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When is Switch 2 getting revealed?
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Just to add, Arm allows a configuration of 4 Cortex-X1C and 4 Cortex-A78C cores.That’s only with the X1C core configuration.
So, does that mean the CPU caches are set in stone and known if they're using the octa-core A78C configuration?
Arm offers two Cortex-A78C configurations: one with 6 CPU cores or one with 8 CPU cores.Cortex-A78C
The Cortex-A78C CPU provides a scalable solution with advanced security features and large big-core configurations.developer.arm.com
Under L3 cache it says:
L3 Cache Optional, 512KB to 8MB
And I never said it would be a ground up core, I was only talking about amount of cache.
I still can't find a single source that says 8mb L3 is mandatory for the 8 core configuration.
Wrong.Honestly, scrolling shoulders sounds like it could be a bit awful at worst, uninteresting at best
For this reason, that there are just so many things, it's going to be a pain whether or not there is a scroll wheel. If anything it might be worse since your finger has to do more work to scroll through, versus holding a button.C) Tears of the Kingdom. That game spent how many years of development? They added whole new features for the crafting mechanic. Doesn’t anyone else wonder why it’s really baffling the shear number of items you can fuse to certain weapons but they opted to keep it a linear line that takes FOREVER to scroll through using the buttons? Sure, it works. But it’s not intuitive or efficient. If you apply a wheel to that UI element then it DRASTICALLY improves the experience. They could’ve gone with a checkerboard UI element for selecting an item to fuse like they do for the main selection menu screens, but they opted for this layout instead. A layout that would make more sense if you had a scroll wheel. I know BoTW had the same exact layout, but back in BotW they only had maybe 5-15 items to select, so it was streamlined and intuitive.
Sakurai just made a YouTube video about the potential of scrolling shoulder buttons. It would really good for things like menu navigation as well as stuff like driving. A scroll wheel can also be pressed down like a regular shoulder button so it's not like we're losing functionality with it.Honestly, scrolling shoulders sounds like it could be a bit awful at worst, uninteresting at best
He didn't just say potential tho, he specifically said why actual scroll wheel buttons wouldn't work well.Sakurai just made a YouTube video about the potential of scrolling shoulder buttons. It would really good for things like menu navigation as well as stuff like driving. A scroll wheel can also be pressed down like a regular shoulder button so it's not like we're losing functionality with it.
it was not only just revealed but is already outWhen is Switch 2 getting revealed?
I could see it being awful for the same reason analog triggers would be awful, making games that require quick input with shoulder buttons more clunky and awkward (e.g. rhythm games).Honestly, scrolling shoulders sounds like it could be a bit awful at worst, uninteresting at best
Now hold on, it would be fine if it's capacitive!@Bonejack handle it.
And this is why I keep saying! Capacitive, pressure sensitive shoulder buttons!I could see it being awful for the same reason analog triggers would be awful, making games that require quick input with shoulder buttons more clunky and awkward (e.g. rhythm games).
Also Sakurai specifically mentions why actual scroll wheels wouldn't work.I still think it'll be capacitive, if they do it, especially since they've specifically patented capacitive buttons for UI now. But, following the rule of patents, they haven't published a patent specifically on capacitive shoulder buttons, so either based on the patents published, or the fact the capacitive shoulder button has not appeared in a public patent, it's possible.
Plus, MORE moving parts that can get dirt stuck in them sounds like an awful idea after the Joy-Con control stick fiasco!Also Sakurai specifically mentions why actual scroll wheels wouldn't work.
I still can't find a single source that says 8mb L3 is mandatory for the 8 core configuration.
CPU | Cores/Threads | L3 Cache | Avg FPS (1080p) |
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Ryzen 9 5950X | 16/32 | 64MB | 106 fps |
Ryzen 9 5900X | 12/24 | 64MB | 105 fps |
Ryzen 7 5800X3D | 8/16 | 96MB | 113 fps |
Ryzen 7 5800X | 8/16 | 32MB | 103 fps |
CPU | L3 Cache | Avg FPS (1080p Ultra) |
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Core i9-12900KS | 30MB | 189 fps |
Ryzen 9 5950X | 64MB | 193 fps |
Core i5-12600K | 20MB | 177 fps |
Following up with my previous pos that I just quoted:We also have to ask ourselves how does L1 and L2 help with games too, and in comparison to current gen consoles. And how much will we have of each.
