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[10k]

Bruh moment if they put a Wii U type name cause of Nvidia

GameCube had the ATI logo on it. I’m sure Nvidia just wants their logo on it since they did so much work on the Drake chip.

Maybe a small Nvidia logo on the back panel next to the Switch logo.

 

[carbvan]

Wait what was the AI meme that Pablo shared? Didn't even realise that was a thing

Pablo just kept posting AI made renders of the Switch 2 because he was excited or something. Just imagine inter-dimensional horrors colored red and blue and you'd get the same experience.

 

[Onilink97]

Pablo just kept posting AI made renders of the Switch 2 because he was excited or something. Just imagine inter-dimensional horrors colored red and blue and you'd get the same experience.

Oh right, didn't even notice haha

 

[Concernt]

Question, what wattage should we expect the Switch 2 to run at?

I'm firmly in the camp that it will consume the same wattage as the original Nintendo Switch. There's just a lot that points in that direction. Nintendo likes to reuse accessories, especially chargers, so it's less likely it will exceed the capacity of the existing Nintendo USB C charger. T239 on 4N doesn't consume more power than Tegra X1 based on the clocks we saw in the Nvidia leaks, which were linked with target wattages which themselves line up with power consumption for the GPU in the original Nintendo Switch. A larger screen doesn't contribute to more power consumption, because screens have gotten more power efficient since 2017. The controllers have their own batteries, so short stints of intense rumble thanks to new haptics won't impact power consumption. All this, while power consumption directly contributes to heat output and the need for heat dissipation, so if they want this device to be light enough to carry around, light and small enough to fit in the hands of children, appealing to the Japanese market, or the fashion conscious markets in the USA, it can't consume much more, if any more, power than the original Nintendo Switch.

T239 on 4N can achieve truly incredible performance at the same power consumption as the original Nintendo Switch, I would even say it appears designed to do so, so there isn't a benefit to pushing past that power consumption and heat dissipation.

 

[Concernt]

GameCube had the ATI logo on it. I’m sure Nvidia just wants their logo on it since they did so much work on the Drake chip.

Maybe a small Nvidia logo on the back panel next to the Switch logo.

More likely under the kickstand alongside the legalese, near the Nintendo logo.

 

[Deleted member 887]

Honestly, I think there's a middle ground here. Kit and Krista indicated that yeah, licensing comes into play with these videos. But (IIRC) they also indicated that it's common practice to renew said licenses for a year at a time after the initial expiration.

Oh sure, I was specifically referring to folks who were trying to reverse engineer the rights situation to prove that it "couldn't" be rights related. These things get so twisty, you can't get there from first principles.

 

[Vash]

Which one Nintendo gonna tweet ?


Mod Edit -- AI art has been removed.

the mans lives for the AI

 

[mjayer]

I'm firmly in the camp that it will consume the same wattage as the original Nintendo Switch. There's just a lot that points in that direction. Nintendo likes to reuse accessories, especially chargers, so it's less likely it will exceed the capacity of the existing Nintendo USB C charger. T239 on 4N doesn't consume more power than Tegra X1 based on the clocks we saw in the Nvidia leaks, which were linked with target wattages which themselves line up with power consumption for the GPU in the original Nintendo Switch. A larger screen doesn't contribute to more power consumption, because screens have gotten more power efficient since 2017. The controllers have their own batteries, so short stints of intense rumble thanks to new haptics won't impact power consumption. All this, while power consumption directly contributes to heat output and the need for heat dissipation, so if they want this device to be light enough to carry around, light and small enough to fit in the hands of children, appealing to the Japanese market, or the fashion conscious markets in the USA, it can't consume much more, if any more, power than the original Nintendo Switch.

T239 on 4N can achieve truly incredible performance at the same power consumption as the original Nintendo Switch, I would even say it appears designed to do so, so there isn't a benefit to pushing past that power consumption and heat dissipation.

I'm firmly in the camp (pitched my tent) that they are trying to make the docked mode a real home console next gen experience this time around. They can design it to make the home console wattage much higher than the original. I mean we have metal case rumors, which would allow much higher heat dissipation? We got 12 SM?

Clock the GPU as low as possible (in bottom of the power curve that makes sense) in handheld, keep the CPU as high as makes sense for battery life. In docked mode the CPU stays about same and GPU is clocked up as high as possible, period. If that means more watts, so be it. The limiting factor will be heat dissipation, which will be determined by how it's designed.

I mean this just makes the Switch all the more Switchy imo. Making that docked mode really sing, portable already sings, on a small screen you can get by with a lot but Docked on your big screen? Let it rip. The gimmick is it's next gen. Switch NG.

