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I was SOOOO certain 2023 would be the Year of Switch 2. Personally felt like all the stars were falling into place for this. To name a few points:

1. The stockpile of raw materials.
2. Zelda being so surrounded in secrecy.
3. Pikmin 4(K) and Miyamoto's past desire for a 4K Pikmin game. Also felt like the game looked a little too clean for a Switch title. No doubt it's a Switch game but I would be surprised if it looks that good on a base Switch. I could be wrong.
4. While the Switch lineup has been fruitful in the last 2 years, it's been lacking a lot of key franchise titles (ie: Mario both 3D and 2D, Donkey Kong, Yoshi, etc) and I felt we were really due for some of these games to return.
5. Nate saying late 2022/early 2023 for so long. That was his messaging (Switch Pro was rumored canceled several years back) so I figured Nate was referring to what we are now viewing as Switch 2.

I don't know how to feel anymore. Kind of just waiting for clarity at this point. This whole thing has been the weirdest rumor cycle I've ever seen. I no longer believe in 2023 but at the same time I was so certain of it around June of last year. I guess though, that's how I felt every years since 2020 though and the years just kept piling on.

Well there isn't much for me to look forward to from Nintendo that I am aware of so far this year. I think Zelda and the Mario movie is about the only Nintendo content I'm excited for at the moment but I'm happy for those who are excited for the other announced titles. Hoping a surprise or two could make me a little more excited or this will just be another dull year for me personally.
 
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Regarding the hardware forecast discussed earlier: On 2017-04-17, just a month and a half after the Switch release, Nintendo published a mea culpa because "the shipment volume of Nintendo Switch hardware exceeded our forecast". They may do this again should they decide to hide a new model from the FY03/2024 forecast.
 
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Kevin said:
I was SOOOO certain 2023 would be the Year of Switch 2. Personally felt like all the stars were falling into place for this. To name a few points:

1. The stockpile of raw materials.
2. Zelda being so surrounded in secrecy.
3. Pikmin 4(K) and Miyamoto's past desire for a 4K Pikmin game. Also felt like the game looked a little too clean for a Switch title. No doubt it's a Switch game but I would be surprised if it looks that good on a base Switch. I could be wrong.
4. While the Switch lineup has been fruitful in the last 2 years, it's been lacking a lot of key franchise titles (ie: Mario both 3D and 2D, Donkey Kong, Yoshi, etc) and I felt we were really due for some of these games to return.
5. Nate saying late 2022/early 2023 for so long. That was his messaging (Switch Pro was rumored canceled several years back) so I figured Nate was referring to what we are now viewing as Switch 2.

I don't know how to feel anymore. Kind of just waiting for clarity at this point. This whole thing has been the weirdest rumor cycle I've ever seen. I no longer believe in 2023 but at the same time I was so certain of it around June of last year. I guess though, that's how I felt every years since 2020 though and the years just kept piling on.

Well there isn't much for me to look forward to from Nintendo that I am aware of so far this year. I think Zelda and the Mario movie is about the only Nintendo content I'm excited for at the moment but I'm happy for those who are excited for the other announced titles. Hoping a surprise or two could make me a little more excited or this will just be another dull year for me personally.
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Again, I wouldn't put too much credence into predictions of an empty 2H 2023, as we have relatively little to nothing to infer from. I am expecting some sort of announcement in May, as I know Nintendo wouldn't want to let their userbase hang dry.
 
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oldpuck said:
Look, we done fucked up when we left CRT behind, and every display technology is just a different circle of hell we have to sit in until ChatGPT becomes sentient and we have a full Matrix situation.
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...but that would also just be a simulation in our head, surely inferior to a great CRT
 
oldpuck said:
Look, we done fucked up when we left CRT behind, and every display technology is just a different circle of hell we have to sit in until ChatGPT becomes sentient and we have a full Matrix situation.
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I have a CRT, one capable of surviving the apocalypse possibly. It's great. TV technology has just been circling around trying to achieve CRT again but in different form factors. Still the undisputed retro king and adds so much flavour to the many indie retro-inspired games being released these days when you hook a console up to one of them.

Even with remaster after remaster, hook me up to the nostalgia monitor and drip them member-berries through until I'm high on it. Emulation's great but there's so much charm and personality to playing on a CRT.
 
So ... i'm confused, we not only have a new "uncle" from a few pages back (with imo iffy credibility), but the other uncle(s) posted something again?

