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BRB, need to make a YouTube video "Renowned Nintendo insider confirms Next Gen Switch as capable as PS5 / Series X"
Just need to snap the perfect picture with my mouth wide open in shock for the thumbnail.
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Just need to snap the perfect picture with my mouth wide open in shock for the thumbnail.
The one aspect I am worried about is full-phat backwards compatibility.
At one point I was convinced it was a no-brainer for Nintendo to push for this.
Then, thanks to a few NateDrake podcasts coupled with some of MVG's "How such-n-such hardware was compromised" videos, one common vulnerability vector seems to be the backwards-compatibility allowances on some of those machines.
I feel confident some form of backwards-compatibility will be offered, specifically we can play enhanced versions of supported digital Switch titles. However, coupled with the engineering challenges of old games running on the new architecture, it has me currently doubting a cartridge slot compatible with my Switch physical library will be there.
I'm not sure how to feel about that, if the above comes to pass.
It will happen at a time and place fully under Nintendo's control, where they don't have to share the spotlight. Will most likely be in a dedicated trailer drop, with an outside chance of a Nintendo Direct.When do we expect the announcement Video? If the late 2024 is true i would think we see a Teaser maybe on The Game Awards but mor likely i would say Feb 24
I think you're overselling how advance Drake will be while underselling the TX1 inside the Switch. Neither A78 and 4nm are new technologies and TX1 while old is still one of the best chip at the time. There are other chips that claims better performance at the time but benchmark performance is very different from what is stable for games.
Steam Deck is definitely bulky but Nintendo have many advantages that Valve doesn't. Most importantly is ARM. It is much more energy efficient by design and impossible for Valve to use since PC games doesn't support ARM. Nintendo can also order custom chips while Valve will have to work with what is available. Nintendo will also probably use eUFS storage which is more energy efficient than NVME since they don't have to worry about being user replaceable. Finally economy of scale means they can get parts for cheaper.
Cartridge slot isn't really a vector for vulnerabilities. What would hurt cartridge BC is the ability to make an updated game card. I think they can definitely make one and still be compatible with Switch cards though
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This best not happen. Any channel that does so... I'll blast.
All hurdles can be solved for and addressed. As we said recently, BC needs to be there. They cannot afford not to have it. I do believe BC will be there. It's not a concern that weighs on my mind.
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Same. This is my #1 wish for Switch 2. I feel pretty confident, but you just never know.
I'm starting to think this is one of those "because Nintendo" instances without understanding the situation. I mean, the Switch was initially going to be much weaker (roughly half a Wii U) until Nvidia showed up on their doorstep with the TX1, so we ended up getting something much stronger in the process. Now we're getting something custom-designed specifically for Nintendo's needs. The comparisons made with the PC-based portables against Switch's 2 theoretical power really misses one of the more important aspects. The PC-based portables use architectures that have higher power consumption. ARM is quite a bit more power efficient over x86 (which has decades of holding onto legacy support), and Nvidia is known for being a bit more power efficient than AMD at the very least.
We had a very thorough look at possible clocks and reasonings for Switch 2 by Thraktor some time back. Perhaps these folks should take a look at it.
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Oldpuck's leaving #teamleapday? Guess I'll have to continue flying the flag solo. On the time of 18 to 24 months from sampling to release, I assume you're talking about the TX1 and the original Switch? If so, I don't think it's really comparable, as TX1 was already entering production...
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Also, Nvidia is more efficient than AMD. The difference is no longer massive like it was pre-RDNA 2, but is still there.
Edit: Here's a good article about it:
Graphics Card Power Consumption and Efficiency Tested
We tested over fifty graphics cards to see which give the best performance per watt.
Here, RDNA 2 vs Ampere seems to be very even, but Ampere is on Samsung 8nm while RDNA 2 is on TSMC 7nm, which very significant. If Switch 2 is in TSMC 4nm then the difference vs Steam Deck in performance/watt would be large.
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Giancarlo
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2/3 weeks right after the E3 season directWhen do we expect the announcement Video? If the late 2024 is true i would think we see a Teaser maybe on The Game Awards but mor likely i would say Feb 24
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until Nintendo anounce it next hardware and we all see some games for the console, it will be hard to measure how powerful/weak the game cant be, if the next 3D Mario look like the Super Mario Bros movie art style, this will give us a idea of the console graphical/techinal perfomance
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Have we any indications yet of a S2 prototype or final configuration SDK to be shown privately later this week, or if it may have already happened today? I was hoping this forum would have an insider attending in-person!
