jun 2016 | Rhythm Heaven Megamix |
| 19 Aug 2016 | Metroid Prime: Federation Force |
| 19 Aug 2016 | Style Savvy: Fashion Forward |
| 01 Sep 2016 | Picross 3D Round 2 |
| 16 Sep 2016 | Dragon Quest VII: Fragments of the Forgotten Past |
| 30 Sep 2016 | YO-KAI WATCH 2: Bony Spirits |
| 30 Sep 2016 | YO-KAI WATCH 2: Fleshy Souls |
| 04 Nov 2016 | Mario Party: Star Rush |
| 18 Nov 2016 | Pokémon Moon |
| 18 Nov 2016 | Pokémon Sun |
| 02 Dec 2016 | Super Mario Maker for Nintendo 3DS |
2017
| Date | Game Title |
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| 20 Jan 2017 | Dragon Quest VIII: Journey of the Cursed King |
| 03 Feb 2017 | Poochy & Yoshi's Woolly World |
| 24 Mar 2017 | Mario Sports Superstars |
| 19 May 2017 | Fire Emblem Echoes: Shadows of Valentia |
| 23 Jun 2017 | Ever Oasis |
| 28 Jul 2017 | Hey! Pikmin |
| 28 Jul 2017 | Miitopia |
| 15 Sep 2017 | Metroid: Samus Returns |
| 29 Sep 2017 | YO-KAI WATCH 2: Psychic Specters |
| 06 Oct 2017 | Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga + Bowser's Minions |
| 20 Oct 2017 | Fire Emblem Warriors |
| 10 Nov 2017 | Mario Party: The Top 100 |
| 17 Nov 2017 | Pokémon: Ultra Moon |
| 17 Nov 2017 | Pokémon: Ultra Sun |
Now, let's look at Switch.
2023
| Release Date | Game Title |
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| 20 Jan 2023 | Fire Emblem Engage |
| 22 Feb 2023 | Metroid Prime Remastered |
| 24 Feb 2023 | Kirby's Return to Dream Land Deluxe |
| 17 Mar 2023 | Bayonetta Origins: Cereza and the Lost Demon |
| 21 Apr 2023 | Advance Wars 1 + 2: Re-Boot Camp |
| 13 May 2023 | The Legend of Zelda: Tears of the Kingdom |
| 30 Jun 2023 | Everybody 1-2-Switch! |
| 21 Jul 2023 | Pikmin 4 |
| 22 Sep 2023 | Pikmin 1+2 |
| 06 Oct 2023 | Detective Pikachu Returns |
| 20 Oct 2023 | Super Mario Bros. Wonder |
| 03 Nov 2023 | WarioWare: Move It! |
| 17 Nov 2023 | Super Mario RPG |
2024
| Release Date | Game Title |
|---|---|
| 19 Jan 2024 | Another Code: Recollection |
| 16 Feb 2024 | Mario vs. Donkey Kong |
| 22 Mar 2024 | Princess Peach Showtime! Luigi's Mansion 2 HD |
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Going back to Scrolling Shoulder buttons, and how it could relate to a game like Zelda TOTK, didn’t anyone at Nintendo ever think, “You know what else could work for managing Swords, Bows, and Shields? A fricking Wheel.”
Like seriously, using Doom/Doom Eternal as an example, it is super easy and simple to switch between weapons because of the wheel. Like Zelda, you hold down a button, and using an analog stick, you go between different weapons on hand.
I’m actually just flabbergasted Nintendo never considered this.
I know some of you may ask about when you increase the number of items, and how that’d work. Well, increase the size of the wheel. Simple.
And if THAT is too difficult, then employ the same design mechanic they used since freaking Ocarina of Time: You have a limited number of slots for your most used stuff. In the case of TOTK, make the wheel like I mentioned earlier, but maybe limit it to 8-10 items for the sword, bow, and shields, respectively.
Any one of those designs is better than the single file line of items in a sequential row that you cannot even loop back. But given they follow the same mindset towards the OS of the Switch, it’s about on point.
Nintendo: We’re not Apple, but we sure don’t always make it convenient for the consumer.
Like seriously, using Doom/Doom Eternal as an example, it is super easy and simple to switch between weapons because of the wheel. Like Zelda, you hold down a button, and using an analog stick, you go between different weapons on hand.
I’m actually just flabbergasted Nintendo never considered this.
I know some of you may ask about when you increase the number of items, and how that’d work. Well, increase the size of the wheel. Simple.
And if THAT is too difficult, then employ the same design mechanic they used since freaking Ocarina of Time: You have a limited number of slots for your most used stuff. In the case of TOTK, make the wheel like I mentioned earlier, but maybe limit it to 8-10 items for the sword, bow, and shields, respectively.
Any one of those designs is better than the single file line of items in a sequential row that you cannot even loop back. But given they follow the same mindset towards the OS of the Switch, it’s about on point.
Nintendo: We’re not Apple, but we sure don’t always make it convenient for the consumer.
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