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karmitt said:
How do launch efforts for new consoles ever work then? I assume engagements start earlier than development kits exist for those partners, and they work off of an approximation. Once physical hardware is available they probably begin migrating the work over.

Somebody in here can correct me if that’s off, but I recall it being said that two years out from release is actually pretty far out for new hardware development kits.
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To be fair, you can't develop software for a system that you don't even know the specs of. Nintendo makes highly customized, tightly focused consoles that need exact final specs to be given in order to make this software, without last-minute changes involved. Not saying the NVN2 leaks are everything, but that's a good indication that the earliest dev tools have only been available since the beginning of 2019 at best. Make some math for it, and you indeed have 3 years at best for next gen software for 2022 as the baseline (no longer 2022, as they always targetted this year).
 
Lancelot said:
To be fair, you can't develop software for a system that you don't even know the specs of. Nintendo makes highly customized, tightly focused consoles that need exact final specs to be given in order to make this software, without last-minute changes involved. Not saying the NVN2 leaks are everything, but that's a good indication that the earliest dev tools have only been available since the beginning of 2019 at best. Make some math for it, and you indeed have 3 years at best for next gen software for 2022 as the baseline (no longer 2022, as they always targetted this year).
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The point I'm making is I'd assume Nintendo has a ballpark for what they expect the system to be like at the end of the line, and if they deliberately undershoot the estimate, developers can start to work on a product for it without having the real thing. Hypothetically, they could begin development on an overclocked Mariko if that's the guidance, no? The game obviously won't take full advantage of the new hardware in the same way that a game developed end-to-end would, but the idea that they can't even start without a kit seems ridiculous.

I'm not speaking from experience here, but I don't see why the above wouldn't be standard practice for new generations. Developers are able to port between platforms all the time, and worse case scenario they'd spend time 'porting' once the kits were shipped.
 
Kazuyamishima said:
Sure it ran better but it still didn't perform great.
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Blame that on Fromsoft’s engine which is notorious for frame pacing issues.

And I also disagree that it didn’t run great. It’s a locked 30 fps nearly all the time, even in the most troubling areas. Really only dips during a lot of heavy action scenes with particle effects. And even then it doesn’t dip as hard as it did on 360/PS3. Not to mention the game itself is rendered at higher resolution than its original releases.

 
NintenDuvo said:
Would you guys love it or hate it if Nintendo was to simply call it Nintendo Switch 2nd generation model?
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I feel like most people really just want a "Nintendo Switch 2". No weird naming, no new weird gimmicks or hooks. Just a better Switch, better graphics and hardware, maybe improved HD Rumble controls, etc. You can add features to the system without having to give it some weird naming scheme. If anything hasn't been more clear from Nintendo fans it's that they don't want the gimmicks and weird names. We all just want a Switch console with better internals and I'm hoping Nintendo finally understands this after all these years lol.
 
Kevin said:
I feel like most people really just want a "Nintendo Switch 2". No weird naming, no new weird gimmicks or hooks. Just a better Switch, better graphics and hardware, maybe improved HD Rumble controls, etc. You can add features to the system without having to give it some weird naming scheme. If anything hasn't been more clear from Nintendo fans it's that they don't want the gimmicks and weird names. We all just want a Switch console with better internals and I'm hoping Nintendo finally understands this after all these years lol.
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Like I said, they want Nintendo to go the way of Sony.
 
SiG said:
Like I said, they want Nintendo to go the way of Sony.
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I think Nintendo has a really good thing going with the Switch as a platform. Unless they are able to come up with an idea that is BETTER then the Switch platform, I'm in no hurry to move onto an entirely new concept video game console. I never liked the Wii or Wii U personally. I only ever beat one game on Wii and nothing on Wii U. The games were great but those systems were just something I couldn't get into personally. I'm a little skeptical when it comes to Nintendo and innovation because it doesn't always work out well for them and for us fans and because of this, I personally would either rather see them continue with the Switch concept or go back to making a regular game console (I only ever play on tv anyways) but this is just going to be about ME since it's my opinion lol.
 
