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12cheeper said:
99%?Are you sure about That?Nintendos put out around 100 games on switch and a pretty good chunk run at 30 and full 1080p is even rarer.
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Raccoon

All of these new exclusive Switch titles target 60fps -

Super Mario Odyssey.
Super Mario 3D World: Bowser's Fury (60fps when docked).
Super Smash Bros Ultimate.
Metroid Dread.
Super Mario Party.
Super Mario Party Superstars.
Mario Tennis.
Mario Golf.
Mario Strikers.
ARMS.
Hyrule Warriors.
The Legend of Zelda: Link's Awakening.
Fire Emblem Warriors.
Yoshi's Crafted World.

All of these "Deluxe" Wii U ports (which in most cases also increase resolution from 720p to 900p/1080p) are also 60fps on Switch -

Super Mario 3D World Deluxe.
Super Mario Bros U Deluxe.
Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze Deluxe.
Captain Toad Treasure Tracker Deluxe.
Mario Kart 8 Deluxe.
Bayonetta 1.
Bayonetta 2.
Pokken Tournament DX.

A ton of indy games and some ports also run at 60fps.

Breath of the Wild, Pokemon and Fire Emblem are the main big Switch exclusive titles that are 30fps. The first two for the open Worlds and the third for the amount of character models on screen at once.

Pikmin 3 is a disgustingly lazy port. There's no reason why the game doesn't run at least at 1080p/30fps (it's still 720p on Switch) but all those creatures on screen at once is the main reason it's 30fps whether it's CPU or GPU bound.

Compare those above games to the big name Sony and Xbox exclusives of the PS4/XBO generation. They almost always targeted 30fps until the Pro/X/PS5/XBSS/XBSX arrived which let them brute force 60fps. The games were still designed around 30fps.

The Switch games that target 30fps will easily be 60fps (some 120fps if they allow) with the new CPU compute budget boost developers are about to get with the new Switch model. I just pray Nintendo don't limit the games to the same framerate on both Switch chipsets for some sort of loyalty parity...

I also expect Metroid Prime 4 to also target 60fps on the base Switch at least when docked.

My main point was that 60fps is the standard on Switch for it's exclusive games. Sure you can name 30fps games but they're the exception not the rule. Long may it continue as targeting 60fps is one of the things I love most about Nintendo because it not only looks better than 30fps, 60fps games just play better due to the reduced controller input lag.
 
metonight said:
Strongest evidence of RDR2 eventually coming to Switch is this unused asset:


You can also find the string "nx64" in the main executable. (might be related to the game engine RAGE since it also mentions the Wii iirc)
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I mean Monster Hunter Rise on PC has PS button prompts but it's not coming to PS as far as I know and I'm pretty sure it's not the only game like that where it has button prompts for systems it's not on.

Though a cloud version of RDR2 could be on Switch
 
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Shiba said:
Nate is the only person as far as I know that had an actual time frame for whenever this device was suppose to release(EOY 202/Early 2023), no else said anything or at least collaborated which is why I don't think people should focus in on that time frame unless others start saying the same as well. Definitely a handful have mentioned dev kits are out in the wild, which I think most agree is likely. For 2022 successor console I would assume we would got a hella lot more smoke by now for it rather than a slim/lite, Pro model.

Just my 2 cent, and I think waiting after early 2024 is too long as developing for old hardware as the Switch is suffering at that point.
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I'd personally expect it March'23 for BotW 2 at the earliest and I'm betting it will be called "Switch 2" since it will be six years after the original and be made clear it's backwards compatible with a year of cross gen games so as not to upset Switch owners who don't want to upgrade just yet.
 
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Hermii said:
Are similar icons for other controllers shown in the pc version?
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Yes, example:
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Of course I am not saying it would 100% come to Switch, maybe the assets are just future proofed.
 
Hosermess said:
Didn't someone make a very cryptic post that alluded to Rockstar having a devkit?

