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There's a reason Furukawa said "Switch next model is the appropriate way to describe it."This feels like a DS -> 3DS sequel kind of system imo.
There's a reason Furukawa said "Switch next model is the appropriate way to describe it."This feels like a DS -> 3DS sequel kind of system imo.
There's a reason Furukawa said "Switch next model is the appropriate way to describe it."
more like GBA -> 3DSThis feels like a DS -> 3DS sequel kind of system imo.
This is a complete mistranslation and misinterpretation.There's a reason Furukawa said "Switch next model is the appropriate way to describe it."
no idea, mind you this is just what i saw when i was running thraktors formula to see what kinda numbers we're lookin at so i view this as a very fuzzy estimate to begin with. i dont know where to even begin with to compare this (which i think is just the gpu) and the numbers ive seen from people measuring switch power consumption, which is the entire switch at once. and ive only ever seen anandtechs og switch measurementsJust so I have some point of reference - what kind of wattage are we looking for that we want to be the limit (before it goes HAWT HAWT)?
He didn't say that.
I'm still waiting for Nintendo to release the official Q&A transcriptsAs discussed yesterday, his translation is wrong, and from my understanding of Japanese, Furukawa's phrase does not refer to the "successor to the switch concept", but merely repeats the word "successor".
FWIW, it doesn’t sound like Gibson is referring to the tweet that got released to announce the Direct/Switch Successor announcement.As discussed yesterday, his translation is wrong, and from my understanding of Japanese, Furukawa's phrase does not refer to the "successor to the switch concept", but merely repeats the word "successor".
@LiC found out through shipment data that the system will have LPDDR5X RAM. Big news IMO.I wake up (it's just before 7am in my time zone) and there are what feels like 100 new pages. Has something happened? Are there any new rumors/leaks? Could someone maybe tell me in 2 or 3 sentences what's going on? That would be very nice.
more like GBA -> 3DS
The Q&A hasn’t been released yet, it usually takes 3-4 days for that to happen. But I agree with your message.FWIW, it doesn’t sound like Gibson is referring to the tweet that got released to announce the Direct/Switch Successor announcement. Seems like he is just retweeting to add additional context to what he heard afterwards.
But an earnings call that occurs after the FY earnings press release. Which is a normal occurrence for any company during their earnings announcements. With Furukawa answering a question that got asked of him which is what Gibson’s response seems to refer to.
I’ve not seen the Q&A if there was one that occurred. Or any of the discussion that got held online. But thats my interpretation of Gibson’s tweets phrasing.
Yeah, 3DS to Switch was the huge leap of an upgrade for the handhelds. This will be a more traditional jump (and still greatly appreciated)While I'm happy at the specs we got, I don't think this is a 2 generational upgrade.
Yes, but the answer was literally just Furukawa no-commenting to someone who asked him "is it meaningful that you called it the successor to the Switch? Does that mean it's similar to Switch?" Furukawa said he couldn't confirm anything about the hardware. Then he said "we decided to use the language 'the successor to Nintendo Switch' [for the tweet]" without elaborating. Gibson turned his no comment into a confirmation of the thing he specifically said he wasn't commenting on.FWIW, it doesn’t sound like Gibson is referring to the tweet that got released to announce the Direct/Switch Successor announcement.
Seems like he is just retweeting to add additional context to what he heard afterwards during an earnings call that occurs after the FY earnings press release. Which is a normal occurrence for any company during their earnings announcements. With Furukawa answering a question that got asked of him which is what Gibson’s response seems to refer to.
I’ve not seen the Q&A if there was one that occurred. Or any of the discussion that got held online. But thats my interpretation of Gibson’s tweets phrasing. Gibson is also based in Tokyo so he could easily tune in for the earnings call that had occurred.
Only the Japanese Q&A, which I believe was released last Tuesday at night or last Wednesday at the early morning.The q&a has been released
Waiting for the official English translation so we don’t have to speculate about the meaning of certain words or phrasesThe q&a has been released
Are there really no Japanese speakers here?Waiting for the official English translation so we don’t have to speculate about the meaning of certain words or phrases
Waiting for the official English translation so we don’t have to speculate about the meaning of certain words or phrases
This isn't a case where any words or phrases are in doubt. I don't think there's any ambiguity in this machine translation, where an investor is asking for details about the hardware based on their own (weird) understanding of what "successor" implies, and Furukawa simply declines to give them any such details.Are there really no Japanese speakers here?
I don't keep my Joy-Cons on my Switch, and I keep my Pro Controller in a laptop bag. Slips right into my jogger or jean pocket.Do you all only wear cargo pants? Is it a coat pocket in a parka? It wouldn't even fit in my shoulder bag. I legitimately cannot fathom it.
Sorry but one point of clarification. This guy refers to the earnings call, which is a tad different from the q&a we all read. The latter was edited, the former was not. Maybe he said it afterall. Like this tweet was produced before the Q&A was even out.As discussed yesterday, his translation is wrong, and from my understanding of Japanese, Furukawa's phrase does not refer to the "successor to the switch concept", but merely repeats the word "successor".
