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Gotdatmoneyy said:
They did update the game but normally updates don't employ very new technologies since they have the potential to break stuff.

Things I expect or would make sense would be
  • Relatively stable framerate equal to or above BOTW
  • Temporal upsample to improve viewing resolution. Starting at 720p and upsampling to 1080p is a possibility and would save performance vs the 900p dynamic resolution setup they have used in BOTW
  • Improved texture work
  • Better LoDs

I think those things would provide a noticeable upgrade while being within the Switch's capabilities. BOTW is still very much a WiiU game. The Switch has more power and advanced features to play with on top of software advances. I don't anticipate a huge jump because I expect there to be gameplay innovations that are going to need to be considered but I think the visual makeup should see a bold step up.

We really need a long trailer or gameplay slice so stronger analysis can be done or digital foundry can observe. We are only 5 months off which suggest by March we should have a lot more footage.
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I think the upsampling to 1080 could becontrovertial, i have seen comparisons (not zelda, different games and techniques over the years), and sometimes i prefered the upsampled one, sometimes the native res... so, yeah, depends i guess. i would not say that it by itself is a better solution.
stable framerate: as mentioned, BotW is already there, and i expect about the same with a handful more dips in heavy scenes.
improved texture work: i really really hope so, thats one aspect where i hope that the increased ram size could benefit the game.
But i don't feel like the space where the main problem, since the game had also some great texture work in some areas.
As is, the textures in the trailer for Terrain still look rather...muddy. Especially the zoom to the mural in the beginning of the last trailer... that's a new asset, but it really does not look sharp, while not being a fast moving scene where you can argue that compression is chewing it up...
better LoD: i hope so. pop in, LoD and environmental textures where my biggest gripes with the game, the game could jump from a stunning vista to a muddy mess in seconds by just gliding to a different place.

I am with you, that there definitely are some aspects whre improvments can be made.
But your expectations also seem to be rather in line whats realistic. I have read expectations where its like "it was a fast and dirty port, now they can build it ron the ground up for switch and it will look sooooo much better!"... and thats just not how that stuff works. It was the big showcase game, they did as much as they could for a whole year with a lot of money to make it a spectacle, it was not a half assed port. It also did use some of the additional resources for stability, better audio and a higher resolution. And development hardware is unified enough that we wont see those spectacular "On launch VS end of generation" jumps like old consoles that had such specialized hardware that porting meant reprogramming half of the game.

Will it look better? yeah. Will those aspects you mentioned be the major changes? probably. Will it look like a generational jump? no chance. (and its not what you expect, and i hope not what most people here expect)
 
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Raccoon said:
united states citizens, don't forget that the supreme court says you can emulate dumped copies of games you own
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Good point!
However, this is my gaming machine atm:
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ArchedThunder said:
Everything I can find online says OLED drains more power, is there something somewhere that shows the opposite at smaller sizes? I can only find data going as low as 32 inches.
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It's a fundamental property of the tech. From Wikipedia:

While an OLED will consume around 40% of the power of an LCD displaying an image that is primarily black, for the majority of images it will consume 60–80% of the power of an LCD. However, an OLED can use more than 300% power to display an image with a white background, such as a document or web site. This can lead to reduced battery life in mobile devices when white backgrounds are used.
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LCDs have to light up the whole screen all the time, OLEDs light up each individual pixel. Black pixels aren't lit up at all, that's why OLEDs have deeper blacks. So power tests can lie based on use case. A power test developed for an LCD that just shows a white screen will show huge power use for OLED, which sitting in the dark and watching Batman, the OLED uses much less power.

OLEDs are often brighter than LCDs, which is why you can't compare two TV screens to see the power advantages. For a device plugged into a wall, a manufacturer will choose a brighter screen that looks better on a showroom than being power efficient. The Switch OLED screen is actually slightly dimmer than the LCD screen, so that's not relevant in this case.

For a video game device, an OLED screen almost definitely offers a small, but real, power advantage.
 
LiC said:
This is the image from that post.
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The release date is normal to see on boxes sent out to stores for them to display before launch sompeople can pre-order, but what makes me doubt is:

The release date is barely visible.
The back is extremely plain.
The inside is just a repeat of the outside.
 
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I'll make my prediction that Nintendo will announce new hardware is coming in the FY during their year end in April/May. Plans to unveil it at/around E3, which coincidentally is coming back in a big way this year. Launching November 2023 with Mario.
 
