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Atheerios said:
Nate says that he has also heard things about the 2 SKUs.
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Seems like stuff he heard us similar to what I posted about the rumour. No clue if it's the same person or not, but makes me curious as to how much actual information was actually real from the guy or if he was too enthusiastic.

Regardless, I'm thankful for his insight. I still believe a 2 SKU release is still highly plausible, but we'll see.
 
Dark Cloud said:
I’m watching Nate video so I’m not finished. Nate brought up the 2 SKU’s and saying it shouldn’t be dismissed with todays world.

I don’t have a problem with a digital only SKU. My issue is the digital only sku not even being BC. I’m sorry no no no. Yes the companies have to push us into a digital future
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A digital SKU just makes no sense to me. What space is Nintendo saving by not including a tiny card reader? Does the card reader really cost that much to include? Do they want to abandon their toy company philosophy and end up digital only?

I could see an LCD/OLED SKU, or even a more docked like one that has much better cooling to slam up the clocks on the GPU, but digital only?
 
Lancelot said:
So the two SKU nightmare is alive... As long as Nick's prophecy doesn't come true with the digital I think we'll be fine.
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I beat the "I made a fanfiction for attention" allegations. 🙏🙏

I still don't think Nick is right because it seems like something only believable to the "because Nintendo" crowd. It's too big of a non-sensical half measure for it to seem like something they'd do.
 
SoldierDelta said:
Seems like stuff he heard us similar to what I posted about the rumour. No clue if it's the same person or not, but makes me curious as to how much actual information was actually real from the guy or if he was too enthusiastic.

Regardless, I'm thankful for his insight. I still believe a 2 SKU release is still highly plausible, but we'll see.
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so far, it seems like the info we got from your(?) leak could be a mixture of true and false, based off of natedrake's podcast today. which, honestly, if you're taking a shot in the dark and hit targets on fairly apparent prospects, anyone fairly "in the know" could have done that lol.

from what i'm hearing, both of them on the podcast are saying "it makes sense" rather than "i can 100% confirm" so, it's nothing especially new. again, unless i'm hearing wrong.
 
wikiales said:
What's more likely?:

-Nintendo is about to reveal the Switch 2 in a matter of weeks, without enough mainstream rumours to actually build hype or get people in the right mental state for it, and the first big clue that this is the case is that they privated the original Switch reveal
-The video being privated has some other, wonky reason behind it that we can't quite figure out, and is unrelated to the new console
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You don’t wait for rumors and leaks to start announcing stuffs. You preferably want no rumors or leaks at all. You build hype with the announcement and after.
 
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As been pointed out in previous pages, the difficult thing for software BC is the translation layer.

If they have that figured out and working, it's "childs play" (compared to the actual creation of the layer) to add from what source the to-be-translated-code comes from.

So, no, they wouldn't really save anything by doing this weird quarter-physical-only-some-sku-only BC bullshit.
 
ns156 said:
A digital SKU just makes no sense to me. What space is Nintendo saving by not including a tiny card reader? Does the card reader really cost that much to include? Do they want to abandon their toy company philosophy and end up digital only?

I could see an LCD/OLED SKU, or even a more docked like one that has much better cooling to slam up the clocks on the GPU, but digital only?
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Tbh, when you do think about it an digital-only SKU makes perfect sense for them (with digital BC of course). Nintendo is the only console publisher that doesn't let their games come down in price so their margins from one would be infinitely higher, not to say we've gotten leaks before about the console bringing a sizable amount of internal memory for this same reason. It's totally expected honestly, it's the another bc rumour that's complete bs.
 
rêverie said:
so far, it seems like the info we got from your(?) leak could be a mixture of true and false, based off of natedrake's podcast today. which, honestly, if you're taking a shot in the dark and hit targets on fairly apparent prospects, anyone could have done lol.

from what i'm hearing, both of them on the podcast are saying "it makes sense" rather than "i can 100% confirm" so, it's nothing especially new. again, unless i'm hearing wrong.
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He confirmed around the 18-20 minute mark that the information is very similar to something he heard from a fair while ago. Basically I see it as:
A: A leaker gave information that was exaggerated to both me and Nate. The only difference is that I posted it to a Discord as a rumour and it spread like fire.
B: It's a faker who fed "believable" information to both of us and I fell for it, but in the end it served as a talking point for a few days.
C: Big coincidence from two different people

Either way it's a weird situation, but Nate knows more about it than I... if that wasn't already very evident.
 
