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PkStarstorm said:
This direct is pretty much confirming REDACTED for this year, all those games look like transition games to me, no heavy hitters, just indies and AA games. The fact we didnt see anything about Metroid is because they are saving it for REDACTED announcement.

This will be by far switch weakest holiday season
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I disagree, the Direct shows Nintendo will have 2D Mario as the big holiday game this year. And they will keep at it with remasters from GameCube, Wii, Wii U and 3DS.

I'm expecting even more remaster for 2024 with games like Zelda Link Between Worlds, Winemaker, Prime 2 and 3, F Zero GX, Xenoblade X, Yoshi's Wooly World, Kirby Epic Yarn and etc. The Switch has a massive audience of gamers who haven't owned GameCube, Wii, 3DS and Wii U. They will continue to milk games with ports and remasters. Then the odd AA games like Princess Peach in the mix
 
Although I’m #Team2023, I accept that March 2024 and Holiday 2024 are viable and probable options. These are my reasons to stay in 2023 still:

• They can drop announcement in July. If they don’t do anything early July, I’m #TeamMarch;

• They’re packing this year and already revealed some 2024 titles. What else could they have for the rest of 2024? Post March 2024, the start of their Fiscal Year?

If anything, this Direct briefly reassures a Holiday 2023 or March 2024 release
 
L_esson said:
The game was rebooted a bit more than 4 years ago. They must do a lot of polishing, plus possibly a remaster of Prime 2 & 3, and next gen improvements on the game while ensuring that the base Switch version works fine too.
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I get they want to polish it, but still...4 years seems awfully long even by Nintendo standards, aside from Metroid Dread. They shouldn't take Miyamoto's words TOO literally
 
oldpuck said:
Nintendo has at least 9 2023+ games for base Switch.

Release date set: Fire Emblem: Engage, Kirby's Return to Dreamland Deluxe, Tears of the Kingdom
No release date: Metroid Prime 4, Pikmin 4, Advance Wars 1+2 Reboot Camp
Widely leaked to be done: Metroid Prime 1 Remakester, Twilight Princess HD, Windwaker HD
Leaked in development, probably exist and support base Switch: Style Savvy 5, Detective Pikachu 2, EPD Donkey Kong, Untitled 3D Remaster by Bamco,
Plus big 3rd party games without set release dates that would likely make a Direct: Hollow Knight: Silksong, Outer Wilds, Persona 3 Portable, Persona 4 Golden

FE:E, LoZ:TotK likely both have DLC, Splatoon and Mario Kart both have ongoing support and DLC waves, NSO+ has a schedule of N64 games into the middle of next year, and both GBC and GBA support for NSO has leaked along with support for it in datamines
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Last year, when we were still expecting the "spring 2023" device, I argued that we'd definitely still get two more Switch-centric Directs, February and E3.

Stuff I missed when I made this list - Xenoblade 3 DLC, Pokemon DLC and Iron18. Style Savvy 5 turned out to be a spiritual sequel. And it's possible the rumored EPD Kong game is the EPD 2D game which is actually SMB:Wonder. Curious if Bamco winds up being the Super Mario RemakePG dev.

The spine of a Switch 2023 was already clear back then, though the lack of Zelda DLC would have surprised me. We've now got a pair of 2024 titles - a Luigi's Mansion 2 remaster, and Super Princess Peach 2. I presume that Nintendo will do a September Direct to being laying out at the least the beginning of 2024, but if we take this same list I think we can see the spine of a 2024 as well, without having to include [redacted] in the assessment

Iron18, Metroid Prime 4, 3D Zelda Remaster, Dark Moon Remaster, and Peach's Theater Camp might be a light year by Switch standards, but pretty robust by "last year of a Nintendo console" standards. If they launch [redacted] next holiday, they only need enough titles to make it to Fall, and depending on what DonkEPD and the Bamco title are, they may already be there.

We're pretty set for something halfway between the "stark transition" that many of us are used to and the "eternal cross gen" that a lot of us expect. In the past, Nintendo was able to shut down Big Titles for their main console - because they could put out bangers on the handheld and keep software sales up. They can't do that anymore. And Sony showed that you could put out Big Games in the last months of your console, without harming sales, just by making sure backwards compat was robust.