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Because Steam Deck is 1.6 and Steam Deck so Big. And because we talked about how much pushing it 1TFLOP would be for so long in the 8nm days.
For the record, I don't think 1.5 TFLOP is where we'll land. @Thraktor is right that 1.5 TFLOP is maximum efficiency, but max efficiency isn't max battery life. And 3 TFLOPS seems like the docked max before the GPU starts to get bottlenecked across the board. So I wouldn't be surprised to find something a little shy of that in both modes.
The difference between 400MHz GPU and 500MHz GPU is yawn. It's not that it doesn't matter - it's a 25% increase in perf - but it's not fundamental. Especially with so many other aspects of the system seemingly in place.
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Nintendo might show the finalized devkit of Switch sucessor at Gamescom/Tokyo Game Show
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WOW this is worse then Nintendo in Gamescom 2019, why Nintendo go to Gamescom if they have nothing to show?
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Looks like the exact structure you'd want to place on the convention floor if you wanted a sealed and private space where Ninty can whisper Drake specs to developers
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To talk to devs in attendance at Gamescom privately. Same reason they “attend” TGS every year.
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It will always be a conversation for debate leading up the release of the hardware. I remember when it was confirmed that the Switch would be using the standard Tegra X1 and there was a significant amount of worry for how this would effect third party support. We had already seen the Shield TV struggle to run some Xbox 360 ports, so when we found out the Switch would be using the same Tegra X1 processor but downclocked, the outlook didn't look great. In the end the Switch became wildly popular and third party support, while certainly not on par with PS or Xbox, was still far more significant that the specs would have made you believe. There was plenty of skeptics would swore up and down a game like the Witcher 3 could not run on the Switch, no matter how many compromises were made.
SNG will be in a similar spot, but thanks to Xbox Series S, has a partner in crime within a stones throw of it. At minimum, we appear to be looking at a PS4+ with a better CPU and probably more RAM. As long as SNG is successful, and its hard to imagine it flopping seeing as how Switch is still selling nearly as well as the PS5, developers will have plenty of incentive to accommodate these lower spec machines when developing their games. So regardless if SNG is 2TFLop or 3.4 Tflop, it will have little to no impact on the amount of ports it will see. Peoples natural assumption is if the power differential is smaller that will mean more ports, but the reality is a 3.4Tflop SNG that doesn't sell well would get less ports than a 2Tflop SNG that is selling very well just like its predecessor. This is nothing new of course, the conversation regardless its performance will persist until the hardware is released and the games start to roll in.
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Should’ve been plastered onto that red wall like a graphic. Then they jump out and get you.
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Shuntaro Furukawa Nintendo have a harsh battle to convince people to buy our games
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Shuntaro Furukawa Says Nintendo Is In "Harsh Battle" To Retain Customer Base - Gameranx
Shuntaro Furukawa has revealed a unique insight into how Nintendo is thinking about its customers, and it's not what you think.
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Well, you don't show up at an event, book out floor space for a private room, unless you have something to show someone. Seems very plausible at this point Nintendo's only reasoning for attending Gamescom was to meet with developers behind closed doors. Between Gamescom this month and TGS next month, information is bound to start trickling out in the very near future.
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No one (or outlet) is going to rush to share or report anything they get told during Gamescom.
Going by that clip I'd expect to see two Switches duct-taped together in that f*****ng box
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Been reading up on igzo MEMS. Worth a quick glance.
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oh great like make a clickbait and fool everyone theres new informations for the gameGoing by that clip I'd expect to see two Switches duct-taped together in that f*****ng box
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Gonna assume these things get talked about, cross referenced to make sure everyone is hearing the same thing then once enough people know then shit starts going down?