According to https://developer.arm.com/Processors/Cortex-A78C
We could have 32 or 64KB of L1 cache, and 256 or 512KB of L2 cache. I know that cache was discussed here before several times, but perhaps it was just based on L1 and L2 cache, and not L3..
The rumble technology is from the same company holding the same parents, it's not exclusive.Do we know if Sony has any patents that would prevent Nintendo from implementing the same upgrades Sony added to the PS5 controller? I dont have one so I'm not familiar with details but I hear the triggers and rumble are noticeably really good? Assuming they would want to, is there any IP law issue preventing Nintendo from doing the same?
This is not true, unless you have very very close ties to and/or work for Nintendo. The Switch doesn't even appear until you are accepted. While this page exists, the appearance of "NX2" is clearly an inspect element job.Apparently NX 2 shows as an option on Nintendo Developer Portal
Thanks for explaining! Do you mean the same company behind Joycon HD rumble is behind PS5 rumble?The rumble technology is from the same company holding the same parents, it's not exclusive.
The triggers however they... Should not copy. Nintendo's biggest shooter is Splatoon, which depends on an instant reaction digital trigger.
This was already discussed and denied ages ago broThis is not true, unless you have very very close ties to and/or work for Nintendo. The Switch doesn't even appear until you are accepted. While this page exists, the appearance of "NX2" is clearly an inspect element job.
Yes.Do you mean the same company behind Joycon HD rumble is behind PS5 rumble?
Not necessarily...If so that makes me feel like it's quite likely we can expect it on Switch 2 right?
See the Joy-Con use HD Rumble motors to begin with because they're thin and small. They give you more feedback with less volume. The PS5 controller is massive, and it takes advantages of this by having WAY bigger motors. If the controller can't fit big motors, then you're going to get less pronounced rumble. PlayStation rumble is also assisted by its speaker and adaptive triggers, something it's VERY unlikely NG Switch Joy-Con will have, especially the adaptive triggers (which ARE a Sony patent), because they're proprietary, large and technically complex.Any reasons not to be hopeful for this?
Thanks for explaining! Do you mean the same company behind Joycon HD rumble is behind PS5 rumble?
If so that makes me feel like it's quite likely we can expect it on Switch 2 right? Any reasons not to be hopeful for this?
See the Joy-Con use HD Rumble motors to begin with because they're thin and small. They give you more feedback with less volume. The PS5 controller is massive, and it takes advantages of this by having WAY bigger motors. If the controller can't fit big motors, then you're going to get less pronounced rumble. PlayStation rumble is also assisted by its speaker and adaptive triggers, something it's VERY unlikely NG Switch Joy-Con will have, especially the adaptive triggers (which ARE a Sony patent), because they're proprietary, large and technically complex.
NG Switch is likely to be bigger, and so too are its controllers. But they won't be DualSense big. Improved haptics over the original Switch? I think that's likely. But as good as PlayStation 5? You just can't cheat physics, so no.
Thank you both for explaining!AFAIK the tech is basically the same, it's just a matter of size. The hardware inside the dualsense is very big in comparison. If the joycons 2.0 are also thin like the current ones, it will be impossible to have a haptic feedback with the same 'impact'.
This was already discussed and denied ages ago bro
From what I know devs allowed to develop for next hardware have a different access to NDP (Nintendo Developer Portal)
It's weird thinking about how much stuff is gonna be outright unknown until someone inevitably breaks their Switch just to get a die shot analysis, in what should hopefully be less than a year.Following up with my previous pos that I just quoted:
We talked about cache way back in August.
@Hermii You asked @Dakhil How much would price configurations of L3 cache would be. The biggest advantage that A78c has over A78 and A78E is that it offers 8MB cache vs Orion's 4MB of L3 cache on the A78s on Orion.