Don't think it was a Hidden-like poster either (who went, in a few days, from posting almost random stuff in here to having leaks from the "deep webz"....that was fun though) and I don't think it was in this thread.
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bloopland33 said:
I know what you’re talking about. Can’t remember the poster though…it was a few months ago. I feel like it was a semi-regular poster in this thread? On the tip of my tongue.
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Oh yeah, Hosermess, it was Polygon, scroll up a bit.
 
Take 2's one of the biggest supporters of Switch this gen. Hard to imagine they wouldn't have tested feasiblity either as a cloud version, impossible port or simply future proofed it because they knew about the next console by then. We also have some industry journos reporting on it, like Totillo abov.

People twisting themselves into knots to refute it is just bizarre. This is the same publisher that gave Switch a 1 year console exclusivity on Civ 6 and for all intents and purposes it was the lead version for consoles.
 
metonight said:
Strongest evidence of RDR2 eventually coming to Switch is this unused asset:


You can also find the string "nx64" in the main executable. (might be related to the game engine RAGE since it also mentions the Wii iirc)
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If im not mistaken that is for Stadia, Stadia allows you to use Pro Controller.
 
Polygon said:
As I've said before I know someone who plays for the Scottish Cowboys and they recently told me "don't bother asking for it for Christmas" when wondering aloud if it will come this year but they could be winding me up lol. That's all I've gotten since last time. I don't want to push because like all developers they're under nda's.

I'd personally expect it March'23 for BotW 2 at the earliest and I'm betting it will be called "Switch 2" since it will be six years after the original and be made clear it's backwards compatible with a year of cross gen games so as not to upset Switch owners who don't want to upgrade just yet.
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Please, introduce yourself.

Are you a new leaker on the horizon?
 
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Dekuman said:
Take 2's one of the biggest supporters of Switch this gen. Hard to imagine they wouldn't have tested feasiblity either as a cloud version, impossible port or simply future proofed it because they knew about the next console by then. We also have some industry journos reporting on it, like Totillo abov.

People twisting themselves into knots to refute it is just bizarre. This is the same publisher that gave Switch a 1 year console exclusivity on Civ 6 and for all intents and purposes it was the lead version for consoles.
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It’s not about twisting into a know to refute it. It’s just that that controller asset by itself, is not particularly compelling evidence.
 
Polygon said:
As I've said before I know someone who plays for the Scottish Cowboys and they recently told me "don't bother asking for it for Christmas" when wondering aloud if it will come this year but they could be winding me up lol. That's all I've gotten since last time. I don't want to push because like all developers they're under nda's.

I'd personally expect it March'23 for BotW 2 at the earliest and I'm betting it will be called "Switch 2" since it will be six years after the original and be made clear it's backwards compatible with a year of cross gen games so as not to upset Switch owners who don't want to upgrade just yet.
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Without any further context it could also be the same as saying don’t ask for a PS5 in 2020 - most didn’t get one due to supply. :-] but you’re probably right
 
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ShadowFox08 said:
Oh come on. Everyone here craves the Drake. Nothing to be ashamed of. Let's hope we get it sooner than later (Spring 2023 at the latest).
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Idk, he just announced to have plans to release another mid album. Doesn’t seem like everyone craves him🤭



I’ll end up hearing anyway for maybe one or two decently good songs, but it needed more time!
 
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Polygon said:
As I've said before I know someone who plays for the Scottish Cowboys and they recently told me "don't bother asking for it for Christmas" when wondering aloud if it will come this year but they could be winding me up lol. That's all I've gotten since last time. I don't want to push because like all developers they're under nda's.

I'd personally expect it March'23 for BotW 2 at the earliest and I'm betting it will be called "Switch 2" since it will be six years after the original and be made clear it's backwards compatible with a year of cross gen games so as not to upset Switch owners who don't want to upgrade just yet.
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I remember your previous “Scottish Cowboys” post, but I am too dense to tell if that post and the new one were made in jest. Care to clarify?
 
fwd-bwd said:
I remember your previous “Scottish Cowboys” post, but I am too dense to tell if that post and the new one were made in jest. Care to clarify?
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Dakhil said:
fuse.wikichip.org

A Look At Intel 4 Process Technology

A look at Intel's next-generation high-performance process technology, Intel 4.
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Hopefully, Intel can actually execute on Intel 4 (and Intel 3).
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Hmm, something on the last page that catches my eye: SRAM density converted to... Megabits/square millimeters?
And if TSMC's N5 has SRAM density of 31.8 Mib/mm^2, then the difference between, for example, 8 and 16 MB of cache would be, at peak density, be ~2 mm^2?