There is a cottage industry devoting to translating any Nintendo executive quotes in the most sensational mannner for engagements. For example, Furukawa didn’t actually say that every year is “do or die” for Nintendo, when “critical” is a more accurate translation. And for this quote from NHK, “harsh battle” is really a stretch, when a simple “tough competition” suffices.Shuntaro Furukawa Nintendo have a harsh battle to convince people to buy our games
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This post is a great explainer, but there are some fundamental differences between denoising and antialiasing that are worth clarifying. For example, I wouldn't say that anti-aliasing is deleting "real" detail. Both noise and aliasing are sampling artifacts, but their origin is very different. I'll elaborate on why:
Spatial frequency
Just like how signals that vary in time have a frequency, so do signals that vary in space. A really simple signal in time is something like sin(2 * pi * t). It's easy to imagine a similar signal in 2D space: sin(2 * pi * x) * sin(2 * pi * y). I'll have Wolfram Alpha plot it:
The important thing to notice here is that the frequency content in x and y separable. You could have a function that has a higher frequency in x then in y, like sin(5 * pi * x) * sin(2 * pi * y):
So just like time frequency has dimensions 1/[Time], spatial frequency is a 1-dimensional concept with dimensions 1/[Length]. The way the signal varies with x and the way it varies with y are independent. That's true in 1D, 2D, 3D... N-D, but we care about 2D because images are 2D signals.
What is aliasing, really?
Those sine functions above are continuous; you know exactly what the value is at every point you can imagine. But a digital image is discrete; it's made up of a finite number of equally spaced points. To make a discrete signal out of a continuous signal, you have to sample each point on the grid. If you want to take that discrete signal back to a continuous signal, then you have to reconstruct the original signal.
Ideally, that reconstruction would be perfect. A signal is called band-limited if the highest frequency is finite. For example, in digital music, we think of most signals as band-limited to the frequency that the human ears can hear, which is generally accepted to be around 20,000 Hz. A very important theory in digital signal processing, called the Nyquist-Shannon theorem, says that you can reconstruct a band-limited signal perfectly if you sample at more than twice the highest frequency in the signal. That's why music with a 44 kHz sampling rate is considered lossless; 44 kHz is more than twice the limit of human hearing at 20 kHz, so the audio signal can be perfectly reconstructed.
When you sample at less than twice the highest frequency, it's no longer possible to perfectly reconstruct the original signal. Instead, you get an aliased representation of the data. The sampling rate of a digital image is the resolution of the sensor, in a camera, or of the display in a computer-rendered image. This sampling rate needs to be high enough to correctly represent the information that you want to capture/display; otherwise, you will get aliasing.
By the way, this tells us why we get diminishing returns with increasing resolution. Since the x and y components of the signal are separable, quadrupling the "resolution" in the sense of the number of pixels (for example, going from 1080p to 2160p) only doubles the Nyquist frequency in x and in y.
So why does aliasing get explained as "jagged edges" so often? Well, any discontinuity, like a geometric edge, in an image is essentially an infinite frequency. With an infinite frequency, the signal is not band-limited, and there's no frequency that can satisfy the Nyquist-Shannon theorem. It's impossible to get perfect reconstruction. (https://pbr-book.org/3ed-2018/Sampling_and_Reconstruction/Sampling_Theory) But you can also have aliasing without a discontinuity, when the spatial resolution is too low to represent a signal (this is the reason why texture mipmaps exist; lower resolution mipmaps are low-pass filtered to remove high frequency content, preventing aliasing).
You can even have temporal aliasing in a game, when the framerate is too low to represent something moving quickly (for example, imagine a particle oscillating between 2 positions at 30 Hz; if your game is rendering at less than 60 fps, then by the Nyquist-Shannon theorem, the motion of the particle will be temporally aliased).
So what do we do to get around aliasing?
The best solution, from an image quality perspective, is to low-pass filter the signal before sampling it. Which yes, does essentially mean blurring it. For a continuous signal, the best function is called the sinc function, because it acts as a perfect low pass filter in frequency space. But the sinc function is infinite, so the best you can do in discrete space is to use a finite approximation. That, with some hand-waving, is what Lanczos filtering is, which (plus some extra functionality to handle contrast at the edges and the like) is how FSR handles reconstruction. Samples of the scene are collected in each frame, warped by the motion vectors, then filtered to reconstruct as much of the higher frequency information as possible.