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Kazuyamishima said:
Switch had trouble running dark souls 1 which is also a PS3 game
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Er? Did we play the same game? Cause no it didn’t; relative to the PS3 it played it great.

PS3 and 360 can barely play this. Likewise Skyrim.

Any stuttering people saw wasn’t even the game dropping frames on switch, it’s FromSoft’s horrendous engine that has the animation skip a few frames. And it’s so jarring.
SiG said:
Like I said, they want Nintendo to go the way of Sony.
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Dude, you keep repeating this idea of going in the way of Sony, but is there really nothing harmful about just calling it the number 2. Stop latching onto the console ware centric idea about the Sony bogeyman. It’s looking for something that isn’t there or making something that shouldn’t even exist in the first place.
 
karmitt said:
The point I'm making is I'd assume Nintendo has a ballpark for what they expect the system to be like at the end of the line, and if they deliberately undershoot the estimate, developers can start to work on a product for it without having the real thing. Hypothetically, they could begin development on an overclocked Mariko if that's the guidance, no? The game obviously won't take full advantage of the new hardware in the same way that a game developed end-to-end would, but the idea that they can't even start without a kit seems ridiculous.

I'm not speaking from experience here, but I don't see why the above wouldn't be standard practice for new generations. Developers are able to port between platforms all the time, and worse case scenario they'd spend time 'porting' once the kits were shipped.
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Not even an overclocked Mariko is remotely comparable to this console in terms of what you can do with it, I think it's fair for Nintendo to wait until Drake's specs were taped out in order to tell people to develop for this. NVN2 API is also heavily focused on the specs of this SoC, it was certainly designed to squeeze the RT and Tensor cores only Drake has. Hence, 2019 being the official start to develop next gen games.
 
SiG said:
Like I said, they want Nintendo to go the way of Sony.
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You’ve said this in response to me before, and once again it’s an oversimplification of things, or it’s giving Sony too much credit.

I really don’t see what point you’re trying to make.

Lancelot said:
Not even an overclocked Mariko is remotely comparable to this console, I think it's fair for Nintendo to wait until Drake's specs were taped out in order to tell people to develop for this. NVN2 API is also heavily focused on the specs of this SoC, it was certainly designed to squeeze the RT and Tensor cores only Drake has. Hence, 2019 being the official start to develop next gen games.
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Ok. I’m not in a position to argue further on this one.
 
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karmitt said:
You’ve said this in response to me before, and once again it’s an oversimplification of things, or it’s giving Sony too much credit.

I really don’t see what point you’re trying to make.
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I believe SiG is trying to say that Nintendo releasing a simple "2" console that doesn't change anything really besides the processing power would make them more like Sony, since that's what they do.

Not that I agree mind you.
 
SiG said:
Like I said, they want Nintendo to go the way of Sony.
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They were already going that way the moment Furukawa stated he wanted cutting edge hardware for the next time, anyways. People aren't assuming anything that he didn't already imply, especially now that Steam Deck kind of gave us them a standard to follow in power.
 
SiG said:
Like I said, they want Nintendo to go the way of Sony.
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They were already going that way the moment Furukawa stated he wanted cutting edge hardware for the next time, anyways. People aren't assuming anything that he didn't already imply, especially now that Steam Deck kind of gave us them a ceiling to reach in power. If they wanted to greenlight such a powerful SoC, it's because they intend to use it, as simple as that.
 
4K, DLSS and RT could be the "gimmicks" that Nintendo goes with for a successor.

For example, with 4K you can divide the screen into nine 1280*720 segments and use this to support eight player Mario Kart on one 4K screen with one console. And you can have a Super Mario Kart style retro map in the middle of the screen too with the unused segment.

I can also see RT being used for those mirror puzzles (Zelda) and in games like Luigi's Mansion and Bowser's Fury.
 
karmitt said:
You’ve said this in response to me before, and once again it’s an oversimplification of things, or it’s giving Sony too much credit.

I really don’t see what point you’re trying to make.
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People basically want to follow the itterative nature and structure that Sony typically releases every new generation, hyping graphics and visualfidelty, with very little disruption on current trends, unless that means including a new optical media player of some sort.

