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StarTopic Future Nintendo Hardware & Technology Speculation & Discussion |ST| (Read the staff posts before commenting!)

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HankyPanky said:
going into wild speculation land for a moment someone found a potential easter egg in the Mario Movie which appears to read MK10SOON

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holy shit
 
Hermii said:
I would say it's probably a weird coincidence.

What does those numbers mean anyway?
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26-01-2021 could be production start of the renderings or this specific scene, January 26, 2021. The movie production started in September 2020.
But 221203? Don't know. The original release date of the movie was December 21, 2022 - so it could be theoretically December 3, 2022. But this is already far fetched. Best guess is this was the date the scene was touched in post production.
Anyway, the MK10 SOON is really strangely placed. Can be just a coincident, as I see also other numerics above the "obvious" line. But I have high doubts that Nintendo would share with Illumination any information about the development/existence of MK10, except they planned to make the scenes in the movie so similar to MK10 gameplay as possible. Could be of course possible, that Nintendo was confident during planning of the movie to release Redacted/Pro and MK10 as internally planned, but that would be a major rookie decision. So I doubt that anyone not working directly for Nintendo know about the status of MK10 (or 9). So this is most likely an insider, like something related to e.g. Michael Kannard, James Krenzke, Antoine Kinget or Serguei Kouchnerov.
 
As fun as the MK10 Easter Egg is, I don't think that the animators had any real information about Nintendo's upcoming releases outside of what is already known to the public. Letting everyone at Illumination know that a new Mario Kart was coming soon would be tantamount to ensuring that the game would leak long before the film was released.
 
Corim said:
As fun as the MK10 Easter Egg is, I don't think that the animators had any real information about Nintendo's upcoming releases outside of what is already known to the public. Letting everyone at Illumination know that a new Mario Kart was coming soon would be tantamount to ensuring that the game would leak long before the film was released.
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well not even animators but also modellers or whoever was handling the texturing for that asset. Usually those kind of easter eggs are more like inside jokes among the staff rather than being a straight up tease for a product in another medium. Obviously can't entirely write it off but it shouldn't be read as Nintendo purposefully teasing the next Mario Kart game like that.
 
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I doubt the MK10 thing is anything concrete. It’s just an easter egg and/or running joke of the animators. I doubt Miyamoto would tell them to put that in there, otherwise someone from Illumination would already have come out and said that it came directly from Nintendo
 
ziggyrivers said:
I doubt the MK10 thing is anything concrete. It’s just an easter egg and/or running joke of the animators. I doubt Miyamoto would tell them to put that in there, otherwise someone from Illumination would already have come out and said that it came directly from Nintendo
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Or they can't because contracts.
 
oldpuck said:
I'd also expect an announcement immediately before a shareholder meeting. Gives them an opportunity to respond to investors, while also being cagey. "We've said all we have to say about the matter at this time." Gives them maximum control of the narrative.
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I'm not sure whether they'll be that concerned about the shareholder meeting. Unless the board are worried about not being reelected, but I don't think that's particularly likely. Maybe if it just happens to line up around the shareholder meeting it's a bit of a bonus.

oldpuck said:
August had one game last year, Kirby's Dream Buffet, which was (IIRC) announced in a tweet in July. While I agree they need something, I don't think it has to be much to hold out till September, if that's what they wanted to do.
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I don't think they necessarily need to release games immediately after Pikmin, but they need to announce something, even if it's not releasing for a while. Someone saying to themselves "let's check out Nintendo's upcoming games" needs to be able to see more than a logo for Metroid Prime 4 (which probably isn't even the logo anymore, given development was restarted).
 
Thraktor said:
I'm not sure whether they'll be that concerned about the shareholder meeting. Unless the board are worried about not being reelected, but I don't think that's particularly likely. Maybe if it just happens to line up around the shareholder meeting it's a bit of a bonus.



I don't think they necessarily need to release games immediately after Pikmin, but they need to announce something, even if it's not releasing for a while. Someone saying to themselves "let's check out Nintendo's upcoming games" needs to be able to see more than a logo for Metroid Prime 4 (which probably isn't even the logo anymore, given development was restarted).
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Exactly. We need dates, time expectations. We need screenshots and trailers. Something we can make associations. We need hype. There is no hype right know. All we have is uncertainty. How can Nintendo sell 12-16 million units with existing software and dlc?
 
ziggyrivers said:
I doubt Nintendo would ask them to include a reference to later NDA them for said reference.
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Why? It's simple:
Nintendo: "put this in the movie, it's a reference for the next Mario Kart in development, but you can't talk about this in any way until the game release"

Mario Kart 10: 2024, 10 years after the release of MK8 on Wii U :)
 
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Mirev said:
Why? It's simple:
Nintendo: "put this in the movie, it's a reference for the next Mario Kart in development, but you can't talk about this in any way until the game release"
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Is it possible, sure is it probable?