Lancelot said:
Tbh, when you do think about it an digital-only SKU makes perfect sense for them (with digital BC of course). Nintendo is the only console publisher that doesn't let their games come down in price so their margins from one would be infinitely higher, not to say we've gotten leaks before about the console bringing a sizable amount of internal memory for this same reason. It's totally expected honestly, it's the another bc rumour that's complete bs.
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The problem is Nintendo has always relied on stores to stock their stuff as well. If they start abandoning them there is no going back, so they'd have to be pretty damn confident that they don't need physical store advertisement anymore.
 
me waiting for something juicy on this podcast:

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mjayer said:
Disclaimer: I do not want this to be true.

Why didn't anyone think of this before? It makes so much more sense of the original rumor, and MAY BE something Nintendo would do. At the very least we can bet they considered/are considering it.

Kill physical games entirely! But... why? Well if their next system is rocking a fast internal drive so they can get rid of those load speeds and enable different game design ala PS5, getting a game card to match is going to be pricey, and depending on the speed they want to hit, impossible? Heck current Switch game cards are already too pricey! So this leaves Nintendo with a choice. $70 (or more?) games? They tested the waters with Zelda, seemed to do okay. But they can't do that for all their games, can they? Also with NG development game sizes are going up up up which means even bigger game cards and even more $... going digital only solves it all. They can keep their pricing at $59 for big titles and $49 for smaller ones, WHILE making more profit per game. It's basically pure profit.

Which leads us to the 2 models and the confusing rumor. Actually both models have BC, digitally! Only one of them has a card slot for physical BC. That model is the "premium" model that also has probably a couple other features to distinguish it.
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Where would Nintendo get an expandable storage solution though that matches the speed of their internal storage for the Switch 2? SD-cards haven't really evolved since the OG Switch's release. Physical game carts are the most logical solution if Nintendo has to keep the internal storage capacity low to reduce costs. (Also physical is still very popular in Japan and i believe in Europe too)
I'm expecting 256GB of internal storage at best and 128GB at worst, with the latter being the most likely scenario. You're not going to fit many games even with 256GB so expandable storage is a necessity. I think Nintendo will for the the first ever settle for a proprietary solution like how Microsoft has done it with the NVME sticks on Series S & X.
 
Dark Cloud said:
I think Nate’s words hold a lot more water compared to a private video or whatever research people are doing.
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we are both H2-truthers it seems but, to be frank, nate never said he 100% believes in an H2 release. he simply said he heard rumors of an H2 release but was not well acquainted with the source and couldn't completely corroborate it.
 
pelusilla6 said:
He literally said he couldnt validate it from other sources lol
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rêverie said:
we are both H2-truthers it seems but, to be frank, nate never said he 100% believes in an H2 release. he simply said he heard rumors of an H2 release but was not well acquainted with the source and couldn't completely corroborate it.
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He’s been saying for longest he’s heard it’s coming H2. He’s telling us what he’s heard from sources. Nothing is truth until Nintendo says so, but he has a better track record than a private video.
 
Dark Cloud said:
I think Nate’s words hold a lot more water compared to a private video or whatever research people are doing.
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Dunno, i do think Eurogamer stating that Nintendo's indeed trying to launch earlier than H2 is pretty valid too, as it shouldn't fall under "private video" or whatever people research. ;]
 
ns156 said:
The problem is Nintendo has always relied on stores to stock their stuff as well. If they start abandoning them there is no going back, so they'd have to be pretty damn confident that they don't need physical store advertisement anymore.
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The physical model should continue existing, no? I don't think you can say they're abandoning them when the other two manufacturers are literally doing the same thing, Nintendo has the most incentive to present one of these to the market due to their own circumstances. Even then, the split between digital and physical PS5's for example is extremely leaning towards the later, so most users would just take it as another option.
 