In other words, they want Nintendo to release something that could be considered "cutting edge" in this console war argument, with no disruptive innovations that could be labeled as "gimmicks".
ReddDreadtheLead said:
Dude, you keep repeating this idea of going in the way of Sony, but is there really nothing harmful about just calling it the number 2. Stop latching onto the console ware centric idea about the Sony bogeyman. It’s looking for something that isn’t there or making something that shouldn’t even exist in the first place.
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But it always has been a console war. Pretty much Nintendo competes with everyone in the entertainment space, so simply following the same formula as Sony's will not do.
Lancelot said:
They were already going that way the moment Furukawa stated he wanted cutting edge hardware for the next time, anyways. People aren't assuming anything that he didn't already imply, especially now that Steam Deck kind of gave us them a ceiling to reach in power. If they wanted to greenlight such a powerful SoC, it's because they intend to use it, as simple as that.
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I'm not saying Nintendo shoouldn't pursue a powerful console, but rather they need to make enough differenciation between playing on the successor versus playing on the base (OLED) Switch, that people would be incetivised to upgrade, and not just because of some intenral tech spec upgrade.
 
SiG said:
Like I said, they want Nintendo to go the way of Sony.
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Sony’s track record for console sales has been far more consistent than Nintendo’s, so maybe there’s something to be said about not completely resetting your console brand every six years and potentially confusing or alienating the market.

Just calling the system “Nintendo Switch 2” or “Nintendo Switch Series 2” doesn’t mean that it won’t be innovative or have new features. Apple has used numbers in many of their product names while still adding innovative features. The iPhone 4 wasn’t just the original iPhone, but faster. By that point they had added tons of features the original iPhone lacked, like GPS, video recording, and – with the iPhone 4 – a front-facing camera and video calling and a 4x resolution “retina” display.

If you’re trying to communicate “this is the next generation of Nintendo Switch,” “Nintendo Switch 2” works. It’s really not any different from Nintendo Switch Ultra or Nintendo Switch Max or anything like that other than being more clear. The idea that having a simple, clear name for their next hardware means Nintendo is aping Sony or turning into Sony or whatever is just bizarre.
 
ReddDreadtheLead said:
That was a mistranslation or misunderstanding
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It's not, he wanted to experiment with cutting edge systems... He succeeded, and even asked for a specialized chip that is almost certainly designed to carry us for the entirety of Gen 9. Exclusives alone are seeing such a massive increase in graphics and complexity that I can't imagine anyone carrying the "Nintendo is for fun only!" narrative anymore.
 
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Lancelot said:
They were already going that way the moment Furukawa stated he wanted cutting edge hardware for the next time, anyways. People aren't assuming anything that he didn't already imply, especially now that Steam Deck kind of gave us them a ceiling to reach in power. If they wanted to greenlight such a powerful SoC, it's because they intend to use it, as simple as that.
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I never seen that comment before, can you provide a full quote and source for that?
 
Kevin said:
I never seen that comment before, can you provide a full quote and source for that?
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Long time ago.

nintendoeverything.com

Nintendo says it wants to extend Switch's life-cycle, exploring cutting-edge tech

During today’s Nintendo Management Briefing Session, president Shuntaro Furukawa reiterated that Switch is currently in the middle of its life-cycle. Extending that life-cycle is an important goal for the company, which may now be possible thanks to focusing on a single hardware platform. Aside...
nintendoeverything.com nintendoeverything.com

"Furukawa also commented on R&D investment. In the past, Nintendo used to look at conventional technology that enabled a lower price and appeal to users. However, it is now exploring cutting-edge technology. Nintendo needs to balance factors such as how intuitive it is for users, battery life, and what is the most comfortable for users." He wants to make the most powerful, intuitive system that the battery life will allow. So far, that was a big enough concern for them to wait for possibly 5 nm.
 