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Another poster else says that A78c also supports 4MB of cache. Dakhil gives a nice opinion reply on L3 and L2 cache:
To play devil's advocate, I think giving the CPU 8 MB of L3 cache is probably going to help mitigate the issue of RAM bandwidth to a degree since I think a CPU with 8 MB of L3 cache won't be as reliant on the RAM as a CPU with 4 MB of L3 cache.
The Nintendo Switch's biggest bottlenecks are the CPU (the amount of CPU cores and the CPU frequency) and the RAM bandwidth (the RAM amount and the RAM bandwidth). I think Nintendo can easily remedy the amount of CPU cores and the RAM amount. But I expect the CPU frequency and the RAM bandwidth to still be the major bottlenecks for Nintendo's new hardware, although not to the same degree as with the Nintendo Switch. (That's why I think giving the GPU 4 MB of L2 cache (same as Orin's GPU) vs 1 MB of L2 cache is ideal.)
And I don't think die size is a huge issue, especially if Nintendo and Nvidia did decide to fabricate Drake using TSMC's 4N process node.
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We definitely talked more about L2 cache, perhaps more so than L3 before. @ReddDreadtheLead When I brought up multiple configurations of L3 cache (which has been talked about before), I think I really meant L2 cache at the time. XD
Avalon speculates how much cache T239 could have
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If they could somehow engineer a way for it to work without a grip/accessory but also still support horizontal play and have it be elegant, then that might actually be enough to satisfy my craving for a new gimmick. Maybe… vertical gaming is extremely niche and isn't worth the manufacturing...famiboards.com
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The second part is bad. The first I think is great, as long as it's not costly or with other downsides. Every game having control limited to only things that 95% will use is... a limit.I'm tired of controller functions that barely any games will end up using honestly.
Especially something that introduces another point of failure on a controller.
how confident are you that the Next Switch is coming in 2024, the pessimist on twitter and furukawa lack of acknowledgement is starting to get to me lol
Nothing Furukawa said suggested 2025.how confident are you that the Next Switch is coming in 2024, the pessimist on twitter and furukawa lack of acknowledgement is starting to get to me lol
This alone is proof of "The Switch is on its way out and we need some stuff to fill the gap before we drop the big boy later in the year"how confident are you that the Next Switch is coming in 2024, the pessimist on twitter and furukawa lack of acknowledgement is starting to get to me lol
2024 is pretty much a shoe in at this point. The Switch will be more than 7 years old when switch 2 releases, which is unheard of from any console manufacturer, let alone Nintendo. Nintendo has never lasted this long on the home front, and I can't seem them try after 8 years. The Switch sales are in a downward trend. I think they managed to last this long because of covid and the supply chain issue.how confident are you that the Next Switch is coming in 2024, the pessimist on twitter and furukawa lack of acknowledgement is starting to get to me lol
You better be right or else I'll...drown in my sorrows with some orange juice.Tomorrow.
Later in the year? We're already looking at an early 2024 full of games that fit the same bill post-Switch 3DS games.This alone is proof of "The Switch is on its way out and we need some stuff to fill the gap before we drop the big boy later in the year"
I think the fastest likely turnaround is 3 months, which means it could still hit March, but that's just extremely unlikely at this point. I still think April is possible, though, with a January reveal.2024 is pretty much a shoe in at this point. The Switch will be more than 7 years old when switch 2 releases, which is unheard of from any console manufacturer, let alone Nintendo. Nintendo has never lasted this long on the home front, and I can't seem them try after 8 years. The Switch sales are in a downward trend. I think they managed to last this long because of covid and the supply chain issue.