The old-school methods of anti-aliasing, like supersampling and MSAA, worked similarly. You take more samples than you need (in the case of MSAA, you do it selectively near edges), then low-pass filter them to generate a final image without aliasing. By the way, even though it seems like an intuitive choice, the averaging filter (e.g. taking 4 4K pixels and averaging them to a single 1080p pixel) is actually kind of a shitty low-pass filter, because it introduces ringing artifacts in frequency space. Lanczos is much better.
An alternative way to do the filtering is to use a convolutional neural network (specifically, a convolutional autoencoder). DLDSR is a low-pass filter for spatial supersampling, and of course, DLSS does reconstruction. These are preferable to Lanczos because, since the signal is discrete and not band-limited, there's no perfect analytical filter for reconstruction. Instead of doing contrast-adaptive shenanigans like FSR does, you can just train a neural network to do the work. (And, by the way, if Lanczos is the ideal filter, then the neural network will learn to reproduce Lanczos, because a neural network is a universal function approximator; with enough nodes, it can learn any function.). Internally, the convolutional neural network downsamples the image several times while learning relevant features about the image, then you use the learned features to reconstruct the output image.
What's different about ray tracing, from a signal processing perspective?
(I have no professional background in rendering. I do work that involves image processing, so I know more about that. But I have done some reading about this for fun, so let's go).
When light hits a surface, some amount of it is transmitted, and some amount is scattered. To calculate the emitted light, you have to solve what's called the light transport equation, which is essentially an integral over some function that describes how the material emits light. But in most cases, this equation does not have an exact, analytic solution. Instead, you need to use a numerical approximation.
Monte Carlo algorithms numerically approximate an integral by randomly sampling over the integration domain. Path tracing is the application of a Monte Carlo algorithm to the light transport equation. Because you are randomly sampling, you get image noise, which converges with more random samples. But if you have a good denoising algorithm, you can reduce the number of samples for convergence. Unsurprisingly, convolutional autoencoders are also very good at this (because again, universal function approximators). Again, I'm not in this field, but I mean, Nvidia's published on it before (https://research.nvidia.com/publica...n-monte-carlo-image-sequences-using-recurrent). It's out there!
And yes, you can have aliasing in ray-traced images. If you took all the ray samples from the same pixel grid, and you happen to come across any high-frequency information, it would be aliased. So instead, you can randomly distribute the Monte Carlo samples, using some sampling algorithm (https://www.pbr-book.org/3ed-2018/Monte_Carlo_Integration/Careful_Sample_Placement).
Once you have the samples, DLSS was already very similar in structure to a denoising algorithm. If, for example, the Halton sampling algorithm (https://pbr-book.org/3ed-2018/Sampling_and_Reconstruction/The_Halton_Sampler) for distributing Monte Carlo samples sounds familiar, it's because it's the algorithm that Nvidia recommends for subpixel jittering in DLSS. So temporal upscalers like DLSS already exploit random distribution to sample and reconstruct higher frequency information. So it makes sense to combine the DLSS reconstruction passes for rasterized and ray traced samples because, in many ways, the way the data are structured and processed is very similar.
tl;dr
Aliasing is an artifact of undersampling a high-frequency signal. Good anti-aliasing methods filter out the high frequency information before sampling to remove aliasing from the signal. Temporal reconstruction methods, like DLSS and FSR, use randomly jittered samples collected over multiple frames to reconstruct high frequency image content.
Noise in ray tracing is an artifact of randomly sampling rays using a Monte Carlo algorithm. Instead of taking large numbers of random samples, denoising algorithms attempt to reconstruct the signal from a noisy input.
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Translation: "We're in the entertainment business and we're constantly fighting every other entertainment company for your time and attention."Shuntaro Furukawa Nintendo have a harsh battle to convince people to buy our games
Shuntaro Furukawa Says Nintendo Is In "Harsh Battle" To Retain Customer Base - Gameranx
Shuntaro Furukawa has revealed a unique insight into how Nintendo is thinking about its customers, and it's not what you think.
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Sony or Microsoft (I forgot which) said basically the same thing.
Their competitor isnt just Sony or Microsoft..... it's Netflix, it's books, it's going outside, it's everything else you could be doing instead of playing their games.