Lancelot said:
Long time ago.

nintendoeverything.com

Nintendo says it wants to extend Switch's life-cycle, exploring cutting-edge tech

During today’s Nintendo Management Briefing Session, president Shuntaro Furukawa reiterated that Switch is currently in the middle of its life-cycle. Extending that life-cycle is an important goal for the company, which may now be possible thanks to focusing on a single hardware platform. Aside...
nintendoeverything.com nintendoeverything.com

"Furukawa also commented on R&D investment. In the past, Nintendo used to look at conventional technology that enabled a lower price and appeal to users. However, it is now exploring cutting-edge technology. Nintendo needs to balance factors such as how intuitive it is for users, battery life, and what is the most comfortable for users." He wants to make the most powerful, intuitive system that the battery life will allow. So far, that was a big enough concern for them to wait for possibly 5 nm.
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No, this entire article and premise cited in many articles at the time was indeed based on a poor translation.

Furukawa said that they were exploring all types of technologies like they always do. Nothing about "this time we're going cutting edge." I'd find the source from the IR meeting but I'm currently sick in bed and simply don't feel like it.
 
SiG said:
People basically want to follow the itterative nature and structure that Sony typically releases every new generation, hyping graphics and visualfidelty, with very little disruption on current trends, unless that means including a new optical media player of some sort.

In other words, they want Nintendo to release something that could be considered "cutting edge" in this console war argument, with no disruptive innovations that could be labeled as "gimmicks".

But it always has been a console war. Pretty much Nintendo competes with everyone in the entertainment space, so simply following the same formula as Sony's will not do.

I'm not saying Nintendo shoouldn't pursue a powerful console, but rather they need to make enough differenciation between playing on the successor versus playing on the base (OLED) Switch, that people would be incetivised to upgrade, and not just because of some intenral tech spec upgrade.
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That's what i've been trying to say all this time. Their studios might not be ready for the scope that this console allows, and most of them are almost guaranteed to underutilize it to insane levels. Hence, the barrier to impress is a lot higher with the 1st party games than ever before, especially if the only gimmick is indeed computational power.
 
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Skittzo said:
No, this entire article and premise cited in many articles at the time was indeed based on a poor translation.

Furukawa said that they were exploring all types of technologies like they always do. Nothing about "this time we're going cutting edge." I'd find the source from the IR meeting but I'm currently sick in bed and simply don't feel like it.
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Except that's a old interview, and the thing we seem to be getting is indeed very powerful. Doubting Nintendo is indeed going cutting edge this time is honestly kind of silly, they're intending to carry you for the entirety of Gen 9 with Drake relevant, without the user potentially considering a PS5 or Series X to play those games. They want this console to be the place to play, unlike the complementary position Switch had in last gen.
 
oldpuck said:
"Mariko", "Erista", "Drake": SOC code names
"Odin", "Modin", "Vali", "Frig": Motherboard code names.
"Aula", "Hoag", "Icosa", "Iowa", "Calcio", "Copper": Console code names


We've talked about the Comic Book naming convention for SOCs.

The motherboard code names are obviously norse, but they also probably don't refer to shipping motherboards? These are test boards used by Nvidia during development, which Horizon needs to detect for things like RAM timings and other non-SOC hardware specific configuration data. "Loki" for example is the name of the motherboard in the Nvidia Shield Portable

The console code names are Nintendo-internal, and are interesting because they actually have meaning. Icosa and Iowa are both "integrated" machines, meaning they can Switch - they are the V1 and the V2 Switch respectively. "Copper" and "Calcio" are both "console" devices - these have support for being connected to an external monitor without the dock, but they are also digital only machines and are almost definitely machines sitting on developer's desks at NCL offices, doing dev work. "Hoag" is the Lite a "handheld" only console.

"Aula" is unusual in this regard as it implies a new form factor by the naming convention.

If there are future "leaks" with code names, it will be useful to use this information as a gut check on how accurate they are, and what they might imply about both the hardware and the leak's source. There are, in fact, a few words that if they popped up in a leak would get my immediate attention, but I have yet to see surface.
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Aula (OLED Model) is probably because it uses a new motherboard revision to allow for that formfactor. The A probably means Advanced? Honestly OLED Model has weird codenames, Aula, ADEV and HEG.

While we're here, unless you have a whole document of them, may I ask what those "few words" are, exactly? I'm curious.
 