Referencing this, it seems that on the N7 family, for AMD's V-cache chips, the 64 MB v-cache die is 36 mm^2 while the 32 MB L3 on the CCD is ~27 mm^2, so ~9 more mm^2 for 32 more MB SRAM. Guess that's a passing sanity check for the above.
 
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What do you all think the first Drake exclusive game(s) will be from each developer/publisher? I could see Ubisoft bringing the latest AC and/or Far Cry. KT might have Wo Long (especially if they want to hit that 5 million goal). For Rockstar, we haven’t heard much about GTAV, so maybe RDR2 first? EA should (might) finally bring their other sports games. Capcom could have either SF6 or Exoprimal.

What does everyone else think?
 
mariodk18 said:
What do you all think the first Drake exclusive game(s) will be from each developer/publisher? I could see Ubisoft bringing the latest AC and/or Far Cry. KT might have Wo Long (especially if they want to hit that 5 million goal). For Rockstar, we haven’t heard much about GTAV, so maybe RDR2 first? EA should (might) finally bring their other sports games. Capcom could have either SF6 or Exoprimal.

What does everyone else think?
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RDR2 I'm hopeful based on previously discussed things, namely Polygon in here and Totilo. Ubisoft I also agree will probably bring Odyssey/Origins/Valhalla, but I really hope they eventually get around to Unity/Syndicate, too.

WB I'm not sure they'd care but I'd hope Batman, but that's already leaked and probably isn't Drake exclusive so...idk. Gotham Knights someday?

And for Capcom I wonder if they get RE 2/3/7 and/or 8 out sooner than later.
 
mariodk18 said:
What do you all think the first Drake exclusive game(s) will be from each developer/publisher? I could see Ubisoft bringing the latest AC and/or Far Cry. KT might have Wo Long (especially if they want to hit that 5 million goal). For Rockstar, we haven’t heard much about GTAV, so maybe RDR2 first? EA should (might) finally bring their other sports games. Capcom could have either SF6 or Exoprimal.

What does everyone else think?
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GTA V might not be so likely since if I’m not mistaken, Nate said it was being considered for base Switch but dropped because of cost and Nintendo’s poor online infrastructure. I don’t understand why since I assume anything online would go through Rockstar’s servers but anyhow.
 
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RDR2 feels like the obvious choice to me. But then again…

Multiverse said:
I doubt that’s the reason. Switch has a ton of online games (Fortnite, Apex, Overwatch).

I think storage (cart size/price) is a bigger factor honestly.
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…wouldn’t RDR2 probably have the same storage issues ?
 
karmitt said:
RDR2 feels like the obvious choice to me. But then again…


…wouldn’t RDR2 probably have the same storage issues ?
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Drake should be able to run big games so I doubt this will be an issue.
For example, the gamecard of the GTA trilogy does not have the necessary space for the full game, so you need to download everything that won't fit from the eShop.

SpaceGodzilla said:
ok, so is the drake going to be a console revision or a switch 2
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no one can tell for sure, a lot of debate happened around this question but no definitive answer.
 
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in a real world where multiple complex systems of production, energy, logistics and ressource managment intersect and infleunce each other on a global level a truckers´ strike for a minimum pay can be that initial flapping of a butterfly´s wings that can cause a tornado that will gravely impact the global productions of the chips ....



We live in beautifully complex and sensible reality , nontheless we can definitely conclude if the next switch is "late" we can blame it on the president Biden 🤡

🤡🤡
 
Please let’s not have the revision vs successor talk again. Those last several pages and are never fruitful.

You were going to buy it anyway if you wanted better performance for switch games.