 

[HankyPanky]

You all just need to accept we are getting no official Switch RTX (that's the new name for it now cause Nvidia wants co-branding, it's my newest rumour I am clinging too) until 2024.

hopefully the official reveal includes the long-awaited Jensen Direct.

 

[Concernt]

They can design it to make the home console wattage much higher than the original

Not if it's still a handheld, too. Which it is.

 

[ziggyrivers]

Re: Nvidia marketing - I doubt it’s anything more than their logo in the box and possible their logo in the software

 

[mjayer]

Not if it's still a handheld, too. Which it is.

But they can? It's how hardware is designed. If it has a bigger heat sink, if the dock has fan, if the case is metal for extra heat dissipation, if they let it get hotter than current switch docked... etc.

 

[casualreader]

Which one Nintendo gonna tweet ?


Mod Edit -- AI art has been removed.

I think I'm talking for the majority here (the majority, please don't shoot me ).

If nintendo tweets something tomorrow (or in the next two weeks) regarding an announcement, please let him come back.

Would only be fair that he gets his victory lap. Just he needs to promise he will not set the forum on fire with some early rumors regarding the successor

 

[Lancelot]

I mean we have metal case rumors, which would allow much higher heat dissipation?

I want to see this again, I don't remember seeing it around these places and if it did then people forgot it very fast.

 

[Brofield]

Okay but if the announcement is imminent, wouldn't Nintendo tease a tweet like 2016 the night before being like "Hey, check out the future of Nintendo's hardware coming tomorrow" sort of thing?

Spoiler: Old ass tweet (remember this dropped in the middle of the presidential debate between HC and DT?)

 

[qwerp]

Okay but if the announcement is imminent, wouldn't Nintendo tease a tweet like 2016 the night before being like "Hey, check out the future of Nintendo's hardware coming tomorrow" sort of thing?

Spoiler: Old ass tweet (remember this dropped in the middle of the presidential debate between HC and DT?)

Yes, I can't imagine them dropping a random YouTube trailer out of the blue.

 

[Lancelot]

Okay but if the announcement is imminent, wouldn't Nintendo tease a tweet like 2016 the night before being like "Hey, check out the future of Nintendo's hardware coming tomorrow" sort of thing?

Spoiler: Old ass tweet (remember this dropped in the middle of the presidential debate between HC and DT?)

That was an live-or-die scenario coming from Wii U, that's not happening unless they felt in such a position again. If this will be made it'll be a day before, not more like the NX.

 

[casualreader]

Okay but if the announcement is imminent, wouldn't Nintendo tease a tweet like 2016 the night before being like "Hey, check out the future of Nintendo's hardware coming tomorrow" sort of thing?

Spoiler: Old ass tweet (remember this dropped in the middle of the presidential debate between HC and DT?)

Absolutely, if it happens tomorrow the first tweet will be here in no more than 10 hours.
Edit: based on what they did the last time...
But otherwise we said it could happen some other time ahead of the results no?

 

[Paraspikey]

Okay but if the announcement is imminent, wouldn't Nintendo tease a tweet like 2016 the night before being like "Hey, check out the future of Nintendo's hardware coming tomorrow" sort of thing?

Spoiler: Old ass tweet (remember this dropped in the middle of the presidential debate between HC and DT?)

They probably would, not sure why they would drop it out of the blue. If we see peaks at new software, then most definitely.

 

[Brofield]

That was an live-or-die scenario coming from Wii U, that's not happening unless they felt in such a position again.

How so? Nintendo wants eyes on them regardless, Wii U was dead and no one gave two shits but because Switch is doing well means people are actually playing games and not paying attention to what Nintendo is doing on the internet and need that reminder (forum enthusiasts excluded)

 

[Andre3333456]

Okay but if the announcement is imminent, wouldn't Nintendo tease a tweet like 2016 the night before being like "Hey, check out the future of Nintendo's hardware coming tomorrow" sort of thing?

Spoiler: Old ass tweet (remember this dropped in the middle of the presidential debate between HC and DT?)

They won't because Nintendo is going to release Mario wonder in the next two days.

 

[Lancelot]

How so? Nintendo wants eyes on them regardless, Wii U was dead and no one gave two shits but because Switch is doing well means people are actually playing games and not paying attention to what Nintendo is doing on the internet and need that reminder (forum enthusiasts excluded)

That's exactly why they wouldn't, announcements like these must be made a day or two before at best. Announcing the NX and letting it build up hype for a while was a desperate move, if this will be made it'll be literally the day before, perhaps in even less than 24 hours.