If you're seeing dev kits at these shows, you definitely lower tier in Nintendo's eyes. Also, I don't think they would be at these venues specifically. Maybe use them as cover to invite people to their HQs for briefing
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OLED is cool and all for a phone and a mid-gen upgrade that only lasts about 2-3 years, but is impractical for a device meant to be used 4-6 years (and yes I have seen WULFF DEN's video). I have owned multiple OLED devices, all burning in from Apps like Chrome and Instagram which are used like 2 hours max a day within a year (the Switch equivalent would be the home menu and Nintendo Switch Online borders.
Personally if they do go with OLED, we should all wish that it's LG making the Panel as they know how to get the best longevity out of an OLED screen
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I'm not sure this is saying what you are suggesting it is saying. Not that I'm calling you out, this is tricky stuff.Also, Nvidia is more efficient than AMD. The difference is no longer massive like it was pre-RDNA 2, but is still there.
Edit: Here's a good article about it:
Graphics Card Power Consumption and Efficiency Tested
We tested over fifty graphics cards to see which give the best performance per watt.www.tomshardware.com
Here, RDNA 2 vs Ampere seems to be very even, but Ampere is on Samsung 8nm while RDNA 2 is on TSMC 7nm, which very significant. If Switch 2 is in TSMC 4nm then the difference vs Steam Deck in power consumption would be large.
@Samuspet is talking about FLOPS per Watt. How much does it cost to go past 1 TFLOP? But that's not what this article is talking about - this is talking about benchmark performance per watt.
And the article isn't benchmarking architectures, it's benchmarking GPUs. That matters, because different cards in the same architecture might have radically different efficiencies. In general wider but slower designs are more power efficient than faster but narrower designs. You can build cards both way with either architecture.
Let's take a look at two cards that perform very similarly on the benchmark. The RX 6700 XT and the RTX 3070 have nearly identical benchmark results and power draw numbers. On paper, for this test, the cards look basically exactly the same.
But they have totally different designs. The RX 6700 XT is made up of 2560 RDNA 2 cores, running at 2.6 GHz. The RTX 3070 is made up of 5888 Ampere cores, running at 1.7 GHz. The RDNA 2 card is going for that traditionally inefficient narrow but fast design, and yet is totally keeping up with Ampere. This actually implies the opposite. The RDNA 2 is much more efficient than Ampere.
If you look at it per TFLOP, the way Samuspet was, it's even more stark. Every single RX 6000 series card absolutely stomps the RTX 30 equivalent in efficiency here.
| Card | Watts | TFLOPS | TFLOPS/Watt |
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| RTX 3070 | 219.3 | 20.31 | 0.0926128591 |
| RTX 3060Ti | 205.5 | 16.2 | 0.07883211679 |
| RTX 3060 (12GB) | 171.8 | 12.74 | 0.07415599534 |
| RTX 3080 | 333 | 29.77 | 0.0893993994 |
| RTX 3090 | 361 | 35.59 | 0.09858725762 |
| RX 6800 | 235.4 | 32.33 | 0.1373406967 |
| RX 6700xt | 215.5 | 26.42 | 0.1225986079 |
| RX 6900xt | 308.5 | 46.08 | 0.1493679092 |
| RX 6800xt | 303.4 | 41.47 | 0.1366842452 |
You can also see that both sets of cards have lots of variation. Details in the way those cores are arranged and clocked can have huge implications for power consumption.
If we look at frames/Watt, what this benchmark was designed to do, we can see that the two arches are roughly equivalent.
| Card | Watts | Frames | Frames/W |
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| RTX 3070 | 219.3 | 116.6 | 0.5316917465 |
| RTX 3060Ti | 205.5 | 106.3 | 0.5172749392 |
| RTX 3060 (12GB) | 171.8 | 83.6 | 0.4866123399 |
| RTX 3080 | 333 | 142.1 | 0.4267267267 |
| RTX 3090 | 361 | 152.7 | 0.4229916898 |
| RX 6800 | 235.4 | 130.8 | 0.5556499575 |
| RX 6700xt | 215.5 | 112 | 0.5197215777 |
| RX 6900xt | 308.5 | 148.1 | 0.4800648298 |
| RX 6800xt | 303.4 | 142.8 | 0.4706657877 |
But that begs an obvious question. If frames/watt are similar, but TFLOPS/watt are different, doesn't that imply that there is a difference in Frames/TFLOP? Yes it does.
