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https://mynintendonews.com/2023/06/...page-today-generally-precedes-a-presentation/My guess: Next week.
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https://mynintendonews.com/2023/06/...page-today-generally-precedes-a-presentation/My guess: Next week.
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18 months is a lot, Switch has started to feel dated for quite some time already (to me at least) and I still consider the OLED announcement as a betrayal because we deserved better.
So yea at this point, I'm waiting mostly for a reveal no matter when this releases, but I'm always a bit triggered when I see someone claim or imply that a holiday 2024 would be "fine"
Also it seems the Japanese Nintendo Direct page has been updated, which tends to precede a Direct.
If that's indeed a "classic" Direct it probably won't involve hardware but well.
You're right, I exaggerated that on purpose but that's just another way to tell I was really disappointed the moment they revealed the OLED.I understand that the console is showing its age, and I'll be the first to be delighted when the next one comes out. However, I don't understand what betrayal you're talking about. Nintendo, which is a company and not our friend, has never promised anything on this subject. As for "deserving better", once again this personalizes a relationship that doesn't need to be personalized in my opinion.
A consumer either buys stuff or doesn't buy stuff, it's not an emotional relationship. And commercially, to be "betrayed" not by a console that exists and offers TOTK on its end of life but by something that doesn't exist yet is strange to me.
Tuesday?https://mynintendonews.com/2023/06/...page-today-generally-precedes-a-presentation/
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It's not complicated, especially for docked gamers and especially for docked gamers who also play on other platforms, Switch is extremely outdated and if we have to wait another 18 months It'll be like playing on something from the dark ages.
Wasnt there mentioned of the NA direct page updating or was it only referring to the japanese one?18 months is a lot, Switch has started to feel dated for quite some time already (to me at least) and I still consider the OLED announcement as a betrayal because we deserved better.
So yea at this point, I'm waiting mostly for a reveal no matter when this releases, but I'm always a bit triggered when I see someone claim or imply that a holiday 2024 would be "fine"
Also it seems the Japanese Nintendo Direct page has been updated, which tends to precede a Direct.
If that's indeed a "classic" Direct it probably won't involve hardware but well.
If you also play on other platforms, problem solved. You can find great games on other great platforms that are more in line with what you want or your standards. Playing on other platforms is just one reason to be less impatient.It's not complicated, especially for docked gamers and especially for docked gamers who also play on other platforms, Switch is extremely outdated and if we have to wait another 18 months It'll be like playing on something from the dark ages.
But there's nothing wrong with buying an ROG Ally if it suits you better and if you can afford it. It's not the same positioning or the same price, but if it's a console that more closely matches what you want, that's fine. I totally understand that you can like Nintendo games AND want something better. I can't wait to see an open-world Zelda running at 4K/60FPS. But I didn't buy my Switch for that, just as if I bought a Rogue Ally it wouldn't be for its affordability or to play Zelda.This pretty much.
For those who can't understand the impatience, try to at least. Seriously, tech, particularly in the handheld space, is in a race and has been progressing rapidly in recent years. Even when the Switch 2 releases, I hate to admit, that console will also be outdated in comparison to very valid and viable contenders and yes I will point out ROG Ally. I've obsessed over videos of that thing and what it can do is very impressive that I am buying one for myself. Niche you could say but for each person who is aware and on-board with every Steam Deck or ROG Ally, that is another consumer who won't be as impressed by the Switch 2.
I will be excited for it of course, mainly for the exclusives as well, but I am not going to be blown away by it knowing what we know about it and how limited it will be for however many years Nintendo will drag out its cycle for before making another iteration (if they do, I hope they stick with Switch for the foreseeable future.) The original Switch tech is holding Nintendo back and yes, Tears was good but....I can see it run at 4K60 on emulation and it looks so damn impressive that I really wish that Nintendo just released it as a cross gen game and dropped the console already because it is compromised the way it is now and having played it, I can safely say it wasn't smooth for me, even BOTW felt better to play than what I had to put up with in Years. But seeing what it could've been only makes me long for more powerful tech without compromise now.