 

[FallenEgg]

Absolutely, if it happens tomorrow the first tweet will be here in no more than 10 hours.
Edit: based on what they did the last time...
But otherwise we said it could happen some other time ahead of the results no?

Possibly, but they have been mostly shadow-dropping their system announcements ever since the original Switch (Lite, OLED, Splatoon 3, etc). They could maybe do it if its just their thing to make announcements for new gen systems rather than just revisions of the current gen system. But with how they've been doing reveals ever since, I'm not sure. Then again, I'm still in slight doubt they announce/reveal the next gen system the same week of Wonder, but I'm always down for chaos sooooooooooooo, one way to find out.

 

[Goodtwin]

During the 2023 fiscal year Nintendo revised down the expected Switch sales forecast at least once and maybe twice but still came up short short. Nintendo then proceeded to forecast 15 million units for the 2024 fiscal year. By their own admission, this was an optimistic forecast. With Zelda TotK launching in Q1, Nintendo was able to sell more units year over year by a decent margin. Q2 results aren't official yet, but I have seen some reports suggesting that Q2 is more of the same. Nintendo will go into the holiday season with nearly half its forecast already met. With the way Nintendo rolled out their bundles and special editions this year, it seems like they were trying to make a big push in Q1 & 2 rather than waiting on Q3. As it stand right now, Nintendo is positioned to underperform in Q3 and Q4 year over year and still make their forecast. Holiday sales will still be strong even if they are down year over year. A big chunk of holiday sales are parents buying a console for their children so regardless if Nintendo were to announce SNG for a 1H 2024 release in the coming days, its unlikely to change their decision to buy a Switch this year, assuming they even stumble across the teaser trailer. Q4 will likely have a sharp decline in sales for Switch regardless if there is an announcement for SNG. Switch closing in on its 8th year on the market will reestablish the downward protectory with heavy hitters like Zelda TotK and Mario Wonder no longer able to prop up demand. Special edition OLED models are also starting to lose their luster. You can only do so many before people become less and less interested.

A teaser trailer on the anniversary would be very curious. Announcing on the same same day that Mario Wonder releases? As much as I would love it, it is also very hard to believe Nintendo would do that. But who knows, maybe they would capitalize on announcing at a time where consumers engagement with their Switch is high.

 

[mjayer]

I want to see this again, I don't remember seeing it around these places and if it did then people forgot it very fast.

I guess it's an old rumor?

 

[Lancelot]

I guess it's an old rumor?

Wow, this is old. No idea if any of this has relevance at this point, the body has probably changed several times since then. I don't expect any significant docked boosts because of parity and memory bandwidth, though.

 

[CeramicPigeon]

Switch closing in on its 8th year on the market will reestablish the downward protectory with heavy hitters like Zelda TotK and Mario Wonder no longer able to prop up demand.

Citation needed. One of those games isn't even out yet.

 

[ziggyrivers]

I guess it's an old rumor?

An old rumor that someone mentioned again a few pages ago

 

[Brofield]

They won't because Nintendo is going to release Mario wonder in the next two days.

That's exactly why they wouldn't, announcements like these must be made a day or two before at best. Announcing the NX and letting it build up hype for a while was a desperate move, if this will be made it'll be literally the day before, perhaps in even less than 24 hours.

I feel like there's some slight miscommunication; I'm not expecting the announcement of new hardware today/tomorrow/this week. My point is that without a tweet in advance to pre-announce "Hey, look at us, we're gonna dance in 12 hours", it doesn't make sense to just shadowdrop the reveal video

Possibly, but they have been mostly shadow-dropping their system announcements ever since the original Switch (Lite, OLED, Splatoon 3, etc). They could maybe do it if its just their thing to make announcements for new gen systems rather than just revisions of the current gen system. But with how they've been doing reveals ever since, I'm not sure. Then again, I'm still in slight doubt they announce/reveal the next gen system the same week of Wonder, but I'm always down for chaos sooooooooooooo, one way to find out.

Looking back, the system announcements during the Switch era were all for the existing Switch console family; no updated hardware, just a refreshed version to join the family lineup whether Lite or OLED. There wasn't a need to get people to pay attention as big as it is for new hardware that has new bells and whistles.

 

[Lancelot]

I feel like there's some slight miscommunication; I'm not expecting the announcement of new hardware today/tomorrow/this week. My point is that without a tweet in advance to pre-announce "Hey, look at us, we're gonna dance in 12 hours", it doesn't make sense to just shadowdrop the reveal video

That's what I said, yes. A random ass tweet claiming something will happen in less than a day's worth, not NX for many months like the example you cited it as.