| Card | TFLOPS | Frames | Frames/TFLOP |
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| RTX 3070 | 20.31 | 116.6 | 5.741014279 |
| RTX 3060Ti | 16.2 | 106.3 | 6.561728395 |
| RTX 3060 (12GB) | 12.74 | 83.6 | 6.562009419 |
| RTX 3080 | 29.77 | 142.1 | 4.773261673 |
| RTX 3090 | 35.59 | 152.7 | 4.290531048 |
| RX 6800 | 32.33 | 130.8 | 4.045777915 |
| RX 6700xt | 26.42 | 112 | 4.239212718 |
| RX 6900xt | 46.08 | 148.1 | 3.213975694 |
| RX 6800xt | 41.47 | 142.8 | 3.443453099 |
The Ampere cards are stomping all over the face of the RDNA 2 cards, not in the number of TFLOPS, but their quality.
What the hell does all this mean?
The first thing to take away is that there is huge variation in these devices. There isn't one Rosetta stone that allows us to definitively determine which arch is more efficient, or more powerful, but X%, all the time every time.
The second is that the numbers are a bit deceiving. We get hung up on comparing TFLOPS to TFLOPS, but an RDNA2 TFLOP isn't an Ampere TFLOP... but from this chart we can see a 3060 TFLOP isn't a 3090 TFLOP!
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I just found that Intel had published a paper last year that also combined denoising and supersampling into one network. I haven't read it through yet but, as the Facebook paper was for supersampling, this should be useful for figuring out how DLSS ray reconstruction is working behind the scenes.
And, no surprise, the core feature extraction network is a convolutional autoencoder (specifically, a U-Net, which is a common architecture for image segmentation and the like). Plenty of modifications in the other blocks, though:
And, no surprise, the core feature extraction network is a convolutional autoencoder (specifically, a U-Net, which is a common architecture for image segmentation and the like). Plenty of modifications in the other blocks, though:
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People think Nintendo is showing / talking about Drake in private while in fact they’re talking about NateDrake.
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Nintendo always show dev kit for a future console at important trade shows, such as E3, Gamescom or Tokyo Game Show, did you forgot Nintendo showed dev kit for Switch at E3 2015?
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Cause in all those cases, they had to start diverting software development away from the old architecture on to the new one, as well as focusing on a new set of services and ecosystem different from the previous.
That wouldn’t be the case here. Same ecosystem, same shop, same services…nothing to try and move people away from and towards to.
And most importantly, it’s the same base architecture that’s in the new hardware whose design is specifically geared to run low profile games and output them high profile.
There is no good reason for Nintendo NOT to continue to put those low profiles on the current models.
So what would the rush be to move people over?
It’s slowing down because of hitting saturation, not because it’s losing engagement.
I think people are overestimating how much of the Switch userbase will really NEED to play Mario Kart and Animal Crossing and such in 4K with better graphics. And willing to pay another $400 any time soon to do it. So why not cater to them for another 5-6 years?
Even with the other consoles, the ps4 and One got support for most of the games for 3 years. The current models are going to have a much larger engagement and longer tail than those machines.
But why, though.
I can see them stop making TX1+ hardware by 2026, sure. But why stop putting most of their big games on them?
I believe Nintendo when they say this will have an abnormally long lifecycle.
lol. Gamecube is easy. It’s the same reasons Nintendo published ZERO games for the Gamecube after 2006. None of those reasons apply in this situation.
Even the people who don’t like what I’m saying will agree that most Nintendo games will appear on the OLED/Lite for at least 3 years after this new model releases.
Similar to Wii. Same reasons they never published a game to the Wii after the Wii U came out. Wii engagement was pretty much dead for Nintendo games by the time 2012 rolled around. Yes, they embedded a chip into the Wii U to play Wii games, but to still make new post 2012 games for the Wii would require two different teams making two different versions (and then having to deal with the design difference of the Wii not having a gamepad screen)
In this particular Switch situation, we have none of that. It would be the same exact team and development making a low end profile and then using the new hardware to make a high end profile, they don’t have to have focus on two different versions from being built from the ground up separately.
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How romantic.
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