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Concernt said:
CEO's changed since the last system reveal. A LOT has changed.
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The ways things proceed at Nintendo haven't really.

The last time an actual hardware was revealed in a direct was back in 2014, when Iwata was still CEO. Fukushima doubled down on the secrecy and scheduling since then. Everything is now more organized and pre-planned.
 
RailWays said:
So if the release is planned for March, what timeframe are folks thinking for a potential reveal? Sometime in October?
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If it's releasing March (I kinda doubt it) then it'll have to be announced in October or November, yeah. If March is when the conference (if one is happening) is then I can see an announcement held until January.
 
In a nushell:

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Two key takeaways:

  • The tensor cores in Drake can generate a 4k output in less than 16.6 ms
  • Drake can draw 2.25 more pixels than Switch (900p -> 1080p) at half the time at most, making it at least 4.5 times more powerful at raw rasterization
    • edit: I had to correct, other users realized before me that I was using the wrong comparison. Drake draws 1.44 more pixels than Switch in this example -> (1600*900)/(1280*720)

The latter assumes that the BotW demo was running the same exact game code with no visual enhancements otherwise, so both values are absolute lower bounds.

Mind you, in his thought experiment two years ago, Alex suggested that the Switch could generate a 4k image in about 11 ms. His calculation is consistent with this latest leak.
 
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About a release window in March, the funny think is I feel like Nintendo could pull anything off and still be successful. I feel like their is no previous rules that apply to this launch.


They could announce it tomorrow and still have a last good holiday sales for the Switch.
They could wait until January for a 'surprise' release in March too, despite the unavoidable leaks.


The truth is their system really is mainstream, more than PS5/Xbox. Most people don't care about the leaks. And the ones that would buy the Switch to play Mario Wonder or Animal Crossing next couple months don't even consider the very existence of a more powerful successor.
And at the same time, unlike the Wii/WiiU transition, there are enough "core gamers" this time around to buy everything Nintendo would offer on Day 1.

It is exciting lol. Some sort of Shadow Drop especially would be unprecedented in this sector, it would be so incredible to witness. The media exposure would be unreal, people would go crazy.


To be a tiny little more realistic tho, I feel like March is a deadline for developers (that's where the chatter comes from) if they want their game to be part of the launch line up. That way Nintendo wouldn't reveal anything specific, just a professional timeframe.
So that could mean a January announcement for an April/May release, which would be still tight on schedule but more in line with general expectations.
 
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Bonejack said:
"Dear Mrs. Bonejack, for my birthday next year, Feb 2024, i don't want any gift from you. Just allow me to spend a lot of money a month later. Thanks, love you, you're the best."
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"Dear Mr Bonejack, quit playing videogames and go fix that godamn door that's been broken for at least a year. Also when you're at it, please mow the lawn and don't forget my Mother comes visiting us next week and will stay for a month, so be sure we have some bottles of wine cause you know how she is. Love you. "
 
theguy said:
the entrance to the shrines in TotK makes me think they were designed that way with no loading times in mind
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Totk was designed with no loading times and scroll wheel shoulder buttons in mind. we've found the gimmick
 
Herb Alpert said:
"Dear Mr Bonejack, quit playing videogames and go fix that godamn door that's been broken for at least a year. Also when you're at it, please moo the lawn and don't forget my Mother comes visiting us next week and will stay for a month, so be sure we have some bottles of wine cause you know how she is. Love you. "
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Okay, i cannot let this stand.

We don't have a lawn.
 
TotK with instant Ascend all the time and seamless shrines that work like the Tardis from Doctor Who.

Fuck.
 
Skittzo said:
March release makes way more sense than a reveal.

Why would Nintendo be telling tons of people when they plan to reveal it, 6 months before the fact?
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If they brought a dev kit to Gamescom, then nobody in that room expects the actual finished product to release in six months.
 
I guess March release could be a thing. Yes developers that are shown now likely need more time to get games ready for It but key developers probably had this thing for longer and those who it was shown to at Gamescom might just be C-tier developers, just like Mario Wonder.
 
Josh5890 said:
Ok tech nerds, if one of the big points of the BOTW demo was to showcase the "almost no loading times" aspect of the new hardware, does that rule out Nintendo allowing micro sd cards for expandable storage on the next system?
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"Clear the fridge" is finally back.
 
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Josh5890 said:
Ok tech nerds, if one of the big points of the BOTW demo was to showcase the "almost no loading times" aspect of the new hardware, does that rule out Nintendo allowing micro sd cards for expandable storage on the next system?
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no. loading would be inherently faster when you're not bottlenecked by the cpu
 
Serif said:
TotK with instant Ascend all the time and seamless shrines that work like the Tardis from Doctor Who.

Fuck.
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Shrines maybe. Though how Ascend works, there will always be the "loading screen". It's mostly for that we don't see Link clipping through the world or hiding a hard camera transition from one place to another. And maybe to give the illusion that time passes while Link is ascending. It's a feature :p
 
Josh5890 said:
Ok tech nerds, if one of the big points of the BOTW demo was to showcase the "almost no loading times" aspect of the new hardware, does that rule out Nintendo allowing micro sd cards for expandable storage on the next system?
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Well, technically you can use a spinning hard drive to expand your PS5 storage

You just also get to experience the load times of loading those games onto the SSD anytime you want to play them.
 
