IMO, if you're typing shit into code, I question if you're making "placeholders". otherwise you're gonna have to go back and replace all that. and pray you haven't passed the name itself to some system you haven't touched
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UE5.4 write up
Unreal Engine 5.4: Epic's latest revision delivers big performance and feature wins
Alex Battaglia investigates Unreal Engine version 5.4. What new additions and improvements are there, and how will games make use of them on PC and consoles?www.eurogamer.net
-Significantly improves CPU performance
-Improved lighting though it comes with flickering that must be improved on.
-Interesting use of Nanite for character models though this is very far away from being used
-Traversal stutter is not fixed
Video version for any interested. Worth nothing that the CPU performance improvements are more noticeable on lower end systems. Food for thought, considering Switch 2's limitations in comparison to the big boy machines.
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I'm a child of the 80s so I've been pronouncing it like DiC
So I guess like "leak"
Yeah I'd like to know the proper way too
Oh you're not alone, I'm the same way.
And it's not just us, either. You shoulda seen how people in other threads were reacting when I simply made my Sonic plushie frown for a while. Or when I made it a Sonic Wohoy for a while.
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whoa, core memory unlocked
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Maybe it supports a faster 5X, but it doesn't matter for Nintendo.
If they decide to do a stronger Switch they will have to modify/shirnk the SoC and they can change the controller at that point, like Mariko added LPDDR4X support.
And if the revision isn't meant to be stronger, they will keep the RAM clock the same despite using a module which could go faster. Once again, like Mariko using 4X modules at 4's speed.
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Yes haha. Edited the post.
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I had to turn that video off lmao
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I do that kind of stuff regularly though.. search & replace. It's no biggie, and if the code has good test coverage, errors should crop up if renaming is missed somewhere.
But yeah, I agree in principle if the screenshot of code we saw was for something that had already went live (went int production). Potential ripple effects that could get ugly if one does actually have to replace "Muji" with something else after the code have already went live. Although I don't think it matters that much either particularly if it's something that doesn't go beyond an API endpoint. Underlying code can change as much as it wants to as long as API responses don't change.
(disclaimer: I don't know where the code in screenshot came from, I'm assuming it's part of Unity library/SDK? based on other context in the screenshot)
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At this point, is there really any difference between a placeholder and a codename? If Muji is being used internally and referred to by the devkit for years up until the hardware release, it's a codename.
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I just heard there’s a built in mic… was I right? Or did I know?
There's no point in having a placeholder for a code name.
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Don't know what it was you said before, but yeah, LiC found thisI just heard there’s a built in mic… was I right? Or did I know?
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If the placeholder is "placeholder," then yes. That's why the word's Japanese meaning is what some of us have been trying to sus out. It'd be like if someone uncovered code from an english-speaking dev that said "codename=tbd" and the internet decided the codename is literally "TBD"
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It may be a bit offensive, but what I'm trying to say is that I really hate the auto-on microphone forced communication scheme on the ps5.And while I've encountered several instances of very poor quality Chinese and American students in online play (Japan is better due to its overly public etiquette), I don't want to shoehorn a microphone into switch2 to result in voice attacks on each other similar to the Splatoon pvp, and I'd prefer to still not have a voice chat system implanted into the game.
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I could see Nintendo embracing voice chat more with the rise of automatic offensive language detection via machine learning.
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DS in NSO!
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Well considering the microphone is only on the console itself, it would probably be used for something like DS games on NSO, rather than voice chat. I'm guessing people's set ups don't have their Switches right next to them, so trying to VC by screaming at the Switch several feet away while sound comes through the TV... That just seems like the Wii Speak all over again. And we know how well that went.
Nintendo used the microphones in the DS/3DS for quirky stuff like Mario Party mini games and Miitomo - I could see them wanting one in the Switch 2 for similar reasons.
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That's only true if "muji" is actually used as a placeholder in Japanese, like "TBD" is in English. TBD is also not the name of an American retailer.