 

[ziggyrivers]

Although Shuntaro Furukawa said that the Wii U > Switch reveal was particular to that bad era of Nintendo, there is a possibility they might use the Switch’s life as a blueprint to follow for its successor.

They could randomly drop a trailer a la Lite and OLED, but I feel like a new generation console should have some formality to it.

If I were the Marketing/Brand Manager of the Switch 2, I would personally plan for a proper reveal with a tweet announcing the reveal trailer

 

[Brofield]

That's what I said, yes. A random ass tweet claiming something will happen in less than a day's worth, not NX for many months like the example you cited it as.

Then that is where the miscommunication lies, and I apologize for that error; I meant the reveal of the initial Switch trailer getting a 12 hour heads up notice, not the official live press announcement.

Reveal and announcement are interchangeable to me, because it's still being shown off for the first time regardless, but it's all good. I'll drop it

 

[Deleted member 887]

Re: Switch body.

"For entertainment purposes only" - MoneyDJ has consistently linked Switch's launch to Hongzhun's manufacture of metal cases.

 

[Derachi]

I’d love a metal body for the new Switch

 

[darthdiablo]

I’d love a metal body for the new Switch

I'm not sure I'm sold on that or love that idea. A metallic Switch 2 body would make things quite heavier?

I've never held a SteamDeck, Rog Ally (sp?), etc. Any of those have metal cases?

Whenever I hear about metal cases being made for Switch 2 (like the MoneyDJ/Hongzhun, even though it's "for entertainment purposes only"), I was wondering if that's just referring to metal enclosures inside the Switch 2 body itself (not really visible to users). Not that the Switch 2 body would be metallic.

 

[kvetcha]

I'm not sure I'm sold on that or love that idea. A metallic Switch 2 body would make things quite heavier?

I've never held a SteamDeck, Rog Ally (sp?), etc. Any of those have metal cases?

Whenever I hear about metal cases being made for Switch 2 (like the MoneyDJ/Hongzhun, even though it's "for entertainment purposes only"), I was wondering if that's just referring to metal enclosures inside the Switch 2 body itself (not really visible to users). Not that the Switch 2 body would be metallic.

Magnesium is incredibly light.

 

[PandaAndino]

I guess it's an old rumor?

this is true for switch oled btw.

 

[Foltzie]

Oh sure, I was specifically referring to folks who were trying to reverse engineer the rights situation to prove that it "couldn't" be rights related. These things get so twisty, you can't get there from first principles.

Yep, I took one look and noped out of the discussion, despite having a specialization in IP law.

As you say, music rights are a weird thing. The trailers being up on social media could be an oversight, or those will come down eventually too.

 

[Goodtwin]

Citation needed. One of those games isn't even out yet.

I was referring to Q4, which is January through March.

 

[eye0h]

I think I'm talking for the majority here (the majority, please don't shoot me ).

If nintendo tweets something tomorrow (or in the next two weeks) regarding an announcement, please let him come back.

Would only be fair that he gets his victory lap. Just he needs to promise he will not set the forum on fire with some early rumors regarding the successor

He's gonna unleash eldritch horrors into this thread if it gets announced soon

 

[LiC]

The trailers being up on social media could be an oversight, or those will come down eventually too.

I don't think that's true. If it's purely a rights issue, then the difference would have to be something along the lines of past-dated posts on social media being okay while a "live" video on a video streaming site isn't okay. And I could certainly believe that it would be something that convoluted where none of us could guess the specifics. But it's definitely not an oversight or a delayed reaction.

 

[ReddDreadtheLead]

Basically during the Nintendo Switch Presentation in 2017, they opened the reveal trailer for 1-2 Switch with a live action wild west segment, meant to tease the shootout mini-game featured.

However, before the trailer shifted gears to reveal itself as a party game compilation, some believed they were showcasing a trailer for Red Dead Redemption 2 on Switch, as the game was supposed to be nearing release at that time.

Oh….. I see then.

 

[JoshuaJSlone]

I'm firmly in the camp (pitched my tent) that they are trying to make the docked mode a real home console next gen experience this time around. They can design it to make the home console wattage much higher than the original. I mean we have metal case rumors, which would allow much higher heat dissipation? We got 12 SM?

Clock the GPU as low as possible (in bottom of the power curve that makes sense) in handheld, keep the CPU as high as makes sense for battery life. In docked mode the CPU stays about same and GPU is clocked up as high as possible, period. If that means more watts, so be it. The limiting factor will be heat dissipation, which will be determined by how it's designed.