The Switch has grown long in the tooth for me and I do feel Nintendo has been too coy with the next console and felt too comfortable riding out the Switch, 2024 for me is too long to be riding this and only allows others to hop into this space more and more and progress it further. None may ever attain the mass appeal of the Switch (though if by some miracle one does manage to hit the zeitgeist I wonder how Nintendo would respond in that hypothetical scenario.) However, they do put the Switch's tech into perspective and make me realise even on Switch 2 that it will be behind even then in power and have to compromise with ports. Exclusives I do think will be absolutely exciting and less compromised which is the only excitement I feel alongside being able to play my backlog of Switch games on better hardware. But I have zero reason to invest in third party software on Switch like I did in the past now that I can play better versions with less compromise, which will still be present on Switch 2 given the specs and will only continue to grow every year going forwards.
So that is my impatience, I care a great deal about the capabilities of the hardware and have seen the Switch 1 struggle immensely over the last two years to the point where I don't want to play any titles until the successor releases so I can play them (BC is a certainty, don't doubt it at all) on something that will run and look better. I only played Tears because I love Zelda and couldn't hold back but I did stop playing after 20 or so hours because I did not want to finish it until the successor came out knowing how much better it could be.
Remakes and games will only get you so far dragging this out any further. Even Prime 4, which I am absolutely FREAKING EXCITED FOR will sadly be compromised in some way due to Switch 1 and I cannot play it until Switch 2 because I know it will be cross-gen. And that saddens me to know I have to force myself to hold out because the compromise bothers me too much. Tears cemented that to me. I mean, we don't even know that it will have QOL features like VRR which, having played with VRR, is a must have feature in 2023 for gaming and makes a huge difference when dealing with fluctuating frame-rates. People really are waiting on more powerful hardware, they want a successor and the longer they have to wait the more impatient the sentiment will be.
I've said it before and will say it again, Nintendo is going to be foolish not releasing this console this year and dragging this out till next year. Holiday 2024 especially is just too much, we can debate Spring 2024 but Holiday 2024 is...well it's something alright.
...But I'm getting ahead of myself because it's coming this year and obligatory #Team2023.
Nope, the majority of my absolute favourite games are Nintendo games, I love playing Ghost of Tsushima on PS5 in 4K and the amazing visuals but I'd swap it for TotK on Switch 2 in a heartbeat.If you also play on other platforms, problem solved. You can find great games on other great platforms that are more in line with what you want or your standards. Playing on other platforms is just one reason to be less impatient.
This pretty much.
For those who can't understand the impatience, try to at least. Seriously, tech, particularly in the handheld space, is in a race and has been progressing rapidly in recent years. Even when the Switch 2 releases, I hate to admit, that console will also be outdated in comparison to very valid and viable contenders and yes I will point out ROG Ally. I've obsessed over videos of that thing and what it can do is very impressive that I am buying one for myself. Niche you could say but for each person who is aware and on-board with every Steam Deck or ROG Ally, that is another consumer who won't be as impressed by the Switch 2.
I will be excited for it of course, mainly for the exclusives as well, but I am not going to be blown away by it knowing what we know about it and how limited it will be for however many years Nintendo will drag out its cycle for before making another iteration (if they do, I hope they stick with Switch for the foreseeable future.) The original Switch tech is holding Nintendo back and yes, Tears was good but....I can see it run at 4K60 on emulation and it looks so damn impressive that I really wish that Nintendo just released it as a cross gen game and dropped the console already because it is compromised the way it is now and having played it, I can safely say it wasn't smooth for me, even BOTW felt better to play than what I had to put up with in Years. But seeing what it could've been only makes me long for more powerful tech without compromise now.
The Switch has grown long in the tooth for me and I do feel Nintendo has been too coy with the next console and felt too comfortable riding out the Switch, 2024 for me is too long to be riding this and only allows others to hop into this space more and more and progress it further. None may ever attain the mass appeal of the Switch (though if by some miracle one does manage to hit the zeitgeist I wonder how Nintendo would respond in that hypothetical scenario.) However, they do put the Switch's tech into perspective and make me realise even on Switch 2 that it will be behind even then in power and have to compromise with ports. Exclusives I do think will be absolutely exciting and less compromised which is the only excitement I feel alongside being able to play my backlog of Switch games on better hardware. But I have zero reason to invest in third party software on Switch like I did in the past now that I can play better versions with less compromise, which will still be present on Switch 2 given the specs and will only continue to grow every year going forwards.