Seems like a promotional boxart, but I wouldn't be surprised in the slightest if it's real or close to how the final boxart will look. As I assume Nintendo is probably gonna use that art for the inside.

Curious what the back says. The second line starts with "Link's..." But I can't make out the rest due to the blurriness.
 
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when the thread gained many pages today in such a short time it could only mean one thing - Uncles.

unfortunately these were not the Uncles we were looking for and it doesn't look good for a Zelda launch.

the only way this resolves is with further Uncles who have better things to report. either way the Uncles are the key to all this.
 
oldpuck said:
It's a fundamental property of the tech. From Wikipedia:



LCDs have to light up the whole screen all the time, OLEDs light up each individual pixel. Black pixels aren't lit up at all, that's why OLEDs have deeper blacks. So power tests can lie based on use case. A power test developed for an LCD that just shows a white screen will show huge power use for OLED, which sitting in the dark and watching Batman, the OLED uses much less power.

OLEDs are often brighter than LCDs, which is why you can't compare two TV screens to see the power advantages. For a device plugged into a wall, a manufacturer will choose a brighter screen that looks better on a showroom than being power efficient. The Switch OLED screen is actually slightly dimmer than the LCD screen, so that's not relevant in this case.

For a video game device, an OLED screen almost definitely offers a small, but real, power advantage.
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If the dissadvantage in power draw would really be significant im confident that the mobile phone market would have had more diversity, as it stands (especialyl with dark themes and such) oled has become the default for mid to high end devices, so i asume the real life power draw difference is not that high (especially since it is just 1 part of the equation, with the SOC, speakers, wifi, ram, bluetooth, storage all having their own burden on battery life...)

but if could be on real factor where 2 players have different battery stats with the same brigtness, one playing FE TH and one FE E =P
 
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HankyPanky said:
unfortunately these were not the Uncles we were looking for and it doesn't look good for a Zelda launch.

the only way this resolves is with further Uncles who have better things to report. either way the Uncles are the key to all this.
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Apparently this uncle said back in May '21 the OLED wasn't going to launch that October. I think they know something but their timing estimations may be off.

But the hint I'm getting from all of this is that I'm not going to buy an OLED this year. :)
 
Serif said:
Apparently this uncle said back in May '21 the OLED wasn't going to launch that October. I think they know something but their timing estimations may be off.

But the hint I'm getting from all of this is that I'm not going to buy an OLED this year. :)
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nice here's hoping he's a well meaning but sometimes inaccurate Uncle.

the Uncle i'm most fond of is the one who said the production lines are going into overdrive. that's my kind of Uncle.

but even if it doesn't launch with Zelda i'd be satisfied if a timeline for later this year became firmer/definite.
 
InsouciantSoul said:
Has anyone managed to decipher what the symbols are on the back of the joycons from the supposed ToTK Switch leak?
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We have a Tears of the Kingdom discussion thread for exactly questions like this, for future reference.

To answer your question though, one symbol certainly seems to be derived from the kanji symbol for “time”, we are less certain about the other symbol though.
 
oldpuck said:
LCDs have to light up the whole screen all the time, OLEDs light up each individual pixel. Black pixels aren't lit up at all, that's why OLEDs have deeper blacks. So power tests can lie based on use case. A power test developed for an LCD that just shows a white screen will show huge power use for OLED, which sitting in the dark and watching Batman, the OLED uses much less power.
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As Batman evolves, OLED gets more efficient displaying them.

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NintenDuvo said:
Not trying to throw any digs at Nate but by the time he actually decides to say something we would have heard from Nintendo already about their plans, so dont get your hopes up
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Yeah I agree, it seems Nate only speaks once someone says something else first. I could be %100 wrong but I am not concerned with the podcast at this rate because I feel like what he will have to say is something that will have been brought up already
 
oldpuck said:
OLEDs are often brighter than LCDs, which is why you can't compare two TV screens to see the power advantages. For a device plugged into a wall, a manufacturer will choose a brighter screen that looks better on a showroom than being power efficient. The Switch OLED screen is actually slightly dimmer than the LCD screen, so that's not relevant in this case.
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Oooh! Finally something I know about!

OLEDs are actually dimmer than LED LCD displays, typically. In fact, when it comes to TVs, brightness is the one area (aside from image retention I guess) where LCDs have OLEDs comprehensively beat. A good LED LCD TV can easily have a peak brightness of 2,000 nits or even more. The best OLEDs will not reach this (or if they can it will be in extremely small windows for short periods of time).