Nintendo can spend 9 months putting out a few medium sized games with strong spotlights, while running the [redacted] hype train in parallel, then launch holiday season with new hardware and 3D Mario as an exclusive. It's not my favorite launch strategy, but it's a perfectly functional one. Nintendo took the possibility of a 2017 style one-two punch off the table when they started development on Tears, but they don't need a 2017 style blowout because they don't need to turn their fortunes around, they just need to maintain them
 
jaycie said:
yeah, I'm jumping ship to #Team2024 with this. as a Mario fan this direct delivered for me (SMBW looks great) but even then I can see support is definitely waning

I'm worried that the Switch's 2024 will be full of even more filler titles than this
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God I hope not. Metroid Prime 4 and the FE4 remake might be the last things I buy for the Switch then, and that's assuming they aren't cross gen.

Star Ocean 2 remake is hype as fuck though
 
I think that people are forgetting for Prime 4 taht Nintendo since Dread seems to be really set for a short "reveal to release" for Metroid

Is probably also going to be higlated in a Switch 2 presentation, but I think more like as an example of "upgraded software for your new switch"
 
This is f'n bonkers. I had thought that this year we'd be getting Zelda (because it had already been announced), Mario (just announced), and Switch 2. Unless they do some really last minute shit, we're not getting Switch 2 this year.
 
Cris1997XX said:
I get they want to polish it, but still...4 years seems awfully long even by Nintendo standards, aside from Metroid Dread. They shouldn't take Miyamoto's words TOO literally
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In a time when development cycles are regularly 5-6 years for AAA games, where is 4 years awfully long? rebooting development means: starting from scratch. New. Meaning next year it would be 5 years, so similar to BotW and how long AAA games take now.
Rebooting does not mean "oh, they anounced it already, so we have to be finished even faster!".
 
Dakhil said:
Personally, I'm waiting until next month or August 2023 before I say that a holiday 2023 launch is not happening.
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Personal gut feeling: If there's no event in July, 2023 is done.

August is (for me) just a tad too late. It would be a really narrow announcement to release timeframe.
 
bmfrosty said:
This is f'n bonkers. I had thought that this year we'd be getting Zelda (because it had already been announced), Mario (just announced), and Switch 2. Unless they do some really last minute shit, we're not getting Switch 2 this year.
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Yeah, I think they'll launch their next console in March/April 2024 for sure. We might get REDACTED this year, but it sure as hell wouldn't be during Summer. Nintendo would just shoot themselves in the foot and cripple the sales for whatever game they announced
 
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ziggyrivers said:
Although I’m #Team2023, I accept that March 2024 and Holiday 2024 are viable and probable options. These are my reasons to stay in 2023 still:

• They can drop announcement in July. If they don’t do anything early July, I’m #TeamMarch;

• They’re packing this year and already revealed some 2024 titles. What else could they have for the rest of 2024? Post March 2024, the start of their Fiscal Year?

If anything, this Direct briefly reassures a Holiday 2023 or March 2024 release
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the pessimist inside me takes your second point as a 2024 indication. they've done this before, coasting on smaller filler titles in the last 12-18 months of a system's life before (3DS + Wii are the best examples imo) and unfortunately I can see them doing it again with Switch. either because they want to maximise sales as much as possible or because software isn't ready. or both?
 
Cris1997XX said:
I get they want to polish it, but still...4 years seems awfully long even by Nintendo standards, aside from Metroid Dread. They shouldn't take Miyamoto's words TOO literally
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Consider that Tears of the Kingdom just came out and had Breath of the Wild to start building from. Versus current version of Metroid Prime 4 which probably started development a year later without something to build on.
 
jaycie said:
either because they want to maximise sales as much as possible or because software isn't ready. or both?
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I personally thought they were nervous during the Direct. Maybe its the Shareholders meeting. They had an empty 2H slot and just barely before the meeting they revealed it. Something tells me that, maybe, they wanted to release rhe Peaxh and Luigi games rhis year and received confirmation that they can. They may be nervous over Holiday performance
 
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Cris1997XX said:
I get they want to polish it, but still...4 years seems awfully long even by Nintendo standards, aside from Metroid Dread. They shouldn't take Miyamoto's words TOO literally
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I know people are sick of pointing to global pandemic as an excuse, but that doesn't stop it from being true. 4 years is a pretty reasonable amount of dev time for a gigantic game, but for at least a year in there productivity had to have dropped by half, if my work in the tech industry is any indication.

And Nintendo got burned by announcing Metroid and Bayonetta too early, when they were trying to establish Switch as a platform for the gamers Wii and Wii U lost. And just like Bayonetta, we won't see it again until everything is locked not just from a dev perspective, but in terms of securing it a release date, meaning other games need to also be in place.
 
