Nintendo is explicitly mentioned in the Nvidia leak, so that’s unlikely.Shield TV 2 maybe?
Nintendo is explicitly mentioned in the Nvidia leak, so that’s unlikely.Shield TV 2 maybe?
I'm saying that we have never been able to put together a story that explained everything we had heard, and that one possibility we considered is that Drake and 2023 were not the same thing, and that we should consider setting our expectations tempered so we weren't disappointed by whatever was coming when it wasn't Drake.I'm confused again, what conclusion are you drawing from all of this?
Of course, under NVN2 they are, the SoC itself can be in anything I presume, just like the TX1 and the original Shield TV.Nintendo is explicitly mentioned in the Nvidia leak, so that’s unlikely.
Absolutely. That's why (given what we knew of the specs) even in the scenario most thought it would be initially marketed as a revision and eventually take over as the successor anyway. "Third pillar" vibes.Let's be honest, the mid gen refresh after 6 years was weird.
Now it’s delayed.aaanyway, I'll get out of your hair now everybody
glad this story broke when it did, a few weeks later and I would've been much more upset
have fun, don't kill each other, Pikmin 4 is real
Personally I think cancellation of something that is not Drake that was supposed to launch in 2023 is actually a much, much better outcome than it launching.I'm saying that we have never been able to put together a story that explained everything we had heard, and that one possibility we considered is that Drake and 2023 were not the same thing, and that we should consider setting our expectations tempered so we weren't disappointed by whatever was coming when it wasn't Drake.
Cancellation of the 2023 device is obviously much much more disappointing than its specs falling under Drake, and I'm sorry for anyone who feels jerked around or upset, but this was not a totally unforeseen possibility. I, for better or worse, feel somewhat responsible for the expectation setting in the thread, and am sorry for anything who feels jerked around. And maybe am, at the same time, kinda upset at the level of toxicity that comes from folks who were here when we openly discussed the chance a situation like this might be occurring.
That’s for NVN2, nvidia also seems to have plans for T239.Nintendo is explicitly mentioned in the Nvidia leak, so that’s unlikely.
It doesn't work that way that you can just duct-tape some tensor cores on to Maxwell and magically have dlss. It has to be Turing at least.Literally, we were talking about this exact scenario in May as a way to explain how the damn Drake was so big
I'm sorry for folks who feel deeply let down. I'm sorry for folks who feel mislead, especially since I think some of them felt mislead by me (and I know some of my posts have been used for hoax leaks in the past).
I have spent the majority of my time in this thread trying to keep expectations in check and open to alternate possibilities, while keeping the thread data oriented. I think a lot of ya'll are smart and great, and I still enjoy playing the tech analysis game with ya'll. But this pile on is... a lot. Hopefully the temperature comes down.
I don't think bringing up possibilities was ever the problem. the problem is that NateDrake being contradictory which lead to confusion. if him or anyone else said that hardware in question was drake, we wouldn't be in this situation. the lack of clarity is what's causing this, not people railing against others who said cancellation was possibleI'm saying that we have never been able to put together a story that explained everything we had heard, and that one possibility we considered is that Drake and 2023 were not the same thing, and that we should consider setting our expectations tempered so we weren't disappointed by whatever was coming when it wasn't Drake.
Cancellation of the 2023 device is obviously much much more disappointing than its specs falling under Drake, and I'm sorry for anyone who feels jerked around or upset, but this was not a totally unforeseen possibility. I, for better or worse, feel somewhat responsible for the expectation setting in the thread, and am sorry for anything who feels jerked around. And maybe am, at the same time, kinda upset at the level of toxicity that comes from folks who were here when we openly discussed the chance a situation like this might be occurring.
Huh?Just think of how cool the ‘real’ Switch 2 will be.
The hype starts right here:
Series S power
DLSS 4.0
Higher Res screen (1080p min)
Likely move on from the OG joy con
I feel like there's gonna be a lot of Steam Decks sold in Japan in the next 12 months
lol, noI feel like there's gonna be a lot of Steam Decks sold in Japan in the next 12 months
I feel like there's gonna be a lot of Steam Decks sold in Japan in the next 12 months
that's the spirit!The factory worker said a new switch model was beginning production in January, and I still believe in that info. We won't have to wait long to see if that information is accurate.
Yeah, people are overreacting, this hardware always seemed like a Switch 2, not a mid-gen refresh.So the only thing that was meaningfully gleaned from the DF announcement was:
"It's not a mid-gen refresh. i.e. It's not a Switch Pro."
From what I gather:
-Drake is still in the cards
-Drake is taped out
-Based on Linux tests, Drake has higher clocks than expected,or at least isn't feasable in an 8nm node without being really big
-It is no longer being marketed as a mid-gen refresh (or if there were any plans, it is now solidly being marketed as a successor)
-DF's announcement isn't an indicator of a delay and no new dates are being confirmed.
Also what's with all the green text?
I mean I know they aren't Nintendo, and they are definitely "enthusiast hardware" but when Square is promoting their FFVII Remake PC release with Steam Deck compatibility and PC Gaming growing fast in Japan - I could see it doing well to an extent with the handheld hardcore (not outselling Switch ofc)Have you seen the price of the Steam Deck in Japan?
Hint: You can buy an OLED Switch AND a Switch Lite for the price of the cheapest Deck.
Yeah, if even the concept of the new console is unclear yet to Nate, then we can safely say it's still in the oven at a fundamental level and won't come out next year.
