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Never be surprised at Nintendo messing up a transitionDrake can't possibly end up like the Wii U, right?
They have a hit, what they do? “Oh let’s throw that away ”
Never be surprised at Nintendo messing up a transitionDrake can't possibly end up like the Wii U, right?
Do we think 2024 is the last year Drake (as we know) could be released? As in, it would be too weak/old for a 2025 release?
it will be shocking if MP4 isn't at least cross-gen at this point. seems like the ideal game to showcase hardware capabilities.It's super weird that we haven't seen metroid yet. I wonder if things are going well with development. Or if they want to show it off in the best quality on a new system....
And the decision to go with an early 2022 timeline for developing the soc would be all the more baffling the longer they wait.by this logic they could wait several more years as long as software sales remained reasonable. consumers like choice, a higher priced model would sell, as would cross-gen software. i just feel Nintendo are getting it wrong with the timing. they can afford to wait but it's not ideal.
Switch was revealed October 2016. That’s year earliest Direct was March.You know, briefly before Switch was revealed, Nintendo had a 3DS software Direct... How interesting.
I wonder if they can keep that up until late 2024.The problem with late-stage Wii was that the software stopped coming for Wii owners while they were trying to transition to an HD game development pipeline (along with launching the 3DS). Nintendo is still maintaining a steady release of quality software, so I don't think they'll have much issue with the transition period.
If we're going by mainline Zelda releases then we might as well wait until 2029.So Team 2023 do you really think Nintendo will launch Switch 2 without a new Mario and Zelda.
It's super weird that we haven't seen metroid yet. I wonder if things are going well with development. Or if they want to show it off in the best quality on a new system....
So Team 2023 do you really think Nintendo will launch Switch 2 without a new Mario and Zelda. If that 2D Mario game is the big Switch 2 launch game it would have been revealed with Switch 2. If you expect a new 3D Mario for Switch 2 at launch would it be the right strategy to release a 2D Mario and 3D Mario within a month of eachother? If it just launched with Zelda TotK port as the big launch game that's also not really a big deal. If you don't expect a new Mario or Zelda to launch with a Switch 2 then what do you expect to launch with it. It's can't be Mario Kart either as they will release another DLC pack for 8 Deluxe in the fall.
Agreed. Nothing mega big revealed... Yet.I'd say judging by on what hasn't been shown keeps 2023 on the table.
They very well could but at that point you are risking what you fear which is coming in too late. It’s not just about sales but also engagement with the console. That is to say if some bought ToTK, are they buying other software. This was a problem for the Wii outside of overall middling to okay sales.by this logic they could wait several more years as long as software sales remained reasonable. consumers like choice, a higher priced model would sell, as would cross-gen software. i just feel Nintendo are getting it wrong with the timing. they can afford to but it's not ideal.
We’ll probably see it next year for both systems.It's super weird that we haven't seen metroid yet. I wonder if things are going well with development. Or if they want to show it off in the best quality on a new system....
Metroid Prime 4 development is still progressing smoothly. Pikmin 5 is announced. and every year more & more SNES games are getting remastered.The year is 2030. People are still predicting the announcement of Wind Waker/Twilight Princess HD for Switch, and the Switch 2 hardware, in the upcoming Nintendo Direct video.
I think it's weird that we haven't seen it. Not that it isn't coming out. Nintendo were probably pretty embarrassed that they had to restart development. I'm just thinking why haven't we gotten any teasers or anything.I don’t really think it’s weird, let’s look at the facts that we know of: the game was restarted in 2018/19, and we have seen zero footage about the title. I think the only information on the title is “development is going smoothly“. I think it’s pretty clear at this point that if in 4 to 5 years we have seen not a single thing about this new title, they completely restarted development from the original developer of the original Metroid Prime 4 game and carried nothing from the original game that was being made since 2017 or whenever MP4 was originally announced.
And thus, due to the actual game being restarted, it’ll go through its full development cycle of those that are AAA in nature like we see these days which is 5-7 years of development/release/marketing, etc
I'm not sure how that's relevant.Switch was revealed October 2016. That’s year earliest Direct was March.
it's probably tied to new hardware and we'll see the next-gen version first when it eventually gets shown.I think it's weird that we haven't seen it. Not that it isn't coming out. Nintendo were probably pretty embarrassed that they had to restart development. I'm just thinking why haven't we gotten any teasers or anything.
Or they want to lock down a release date before showing it again. Or they just waiting until September's direct. Gotta have something for that.It's super weird that we haven't seen metroid yet. I wonder if things are going well with development. Or if they want to show it off in the best quality on a new system....