You wouldn't take this part of the Q&A, where Furukawa responds directly to someone asking him "does the wording you chose mean the hardware is like the Switch?" with "I'm not going to tell you anything about the hardware," at face value? So he secretly did say "next Switch model" or something on the call, confirming it is like the Switch, instead of just saying that the pre-prepared PR phrase was the appropriate way to describe it, and they just edited that out and made him say the opposite?Sorry but one point of clarification. This guy refers to the earnings call, which is a tad different from the q&a we all read. The latter was edited, the former was not. Maybe he said it afterall. Like this tweet was produced before the Q&A was even out.
Edit: I see this was discussed in the subsequent messages. My point is i would not take the Q&A at face value.
Do you all only wear cargo pants? Is it a coat pocket in a parka? It wouldn't even fit in my shoulder bag. I legitimately cannot fathom it.
Yes, regardless if the hardware decoder is Ampere's or Orin's. Both support it.does T239 include AV1 decode?
That’s good. AV1 is important for media apps. That hopefully means more media companies get on board.Yes, regardless if the hardware decoder is Ampere's or Orin's. Both support it.
umm...No?
no.Yes, so the question comes to whether drake's 1536cuda core count is a significant disadvantage compared to xss's shader count?
This isn't about an interpretation. Gibson posted a tweet claiming Furukawa had said a certain thing, and therefore that Furukawa had confirmed the new hardware was like the Switch. But Furukawa didn't say that, which means Furukawa didn't confirm that. And in fact it was the opposite, what Gibson is trying to quote here was Furukawa refusing to confirm anything about the nature of the hardware. So that's what I'm hung up on. Gibson's tweet is factually incorrect. What anyone else thinks "successor" means, or the announcement tweet's wording means, isn't the question here.Not sure why some folks are confused. Furukawa's word on "successor" seems like he meant something like Game Boy -> Game Boy Advance or DS -> 3DS. Wanting to keep what made the Switch great (hybrid console) and just improve on it with even better hardware.
You wouldn't take this part of the Q&A, where Furukawa responds directly to someone asking him "does the wording you chose mean the hardware is like the Switch?" with "I'm not going to tell you anything about the hardware," at face value? So he secretly did say "next Switch model" or something on the call, confirming it is like the Switch, instead of just saying that the pre-prepared PR phrase was the appropriate way to describe it, and they just edited that out and made him say the opposite?
Gibson: "Switch next model is the appropriate way to describe it."There is such a gap between the two versions, i want to give the guy who reported the benefit of the doubt, especially as there is no reason (alas) for Nintendo to make the device anything other than a switch.
Besides how can we be sure both statements refer to the same question? I would think there was more than 8 questions asked, I can be wrong.
16GB for now but PS6 and next-gen Xbox are coming sooner now that MS/Sony have both admitted their consoles flopped this gen. No doubt we’ll have more RAM in those which could be a problem for Switch 2 to keep up with.
Im still catching up with this thread and bam you just dropped the bomb of all bombsI don't have time to compile the details, but, from the shipment listings:
The console has 12 GB RAM, from two 6 GB 7500 MT/s LPDDR5 (LPDDR5X? it's unclear) modules. The internal storage is 256 GB of UFS 3.1.
Thank you to several other people who have been sharing in the research on these listings to determine this.
Edit: I put this in hide tags without thinking because it's shipment stuff, but this is going to get out no matter what, so I might as well remove them.
Probably nintendooming. It isn't just the chip it is purposely capped down because of resources like memory and network.Was looking at the reddit post about today's information again. Saw a guy telling others to expect another shitty wifi chip again so 10mbs down would be the max. Is there any truth to this? I didn't think any data was found relating to this.
T239 GPU: 576 Warps, 48 Schedulers,
The encoder was never the problem. The guy at Nintendo didn't hit publish was the problem.That’s good. AV1 is important for media apps. That hopefully means more media companies get on board.
With Netflix on Switch 2 that would be great.
The Nvidia hack. There's a ton of detail there.Where'd you get these numbers? I thought the only things we knew about the GPU were the shader cores, tensor cores and RT cores?
If we're pitting a machine translation against a human one I'd err on the side of the human translation. Especially for something that's JP->EN.Gibson: "Switch next model is the appropriate way to describe it."
Machine: "We decided that it would be best to use the expression 'successor to the Nintendo Switch.'"
It's the same response, except that the first one is doing the opposite of what Furukawa said (confirming something about the hardware), and the second one is just reiterating the clearly pre-prepared PR phrase from the announcement tweet like you would expect them to.
But I give up. If people don't care that Gibson reported something untrue -- regardless of whether the reality is the hardware being like the Switch or not -- then I guess I can't convince them to care.
We don't need a translation to know what he said. The phrase Furukawa and the investor both used is, specifically, the phrase from the announcement tweet. But that's not what's even important. I only posted that comparison because someone asked me how I can be sure Gibson's (mis)quote and the Q&A answer were the same response.If we're pitting a machine translation against a human one I'd err on the side of the human translation. Especially for something that's JP->EN.