Lancelot said:
That's what i've been trying to say all this time. Their studios might not be ready for the scope that this console allows, and most of them are almost guaranteed to underutilize it to insane levels. Hence, the barrier to impress is a lot higher with the 1st party games than ever before, especially if the only gimmick is indeed computational power.
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slsk said:
4K, DLSS and RT could be the "gimmicks" that Nintendo goes with for a successor.
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I don't think more computational horsepower/4K DLSS will be the only selling points of the successor though.

It's funny how "docked & handheld modes" were once seen as being nothing but gimmicks, but in the long run they proved to become the sole identity of the system that made it sell well. I'm thinking they might have something similarly disruptive for the successor (something current Switch models physically cannot do) that would make it even more appealing than the predecessor, and further distancing themselves from the likes of Steam Deck and other "imitators".
 
LiC said:
Rather than Aula/Hoag/etc. being console codenames, my understanding is that they're "platform configuration" codenames. In other words "Aula" references the configuration combination needed to support Mariko, an OLED screen, the new TV dock, the new speaker drivers (just making that last one up, but you get the point), etc. The actual codenames for the entire console are HAC, HDH, and HEG*. And of course the codename for the entirety of the Switch hardware/software platform is NX.

That said, the name Aula (and its associated devkit name, ADEV) is interesting since (as you pointed out) it doesn't follow the letter pattern that I/H/C do. If I had to guess what it stood for I would probably say "Advanced," which if you wanted to put on a tinfoil hat could be an indication of that platform configuration being planned for something more than a screen upgrade. I don't really believe that myself in terms of what was planned for 2021, but at the same time I wouldn't find it unbelievable that the platform config for the Drake Switch might be a different "A" name.

* Which probably represent (if not officially "standing for" as such) Handheld And Console, Handheld Dedicated Handheld, and... Handheld EL orGanic? "Organic EL" is what it's called in Japanese and I'm not sure what else G would mean.
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HAC - Handheld And Console
HDH - High Definition Handheld
HEG - Handheld EL Game (or Organic)

GameBoy was DMG - Dot Matrix Game

HEG could be "HD EL Game".


Those would be my best guesses.
 
Skittzo said:
No, this entire article and premise cited in many articles at the time was indeed based on a poor translation.

Furukawa said that they were exploring all types of technologies like they always do. Nothing about "this time we're going cutting edge." I'd find the source from the IR meeting but I'm currently sick in bed and simply don't feel like it.
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Hope you get well soon!
 
SiG said:
I don't think more computational horsepower/4K DLSS will be the only selling points of the successor though.

It's funny how "docked & handheld modes" were once seen as being nothing but gimmicks, but in the long run they proved to become the sole identity of the system that made it sell well. I'm thinking they might have something similarly disruptive for the successor (something current Switch models physically cannot do) that would make it even more appealing than the predecessor, and further distancing themselves from the likes of Steam Deck and other "imitators".
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The SoC with the specs given is probably already worth 400$+ to manufacture as it is... Not to deny any gimmicks, but it's extremely unlikely unless it was a dumb feature that they never bothered using like HD Rumble.
 
Lancelot said:
Except that's a old interview, and the thing we seem to be getting is indeed very powerful. Doubting Nintendo is indeed going cutting edge this time is honestly kind of silly, they're intending to carry you for the entirety of Gen 9 with Drake relevant, without the user potentially considering a PS5 or Series X to play those games. They want this console to be the place to play, unlike the complementary position Switch had in last gen.
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I'm in no way doubting what they're doing based on leaks. I'm trying to explain that there have been a whole bunch of wildly inaccurate clickbait reports over the last few years about what "the new president of Nintendo" is doing differently than Iwata, and literally none of that stuff is based on any factual, correctly translated statements. It's all people trying to manufacture a narrative that Nintendo is now different, based on what they themselves say.

It's important not to try and use fake clickbait to try and help support your point when the actual evidence does it already.
 
SiG said:
I don't think more computational horsepower/4K DLSS will be the only selling points of the successor though.