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Catching up here - where is the "March release" chatter coming from? I assume some of us just watched Nate's YT. I thought it meant there was chatter about March 2024 would be the "reveal", with release later in the year? March 2024 release seems pretty optimistic to me.
 
AlwaysOnDeck said:
If they brought a dev kit to Gamescom, then nobody in that room expects the actual finished product to release in six months.
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Why?

Most of these devs are likely aware of devkits existing previously. This is a specific tech demo they probably haven't seen yet.
 
Skittzo said:
We do have Alien Isolation on Switch already looking better than the PS4 version. Didn't rustle too many jimmies though.
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Good ports on Switch like Black Flag, Alien Isolation, Nier Automata, 13 Sentinels, etc. are ignored by people looking to make a point about underpowered Nintendo hardware. Consider the 'shock' from the Red Dead Redemption port running a 13 year old 360 game. Perceptions of Switch hardware have reached the point of being detached from reality.

The console warring won't stop. Once we get Digital Foundry videos with Switch 2 comparisons prepare for levels of scrutiny and nitpicking unseen as of yet.

Fortunately the next console is sufficiently powered for most people to not give a shit. It'll still annoy me because I care for some reason.

lexony said:
Shrines maybe. Though how Ascend works, there will always be the "loading screen". It's mostly for that we don't see Link clipping through the world and give the illusion that time passes while Link is acending. It's a feature :p
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This is true, though there is some loading even when Link goes through a thin platform because of the game calculating collision, I would like to see those completely eliminated.
 
Anything can happen, but March just seems like too soon for reasons that have been listed, and I say that as one of the folks who thought it would launch with TotK.

I can see March being discussed either as a reveal (AKA end of NDA for devs) or as a timeframe for devs to have games ready for launch a few months later. June launch would be nice, leaves plenty of room for other software in H2.
 
darthdiablo said:
Catching up here - where is the "March release" chatter coming from? I assume some of us just watched Nate's YT. I thought it meant there was chatter about March 2024 would be the "reveal", with release later in the year? March 2024 release seems pretty optimistic to me.
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I guess it's similarities with the OG Switch release.

But Nate was very clear he was thinking on reveal. I certainly don't see much of a rush on Nintendo's part to announce hardware this year.
 
qwerp said:
So its not necessarily faster flash memory, just a faster CPU. So seamless loading like Nate described wouldn't be as common in larger games made for switch 2
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well we know the internal storage is faster, as it's UFS. the question was about sd cards, and that would at least hit its peak now that the cpu isn't a bottleneck. now whether that's enough for "seemless" loading, is unknown. it could be, it could not be. can't rule out anything
 
Serif said:
This is true, though there is some loading even when Link goes through a thin platform because of the game calculating collision, I would like to see those completely eliminated.
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I believe those only happen when the camera could collide visually with the surface when playing the animation. Or to hide when the game needs to reposition Link to avoid him ending up too close or in a wall. Even for thin platforms. I don't think that those would go away, regardless of how fast the console would be.
 
Lots of good news from Nate there. March 2024 sure is interesting. Certainly will be keeping an eye on dates for announced titles at the Direct this week - and if MP4 doesn’t show up I think we’re getting it natively on Switch 2.
 
Mbolibombo said:
Is there a summary of what was said in the video?
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Someone already posted in another page but essentially

Zelda BOTW demo was running 4k/60fps with dlss
primary focus of demo was to show improved loading times, loading was essentially eliminated from the game
Nate has heard that DLSS 3.5 was installed/used in some capacity but might not have all the bells and whistles that the current one has
Matrix Demo was running with RT that looked even better than the one on PS5/XBSX
March 2024 was touted as an important date, but Nate is unsure if that date is a planned reveal or a release date
Nothing to add re BC
 
qwerp said:
I can't see a march release personally. Would Nintendo only now be showing off the system to more devs if it releases in just 6 months?
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Depends, could've been from small EU studios, or even EU indie devs.

I think it's safe to assume that all big players that would also provide some games for launch / launch window have their own dev kits.

You wouldn't need to show off target performance for those.
 
qwerp said:
I can't see a march release personally. Would Nintendo only now be showing off the system to more devs if it releases in just 6 months?
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Nobody is claiming that they just started showing it off. In fact multiple rumors have been ongoing that devkits have been out for a while.

I'm not sure where this idea that this is the initial showing has come from. This is just the first showing big enough to leak this much.
 
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Nate's quote, very interesting thanks for the podcast
 
KCannon said:
I guess it's similarities with the OG Switch release.

But Nate was very clear he was thinking on reveal. I certainly don't see much of a rush on Nintendo's part to announce hardware this year.
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There wouldn't be a rush, it's exactly the same timing as the original Switch, no rush.

If March is the date then they will do some announcement/teaser in the upcoming 2 months and a full presentation early next year. (Likely the friday before Nintendo Live)
 
I mean a March release would align with the rumor that Nintendo is "trying" to get this to be out sooner than later.
Though connecting such things is dangerous. Dangerously Speculative Muhahaha.
 
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