So that is my impatience, I care a great deal about the capabilities of the hardware and have seen the Switch 1 struggle immensely over the last two years to the point where I don't want to play any titles until the successor releases so I can play them (BC is a certainty, don't doubt it at all) on something that will run and look better. I only played Tears because I love Zelda and couldn't hold back but I did stop playing after 20 or so hours because I did not want to finish it until the successor came out knowing how much better it could be.
Remakes and games will only get you so far dragging this out any further. Even Prime 4, which I am absolutely FREAKING EXCITED FOR will sadly be compromised in some way due to Switch 1 and I cannot play it until Switch 2 because I know it will be cross-gen. And that saddens me to know I have to force myself to hold out because the compromise bothers me too much. Tears cemented that to me. I mean, we don't even know that it will have QOL features like VRR which, having played with VRR, is a must have feature in 2023 for gaming and makes a huge difference when dealing with fluctuating frame-rates. People really are waiting on more powerful hardware, they want a successor and the longer they have to wait the more impatient the sentiment will be.
I've said it before and will say it again, Nintendo is going to be foolish not releasing this console this year and dragging this out till next year. Holiday 2024 especially is just too much, we can debate Spring 2024 but Holiday 2024 is...well it's something alright.
...But I'm getting ahead of myself because it's coming this year and obligatory #Team2023.
That's why I'm waiting on Switch 2 and haven't bought ToTK despite BOTW being my GOAT.Woth 150+ hours on ToTK (being sick has its perks), i'm quite disapointed with how it runs. Yeah, it doesnt look all that fancy, but fighting multiple enemies, setting the grass on fire, everything starts to lag. Not fun.
So i'm playing it with switch now, and maybe, maybe, a second run with switch 2. But this is a big maybe, since ive played it, i need some good reasons to play it from the start again.
And while im having a ton of fun, i have to admit, playing totk first time with switch 2 would probably be more fun, even of the only thing we get is that it runs 30/60fps constantly without any dips.
Yeah, same. I just meant that “release” in the context of third party working on middleware could mean anything from “release to internal customers” (ie Nintendo) or “release to external customer” which could be anything from developers to consumers.I haven't seen a full translation of the job listing yet but unless we have the full context the idea that Nintendo is their first customer may not exactly be relevant to the "post-release defect" part depending on what exactly they're referring to the release of.
Basically, what I mean is we need more context and an accurate translation before we can really figure out what product it's referring to releasing.
Grubb’s statements, at least, have been taken wildly out of context.A Partner Showcase IS a Direct. If they know it's a Direct I'd expect they'd say Direct. Seems like an odd thing for them to split hairs about, no?
It's not confirmation bias to point to things and say "these seem connected, could this mean?".
The Switch 2 will come out eventually. That's why I wasn't talking about wanting new hardware, I was talking about impatience. That doesn't stop me from thinking that BOTW or TOTK will be a delight when they inevitably come out on better hardware.Nope, the majority of my absolute favourite games are Nintendo games, I love playing Ghost of Tsushima on PS5 in 4K and the amazing visuals but I'd swap it for TotK on Switch 2 in a heartbeat.
And 7 years after release and 3 years after talk of Switch Pro, I don't think it's impatience to be fed up waiting.The Switch 2 will come out eventually. That's why I wasn't talking about wanting new hardware, I was talking about impatience. That doesn't stop me from thinking that BOTW or TOTK will be a delight when they inevitably come out on better hardware.
Grubb’s statements, at least, have been taken wildly out of context.
Grubb was asked if he thought there would be a Direct in June, he says he’s hearing the first rumblings of an event in July, but he doesn’t know if it’s a mini or a partner showcase or what.
It’s 100% clear that Grubb is talking about a Direct. And as for why anyone would be slightly cagey, it’s because last year a lot of folks heard about the June Direct, said it was coming and when it was a partner showcase, they got lambasted for being “wrong.” They know it’s a Direct formatted presentation, they don’t know which type, and since Nintendo changed it up last year, they don’t want the backlash.
https://mynintendonews.com/2023/06/...page-today-generally-precedes-a-presentation/
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Nintendo has never said anything publicly about a Switch Pro. So here we are blaming them for our own expectations.And 7 years after release and 3 years after talk of Switch Pro, I don't think it's impatience to be fed up waiting.
Cart before the horse the both of ye.
Who's blaming anyone?Nintendo has never said anything publicly about a Switch Pro. So here we are blaming them for our own expectations.