It's funny how "docked & handheld modes" were once seen as being nothing but gimmicks, but in the long run they proved to become the sole identity of the system that made it sell well. I'm thinking they might have something similarly disruptive for the successor (something current Switch models physically cannot do) that would make it even more appealing than the predecessor, and further distancing themselves from the likes of Steam Deck and other "imitators".
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I sincerely doubt it will.

A dedicated handheld that runs Elden Ring and Zelda in 4K is enough, gimmick wise. At the end of the day, it's games that sell consoles, gimmicks are second fiddle, and why fix what isn't broken with the incredible hybrid gimmick?
 
Skittzo said:
I believe SiG is trying to say that Nintendo releasing a simple "2" console that doesn't change anything really besides the processing power would make them more like Sony, since that's what they do.

Not that I agree mind you.
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Oh I understood that. What I don’t understand is why they repeat it like some kind of ‘gotcha’ moment, when there’s been many clear arguments made as to why calling it a ‘Sony strategy’ is, as I said, both oversimplification or giving Sony too much credit.

Switch is an amalgam of Nintendo’s history of devices - bits of Wii, Wii U along with a dose of new. The system is hardly tapped out on opportunities with the input tech and ‘console modes’ available, and I see there being room for at least one generation to be a simpler, power focused one. It does not mean however that they should stay that course or that any here are proponents of that. It also does not mean that some additive gimmicks wouldn’t be welcome, only that many feel they aren’t necessary right now, as Switch is still a very unique offering in the gaming space.

SiG said:
People basically want to follow the itterative nature and structure that Sony typically releases every new generation, hyping graphics and visualfidelty, with very little disruption on current trends, unless that means including a new optical media player of some sort.

In other words, they want Nintendo to release something that could be considered "cutting edge" in this console war argument, with no disruptive innovations that could be labeled as "gimmicks".
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See above.
 
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Skittzo said:
I'm in no way doubting what they're doing based on leaks. I'm trying to explain that there have been a whole bunch of wildly inaccurate clickbait reports over the last few years about what "the new president of Nintendo" is doing differently than Iwata, and literally none of that stuff is based on any factual, correctly translated statements. It's all people trying to manufacture a narrative that Nintendo is now different, based on what they themselves say.

It's important not to try and use fake clickbait to try and help support your point when the actual evidence does it already.
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Sure... But the Switch itself was literally Iwata's idea. It's completely fair to think that the new management does have new plans (not necessarily gimmicky) to execute for the future, now that they have ran out of notes that the old president intended to do. He has also mentioned beforehand that he wants to follow the spirit of the two previous presidents of the company... But the more time it passes, the more it seems like he's now following Yamauchi's more than anything else. The guy that indeed ran the company like Sony, just without the differentiating factor he needed.
 
Lancelot said:
Sure... But the Switch itself was literally Iwata's idea. It's completely fair to think that the new management does have new plans (not necessarily gimmicky) to execute for the future, now that they have ran out of notes that the old president intended to do. He has also mentioned beforehand that he wants to follow the spirit of the two previous presidents of the company... But the more time it passes, the more it seems like he's now following Yamauchi's more than anything else. The guy that indeed ran the company like Sony, just without the differentiating factor he needed.
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A need for what?

Being a handheld is a HUGE differentiating factor. Even if they launch a home console that runs their latest console's games better, as long as their exclusives are all available on their handheld, they have all the differentiation they need.

They have a monopoly. They just need to keep a hold of it.
 
Concernt said:
A need for what?

Being a handheld is a HUGE differentiating factor. Even if they launch a home console that runs their latest console's games better, as long as their exclusives are all available on their handheld, they have all the differentiation they need.

They have a monopoly. They just need to keep a hold of it.
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That's the point, he's already technically fulfilling the philosophies of the both presidents at once. Yamauchi had powerful systems and revolutionary software, but no differentiating factor. Iwata had low end systems, but revolutionary at the same time. Drake as it is, is indeed what they both intended for their respective generations, they got it this time.
 