It serves the same purpose.
 
Polygon said:
Raccoon

All of these new exclusive Switch titles target 60fps -

Super Mario Odyssey.
Super Mario 3D World: Bowser's Fury (60fps when docked).
Super Smash Bros Ultimate.
Metroid Dread.
Super Mario Party.
Super Mario Party Superstars.
Mario Tennis.
Mario Golf.
Mario Strikers.
ARMS.
Hyrule Warriors.
The Legend of Zelda: Link's Awakening.
Fire Emblem Warriors.
Yoshi's Crafted World.

All of these "Deluxe" Wii U ports (which in most cases also increase resolution from 720p to 900p/1080p) are also 60fps on Switch -

Super Mario 3D World Deluxe.
Super Mario Bros U Deluxe.
Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze Deluxe.
Captain Toad Treasure Tracker Deluxe.
Mario Kart 8 Deluxe.
Bayonetta 1.
Bayonetta 2.
Pokken Tournament DX.

A ton of indy games and some ports also run at 60fps.

Breath of the Wild, Pokemon and Fire Emblem are the main big Switch exclusive titles that are 30fps. The first two for the open Worlds and the third for the amount of character models on screen at once.

Pikmin 3 is a disgustingly lazy port. There's no reason why the game doesn't run at least at 1080p/30fps (it's still 720p on Switch) but all those creatures on screen at once is the main reason it's 30fps whether it's CPU or GPU bound.

Compare those above games to the big name Sony and Xbox exclusives of the PS4/XBO generation. They almost always targeted 30fps until the Pro/X/PS5/XBSS/XBSX arrived which let them brute force 60fps. The games were still designed around 30fps.

The Switch games that target 30fps will easily be 60fps (some 120fps if they allow) with the new CPU compute budget boost developers are about to get with the new Switch model. I just pray Nintendo don't limit the games to the same framerate on both Switch chipsets for some sort of loyalty parity...

I also expect Metroid Prime 4 to also target 60fps on the base Switch at least when docked.

My main point was that 60fps is the standard on Switch for it's exclusive games. Sure you can name 30fps games but they're the exception not the rule. Long may it continue as targeting 60fps is one of the things I love most about Nintendo because it not only looks better than 30fps, 60fps games just play better due to the reduced controller input lag.
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I feel like you are missing some examples (Yoshi, Kirby, Animal Crossing...), but my main point:
i think Pikmin 4 has the same problem as some other ports: bandwidth.
I think the alpha effects ( i think it was those) are taxing in that reagard, which is also why bayonetta was not pumped up to 1080, and why zelda struggled in the beginning without more patches and optimization, if im not wrong.
 
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bloopland33 said:
RDR2 I'm hopeful based on previously discussed things, namely Polygon in here and Totilo. Ubisoft I also agree will probably bring Odyssey/Origins/Valhalla, but I really hope they eventually get around to Unity/Syndicate, too.

WB I'm not sure they'd care but I'd hope Batman, but that's already leaked and probably isn't Drake exclusive so...idk. Gotham Knights someday?

And for Capcom I wonder if they get RE 2/3/7 and/or 8 out sooner than later.
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I'm expecting RE2/3 to be sooner (to coincide with 4) and 7/8 to be later (to coincide with Apocalypse).
 
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A game that I think would come would be FFXV, SE seemingly wanted that on everything.

And it has DLSS (the old one though)
 
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Gianko said:
I’m sorry to break your dream but no new hardware will be released this year and the next one. Probably you live in the US but Europe this year will be in a real and deep economical crisis. No way!
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Nintendo released both the 3DS and WiiU during one of the worst crisis in modern history, hardware will still come even if there is crisis
 
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Gianko said:
I’m sorry to break your dream but no new hardware will be released this year and the next one. Probably you live in the US but Europe this year will be in a real and deep economical crisis. No way!
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Multiple people here have explained that a company can't just delay hardware, that they have planned for years in advance, because of chip shortages or economical difficulties. If Nintendo planned to have new hardware in the 22-23 timeframe, it will release then.
 
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