So you're saying we need to up the stakes?* Hidden text: cannot be quoted. *
So you're saying we need to up the stakes?
First off, this is deeply in the weeds, this is all hypothetical, edge-case stuff I'm mostly interested for technical reasons. The question of "1080p screen or not" is a lot about preference on the consumers end, and design goals on Nintendo's in. I'm not arguing for a "correct" answer.
But, second, the DLSS curves have never made sense to me, and I wanna wave this flag again. We know the curves go weird at the extreme ends, and we're talking about a device sitting well past the extreme end of the documented numbers. So understanding why the curves go all wonky is useful for predicting what the device is capable of.
The data in the DLSS programming guide is useful for integrators, but I think it's less useful for us. The clue is in the RTX 2080 (laptop) numbers. They skew wildly out of sync with the rest. The obvious answer to why - well, it's running on a laptop, different CPU/RAM set up etcetera. Which, unfortunately, means we can't trust that Nvidia took any more care in ensuring the base system for the rest of the numbers is identical.
Which means we can't really compare these numbers across cards to see how DLSS would behave at different levels of GPU power. But we can compare intra-card, and we see a pretty clear linear relationship with output resolution, which, yay! That's what we would expect. Solid.
However, the "curves" don't intersect the Y axis at 0. Not super surprising. The algorithm might be O on paper, but all software has some overhead. And that's what I'm (in this overwritten way) trying to get at. On paper, the overhead seems to scale with TFLOPS, but we also know Nvidia didn't use a consistent base system, so it could easily be explained away by the CPU getting better and better across the various test systems, or memory size/bandwidth increasing in cards as performance does.
If this overhead is GPU bound, and scales with TFLOPS, then in handheld mode we should expect overhead to be a larger chunk of frametime, leaving less time for upscaling. This matches my initial, naive number crunching, where DLSS tends to fall apart at the bottom of the curve.
If this overhead is CPU bound, then we're in great shape, because we're not expecting CPU to change between modes. This would explain models that expect DLSS to be much much slower in TV mode than handheld mode - not because those models were correct, but because they were skewed by a non-constant overhead that wasn't properly accounted for.
If this overhead is bound by memory in some way, then it's a little up in the air what will happen, as it's unclear if Nintendo would choose to change the memory clock between the two modes for battery life purposes.
It's impossible to create "perfect scaling" between handheld and TV modes, there will always be games that prefer one environment over the other. Just scaling the GPU and screen tends to favor handheld mode slightly. More elaborate power saving strategies (altering storage or memory bandwidth) tends to favor TV mode. This isn't just true for DLSS, it's true for software as a whole. But DLSS remains a less-well-understood factor in the whole scheme.
Side note: this also potentially shows an area where Nvidia really could tune DLSS for the Switch.
Yeah, I've stated in the past that I expect a 1080p screen, and personally would love a 1080p screen if the performance in handheld mode is right. Where I bristle is the idea that this is a clear win in IQ regardless of perf, which it isn't.
I understand the decision, and that for many players a 1080p screen for Nintendo games with bad image quality for 3rd party games is the preferred compromise. Where I get admittedly tetchy is being told by those players that the compromise doesn't exist.
I see what you're getting at, but I think you're misstating what I'm trying to say. My assertion is "as much as possible games should look equally good in both docked and handheld play, without significant extra work." The PS4 port example is just to demonstrate how a 1080p screen on a 1.3 TFLOPS device would fail that test. The industry has coalesced around a rough performance standard for "1080p content" which is built around PBR rendering, the last gen consoles, and 2018-2019 graphics cards. There is a reason that the Steam Deck also does not have a 1080p screen.
In docked mode, you can run your existing 1080p content, and it will look great, because 1080p content scales perfectly on a 4k screen and REDACTED has more than enough power for the industry's de-facto 1080p standard. You can take that extra power, use it to run DLSS, and now you have a 4k upscaled image. And if you have next gen content, you can target sub-1080p and upscale to 1080p, which again will at least integer scale on the 4k screen.
In 1080p handheld, you don't have enough power to run your 1080p content, so you need to make image sacrifices, possibly running 720p and getting scaling artifacts. You can bump that down to 540p and use DLSS to get back to where you started, resolution and settings wise. And if you have a miracle port, you're using something like ultra-performance mode DLSS, or starting from a base resolution sub 540p and scaling up to 720p, adding scaling artifacts on top.