Too many uncles. We need to categorize them. Maybe like in Xenoblade 3, Keves Uncles and Agnus Uncles.

SpaceGodzilla said:
what country do our uncles work at again?
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China, i'd say.
 
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Regardless of that, the more solid info seems to mostly point to this year in general, without much specificity. I personally think an announcement in the next couple months is is probable.
 
Yeah people need to stop putting too much stock in that ‘Nintendo has nothing after Zelda’ comment, they will have stuff, it might not be a new big 3D Mario but they won’t leave Switch hanging like Wii U in 2016
 
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You are not getting a 1536 Cuda core GPU and 8 core CPU with a battery, OLED screen and likely 12GB of RAM on a 5nm process for $399. The break even price for that with inflation is likely already $450+.

They are also not going to launch their next gen console to only be $100 more than their OLED model.
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North America will. Canada and others will not.
 
Discostew said:
As Batman evolves, OLED gets more efficient displaying them.

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2025: "I am the night"
 
Bonejack said:
Too many uncles. We need to categorize them. Maybe like in Xenoblade 3, Keves Uncles and Agnus Uncles.
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Hear me out...

Uncle Uncles, the Alphaverse Uncle with the best of all the alternate universe Uncles information that'll clear everything up once and for all.

Maybe the one will arrive that'll solve everything.
 
Bonejack said:
So ... i'm confused, we not only have a new "uncle" from a few pages back (with imo iffy credibility), but the other uncle(s) posted something again?

Too many uncles. We need to categorize them. Maybe like in Xenoblade 3, Keves Uncles and Agnus Uncles.



China, i'd say.
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LiC said:
2. If the hardware was cancelled in the past year (and therefore presumably was the one with NVN2/T239), there would be no time for Nintendo to develop another new kind of hardware to release in 2024. Even if they already had plans for successor hardware, moving those plans up to 2024 would not be possible unless the original plan had been to launch it unrealistically close to the supposed revision, to the point that it would have been in development alongside it,¹ which is not believable for numerous reasons.
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Why can’t “cancelled” mean T239-enabled product just moves from 2023 to 2024?
 
Vash_the_Stampede said:
Why can’t “cancelled” mean T239-enabled product just moves from 2023 to 2024?
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Because it would basically still have to be the same product. You can't do a full new hardware project in one year even if you "reuse" parts from the cancelled one.

So "cancelled" meaning a move from 2023 to 2024 would basically just be a delay.
 
We need clarificaiton on the revision that was 'cancelled' ASAP.
The discussion just goes in circles around what was actually cancelled.
 
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Yes, that’s exactly my point. You can cancel the 2023 launch of said product.
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Sure, but that's not cancelling the whole device (as it is/was implied over the holidays). It's just a delay.

E: And i think everyone working in the industry tipping off DF or others, as well as said people from DF and others, are able to distinguish between "cancelled" and "delayed". ^^
 
After all the never-ending revision/successor discussion, it would be funny if they actually cancelled a revision to release a successor but it's the exact same product. It's what we all deserve as penance for our sins.
 
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Vash_the_Stampede said:
😂😂😂

Miscommunication is a staple of how language works generally
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True, but you're basically admitting that if someone is under the impression that a device delayed by a year is cancelled then that was due to a miscommunication.

Obviously this is all semantics but I think Occam's razor suggests that if someone is claiming a product was cancelled then they likely don't mean it was delayed by a year.
 
Skittzo said:
Obviously this is all semantics but I think Occam's razor suggests that if someone is claiming a product was cancelled then they likely don't mean it was delayed by a year.
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How can you be so sure when one of our two sources of something having been cancelled acknowledged the exact situation Vash describes?

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In the meantime: just operate under the condition of a plan to bring something out in 2023 may or may not exist.

Don't think of it as a cancellation of an SoC. At best, think of it as a delay to bring the SoC to market via this specific product.
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ArchedThunder said:
Everything I can find online says OLED drains more power, is there something somewhere that shows the opposite at smaller sizes? I can only find data going as low as 32 inches.