Absolutely not. Coordination to use the movie for marketing a specific item would be overt, not covert. Otherwise you are spend g a stupid amount of hours to NDA folks and enforce said NDA for an Easter egg.

An Easter egg, that will sell zero extra copies of Mario Kart 10.
 
if it was genuinely a tease, they wouldn't even explain it to the artist. they'd just get a mandate to put the decal in a certain place with no explanation. the only NDA would be to not talk about the mandate
 
invwar said:
26-01-2021 could be production start of the renderings or this specific scene, January 26, 2021. The movie production started in September 2020.
But 221203? Don't know. The original release date of the movie was December 21, 2022 - so it could be theoretically December 3, 2022. But this is already far fetched. Best guess is this was the date the scene was touched in post production.
Anyway, the MK10 SOON is really strangely placed. Can be just a coincident, as I see also other numerics above the "obvious" line. But I have high doubts that Nintendo would share with Illumination any information about the development/existence of MK10, except they planned to make the scenes in the movie so similar to MK10 gameplay as possible. Could be of course possible, that Nintendo was confident during planning of the movie to release Redacted/Pro and MK10 as internally planned, but that would be a major rookie decision. So I doubt that anyone not working directly for Nintendo know about the status of MK10 (or 9). So this is most likely an insider, like something related to e.g. Michael Kannard, James Krenzke, Antoine Kinget or Serguei Kouchnerov.
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The Mario Movie team actually worked with the Mario Kart team when designing the karts, I believe it was mentioned in the movie's direct, if the Mario movie team knows about any future Nintendo games, Mario Kart is the most likely. Just playing devils advocate here though.
 
oldpuck said:
The Nitro Deck

Have mixed feelings about the way they're marketing this, but the concept is sort of neat. It's a complete controller that attaches to a switch, but doesn't use the joycon rails at all, instead connecting via the USB-C port to reduce latency. The implication seems to also be that it effectively is a dock. You plug the HDMI cable in, and stick out the kickstand, and it's in TV mode.
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Just so you know, there's already a controller like this (no HDMI out though). I bought one for TotK and IMO it's much better than Split Pad Pro, both to hold (feels like a single hardware rather than 3 things attached to each other) and aesthetically (thick controllers which doesn't stuck out of the tablet because of extra plastic behind the tablet).
 
Z0m3le said:
The Mario Movie team actually worked with the Mario Kart team when designing the karts, I believe it was mentioned in the movie's direct, if the Mario movie team knows about any future Nintendo games, Mario Kart is the most likely. Just playing devils advocate here though.
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Of course it is possible that they know about the existence of future Mario games. But this will be unlikely on the base of Miyamoto (or any other Nintendo employee) giving a presentation to the whole team on the WIP games to match them better. That someone actually confirmed them directly, that there will be a new Mario Kart (and it will be called Mario Kart 10) - maybe after a long karaoke session in Paris - is of course possible. But I highly doubt they have much more knowledge as that these games are in active development (which we just assume) and maybe the code name.
 
Intoxicate said:
I was thinking if Nintendo produces soo many OLED Switches they need software to sell them. If they were already phasing out, i.e. the successor is around the corner, then I would have kept the ZOLED production on a more limited level. Would be happy about a 23 release, but 24 feels more conclusive to me… just the empty H2 line-up…
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Even if Redacted releases tomorrow, they're still going to sell millions and millions of OLED Switches.
 
RennanNT said:
Just so you know, there's already a controller like this (no HDMI out though). I bought one for TotK and IMO it's much better than Split Pad Pro, both to hold (feels like a single hardware rather than 3 things attached to each other) and aesthetically (thick controllers which doesn't stuck out of the tablet because of extra plastic behind the tablet).
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Yeah, it makes me think of what's possible if Nintendo abandons Joy-Con rails. The fact that there is lower latency on USB rather than the custom interconnect is a little disappointing.
 
Erathix said:
This pretty much.

For those who can't understand the impatience, try to at least. Seriously, tech, particularly in the handheld space, is in a race and has been progressing rapidly in recent years. Even when the Switch 2 releases, I hate to admit, that console will also be outdated in comparison to very valid and viable contenders and yes I will point out ROG Ally. I've obsessed over videos of that thing and what it can do is very impressive that I am buying one for myself. Niche you could say but for each person who is aware and on-board with every Steam Deck or ROG Ally, that is another consumer who won't be as impressed by the Switch 2.

