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I don't need to assume, those are the only teams I trust for it, MK8 blew heads when it was shown for the first time. I remember we all did back to the Wii U, did we lose the faith on the teams this much, lol?
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StarTopic Future Nintendo Hardware & Technology Speculation & Discussion |ST| (Read the staff posts before commenting!)
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Whenever they said that a new Switch was coming, they failed to predict. It would be funny if now that they've given up the new hardware actually exists.
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Where'd he say this?
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You're making out like there's one thing that all three of these sources are in agreement about. I would say not one of them is in any agreement, starting with the fact DF had one throwaway comment about past plans with no details, before going on to separately speculate about the possibility of hardware in 2023.
He didn't. Apparently a smiley face is "quite literally saying those reports are obsolete."
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If this is about Mochizuki, he did not. The smiley face is at best an ambiguous victory dance due to a footnote about how the 4K device may never release in one of his articles. I can’t see it as being anything other than that for now.
If this is about Nate (unlikely as he didn’t write any ‘articles’), that’s yet to be determined.
Edit: Between the “2 early” and “
” one could just as easily say it’s Mochizuki saying “It’s a successor (2), no longer a ‘Switch that plays games in 4K.’” Look at me jumping to conclusions
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I would still just like a simple answer on the timing of cancellation. Just a simple we have been told it was cancelled XYZ. We were told a Mid Gen refresh was cancelled. We have cancellation ranges from 2020-2022. Nate says the cancelled product is indeed Drake but everything we know about Drake does not come even close to indicating a mid gen refresh. A Hypothetical die shrink of drake doesn't make sense for suddenly setting Nintendo back years either. The shrink would simply allow a change in clocks on the exact same hardware. So developers being told we are throwing out the system thanks for wasting your time doesn't make sense.
Nintendo cancelling hardware is not new. They don't go to development with 3rd parties and midway through cancel hardware though. Nintendo kills stuff before it leaves Nintendo
Nintendo cancelling hardware is not new. They don't go to development with 3rd parties and midway through cancel hardware though. Nintendo kills stuff before it leaves Nintendo
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That's all I could remember. I also thought the smiley face was odd, as I don't think the 4K device he was talking about and the shelved revision spoken of by John were the same thing. I've always assumed 4K devkits = Drake. I forgot about the footnote, though. Rereading it, he'd certainly be right about the considerable burden on devs if Switch 4K / T239 is cancelled - which is why I think if there were such a cancellation, there'd be some noise.
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Nate did not say this. He said Drake shares some features of the product he had been talking about (DLSS, 4K), but he did not say the cancelled product was Drake itself.
Unless I missed a post somewhere in which case I'll stand corrected.
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And just to help the audience, is this not specifically why the thread is in a tizzy about the rumor? ie. It seems improbable for two devices / a separate chip with these features to exist
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The worst part about the smiley face is that after the first one, he posted a second one in reply to a "wow this totally vindicates you" simp tweet, even though he never once said anything had been cancelled (mid-gen, 4K, whatever). His most recent report on the 4K Switch doubled down on its existence and even gave a new release window, while merely mentioning that Nintendo has cancelled things in the past (with the hilarious example of "QoL" being given).
So, whatever he's trying to say, it's not coherent. If he's agreeing with the
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I mean yeah, it seemed to me like the question of "is the cancelled thing actually Drake" was a part of the big swirl. But nobody sharing the cancellation story, not Nate, not DF, have said that Drake (which the info in this thread seems to show is full steam ahead) was the "shelved" product. They just said a mid-gen refresh was shelved.
Call me crazy but I really feel like this past week was a Yoda moment and that there is another Skywalker.
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Yeah Mochizuki's response didn't help with the confusion over whether or not a "4K Switch" had been cancelled, along with the way the podcast had been paraded around as "DF confirms Switch Pro canned". Even though in that same episode (and one from 3 months ago) they discuss T239 as a possibility for the next Switch. And honestly, all I care about is T239.
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Nate even said in a podcast months ago that he was no longer confident in calling what was coming a "Switch Pro," based on how the project seemed to be developing. I wouldn't be surprised if (and I know this has been pitched a bunch lately, not tryina beat a dead horse) there was a Pro, that was what Nate heard about, was what Mochi reported on, but the whole path has evolved and that "Pro" has been shelved in favor of T239.
The only thing I don't get is why it wouldn't show up in any datamines.
Actually, not trying to stir the wrong pot but: could someone help me out with what T236 is about? As far as I've gleaned it's also attached to NVN2 in the big leak (as was some form of the "Dane" name we initially were told about iirc) but I'm not quite understanding what it was or wasn't. Is there a possibility it was a very early "Pro" that got scrapped?
Edit: sorry @Serif, that started as me kinda "yes and"ing you and it sorta got away from what you were talking about.