The only games which would benefit from such an arrangement are games which are bespoke to the console and can afford to really dial in the two modes almost as separate projects (Nintendo games) and games which don't push the graphics sufficiently hard to have trouble running at native res in handheld mode. This upsets both the engineer and the gamer in me.
That doesn't mean it's a wrong decision for Nintendo, or that there won't be players who prefer it - I think there is a decent chunk of folks who would love a higher res game UI even if the visuals were slightly muddier. It also wouldn't be the first time Nintendo made a decision about a handheld screen that made backward compatible games look like ass
But I'll take the backwards compat shittiness! I'll take the 1080p screen! Just... don't do it for the marketing number, give me the performance that comes along with it.
Tensor Tflops 1080p ms 1440p ms 2160p ms
T239 Portable 6.76 4.13 7.26 16.20
T239 Docked 13.52 2.11 3.68 8.15
GB/s 1080p ms 1440p ms 2160p ms
T239 Portable 43 3.73 6.55 14.60
T239 Docked 77 2.12 3.70 8.20
You have to remember that this entire place is for Nintendo enthusiast. It can be frustrating and grating to be in a place for people to come together and be excited for Nintendo products, to have others read their excitement and "rain on their parade".Yeah, same. I just meant that “release” in the context of third party working on middleware could mean anything from “release to internal customers” (ie Nintendo) or “release to external customer” which could be anything from developers to consumers.
Grubb’s statements, at least, have been taken wildly out of context.
Grubb was asked if he thought there would be a Direct in June, he says he’s hearing the first rumblings of an event in July, but he doesn’t know if it’s a mini or a partner showcase or what.
It’s 100% clear that Grubb is talking about a Direct. And as for why anyone would be slightly cagey, it’s because last year a lot of folks heard about the June Direct, said it was coming and when it was a partner showcase, they got lambasted for being “wrong.” They know it’s a Direct formatted presentation, they don’t know which type, and since Nintendo changed it up last year, they don’t want the backlash.
Sure, it’s confirmation bias. Confirmation bias doesn’t mean your wrong Confirmation bias is just that - a bias, a tendency, to see data in a way that matches a pre-existing belief. That can include "these things seem connected."
You've been pretty clear in the past that you prefer optimism, because it's more fun. That's great. Other folks prefer pessimism, because it mitigates disappointment. That's also great. And there are a class of people who are more interested in the detective game, or playing Fantasy Console Designer.
Not speaking to you directly, but to the thread - other people's optimism/pessimism isn't a threat to yours. We can all have different standards to judge the same data by.
I don't know anyone who doesn't expect a new console here. We all do. The impatience I said I didn't understand, which doesn't include any moral judgment on my part, is about worrying more about the next hardware than the next games.Who's blaming anyone?
The current conversation is about some people not understanding others' impatience.
Expecting a new console after 7 years is hardly unreasonable anyway.
how so?Cart before the horse the both of ye.
Also it seems the Japanese Nintendo Direct page has been updated, which tends to precede a Direct.
If that's indeed a "classic" Direct it probably won't involve hardware but well.
How so?Cart before the horse the both of ye.
I have both benefited from PS4-PS5 upgrades and played the definitive versions of games and saw games being upgraded and thought "Wish I was playing it for the first time now". I know that the relatively bad image quality and other technical issues will annoy me and "knowing" that within 18 month (not confirmed of course) I'll likely be able to play a masterpiece at a resolution that demonstrates it's beautiful art makes it a no-brainer. I'm happy to wait to have a better experience.I don't know anyone who doesn't expect a new console here. We all do. The impatience I said I didn't understand, which doesn't include any moral judgment on my part, is about worrying more about the next hardware than the next games.
I find it interesting what you say about not wanting to play TOTK at the moment for technical reasons. That's exactly what I don't understand. And when I say I don't understand, that doesn't mean I disagree, it just means I sincerely don't understand.
No, I totally get it! My point is that we are not all Nintendo fans in the same way, and that's worth acknowledging. This thread gets asked a lot "what we think." And I think it's best when we don't think any one thing.Sorry, I am responding to the idea you are presenting, more than yourself. I enjoy your posts, and this one was no different, just wanted to remind everyone reading, that we are here because we are Nintendo fans.