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Is it on the console or on the joycons.
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So far the evidence suggests it is only on the console itself. In other words, the tablet.
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Well that would be a weird and pretty limiting choice.
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I'm pretty sure LiC found mic in other place too, probably the joycon. double checking his post now.
edit: don't see any other place. my overactive imagination.
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Which is why I assumed it was significant that a Japanese speaker came in here and almost immediately said it struck them as a placeholder.
But the reason the Muji retailer is even named that is because of the meaning of the word being "plain or unbranded." And why would Nintendo pick the name of a retailer as a codename?
If it really is the actual codename then okay, rad. I just really feel like there's a possibility that we're jumping on something without understanding the language it came from.
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That's not the same thing as it being a word that's actually used as a placeholder. If it's actually used as a placeholder, there should be some examples to point to.
Why did they pick the name of an airport as the codename for the 3DS?
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I keep seeing mention of this but I don't know what the 3DS codename was. So I googled it and apparently it was "Citrus?" Seems more in line with the codename Cafe than with Nintendo literally naming it after an airport.
Unless I'm really missing something
Which I probably am, to be fair
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You got a point but all I can see is people at Nintendo having conversation like,
"How progress going on placeholder?"
"Not bad, our third party partners really wanted 16gb but I don't think that's possible if we want to keep placeholder at $400"
"Oh really? Did you manage to fix the problem with NintendoPlaceholder.KLinkedListNode ?"
"Yes. There was a problem with NintendoPlaceholder.KObjectAllocator"
"Great. I will present that at the placeholder meeting at 11"
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Maybe the mic is so you can talk to your switch 2…
Like whispering sweet nothings to it when you are feeling randy
Like whispering sweet nothings to it when you are feeling randy
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"O how I love thee Muji.."
CTR is named after Chubu Centrair International AirportI keep seeing mention of this but I don't know what the 3DS codename was. So I googled it and apparently it was "Citrus?" Seems more in line with the codename Cafe than with Nintendo literally naming it after an airport.
Unless I'm really missing something
Which I probably am, to be fair
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Re: Codename
I think ya'll can tell I've been kinda avoiding the conversation. Some of you may remember the troubles I had the last time I tried to play leaker, and I vowed to not do it anymore (at least not directly, only sending my info on to others and only when I thought it would be safe). Please don't ask me any follow up questions about this, just laying it out to clear the air. Not putting in hide tags because all it does it encourage people to copy it elsewhere, and I'm not gonna say anything that's gonna risk anyone's job.
Yes, I knew about Gimle, and I've known about it for a couple of years, actually. It was pretty easy to infer that the name did not refer to the whole console, but that it was the equivalent of Switch's Odin, the Nvidia code name for the motherboard. The Nvidia Shield motherboard also had a Norse myth codename associated with it, but I can't recall, but regardless, it was obvious what that's what it was.
Yes, I knew about Muji. I have thought the placeholder theory always made sense, but I also have a reason to believe (which I will not discuss here) that it is a legitimate project name. I personally don't care one way or the other. We've said that it was useful as a shibboleth but that's not actually what made me interested in the name. Data about internal Nvidia projects winds up in the public source code or documentation all the time, but if you don't know what the string of letters refers to, then you can't infer anything from it. And Nvidia has gotten better about realizing when the internet has caught on and rehiding that information.
To my knowledge, nothing showed up in public records attached to Muji. Shrug.
There was the silliness a while back with "NX2" and a certain YouTuber using a post I made to claim I had confirmed that as the codename. That was the beginning of this whole thing getting extremely silly in a way that affected me IRL. I'll clarify now that I had heard NX2 used as a reference to Switch Next... but not by developers who seemed to be working on projects for Switch 2. It was just a shorthand that some devs I knew were using to refer to "whatever devkit Nintendo sends out for the next thing" and not a name that (to my knowledge) was ever used by Nintendo.