At the risk of retreading old discussions, what kind of audio could Switch 2 potentially have? Specifically wireless Bluetooth codecs; I'm mildly curious if it's possible to expect hardware that could better enable lossless or even spatial audio options (or if it could be accomplished on existing Switch hardware but Nintendo doesn't want to pay for licensing beyond SBC 🙃)

NintenDuvo said:
Would you guys love it or hate it if Nintendo was to simply call it Nintendo Switch 2nd generation model?
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Truthfully I kinda love the idea. Switch 2 is limiting in itself, but having a family of second generation Switch devices does make it easier to differentiate what games will work on which consoles whether first or second generation (or third, or fourth, etc.)
 
Personally, and I know many will disagree with me, but just give me a more powerful Switch WITH a camera, and call it a day. The camera/AR can be the gimmick. Also, as a money maker, wouldn’t it be lucrative to have options like Pokémon GO on this new Switch? That requires a camera. play on your phone or Switch2, with built in data transfer with your account. 🤷‍♂️Yeah it might be a bit redundant, but I have a smart phone as well as an iPad, so why not?
EDIT ah that would require network compatibility. Never mind. Unless….. 5G Switch2 confirmed?
 
Cuzizkool said:
Personally, and I know many will disagree with me, but just give me a more powerful Switch WITH a camera, and call it a day. The camera/AR can be the gimmick. Also, as a money maker, wouldn’t it be lucrative to have options like Pokémon GO on this new Switch? That requires a camera. play on your phone or Switch2, with built in data transfer with your account. 🤷‍♂️Yeah it might be a bit redundant, but I have a smart phone as well as an iPad, so why not?
EDIT ah that would require network compatibility. Never mind. Unless….. 5G Switch2 confirmed?
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I can't agree with you more. I just really want a stronger system with no bs to sell it, maybe a camera and whatever but as long as the games are able to make the massive jump we're expecting them to make, there's nothing else a Switch successor needs other than groundbreaking titles. Besides, not like we didn't have cameras already for the DS family, they're cheap af.
 
Concernt said:
While we're here, unless you have a whole document of them, may I ask what those "few words" are, exactly? I'm curious.
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This is dumb, but I would prefer not to. We know hoaxers pull from this thread, if I say something and it shows up later in a leak, then we can't prove it didn't just get pulled from here to look credible.

If something does come through that matches the info I have, I will absolutely share.
 
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Brofield said:
At the risk of retreading old discussions, what kind of audio could Switch 2 potentially have? Specifically wireless Bluetooth codecs; I'm mildly curious if it's possible to expect hardware that could better enable lossless or even spatial audio options (or if it could be accomplished on existing Switch hardware but Nintendo doesn't want to pay for licensing beyond SBC 🙃)


Truthfully I kinda love the idea. Switch 2 is limiting in itself, but having a family of second generation Switch devices does make it easier to differentiate what games will work on which consoles whether first or second generation (or third, or fourth, etc.)
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I think the audio situation will be pretty uninteresting. PCM surround sound like the current one. Maybe AAC could work, it's broadly supported and of pretty good quality.

If it has a licence fee attached, however, Nintendo's probably not interested. This is the company that wouldn't let the DVD and Blu-Ray drives in the Wii and Wii U (respectively) play DVD or Blu-Ray movies. Or even CDs!

All that said, I find SBC absolutely... Fine. Not incredible, but fine. Switch doesn't do a great job with it. An improved SBC implementation would be just as appreciated as AAC. Both would be stellar.
 
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I think the audio situation will be pretty uninteresting. PCM surround sound like the current one. Maybe AAC could work, it's broadly supported and of pretty good quality.

If it has a licence fee attached, however, Nintendo's probably not interested. This is the company that wouldn't let the DVD and Blu-Ray drives in the Wii and Wii U (respectively) play DVD or Blu-Ray movies. Or even CDs!
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Always was righteously upset by that lack of licensing 🙃 Fuck, I would have paid $15 extra in the eShop to unlock DVD and Blu-ray playback on my Wii U right then and there. Man, Miiverse would have popped off if the option was there!

Unfortunately I think you may be right; for all the R&D spent on tech, heavenforbid they pay another company what they don't develop in-house themselves. Kinda wish I could have another device besides my Pixel 7 that takes advantage of this Bluetooth 5.0 audio fidelity tech with the wireless headphones I already have
 
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