Or Thursday?Tuesday?
Forget years or months, let's get excited about days!Directs usually happens around Thursday
for the greater goodNo they'll be no one left to post if you do
if Drake release is being determined now, then we aren't looking at a release until 3+ years from now. that doesn't correlate to anything we've seen unless all that's been tossed asideWith soo many ZOLED Switches on the shelves I still think it’s too early for the successor. But that empty H2 is giving me hope for the June Direct.
With soo many ZOLED Switches on the shelves I still think it’s too early for the successor.
Some of us barely think at all.No, I totally get it! My point is that we are not all Nintendo fans in the same way, and that's worth acknowledging. This thread gets asked a lot "what we think." And I think it's best when we don't think any one thing.
There’s something called “phase out”, which is what the OLED is doing to the OG Switch, and what the Switch 2 will do with the OG Switch lineup: phase it outWith soo many ZOLED Switches on the shelves I still think it’s too early for the successor. But that empty H2 is giving me hope for the June Direct.
FFS @Thraktor put some effort into your posts.
While it could be confirmation bias, I do think these supposed connections are worth entertaining. Yes, Grubb's statement most likely points to a Direct, but it's still odd for a Direct to be held in July, especially with Pikmin 4 on the horizon. We've talked a lot on here about overshadowing other games with Directs and Pikmin could potentially suffer in this case, as it is more niche title compared to Zelda. Of course, it could be a Pikmin Direct, which I'd argue is even more likely.
But, let's entertain the idea that we may get a Switch 2 Digital Event in July, with an announcement this month and a Pikmin Direct somewhere in between. While the Pikmin Direct would be sandwiched between two major events, it'd still get some good mind share with it being month away, leading it to hopefully sell within expectations.
This is just what I believe could happen. I'm just trying to reconcile why Nintendo would hold some kind of presentation in July, when their shareholders meeting is this month. I could be overthinking this, but when your first half is stacked to the brim with games that could have been held back for the second half where it would help with declining hardware sales even a little bit, I can't help but wonder what Nintendo is planning.
Tears just dropped. Nintendo wants us to breathe a little before dropping more megatons coming to switch this yearIf they had games they'd have shown them by now... So the Direct page being updated... Gives me great hope... For a new console generation.
that sucks......
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Is that person even credible?
No, but I think the Wario guy put some on this post on Resetera, so….No
That person has no previous track
I’ll put it this way: it’s an open world game and replaying that again is not a thing I do. Open world games have one chance to wow me because I know myself enough that if I play it again I’ll drop it only 20% of the way through.I don't know anyone who doesn't expect a new console here. We all do. The impatience I said I didn't understand, which doesn't include any moral judgment on my part, is about worrying more about the next hardware than the next games.
I find it interesting what you say about not wanting to play TOTK at the moment for technical reasons. That's exactly what I don't understand. And when I say I don't understand, that doesn't mean I disagree, it just means I sincerely don't understand.
I totally understand. The lifespan of these games is so long, and you get so invested in them, that it's good to move on to something else afterwards. This is something I also felt with Mario Odyssey, even though I regularly replay 3D World, for example, with great pleasure.I’ll put it this way: it’s an open world game and replaying that again is not a thing I do. Open world games have one chance to wow me because I know myself enough that if I play it again I’ll drop it only 20% of the way through.
I still remember them a lot a year or even 2 years later especially if they are unique and leave a positive impression, so the next possible time I’d feel the itch to actually replay them is not anytime soon. Years later maybe.
I put a lot of time into BOTW, and while the game is amazing, I have no desire whatsoever to return to it right now despite it being years after I played it. Not even for a replay. It left a positive impression and it’s still fresh to where I remember the feeling.
So, if I want to give TOTK justice, I’ll just wait for what would end up being the shorter timeframe knowing myself.
I have hope... We can have both console. And games.Tears just dropped. Nintendo wants us to breathe a little before dropping more megatons coming to switch this year
I think my biggest issue is for as much talk of change Nintendo has done the last 10 years … it’s frustrating to see them not do anything different.I think the frustration comes from fans who are hyper aware of the fact that nintendo risks a repeat of a WiiU/3DS flop if they learned the wrong lessons from the switch's success just like how they learned the wrong lessons from the Wii's success and NDS's success.