The Switch itself came out of something at Nintendo called Project Indy. The code name NX seems to have been applied after the name Switch was picked! That name was used to communicate with partners and with the public, without divulging anything about the still-in-progress hardware. Nvidia used Odin to refer to the Switch's motherboard, and Erista and Mariko were used as codenames for the chips inside.
I think you can see from this there is no "one" code name. Whether "Muji" is the equivalent of "Indy" or "NX" or a third thing (like a placeholder) I do not know. A friend, who is a Buddhist, refers to the concept of "Mu" in Buddhism as roughly corresponding to "a question so silly it doesn't deserve an answer." The question "what is the codename" in a world where there are project names, product names, board names, chip names and possibly even "different translations of the name" I think is pretty, well, mu.
Now that it is in the open, the most useful thing "Muji" can do for us, as fan-detectives, is give us a name for the device that isn't "Switch 2" and isn't stuck in some kind of constant spiral about whether its a good name, or accurately describes the device. I find it more than a little ironic that this means we can effectively replace the word [REDACTED] with a Japanese word that roughly means [NOTHING TO SEE HERE].
I think ya'll can tell I've been kinda avoiding the conversation. Some of you may remember the troubles I had the last time I tried to play leaker, and I vowed to not do it anymore (at least not directly, only sending my info on to others and only when I thought it would be safe). Please don't ask me any follow up questions about this, just laying it out to clear the air. Not putting in hide tags because all it does it encourage people to copy it elsewhere, and I'm not gonna say anything that's gonna risk anyone's job.
Yes, I knew about Gimle, and I've known about it for a couple of years, actually. It was pretty easy to infer that the name did not refer to the whole console, but that it was the equivalent of Switch's Odin, the Nvidia code name for the motherboard. The Nvidia Shield motherboard also had a Norse myth codename associated with it, but I can't recall, but regardless, it was obvious what that's what it was.
Yes, I knew about Muji. I have thought the placeholder theory always made sense, but I also have a reason to believe (which I will not discuss here) that it is a legitimate project name. I personally don't care one way or the other. We've said that it was useful as a shibboleth but that's not actually what made me interested in the name. Data about internal Nvidia projects winds up in the public source code or documentation all the time, but if you don't know what the string of letters refers to, then you can't infer anything from it. And Nvidia has gotten better about realizing when the internet has caught on and rehiding that information.
To my knowledge, nothing showed up in public records attached to Muji. Shrug.
There was the silliness a while back with "NX2" and a certain YouTuber using a post I made to claim I had confirmed that as the codename. That was the beginning of this whole thing getting extremely silly in a way that affected me IRL. I'll clarify now that I had heard NX2 used as a reference to Switch Next... but not by developers who seemed to be working on projects for Switch 2. It was just a shorthand that some devs I knew were using to refer to "whatever devkit Nintendo sends out for the next thing" and not a name that (to my knowledge) was ever used by Nintendo.
The Switch itself came out of something at Nintendo called Project Indy. The code name NX seems to have been applied after the name Switch was picked! That name was used to communicate with partners and with the public, without divulging anything about the still-in-progress hardware. Nvidia used Odin to refer to the Switch's motherboard, and Erista and Mariko were used as codenames for the chips inside.
I think you can see from this there is no "one" code name. Whether "Muji" is the equivalent of "Indy" or "NX" or a third thing (like a placeholder) I do not know. A friend, who is a Buddhist, refers to the concept of "Mu" in Buddhism as roughly corresponding to "a question so silly it doesn't deserve an answer." The question "what is the codename" in a world where there are project names, product names, board names, chip names and possibly even "different translations of the name" I think is pretty, well, mu.
Now that it is in the open, the most useful thing "Muji" can do for us, as fan-detectives, is give us a name for the device that isn't "Switch 2" and isn't stuck in some kind of constant spiral about whether its a good name, or accurately describes the device. I find it more than a little ironic that this means we can effectively replace the word [REDACTED] with a Japanese word that roughly means [NOTHING TO SEE HERE].