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Np, I love improv.Actually, not trying to stir the wrong pot but: could someone help me out with what T236 is about? As far as I've gleaned it's also attached to NVN2 in the big leak (as was some form of the "Dane" name we initially were told about iirc) but I'm not quite understanding what it was or wasn't. Is there a possibility it was a very early "Pro" that got scrapped?
Edit: sorry @Serif, that started as me kinda "yes and"ing you and it sorta got away from what you were talking about.
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There's nothing tying Dane to T236 and nothing tying either of them to NVN. It follows the naming convention of Ampere T23X and might have existed at some point, but no hard evidence that it was related to any chip in development.
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Gotchagotcha, glad I asked, thanks. Sometimes this thread moves so fast that I only catch flashes and keywords
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I discussed this before, but MZ's "" comment was timestamped specifically at the part where John says that there was a mid-gen refresh planned and canceled early. In the 11 devs article, he stated:
" comment was timestamped specifically at the part where John says that there was a mid-gen refresh planned and canceled early. In the 11 devs article, he stated:Not about the part that Drake was delayed. His last comment at the end of the article was:
So he only ever said "2022 at the earliest" really or "that it would be canceled". If 2023 was entirely off, I'm sure we would've heard that from MZ or someone else first.
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It's not even midway if you believe Nate, it's last minute.
Had to be though, by extension.
If there was a second 4K dlss chip in existence, slated for 2023 there would most likely had been evidence of it in the Nvidia leaks.
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Don't mind me, a bit behind on the thread.
However, there’s a few key things to note:
First, it’s not an either/or situation by necessity as it has been framed. One can want some new paradigm of gaming that does not sacrifice more performant hardware. It’s not terribly relevant to this discussion, but it’s still important to keep in mind overall.
Second, one must note that there is a difference between this "differentiation". Wii, DS and Wii U relied on input and display variation (2 screens, touch screen, wildly altered input methods) typically at the expense of an out-of-box standard one-screen and controller experience, whereas Switch relies almost entirely on use case differentiation (a device that allows multiple gaming use cases rather than locking the experience to one) while leaving standard input and and presentation methods alone, with any additional differentiation not compromising that primary experience. That’s why Ring Fit and Switch Sports can exist alongside very standardized console gaming experiences, because the hardware differentiates without replacing or superseding a standard gaming experience, while offering a device that conforms to the user’s lifestyle rather than their lifestyle conforming to the device’s singular use case. I think it’s absolutely fair to say that many people are OK with more differentiation, so long as it does not impose itself on a standard core gaming experience and is instead additive to it; part of Switch’s appeal is how it can walk that line of offering both of those things without one compromising the other. It's also fair to say that people may prefer use case differentiation to those that rely on wildly new input methods, for example.
And lastly, I think it is absolutely fair for some people to reject the notion that substantive differentiation MUST occur in each hardware cycle when no one (or no one worth talking about yeah, Steam Deck and Ayaneo aren't even in the same ballpark) has followed Nintendo's lead and is thus still differentiated as is and, based on current Switch sales, consumers aren’t tired of that differentiation that Nintendo has already offered. It seems entirely reasonable to suggest that the hybrid design of Switch still has a lot more juice to be squeezed out of it and there is no rush to make any sort of wild design changes. Nor is it unreasonable to suggest Nintendo won’t want to be in a rush to do so, as this hardware cycle is Nintendo’s most profitable years in their entire history (even outdoing the Wii and DS years by a fair amount).
So all of that said, "more of the same" for consumers who clearly haven't had enough, but with more performant internal hardware to meet the ambitions of more developers and maybe some new ideas at the margins that do not interrupt or impose on the core of what has made Switch a success being boiled down to "OMG, people want Nintendo to make hardware like Sony does" can end now. Nintendo is allowed to change its mind about what its priorities are, more performant hardware is not some betrayal of vision, anything one might read into having stronger hardware for this go-round serves nothing except a certain kind of Nintendo fan dogmatism.
This myth-making that Nintendo spurns or de-prioritizes tech advancement without it serving some bold new direction as a means of necessary differentiation from Sony and MS is frankly a coping mechanism from the Wii years (when it was lambasted for its less-performant CPU/GPU and Nintendo fans collectively chanted that performant innards were entirely unimportant when compared against novelty), which has evolved to a point where some Nintendo fans have turned it into an outright dogmatism, where any tech advancement that's not also tied to some bold new vision for a new paradigm of gaming every hardware cycle is a betrayal of the Iwata mission statement and any proponents of more performant hardware in the seeming absence of said new paradigm must be shamed for allegedly wanting Nintendo to be a facsimile of Sony.
However, there’s a few key things to note:
First, it’s not an either/or situation by necessity as it has been framed. One can want some new paradigm of gaming that does not sacrifice more performant hardware. It’s not terribly relevant to this discussion, but it’s still important to keep in mind overall.