I will be excited for it of course, mainly for the exclusives as well, but I am not going to be blown away by it knowing what we know about it and how limited it will be for however many years Nintendo will drag out its cycle for before making another iteration (if they do, I hope they stick with Switch for the foreseeable future.) The original Switch tech is holding Nintendo back and yes, Tears was good but....I can see it run at 4K60 on emulation and it looks so damn impressive that I really wish that Nintendo just released it as a cross gen game and dropped the console already because it is compromised the way it is now and having played it, I can safely say it wasn't smooth for me, even BOTW felt better to play than what I had to put up with in Years. But seeing what it could've been only makes me long for more powerful tech without compromise now.

The Switch has grown long in the tooth for me and I do feel Nintendo has been too coy with the next console and felt too comfortable riding out the Switch, 2024 for me is too long to be riding this and only allows others to hop into this space more and more and progress it further. None may ever attain the mass appeal of the Switch (though if by some miracle one does manage to hit the zeitgeist I wonder how Nintendo would respond in that hypothetical scenario.) However, they do put the Switch's tech into perspective and make me realise even on Switch 2 that it will be behind even then in power and have to compromise with ports. Exclusives I do think will be absolutely exciting and less compromised which is the only excitement I feel alongside being able to play my backlog of Switch games on better hardware. But I have zero reason to invest in third party software on Switch like I did in the past now that I can play better versions with less compromise, which will still be present on Switch 2 given the specs and will only continue to grow every year going forwards.

So that is my impatience, I care a great deal about the capabilities of the hardware and have seen the Switch 1 struggle immensely over the last two years to the point where I don't want to play any titles until the successor releases so I can play them (BC is a certainty, don't doubt it at all) on something that will run and look better. I only played Tears because I love Zelda and couldn't hold back but I did stop playing after 20 or so hours because I did not want to finish it until the successor came out knowing how much better it could be.

Remakes and games will only get you so far dragging this out any further. Even Prime 4, which I am absolutely FREAKING EXCITED FOR will sadly be compromised in some way due to Switch 1 and I cannot play it until Switch 2 because I know it will be cross-gen. And that saddens me to know I have to force myself to hold out because the compromise bothers me too much. Tears cemented that to me. I mean, we don't even know that it will have QOL features like VRR which, having played with VRR, is a must have feature in 2023 for gaming and makes a huge difference when dealing with fluctuating frame-rates. People really are waiting on more powerful hardware, they want a successor and the longer they have to wait the more impatient the sentiment will be.

I've said it before and will say it again, Nintendo is going to be foolish not releasing this console this year and dragging this out till next year. Holiday 2024 especially is just too much, we can debate Spring 2024 but Holiday 2024 is...well it's something alright.

...But I'm getting ahead of myself because it's coming this year and obligatory #Team2023.
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holiday 2025/2026 would feel too late to release the Nintendo Switch sucessor, Shuntaro Furukawa is well aware the right time to launch the Switch sucessor, holiday 2024/early 2025 is problaby when Nintendo is aiming to launch it next hardware
 
oldpuck said:
Yeah, it makes me think of what's possible if Nintendo abandons Joy-Con rails. The fact that there is lower latency on USB rather than the custom interconnect is a little disappointing.
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I looked at the vendor website, and the exact verbiage is: “Direct connection via USB-C allows for a more responsive, lag-free gaming experience.” It reads to me that they are comparing “direct connection” to wireless connection (Bluetooth). Are there any evidences suggesting that the Joy-Con rail introduces latency? I wouldn’t put it past an unlicensed accessary vendor to exaggerate its product advantages.
 
"What do random animators know"

Little did you all know, on December 12th, 2022 Miyamoto was standing behind some of the animators at their computers, smoking a cigarette, when he blurted out "add 'Mario Kart 10 soon'. Right there" and he took over one of their computers, clicking and dragging and typing ferociously in a haze of smoke while the dumbfounded animators watched in confusion
 
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oldpuck said:
Yeah, it makes me think of what's possible if Nintendo abandons Joy-Con rails. The fact that there is lower latency on USB rather than the custom interconnect is a little disappointing.
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There isn't. Joy-Con rails are USB. Just not very "Universal".
 
I think the MK10S00N thing might've just been someone in the animation/CGI department having some fun. I don't think it's impossible they could've just snuck that in for funsies. If anything else, it's probably just a very funny coincidence. But regardless... We DO want MK10 soon!
 
Simbinha said:
I think the MK10S00N thing might've just been someone in the animation/CGI department having some fun. I don't think it's impossible they could've just snuck that in for funsies. If anything else, it's probably just a very funny coincidence. But regardless... We DO want MK10 soon!
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Exactly what I think as well
 
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