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If people at Nintendo were referring to it in conversation as placeholder then I agree that'd be weird.
But do we know how Nintendo has been referring to it in conversation?
Was it literally named after an airport, or was CTR an abbreviation for Citrus?
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Oh...
So either Nintendo managed to "share" data between main storage and microSD, reserving cold storage in microSD, or we're limited to 256GB for full performance and load. And then there's the unknown about Switch 2 game cartridges, which imo, with all the specs info about Switch 2 we got, should be the "main concern" now (cost, efficiency, capacity etc.) instead of clock speed
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I keep seeing mention of this but I don't know what the 3DS codename was. So I googled it and apparently it was "Citrus?" Seems more in line with the codename Cafe than with Nintendo literally naming it after an airport.
Unless I'm really missing something
Which I probably am, to be fair
What Feet said. For the longest time it was thought that 3DS CTR codename meant Citrus and the emulator was even named after it. But in the Gigaleak files, it was found an 2006 e-mail that showed that CTR actually meant Centrair.
CTR = Centrair. Citrus is wrongly made-up and actually was thought to be what CTR meant
Was it literally named after an airport, or was CTR an abbreviation for Citrus?
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The officially communicated 3DS codename is just CTR. People speculated for a long time what that meant, with Citrus being a common assumption. But there was a contemporaneous e-mail in the gigaleak that reveals it was based on Centrair, the name of an airport. They shortened it to CTR to pattern it after NTR (the abbreviation of Nitro, the DS's codename). All models after the original Nitro (so Lite, DSi, 3DS, 2DS, etc. etc.) were officially abbreviated to three letters for whatever reason instead of having full codenames like Nitro or Cafe.I keep seeing mention of this but I don't know what the 3DS codename was. So I googled it and apparently it was "Citrus?" Seems more in line with the codename Cafe than with Nintendo literally naming it after an airport.
Unless I'm really missing something
Which I probably am, to be fair
There was "confirmation" of Citrus from SciresM because some testing application's icon file was called "CiTRus," I think? But you can see from the capitalization they're just riffing on "CTR."
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It was exclusively pre-prod.
I'd say it's more likely they made revisions/changes to T239 than a total swap (I just noted a total swap as a possibility since that's what happened w/ mariko), such as the hypothetical swap to LPDDR5X.
We don't know any of this. It's a name mentioned in a single tool, which is given to all switch devs & they must have known would leak, in like two places in a very incomplete fashion.
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Whats funny is that I know the person behind centro leaks personally, he is behind "centro pokemon" which is like the spanish version of cerebii, we studied together in college, he basically reads forums like 4chan, reddit, famiboards all day compiling "leaks" I cant imagine he has any sources of his own."Leaky pros at Centro Leaks"
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Gotcha, thanks for that
Edit: thanks also to @LiC and @LuigiBlood for the added context, whose posts didn't pop up on my side until after I had already replied
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Meaning & History
From Japanese 夢 (mu) meaning "dream" combined with 治 (ji) meaning "govern, regulate, administer". This name can be constructed from other kanji combinations as well.
Imagine Nintendo doing a play on a past game console and this stands for "Dream Regulator"...
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is what I'm talking about when I ask if we know Nintendo is actually referring to Mugi internally or if it's just a placeholder in a couple spots of code.OMG with the new Sega revival games coming maybe this really is the Dreamcast 2 I've been hoping forMeaning & History
From Japanese 夢 (mu) meaning "dream" combined with 治 (ji) meaning "govern, regulate, administer". This name can be constructed from other kanji combinations as well.
Imagine Nintendo doing a play on a past game console and this stands for "Dream Regulator"...
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We'll need them for the HD ports of Spirit Tracks and Phantom of Hourglass.
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