I hate to admit it, but I'm personally thinking Q4 2024 is more likely than ever before. We can already rule out Q1 2024, since this console likely won't be shown until January at the earliest, and I think it's reasonable to expect 4.5-6 months after the first reveal. So Q3 or Q4 seems most likely. I just don't like to wait that long
These games are great. Sorry but this is not a good post of yours.This alone is proof of "The Switch is on its way out and we need some stuff to fill the gap before we drop the big boy later in the year"
Release Date | Game Title |
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04 Mar 2016 | The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess HD |
18 Mar 2016 | Pokkén Tournament |
22 Apr 2016 | Star Fox Zero |
24 Jun 2016 | Mario & Sonic at the Rio 2016 Olympic Games |
24 Jun 2016 | Tokyo Mirage Sessions ♯FE |
07 Oct 2016 | Paper Mario: Color Splash |
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03 Mar 2017 | The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild |
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22 Jan 2016 | Mario & Luigi: Paper Jam |
19 Feb 2016 | Fire Emblem Fates: Birthright |
19 Feb 2016 | Fire Emblem Fates: Conquest |
10 Mar 2016 | Fire Emblem Fates: Revelation |
18 Mar 2016 | Mario & Sonic at the Rio 2016 Olympic Games |
25 Mar 2016 | Hyrule Warriors Legends |
15 Apr 2016 | Bravely Second: End Layer |
29 Apr 2016 | Pokémon Rumble World |
13 May 2016 | Disney Art Academy |
10 Jun 2016 | Kirby: Planet Robobot |
15 Jun 2016 | Rhythm Heaven Megamix |
19 Aug 2016 | Metroid Prime: Federation Force |
19 Aug 2016 | Style Savvy: Fashion Forward |
01 Sep 2016 | Picross 3D Round 2 |
16 Sep 2016 | Dragon Quest VII: Fragments of the Forgotten Past |
30 Sep 2016 | YO-KAI WATCH 2: Bony Spirits |
30 Sep 2016 | YO-KAI WATCH 2: Fleshy Souls |
04 Nov 2016 | Mario Party: Star Rush |
18 Nov 2016 | Pokémon Moon |
18 Nov 2016 | Pokémon Sun |
02 Dec 2016 | Super Mario Maker for Nintendo 3DS |
Date | Game Title |
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20 Jan 2017 | Dragon Quest VIII: Journey of the Cursed King |
03 Feb 2017 | Poochy & Yoshi's Woolly World |
24 Mar 2017 | Mario Sports Superstars |
19 May 2017 | Fire Emblem Echoes: Shadows of Valentia |
23 Jun 2017 | Ever Oasis |
28 Jul 2017 | Hey! Pikmin |
28 Jul 2017 | Miitopia |
15 Sep 2017 | Metroid: Samus Returns |
29 Sep 2017 | YO-KAI WATCH 2: Psychic Specters |
06 Oct 2017 | Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga + Bowser's Minions |
20 Oct 2017 | Fire Emblem Warriors |
10 Nov 2017 | Mario Party: The Top 100 |
17 Nov 2017 | Pokémon: Ultra Moon |
17 Nov 2017 | Pokémon: Ultra Sun |
Release Date | Game Title |
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20 Jan 2023 | Fire Emblem Engage |
22 Feb 2023 | Metroid Prime Remastered |
24 Feb 2023 | Kirby's Return to Dream Land Deluxe |
17 Mar 2023 | Bayonetta Origins: Cereza and the Lost Demon |
21 Apr 2023 | Advance Wars 1 + 2: Re-Boot Camp |
13 May 2023 | The Legend of Zelda: Tears of the Kingdom |
30 Jun 2023 | Everybody 1-2-Switch! |
21 Jul 2023 | Pikmin 4 |
22 Sep 2023 | Pikmin 1+2 |
06 Oct 2023 | Detective Pikachu Returns |
20 Oct 2023 | Super Mario Bros. Wonder |
03 Nov 2023 | WarioWare: Move It! |
17 Nov 2023 | Super Mario RPG |
Release Date | Game Title |
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19 Jan 2024 | Another Code: Recollection |
16 Feb 2024 | Mario vs. Donkey Kong |
22 Mar 2024 | Princess Peach Showtime! Luigi's Mansion 2 HD |
Tears of the Kingdom item wheel:Well, increase the size of the wheel. Simple.