I mean this just makes the Switch all the more Switchy imo. Making that docked mode really sing, portable already sings, on a small screen you can get by with a lot but Docked on your big screen? Let it rip. The gimmick is it's next gen. Switch NG.

The end result of letting it rip here is probably the difference between using DLSS to do 1080->4K, or being able to use DLSS to do 1280->4K. A relatively small difference that's still going to leave it in the same general spot relative to Switch and PS5 on either side.

 

[Raccoon]

if it's really an inch thick slab with an 8" screen then switch no good is probably the best name for it

 

[darthdiablo]

Magnesium is incredibly light.

Are there existing handhelds with magnesium body? (for my own reference, curious what it might look like too)

 

[Dakhil]

I’d love a metal body for the new Switch

I don't expect Nintendo's new console to have a fully metal body for the reasons I've explained here.

I'm not saying that achieving good Wi-Fi reception for a device with more metal is impossible. I'm saying that achieving good Wi-Fi reception for a device with more metal is going to be quite difficult, but not impossible.

I've used to own a HTC 10, which has a completely metal body, and has really poor Wi-Fi reception, despite having antennae lines on the back. (I think one reason is that the Wi-Fi chip used on the HTC 10 is not that great.)

I think one of the reasons why the upper portion of the OLED model's back is plastic is because of the Wi-Fi antennae placement.

And that reminds me. Another potential caveat of using more metal is that the hardware could become too hot to touch, especially if people play in TV mode for long periods of time, and if Nintendo's being really aggressive with the CPU, GPU, and RAM frequencies when in TV mode, since metals are also very good conductors of heat.

I mention this, because I have a launch Nintendo Switch. And I've noticed that when I play in TV mode for 30+ minutes, my launch Nintendo Switch is very warm to the touch (still comfortable enough to touch without hurting myself, but fairly close to the point of being too hot to touch).
And introducing more metal could make the hardware more susceptible to being too hot to touch, especially as I've mentioned before, people play in TV mode for long periods of time, and if Nintendo's being really aggressive with the CPU, GPU, and RAM frequencies when in TV mode.

And because metals are very good conductors of heat, metals are very good at dissipating heat, which is good for ensuring the SoC, etc., remains at a reasonable temperature when running, but that could be problematic if someone wants to remove the hardware from the dock 30+ minutes later.
Perhaps having the top portion be plastic could help with not only the Wi-Fi reception, but also allowing someone to remove the hardware from the dock after 30+ minutes.
Or perhaps Nintendo could install fans inside the dock.

Who knows?

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[NineTailSage]

I'm firmly in the camp that it will consume the same wattage as the original Nintendo Switch. There's just a lot that points in that direction. Nintendo likes to reuse accessories, especially chargers, so it's less likely it will exceed the capacity of the existing Nintendo USB C charger. T239 on 4N doesn't consume more power than Tegra X1 based on the clocks we saw in the Nvidia leaks, which were linked with target wattages which themselves line up with power consumption for the GPU in the original Nintendo Switch. A larger screen doesn't contribute to more power consumption, because screens have gotten more power efficient since 2017. The controllers have their own batteries, so short stints of intense rumble thanks to new haptics won't impact power consumption. All this, while power consumption directly contributes to heat output and the need for heat dissipation, so if they want this device to be light enough to carry around, light and small enough to fit in the hands of children, appealing to the Japanese market, or the fashion conscious markets in the USA, it can't consume much more, if any more, power than the original Nintendo Switch.

T239 on 4N can achieve truly incredible performance at the same power consumption as the original Nintendo Switch, I would even say it appears designed to do so, so there isn't a benefit to pushing past that power consumption and heat dissipation.

I think anyone expecting this new Switch to consume the exact wattage as the og Switch isn't looking at the bigger picture.
Just look at Thraktor's last post and the clocks from that DLSS leak, we are probably expecting the gpu alone to consume at least 10W docked. That's pretty much the entire budget of what the og Switch ran with its more demanding games and actually I wouldn't be surprised if this thing cranks out 20W total while under load in docked mode.

 

[Linkstrikesback]

Not if it's still a handheld, too. Which it is.

Yep. It's been decades since a nintendo home console has even punched in the weight class of a Nintendo handheld, let alone go blow for blow. At some point people are going to have to accept that handhelds have been Nintendos success story, and they're never going to do anything that compromises the handheld experience in name of the home one.

 

[Skittzo]

if it's really an inch thick slab with an 8" screen then switch no good is probably the best name for it

The Nintendo Slab

 

[Raccoon]

The Nintendo GameBrick