Personally I feel the announcement of 2D Mario almost kills the chance of 2023 for me. Totally speculation here, but this is what I'm thinking. An important part of a system launch is the launch titles. I feel like Nintendo wants at least one heavy hitter. And if you're Nintendo and it's been 6 years since the last 3D Mario, you know it's cooking and probably ready to go soon if not now. What better pairing than launching your new system with your new 3D Mario. But they wouldn't put a 2D and 3D in the same holiday, so it pushes it to Spring 2024 at the earliest for me. This is all of course assuming the new 3D Mario has been built for the Switch 2, and not the current Switch. If it's current gen, then that's disappointing for me, but they could launch the new Switch and new Mario independently of each other (and heck, even have it be cross-gen)
 
oldpuck said:
And Nintendo got burned by announcing Metroid and Bayonetta too early, when they were trying to establish Switch as a platform for the gamers Wii and Wii U lost. And just like Bayonetta, we won't see it again until everything is locked not just from a dev perspective, but in terms of securing it a release date, meaning other games need to also be in place.
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Bayonetta didn't even belong to them at first, Platinum Games developed the original alongside Sega and relied on them in order to release it. Then Nintendo acquired the IP so that they could bolster their Wii U library and...well, the rest is history
 
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If Nintendo wants to ensure that they hit 15 million units for this fiscal year, they can't release Drake for H1 2024. They would either have to announce it in October or January and both times aren't ideal to announce new hardware. It'll more likely be released Holiday 2024.
 
squinters said:
Personally I feel the announcement of 2D Mario almost kills the chance of 2023 for me. Totally speculation here, but this is what I'm thinking. An important part of a system launch is the launch titles. I feel like Nintendo wants at least one heavy hitter. And if you're Nintendo and it's been 6 years since the last 3D Mario, you know it's cooking and probably ready to go soon if not now. What better pairing than launching your new system with your new 3D Mario. But they wouldn't put a 2D and 3D in the same holiday, so it pushes it to Spring 2024 at the earliest for me. This is all of course assuming the new 3D Mario has been built for the Switch 2, and not the current Switch. If it's current gen, then that's disappointing for me, but they could launch the new Switch and new Mario independently of each other (and heck, even have it be cross-gen)
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Yep. No fucking way they would launch with 2D Mario, only a few months after totk came out.
 
i absolutely hate to say it but 2025 looks more likely than 2023 at this point. Nintendo are dropping the ball with how this transition is going to be handled ie far too late. lots of cross-gen titles was always the way to move over smoothly before an entire slate of 'next-gen' titles would be ready. i admire those clinging to 2023 but there would be way more smoke right now if it was reality.
 
2023 is very dead, I don't think H1 2024 is out for the count though. Regardless I'm very thankful I finally caved and bought a ZOLED last month, sticking with Erista for 7-8 years would have killed me
 
HankyPanky said:
i absolutely hate to say it but 2025 looks more likely than 2023 at this point. Nintendo are dropping the ball with how this transition is going to be handled ie far too late. lots of cross-gen titles was always the way to move over smoothly before an entire slate of 'next-gen' titles would be ready. i admire those clinging to 2023 but there would be way more smoke right now if it was reality.
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I don’t see why 2025 would even be a possibility. 2024 is imo 100% the release year
 
ItWasMeantToBe19 said:
Yeah, I think this is definitely the "Switch 2 Fall 2024 at the earliest" confirmation.

Very full lineup for the rest of 2023 and already some stuff announced for 2024.
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I don't think the few titles in 2024 give much of an indicator that an early year release isn't happening. We also barely saw anything of the 2024 Peach game, which could very well be cross-gen. Switch will continue to get software announcements even after Switch 2 has been released for at least another year anyway.
 
Hermii said:
He said more likely than 2023, which I agree with. But 2024 is a lot more likely than 2025.
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In the worst case scenario, it will come out in late 2024. Dragging Switch for another year would be a stupid decision because Sony and Microsoft are very likely to reveal mid-gen (?) models of their consoles
 
We don't exactly know much right now. I mean if Sushi Striker can be cross gen, why not Super Mario Wonder? ☺️
 
RailWays said:
I don't think the few titles in 2024 give much of an indicator that an early year release isn't happening. We also barely saw anything of the 2024 Peach game, which could very well be cross-gen. Switch will continue to get software announcements even after Switch 2 has been released for at least another year anyway.
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Yeah, it just seems unlikely that they would be releasing a new system in early 2024 and wouldn't have already announced it. Any later announcement and it's going to really distract away from the Switch's 2023 holiday promotions.
 