However, unless you have a lot of direct sunlight, the perceived brightness of an OLED will be as high if not higher than an LCD. This is because (a) the human eye doesn't care that much about absolute brightness; past a certain point, it will think "yeah that's bright" and be done with it, and (b) the near-infinite contrast ratio of OLEDs make the bright highlights appear brighter by comparison
 
hologram said:
Oooh! Finally something I know about!

OLEDs are actually dimmer than LED LCD displays, typically. In fact, when it comes to TVs, brightness is the one area (aside from image retention I guess) where LCDs have OLEDs comprehensively beat. A good LED LCD TV can easily have a peak brightness of 2,000 nits or even more. The best OLEDs will not reach this (or if they can it will be in extremely small windows for short periods of time).

However, unless you have a lot of direct sunlight, the perceived brightness of an OLED will be as high if not higher than an LCD. This is because (a) the human eye doesn't care that much about absolute brightness; past a certain point, it will think "yeah that's bright" and be done with it, and (b) the near-infinite contrast ratio of OLEDs make the bright highlights appear brighter by comparison
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Adding another interesting bit to this post:
When comparing a pretty decent LED panel to an OLED one, in a bright enough environment, the perceived blacks on the LED display are really close to an OLED.
The comparison falls apart once you re-do the test in a dark environment - the backlight on the LED panel becomes way more obvious and the darker tones turn into a grey-ish black or light grey depending on how poor your panel is.

I found that LED panels that are comparable to OLED follow these general characteristics:
  • a contrast ratio of at least ~1200:1 - 1500:1
  • little to no backlight bleed
  • glossy finish
  • over 90% aRGB coverage and decent enough P3 coverage as well (both things most OLED panels excell at)

From my experience, these are common on devices such as:
  • smartphones (specially the cheaper/older iPhones)
  • samsung/LG LED TVs, specially Samsung's latest 50inch+
  • lenovo YOGA or dell XPS laptops
 
niconiconick64 said:
Adding another interesting bit to this post:
When comparing a pretty decent LED panel to an OLED one, in a bright enough environment, the perceived blacks on the LED display are really close to an OLED.
The comparison falls apart once you re-do the test in a dark environment - the backlight on the LED panel becomes way more obvious and the darker tones turn into a grey-ish black or light grey depending on how poor your panel is.

I found that LED panels that are comparable to OLED follow these general characteristics:
  • a contrast ratio of at least ~1200:1 - 1500:1
  • little to no backlight bleed
  • glossy finish
  • over 90% aRGB coverage and decent enough P3 coverage as well (both things most OLED panels excell at)

From my experience, these are common on devices such as:
  • smartphones (specially the cheaper/older iPhones)
  • samsung/LG LED TVs, specially Samsung's latest 50inch+
  • lenovo YOGA or dell XPS laptops
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Great led (especially ips) pannels can look stunning in mit to bright environments, but in darkness (unlit rooms, brightness turned down) its starting to loose, cause even the best have a grey look to their blacks.

(mid entry/mid range lg ips 4k monitor, dell xps13, ipad 9th gen, and an lg g6 .. and all are obviously led in the dark)
 
Aether said:
Great led (especially ips) pannels can look stunning in mit to bright environments, but in darkness (unlit rooms, brightness turned down) its starting to loose, cause even the best have a grey look to their blacks.

(mid entry/mid range lg ips 4k monitor, dell xps13, ipad 9th gen, and an lg g6 .. and all are obviously led in the dark)
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I had an LG G6. While I certainly LIKE OLED displays, I think overall I might prefer LCD/LED. Hopefully MicroLED has the best of both worlds. OLED's burn in problem is pretty severe, even on Samsung panels, and at low brightness the very slight differences between the pixels become more obvious, making the screen look grainy.

Though it also depends on usecase. I prefer LCD for phones and OLED on Switch.
 
Concernt said:
I had an LG G6. While I certainly LIKE OLED displays, I think overall I might prefer LCD/LED. Hopefully MicroLED has the best of both worlds. OLED's burn in problem is pretty severe, even on Samsung panels, and at low brightness the very slight differences between the pixels become more obvious, making the screen look grainy.

Though it also depends on usecase. I prefer LCD for phones and OLED on Switch.
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Oh yeah, both can look grainy (im still confused how nobody except me is bothered by the obvious black lines on the og switch);
and i prefer my natural looking lcd to many candylooking or pen tile matrix oleds.
a good screen is a good screen and i also have high hopes for microled
 
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panel preference is indeed personal. would agree and prefer IPS type for phones & monitors, they just appear smoother on the eyes especially for text. OLED is great for gaming & movies though no doubt. would still take a top-end Plasma TV over any OLED though.
 