My bad! I did a quick search and only found a March DirectI'm not sure how that's relevant.
The Nintendo 3DS Direct was September 1st, 2016.
I don't see why jump straight to fall. We never thought Switch 1 software was going to stop completely when the new thing arrived, and things like "Luigi's Mansion 2 HD" and "Some Kind of Peach Thing" aren't as calendar-clearing as a new 2D Mario platformer.Yeah, I think this is definitely the "Switch 2 Fall 2024 at the earliest" confirmation.
Very full lineup for the rest of 2023 and already some stuff announced for 2024.
September Pikmin 1&2 HD retailCorrect me if I'm wrong, nothing in August/September. Then:
Detective Pikachu Returns - October 6, 2023
SMB Wonder - October 20, 2023
WarioWare: Move It! - November 6, 2023
Super Mario RPG - November 17, 2023
They did leave the 2 Pokemon DLC undated though so they can slide those in anywhere I suppose.
Nothing about MP4 obviously, but also nothing about Splatoon 3: Side Order DLC.
I mean that's a steady 5 week release schedule pre-Xmas. And as far as I can tell, Smash Bros has been the only major first party Switch game to be released in December. But still think they could still reveal another big game or two. Or I'm just being greedy.
I'm gonna disagree with you right there.Let’s not kid ourselves, Mario RPGs sells like 4M tops. Tops
It definitely will be.it will be shocking if MP4 isn't at least cross-gen at this point. seems like the ideal game to showcase hardware capabilities.
same goes for a potential F-Zero remaster.
unless of course both these games are to fill out 2024 as no new hardware is coming (lol)
Yes, that’s my point. I still have to pay full price for a The Beatles album today. Why should a game (good ones at least) be devalued despite that it can still run on the user’s hardware? A “generation” agnostic eShop will allow Nintendo to keep the evergreens going as long as they can, and help the niche titles reach potential buyers over time (“long tail” effect).Nintendo is relatively unique in that they maintain healthy sales of full price single player titles with little to no post-launch support. I would imagine Nintendo's aim here isn't to become like other videogame publishers, but rather to become like other media. In books, music and movies, you'll typically see years and decades-old titles selling well alongside newer titles, often at similar pricing. I'm sure Nintendo would be very happy if their latest Mario game had the same shelf life as The Godfather or Led Zeppelin IV.
Yeah, the story was fishy, but plausible under certain circumstances. There are black markets of social media accounts. People sometimes purchased them to build bot farms, conceal their identity, and/or circumventing their country’s legal ban.Let me see if I understand the narrative.
A no-name Twitter account posts a bunch of tweets in “Japanese/Chinese.”
Then, randomly, in August they post a fake leak about a game based on trademark post.
In September they sell that account to someone else who is, apparently, in the market for a Twitter account but doesn’t want to create one, something you can do anonymously with a burner phone bought at wallmart for 20 dollars.
That person then deletes all the tweets, renames the account, and starts posting gaming leaks.
Does it still make sense to have a direct in September anymore? Nintendo live will be a showcase for the current switch and current switch games held within that same month.Or they want to lock down a release date before showing it again. Or they just waiting until September's direct. Gotta have something for that.
That’s asking a lot for a Mario RPG. Like, a lot.I'm gonna disagree with you right there.
I think it will at least sell as much as the Ubisoft Mario rpg game crossovers, and a good chance it will surpass it. It has Mario all over it.
I don't expect it to sell as much as the new 2D Mario game. But I would not be too surprised if it gets closer to 10 million. Nintendo must be pretty confident with it to be putting it on release in November.
Apparently this person was legit too. Really weird how this wound up.Yeah, the story was fishy, but plausible under certain circumstances. There are black markets of social media accounts. People sometimes purchased them to build bot farms, conceal their identity, and/or circumventing their country’s legal ban.
Tokyo Game ShowDoes it still make sense to have a direct in September anymore?
Did we see anything from nintendo during TGS 2022?Tokyo Game Show
basically this. We can argue about whether Nintendo "needs" to do a direct but that's black and whiting the discussion a bit I think.Tokyo Game Show
This makes them getting everything right even funnierLet me see if I understand the narrative.
A no-name Twitter account posts a bunch of tweets in “Japanese/Chinese.”
Then, randomly, in August they post a fake leak about a game based on trademark post.
In September they sell that account to someone else who is, apparently, in the market for a Twitter account but doesn’t want to create one, something you can do anonymously with a burner phone bought at wallmart for 20 dollars.
That person then deletes all the tweets, renames the account, and starts posting gaming leaks.