Steam Deck is a low volume product, and Xbox and PS are targeting people who want the best console graphics and performance. I feel like the more you go over $400 the worse the value proposition is, especially since you can get a PS5 for $400. Pricing high for early adopters isn’t a long term strategy you can rely on any more since prices don’t drop like they used to, that’s the whole reason the Xbox series S exists.
I think you’re over estimating how much Nintendo would have to pay.
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Complete false price equivalence there. A digital PS5 and XSS have no physical option, meaning that the consumer can't enjoy resale value, or in-store/retail discount options, or exchange or borrow games between friends. You also can't play anywhere as both systems require you to be tethered to a wall. But you can do all of those things on a Switch. After that, you're paying for full access to a suite of exclusive gameplay content. In the past, full access meant paying for separate home and portable devices, so, $399 ($249 + $150 for a Wii and DS at launch), or $478 ($299 + $179 for a Wii U and 3DS after their price cuts). So, you paid those prices, anyway. Now, you don't have to do that, but one might reconsider what "full access" looks like, and adapt accordingly. I don't see them going higher than $399, BUT even at closer to $499, "value proposition" goes beyond the system's power , and to tie it to that element alone is extremely limiting. Would also put it to you that most people would be willing to make trade-offs for a definitive portable experience and something which suits daily lifestyles in an ever faster-living world. There's a reason why phones, tablets and laptops have replaced desktops worldwide, and that is because being free from wall sockets also gives people more time, which is a currency. Most people don't actually care for more graphics or the highest settings - Even with portability, many are fine with watching videos on 480p to preserve battery life on their phones, while on the console front, the most powerful one wasn't the most successful more often than not, and "Pro/X" editions never outsold their respective Vanilla models.
 
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Shadowrun said:
That was my thought too. Old Uncle is working on a Oled model and the new one, Drake?
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Both funcles seem to (claim to) know what is the same and what is different between the OLED model and the new one, beyond just the paint.
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How can you be so sure when one of our two sources of something having been cancelled acknowledged the exact situation Vash describes?
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It's early and I just drank my coffee so apologies if I'm missing something but doesn't that post explicitly say "don't think of it as a cancellation"? That's all I'm trying to say here. A cancelled product doesn't just release a year later. A cancelled product doesn't release.

DF, who are the ones who originally mentioned a cancelled product, were almost certainly referring to a Mariko based pro likely for 2019, which was indeed cancelled cancelled. Not delayed cancelled.
 
Skittzo said:
Both funcles seem to know what is the same and what is different between the OLED model and the new one, beyond just the paint.

It's early and I just drank my coffee so apologies if I'm missing something but doesn't that post explicitly say "don't think of it as a cancellation"? That's all I'm trying to say here. A cancelled product doesn't just release a year later. A cancelled product doesn't release.

DF, who are the ones who originally mentioned a cancelled product, were almost certainly referring to a Mariko based pro likely for 2019, which was indeed cancelled cancelled. Not delayed cancelled.
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all we know is that a known midgen refresh "no longer seems to be happening" and that nate's 2023 product was shelved. a planned 2023 "switch pro" using drake being abandoned in favor of a 2024+ "switch 2" using drake does not contradict those statements
 
Selarmor said:
Nate's most recent statements seem to imply that the device using Drake as originally intended was "cancelled" in favor of using Drake for another device that is somehow different i.e. the device was cancelled, but the SoC was merely delayed. Given Drake was designed with clear goals in mind, and not as some general purpose chip, I can't imagine how a new device could be significantly different enough to warrant that kind of thing. The only thing I can think of is Nintendo wanting to add some new type of input/sensor/peripheral/gimmick, and change the branding/marketing accordingly.

Is something like that even viable?
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That has been my suspicion too, but I think the more likely explanation is that insider info is a game of telephone and the information we get is incomplete.
 
Raccoon said:
all we know is that a known midgen refresh "no longer seems to be happening" and that nate's 2023 product was shelved. a planned 2023 "switch pro" using drake being abandoned in favor of a 2024+ "switch 2" using drake does not contradict those statements
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Sure, but really all I was doing was debating the literal definition of "cancelled". If someone heard from a developer source that "oh this product was cancelled" then they would probably not report that that product will release a bit later.

Just purely guessing here, but if Nate heard from someone that the plans to release a Drake Switch in late 2022/early 2023 were no longer happening and then he sees Digital Foundry ruminate on a shelved revision, then he might very well put two and two together and believe that the entire project he heard of was scrapped. When in reality the specific launch plans were just pushed back.

That's really what I think has happened here, Nate wouldn't have said anything if DF didn't make that offhand comment. Which, again, from the context in the video seems to clearly be about a Mariko based pro cancelled several years ago.
 
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