HankyPanky said:
panel preference is indeed personal. would agree and prefer IPS type for phones & monitors, they just appear smoother on the eyes especially for text. OLED is great for gaming & movies though no doubt. would still take a top-end Plasma TV over any OLED though.
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I loved my Plasma, but I dunno about this. the motion resolution on plasma is terrific, but the color and brightness of OLED are so nice.
 
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Raccoon said:
united states citizens, don't forget that the supreme court says you can emulate dumped copies of games you own
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Been putting this to good use on my Analogue Pocket. Nifty little machine.

Shame a few of my dumps seemed to fail, gonna have to redump Zero Mission and Minish Cap got borked somehow :/
 
I'm oled till I die on everything at this point. If Switch 2 doesn't have an oled option it would kill most of my motivation to play it handheld. Which might sound silly but it would just be such a downgrade for me.,
 
Nintendo games and OLED are definitely a match made in heaven. having being raised on RGB Scart for the Gamecube then using a Plasma it's a pleasure to see the Switch on a comparable display.
 
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kvetcha said:
I loved my Plasma, but I dunno about this. the motion resolution on plasma is terrific, but the color and brightness of OLED is so nice.
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I'm living the dream with my OLED + forced HDR + Black Frame Insertion. Motion looks just as good as my CRT. :cool:
 
Look, we done fucked up when we left CRT behind, and every display technology is just a different circle of hell we have to sit in until ChatGPT becomes sentient and we have a full Matrix situation.
 
oldpuck said:
Look, we done fucked up when we left CRT behind, and every display technology is just a different circle of hell we have to sit in until ChatGPT becomes sentient and we have a full Matrix situation.
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i remember being hyped for SED-TV seemed to be the best of all worlds. RIP.
 
What if the Switch 2's "gimmick" is an SED screen?

"SEDs combine the advantages of CRTs, namely their high contrast ratios, wide viewing angles, and very fast response times, with the packaging advantages of LCD and other flat panel displays." - Wikipedia
 
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Apologies if this has been discussed to death at this point, but I was thinking about the Bloomberg report from 2021. A lot of people online dismissed it as damage control, instead of trying to piece together what could be real info conflated with the Switch OLED. And now that we've heard a Switch Pro was supposedly cancelled, that just adds another layer to the conflation station.

Developers Are Making Games for a Nintendo 4K Console That Doesn’t Exist

Two years ago, dev kits are reportedly in possession. PS5 and Xbox Series X dev kits were also distributed in 2018, 2 years prior to the consoles launch.

Bloomberg had 'at least 11 companies' making games for a "Nintendo 4K console". Not just Zynga though they were named.

Both Zynga and Nintendo deny these reports, but the wording is particularly interesting to look back on.

To clarify, Zynga does not have a 4K developer kit from Nintendo. As a Switch developer for the upcoming Star Wars: Hunters game that Zynga announced on a recent Nintendo Direct, we can confirm that none of the developer kits Zynga has or is in receipt of are 4K developer kits.
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4K developer kit certainly seems like a weird way of wording. A next gen development kit wouldn't have to be strictly a "4K" development kit. Considering the system wouldn't be hitting Native 4K, and it's simply a next gen dev kit.

A news report on Sept. 30, 2021(JST) falsely claims that Nintendo is supplying tools to drive game development for a Nintendo Switch with 4K support
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Now, not a Nintendo Switch with 4K support, but something else surely? By this point the "Switch Pro" (Aula?) may have very well been cancelled, but next gen hardware dev kits certainly. Some might say "well isn't the Switch 2 just a Switch?" and to that I'd say Nintendo certainly didn't think the 3DS was just a 3D Nintendo DS.

I have a hard time believing that whatever this system is (likely for Drake) was cancelled post dev kit distribution. Or that it's been widely repurposed past the real Drake leaks we've gotten.

In my mind everything lines up for this year, Nintendo's FY2024. Any longer and I'll be either incredibly confused, or doubtful that Nintendo learned how to not repeat a Wii U launch situation.
 
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oldpuck said:
Look, we done fucked up when we left CRT behind, and every display technology is just a different circle of hell we have to sit in until ChatGPT becomes sentient and we have a full Matrix situation.
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Sir I lifted a 200lb+ ~36 inch CRT once, my back is angry just thinking about the damn thing.
 
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