HankyPanky said:
i absolutely hate to say it but 2025 looks more likely than 2023 at this point. Nintendo are dropping the ball with how this transition is going to be handled ie far too late. lots of cross-gen titles was always the way to move over smoothly before an entire slate of 'next-gen' titles would be ready. i admire those clinging to 2023 but there would be way more smoke right now if it was reality.
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Not sure how they are dropping the ball or that it’s too late. The big indicator for these would be if software sales were dipping noticeably. Since software engagement is still going strong then it more or less isn’t an issue.
 
oldpuck said:
Nintendo can spend 9 months putting out a few medium sized games with strong spotlights, while running the [redacted] hype train in parallel, then launch holiday season with new hardware and 3D Mario as an exclusive. It's not my favorite launch strategy, but it's a perfectly functional one. Nintendo took the possibility of a 2017 style one-two punch off the table when they started development on Tears, but they don't need a 2017 style blowout because they don't need to turn their fortunes around, they just need to maintain them
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Im split on this one. My worry is, that they are loosing the wider gaming media / landscape, the ones that usually are loud, good in making buzz, and the first one to adopt a new platform.
They will be fine, but i could see them loosing more momentum than they expected, having sales under perform for this financial year, and being back where they where with announcing MP4 and Bayonetta to early to get those people back.

It also worries me in the sense that the strategy also goes the want for a seamless transition, meaning there IS a higher chance that they want a clean break -> no GENERAL backwards compatibility, only with patches or as ports.
 
Tentacle-tropes said:
Not sure how they are dropping the ball or that it’s too late. The big indicator for these would be if software sales were dipping noticeably. Since software engagement is still going strong then it more or less isn’t an issue.
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2023 marks the 7th year of the Switch, and with this Direct we can see that Nintendo has still been able to maintain a steady cadence of titles. Maybe they have massive internal issues but at this point I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt and assume their pipeline is robust for 2024 and beyond.
 
squinters said:
Yeah, I mean I know the Wii U launched with New Super Mario Bros U, but I don't think that was quite the winning strategy for Nintendo
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I'm not sure Skyward Sword would have helped Wii U that much (probably some).

But I do know TOTK would have been a fantastic launch title for Drake.
 
D36 said:
They can't seriously be repeating the same mistakes as the end of the Wii, are they? The only solace here is that Drake can't possibly end up like the Wii U, right? ........right?

Oh God, I'm doomposting, now.....
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The problem with late-stage Wii was that the software stopped coming for Wii owners while they were trying to transition to an HD game development pipeline (along with launching the 3DS). Nintendo is still maintaining a steady release of quality software, so I don't think they'll have much issue with the transition period.
 
D36 said:
They can't seriously be repeating the same mistakes as the end of the Wii, are they? The only solace here is that Drake can't possibly end up like the Wii U, right? ........right?

Oh God, I'm doomposting, now.....
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"You were supposed to destroy them, not join them!"
 
RailWays said:
The problem with late-stage Wii was that the software stopped coming. Nintendo is still maintaining a steady release of quality software, so I don't think they'll have much issue with the transition period.
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IronTed said:
2023 marks the 7th year of the Switch, and with this Direct we can see that Nintendo has still been able to maintain a steady cadence of titles. Maybe they have massive internal issues but at this point I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt and assume their pipeline is robust for 2024 and beyond.
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The other issue, & I think this one is slightly more important, is that the software coming out wasn’t engaging the audience to any noticeable degree. You can have gaps between software but that means the software has to do well to keep engagement up. In the end the only audience engaged were diehards. And, die hards were the main audience of the WiiU.
 
Hermii said:
He said more likely than 2023, which I agree with. But 2024 is a lot more likely than 2025.
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agree 2024 has to be the year. but 2025 should be entertained because Nintendo seem to be coasting and willing to let the Switch momentum totally die before bringing anything else to market.
 
I still thinking the next system comes sometime in 2024 and that Nintendo is currently coasting until they are ready for the system and games to be shown . Nintendo would have to be very tone deaf wait all the way until 2025 to release a new system
 
Tentacle-tropes said:
Not sure how they are dropping the ball or that it’s too late. The big indicator for these would be if software sales were dipping noticeably. Since software engagement is still going strong then it more or less isn’t an issue.
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by this logic they could wait several more years as long as software sales remained reasonable. consumers like choice, a higher priced model would sell, as would cross-gen software. i just feel Nintendo are getting it wrong with the timing. they can afford to wait but it's not ideal.
 
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