Second, one must note that there is a difference between this "differentiation". Wii, DS and Wii U relied on input and display variation (2 screens, touch screen, wildly altered input methods) typically at the expense of an out-of-box standard one-screen and controller experience, whereas Switch relies almost entirely on use case differentiation (a device that allows multiple gaming use cases rather than locking the experience to one) while leaving standard input and and presentation methods alone, with any additional differentiation not compromising that primary experience. That’s why Ring Fit and Switch Sports can exist alongside very standardized console gaming experiences, because the hardware differentiates without replacing or superseding a standard gaming experience, while offering a device that conforms to the user’s lifestyle rather than their lifestyle conforming to the device’s singular use case. I think it’s absolutely fair to say that many people are OK with more differentiation, so long as it does not impose itself on a standard core gaming experience and is instead additive to it; part of Switch’s appeal is how it can walk that line of offering both of those things without one compromising the other. It's also fair to say that people may prefer use case differentiation to those that rely on wildly new input methods, for example.
And lastly, I think it is absolutely fair for some people to reject the notion that substantive differentiation MUST occur in each hardware cycle when no one (or no one worth talking about yeah, Steam Deck and Ayaneo aren't even in the same ballpark) has followed Nintendo's lead and is thus still differentiated as is and, based on current Switch sales, consumers aren’t tired of that differentiation that Nintendo has already offered. It seems entirely reasonable to suggest that the hybrid design of Switch still has a lot more juice to be squeezed out of it and there is no rush to make any sort of wild design changes. Nor is it unreasonable to suggest Nintendo won’t want to be in a rush to do so, as this hardware cycle is Nintendo’s most profitable years in their entire history (even outdoing the Wii and DS years by a fair amount).
So all of that said, "more of the same" for consumers who clearly haven't had enough, but with more performant internal hardware to meet the ambitions of more developers and maybe some new ideas at the margins that do not interrupt or impose on the core of what has made Switch a success being boiled down to "OMG, people want Nintendo to make hardware like Sony does" can end now. Nintendo is allowed to change its mind about what its priorities are, more performant hardware is not some betrayal of vision, anything one might read into having stronger hardware for this go-round serves nothing except a certain kind of Nintendo fan dogmatism.
I think, as I mentioned before, "lateral thinking with withered technology" can absolutely be applied to Drake, when we consider what that phrase is actually supposed to mean and what we consider "technology". If Nvidia is designing SoCs coincidentally using Yokoi's famous design principle (as I have previously proposed), then it means Nintendo doesn't have to do the heavy lifting all by itself to do so.
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I realize this is a lot to ask, but since it's the main source for arguments and speculations I think it's important: would it be possible for someone who has access to the nvidia leak itself to make a detailed index of its content? Something like the folder structure of the relevant part and what is where. The op has a lot of stuff, but in the end we all keep coming back to this
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著名テクニカルジャーナリスト「2023年、任天堂は新型ゲーム機に関して何らかの動きを見せるのではないか。根拠は偶然キャッチしてしまった人間の動き」 | ゲームよりどりサブカルみどりパーク
ファミ通最新号より テクニカルジャーナリスト西川善司さん 『どうなる2023年。今年一年を無責任に予測する企画です』 「個人的見解だが任天堂は新型ハードに関して何らかの動きを見せるのではないかと思っている。発売はなくても発表や予告は」 「その根拠は"人間の動き"とだけ言っておこう」 「実はめったなことでは来日しないアメリカの世界的半導体メーカーの超VIPがお忍びで日本に滞在しているという情報を偶然キャッチしてしまった」 「過去にも任天堂ゲーム機に採用歴のあるメーカー」 「しかも行先の方角が・・・」...
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Just to add a bit of context to the website/source being cited: Ryokutya mostly posts early scoops of upcoming Famitsu issues on their website, and it's pretty much always accurate. In the past, they've tended to "leak" imminent Japanese Switch ports through these Famitsu articles, so I'm betting on this being an actual article that exists. This also means that the quoted Famitsu article should be released to the public, like, really soon.著名テクニカルジャーナリスト「2023年、任天堂は新型ゲーム機に関して何らかの動きを見せるのではないか。根拠は偶然キャッチしてしまった人間の動き」 | ゲームよりどりサブカルみどりパーク
ファミ通最新号より テクニカルジャーナリスト西川善司さん 『どうなる2023年。今年一年を無責任に予測する企画です』 「個人的見解だが任天堂は新型ハードに関して何らかの動きを見せるのではないかと思っている。発売はなくても発表や予告は」 「その根拠は"人間の動き"とだけ言っておこう」 「実はめったなことでは来日しないアメリカの世界的半導体メーカーの超VIPがお忍びで日本に滞在しているという情報を偶然キャッチしてしまった」 「過去にも任天堂ゲーム機に採用歴のあるメーカー」 「しかも行先の方角が・・・」...ryokutya2089.com
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ファミ通最新号より テクニカルジャーナリスト西川善司さん 『どうなる2023年。今年一年を無責任に予測する企画です』 「個人的見解だが任天堂は新型ハードに関して何らかの動きを見せるのではないかと思っている。発売はなくても発表や予告は」 「その根拠は"人間の動き"とだけ言っておこう」 「実はめったなことでは来日しないアメリカの世界的半導体メーカーの超VIPがお忍びで日本に滞在しているという情報を偶然キャッチしてしまった」 「過去にも任天堂ゲーム機に採用歴のあるメーカー」 「しかも行先の方角が・・・」...ryokutya2089.com
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I'll never forget this thread, for the better or worse lol
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Paging @Skittzo
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It's. About. Damn. Time.