Not having digital switch BC on the digital only version of Switch 2 whilst having full BC on the physical cartridge version of the system is a great way to make your consumers have no faith at all in your digital games going forward. It's just an ass backwards way of doing things. Digital only should be BC with digital games and the physical cartridge version should be BC with everything.
 
lemonfresh said:
im curious for digital only users how do you handle the storage space problems do you buy big sd cards or something?
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I mostly buy physical, have a big sd card, and I have issues with space. I dunno how digital only people do it I hate having to constantly delete and redownload stuff.
 
Still zero confirmation on anything to do with multiple SKUs. Nate just thinks it's an idea that could make sense so it shouldn't be dismissed on a logical basis. Whether you agree with that or not, there's no actual sourced info about it. On the subject of BC differing between the SKUs, in addition to there being no sourced info about that, the hosts' opinion is that it doesn't make logical sense.

Ray reconstruction as actual sourced info on the other hand is neat to hear. Not even just because of the technology itself, which will certainly help with ray tracing output, but because it means that Nintendo didn't ask for a hard-lock on NVN2 features, but has had Nvidia keep updating it as development progressed. RR didn't publicly release until two months ago, so if it's confirmed part of the Nintendo SDK, that's a good sign for the active and up-to-date development of SoC features.
 
darthdiablo said:
Pretty sure RR is a feature only available in DLSS 3.5 or up, so it has to be >= 3.5
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Yep.

The number after "DLSS" is essentially just a version number. This does mean that the version of DLSS on the Switch 2 could run Frame Gen in the future... however note that doesn't mean the hardware itself actually can use Frame Gen due to whatever technical limitations may exist.
 
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Scrawnton said:
Not having digital switch BC on the digital only version of Switch 2 whilst having full BC on the physical cartridge version of the system is a great way to make your consumers have no faith at all in your digital games going forward. It's just an ass backwards way of doing things. Digital only should be BC with digital games and the physical cartridge version should be BC with everything.
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There's so many reasons this would be a bad idea.

It would cause more damage to Nintendo than paying whatever money needed to have full BC would cost them.
 
Lancelot said:
The physical model should continue existing, no? I don't think you can say they're abandoning them when the other two manufacturers are literally doing the same thing, Nintendo has the most incentive to present one of these to the market due to their own circumstances. Even then, the split between digital and physical PS5's for example is extremely leaning towards the later, so most users would just take it as another option.
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Nintendo is the most traditional of the big three—they see themselves as a toy company, not an entertainment business. The physical model would continue existing right up until digital sales gobble the market (because obviously it is cheaper as an upfront system cost) and then they slowly abandon physical.

But it comes back to the point where we have to realise a cart reader is not costing Nintendo $50, so a digital only model is completely pointless unless it has a better screen or something.
 
darthdiablo said:
Pretty sure RR is a feature only available in DLSS 3.5 or up, so it has to be >= 3.5

Edit: yep.
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Whatever DLSS version was used at Gamescom is not interesting imo.

Drake is just like any other ampere SOC, just customized for lower power consumption. Which means it will support the latest dlss version minus framegen.
 
mjayer said:
Disclaimer: I do not want this to be true.

Why didn't anyone think of this before? It makes so much more sense of the original rumor, and MAY BE something Nintendo would do. At the very least we can bet they considered/are considering it.

Kill physical games entirely! But... why? Well if their next system is rocking a fast internal drive so they can get rid of those load speeds and enable different game design ala PS5, getting a game card to match is going to be pricey, and depending on the speed they want to hit, impossible? Heck current Switch game cards are already too pricey! So this leaves Nintendo with a choice. $70 (or more?) games? They tested the waters with Zelda, seemed to do okay. But they can't do that for all their games, can they? Also with NG development game sizes are going up up up which means even bigger game cards and even more $... going digital only solves it all. They can keep their pricing at $59 for big titles and $49 for smaller ones, WHILE making more profit per game. It's basically pure profit.

Which leads us to the 2 models and the confusing rumor. Actually both models have BC, digitally! Only one of them has a card slot for physical BC. That model is the "premium" model that also has probably a couple other features to distinguish it.
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The more cynical opinion is that the rumor about the digital SKU not having even digital BC is true.....because Nintendo's BC solution is to basically include Switch 1 hardware on board for their physical model. I mean, that's sorta how they've handled BC in the past, right? I don't think they've ever used complex translation layers before.
 
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