I have no idea what games are coming in tomorrow’s Direct. I have no idea who this person is. I have no idea what their legitimacy is.
I do know that is the dumbest fucking cover story I’ve ever heard.
In what way are they losing them, over how much they had them? Nintendo games tend to be excluded from streaming charts, simply because they're single player experiences, but Tears broke into the top 10 last month, which hasn't happened since Breath of the Wild.Im split on this one. My worry is, that they are loosing the wider gaming media / landscape, the ones that usually are loud, good in making buzz, and the first one to adopt a new platform.
No. Switch is outselling Wii 2 to 1 by this point in it's lifecycle - actually, more than 2:1, closer to 5:2. The last 12 months of the Wii's lifetime only had 6 first party gamesThey can't seriously be repeating the same mistakes as the end of the Wii, are they? The only solace here is that Drake can't possibly end up like the Wii U, right? ........right?
I ate a big crow. First I was thinking that Pikmin 4 is a crossgen game, and after that, I was thinking that any new announce Nintendo would do is from a crossgen or next gen exclusive game.Doom-posters must be seething after this Nintendo Direct lol. "They won't announce any games past June" they said, "They're keeping them all for the next console" they said...
Yeah, I wasn't surprised but I was definitely amused.This makes them getting everything right even funnier
Or another Youtube employee like that brush person.Yeah, I wasn't surprised but I was definitely amused.
Their hard claims: 2D Mario, not "new", a remake of an SNES classic
Their soft claims, based on liking of tweets: Super Mario: Wondersomething, Super Mario RPG
Their hints: Detective Pikachu, Yoshi, Metal Gear Solid
So there was at least one thing that sits in the realm of "plausible deniability" that didn't seem to match up. I think "new game with Yoshi in it" is about as risky a prediction as "the earth will not crash into the sun tomorrow." But the rest seems strong. Considering it was a mix of first and third party stuff, you suspect a media person who had access to a presskit early.
The Yoshi was specifically the Big Yoshi from SMRPG, so it was them clarifying their "remake of a SNES classic" TweetYeah, I wasn't surprised but I was definitely amused.
Their hard claims: 2D Mario, not "new", a remake of an SNES classic
Their soft claims, based on liking of tweets: Super Mario: Wondersomething, Super Mario RPG
Their hints: Detective Pikachu, Yoshi, Metal Gear Solid
So there was at least one thing that sits in the realm of "plausible deniability" that didn't seem to match up. I think "new game with Yoshi in it" is about as risky a prediction as "the earth will not crash into the sun tomorrow." But the rest seems strong. Considering it was a mix of first and third party stuff, you suspect a media person who had access to a presskit early.
NOPESo 2D Mario and Super Mario RPG Remake are both fake rumors?
My one thing is would Nintendo actually launch a new system with Metroid Prime 4? I just can't see it. Mario Kart or 3D Mario would have to come sooner. It's the one holdup I have with the theory of Nintendo treating Prime 4 like BOTW lol.2D Mario looks great and will sell a lot, Zelda will keep selling. The only thing I was expecting to see but didn't was Tomadachi Switch with 2D mario to help secure the holiday sales, maybe they will announce it later. Team 2024 April or later with Metroid Prime 4 Cross gen launch for me!!!
Thats a Zelda thing, less a nintendo thing. But sure. I did not say they lost the audience, but in discourse (outside of Zelda being zelda) the enthusiasm for the platform and hype for new releases seems to slow down. Till now it worked, we will see how long it can work. Maybe im completly off in my assessment. Still feels like they will drag it out a little to long, if its Holiday 24. On the other hand, if they announce it this fall for a Spring launch, i could see it working.In what way are they losing them, over how much they had them? Nintendo games tend to be excluded from streaming charts, simply because they're single player experiences, but Tears broke into the top 10 last month, which hasn't happened since Breath of the Wild.
And thats nothing im suprized. For a handheld to work, you have the software side sorted out, and outside of nintendo (obvious, developed FOR the system) and and Valve (investing way more in the software layer since they benefit from store sales) none of the competitors has the incentive and cause of that also cant get a competitive price with of the shelve components.Every review of the emerging handheld space compares the hardware to Switch and Steam Deck - unfavorably, almost universally.
Don't know, for me its more "nintendo exclusives" or "sony/pc exclusives".Nintendo seemed briefly to have a sort of hold based on port begging, but I think that was short lived and is far gone. Those folks moved onto the Steam Deck a while ago, but I think they're well positioned to get those folks back with a new, more powerful handheld - and that's still at most a million people.