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Inb4 switch lite oled out of nowhere著名テクニカルジャーナリスト「2023年、任天堂は新型ゲーム機に関して何らかの動きを見せるのではないか。根拠は偶然キャッチしてしまった人間の動き」 | ゲームよりどりサブカルみどりパーク
ファミ通最新号より テクニカルジャーナリスト西川善司さん 『どうなる2023年。今年一年を無責任に予測する企画です』 「個人的見解だが任天堂は新型ハードに関して何らかの動きを見せるのではないかと思っている。発売はなくても発表や予告は」 「その根拠は"人間の動き"とだけ言っておこう」 「実はめったなことでは来日しないアメリカの世界的半導体メーカーの超VIPがお忍びで日本に滞在しているという情報を偶然キャッチしてしまった」 「過去にも任天堂ゲーム機に採用歴のあるメーカー」 「しかも行先の方角が・・・」...ryokutya2089.com
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Analyst doesn’t expect next-gen Nintendo console in 2023 | VGC
An analyst has forecasted that there won’t be a “next-gen Nintendo console,” next year, instead suggesting it will arrive in 2024.
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“I’m not expecting” = speculations.Analyst doesn’t expect next-gen Nintendo console in 2023 | VGC
An analyst has forecasted that there won’t be a “next-gen Nintendo console,” next year, instead suggesting it will arrive in 2024.
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My guy, 2023 is an entire year, and it just started, how are you writing off a whole year that when we are only on day 4.
Were you expecting to see things as soon as Day 1 (a Sunday), and because it didn’t happen, decided throw off the entirety of the year 2023?
Yes, that they’ll only sell the Lite, which is the lowest priced, worse selling, non-hybrid model.
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telephone game = mess. thats all
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And he'd be wrong!Analyst doesn’t expect next-gen Nintendo console in 2023 | VGC
An analyst has forecasted that there won’t be a “next-gen Nintendo console,” next year, instead suggesting it will arrive in 2024.
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Are the commenters of this Weibo website japanese because my PC automatically google translate and it would be funny if the Japanese audience thinks the same way we do about waiting forever for a new Switch and getting trolled by Switch Lite OLED lol
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Tell me it's happening without saying it's happening
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I'm completely writing off H1, and I doubt Nintendo has any intention of hurting Switch's holiday sales. As of now, I'm expecting 2024
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Nintendo would never announce a new system then if we are worrying about holiday sales now, in day 4 of 2023.
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著名テクニカルジャーナリスト「2023年、任天堂は新型ゲーム機に関して何らかの動きを見せるのではないか。根拠は偶然キャッチしてしまった人間の動き」 | ゲームよりどりサブカルみどりパーク
ファミ通最新号より テクニカルジャーナリスト西川善司さん 『どうなる2023年。今年一年を無責任に予測する企画です』 「個人的見解だが任天堂は新型ハードに関して何らかの動きを見せるのではないかと思っている。発売はなくても発表や予告は」 「その根拠は"人間の動き"とだけ言っておこう」 「実はめったなことでは来日しないアメリカの世界的半導体メーカーの超VIPがお忍びで日本に滞在しているという情報を偶然キャッチしてしまった」 「過去にも任天堂ゲーム機に採用歴のあるメーカー」 「しかも行先の方角が・・・」...ryokutya2089.com
As a website holder, Ryokutya2089 is 110% reliable when reporting anything as early scoop from next Famitsu issues
You can securely enter in the "happening" feeling
Regarding Nishikawa, he's a very respected tech journalist in Japan, with big scoops and sources from the industry (the first one to report the SEGA cloud program for Arcades in the country last year)
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Mmm I’ll hold judgement until something drops….
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Lol imagine if we are truly getting a new HW in may but instead of being market “Switch Pro” its a “Switch 2” but its design, specs and everything is the same.
I don't get it...
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That is what everyone here has been expecting for several days! I'm excited, personally.
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