But putting Nate aside, I think DF's reaction today is even more telling. They simply don't have anything to communicate about the new Switch and that's a telltale sign that the device isn't anywhere ready. Hell, they even mentioned Nintendo being probably nervous (timestamp : 53:15). Things in the background might not go as smoothly as I have imagined.
Huh?
We still know what the chip is, that hasn't changed.
I feel like a lot of you guys are not properly reading the new developments.
I would argue the information we have about Drake, including its timeline, is far, far more reliable than anything Nate or DF has said.We think we know but it’s not a guarantee.
The timeline of drake makes no sense for a console releasing maybe 2 years from now. Hell, in a late 2024 release scenario this SoC could even end up less impressive than the OG Switch was in 2017 considering other advancing mobile tech.
The Series will literally outsell the Steam deck in Japan, be so fr with the expectationsI feel like there's gonna be a lot of Steam Decks sold in Japan in the next 12 months
Imagining is nice, but why do people think Nintendo will move on from what was leaked? I think people will get exactly what was leaked, only in 2024 or 2025. Or do people think Nvidia will now work on NVN3?Just think of how cool the ‘real’ Switch 2 will be.
The hype starts right here:
Series S power
DLSS 4.0
Higher Res screen (1080p min)
Likely move on from the OG joy con
The worst timeline is upon us.People are not mentioning one interesting thing as we now know that it almost certainly isn't mid gen refresh - The device itself could be a somewhat different form factor as it's true successor, the Joy-Con can actually be different and don't need to be physically compatible with the current Switch. Of course that this successor will be BC and you can probably still connent current Joy-Cons to it wirelesly.
We think we know but it’s not a guarantee.
The timeline of drake makes no sense for a console releasing maybe 2 years from now. Hell, in a late 2024 release scenario this SoC could even end up less impressive than the OG Switch was in 2017 considering other advancing mobile tech.
I feel like there's gonna be a lot of Steam Decks sold in Japan in the next 12 months
Yeah, we don't have to wait long to know that H1 2023 is 100% off the table. I give another month at most before writing off a May 12 launch. But we know T239 is real and still being worked on, so will that be released as a Shield to recoup losses? But then what about Nintendo's spot in manufacturing lines? If they passed on Drake, what dev kits are out there still? Did Nintendo call them back? Was there another set of dev kits sent out for a different system before then? Are they different from the ones Nate heard about in late 2020 - mid 2021?The good thing is we won't have long to know if 2023 is the year or not. If Nintendo doesn't show it off in the next Nintendo Direct in February, it's not coming in 2023. No chance they release Zelda TotK in May and then release new hardware a few 4-6 months later. Honestly, when you look at the specs of Drake, it seems to need a much better process than 8nm to fit the size and power draw limits of the Switch. Releasing in 2024 would benefit from reduced 4N manufacturing cost. I want Switch 2 in 2023 with Zelda TotK, but if it ends up being 2024, the specs would still be pretty awesome.
There are many ways to read these new developments. It's vague and open to interpretation.Huh?
We still know what the chip is, that hasn't changed.
I feel like a lot of you guys are not properly reading the new developments.
The Switch is selling numbers that the 3DS never came close to seeing in its life. Not even comparable in the slightest. There is a peak, but we won't be seeing that till 2024 at the earliest. Switch 2 has a better chance of a 2025 release than 2024 at this point.It's not funny at all, this is literally what happened with 3DS. Great hardware sales one year, the system completely dead the another. Stuck at 75m no matter how hard Nintendo pushed it with first party releases. Once the third party abandoned, 3DS was pronounced dead.
There's a peak for Switch hardware sales and we don't know how close we are to it right now. Nintendo does. And definitely will act accordingly.
true haven't seen the prices, they don't sell anything in Australia so I don't even bother thinking about it. My point is really more, you have Square etc... publicly supporting and referencing Steam Deck, putting it front and centre at Tokyo Game Show etc... its a bit more visible than previous handheld PCs have been, and PC gaming is rising in Japan - I'm not saying theyre gonna start outselling Switch or PS5 by any means but if post Zelda software is a bit meh and theres no new hardware, could see enthusiasts wanting to play FFXVI etc... and getting a steam deck if its marketed in Japan (and they bring down the price)Not for the prices Valve have set over there; they could be classified as extortion. Over 10k yen for the best model even before the fall is ridiculous.
I have trouble believing they'd be putting driver information into the Linux kernel for a chip that is now being repurposed.There are many ways to read these new developments. It's vague and open to interpretation.
Imo the a78/ dlss/ rt model that Nate has been explicit about the entire time couldn't have been anything other than Drake. It was supposed to be in a late 2022/ 2023 revision. Now that's canceled.
So maybe the project has repurposed into a 2024 device on a smaller node. Maybe the 8sm Dane that Kopite heard about really was real a thing. Maybe that theory was right all along.
Maybe as John alluded to Dane wasn't powerful enough to get ports from current gen so it was delayed/ repurposed.
Nothing is clear anymore at this point.
Guess this got lost in the flurry today...So theoretically how much of a jump between the Switch and drake can possibly be?
Yeah, we don't have to wait long to know that H1 2023 is 100% off the table. I give another month at most before writing off a May 12 launch. But we know T239 is real and still being worked on, so will that be released as a Shield to recoup losses? But then what about Nintendo's spot in manufacturing lines? If they passed on Drake, what dev kits are out there still? Did Nintendo call them back? Was there another set of dev kits sent out for a different system before then? Are they different from the ones Nate heard about in late 2020 - mid 2021?The good thing is we won't have long to know if 2023 is the year or not. If Nintendo doesn't show it off in the next Nintendo Direct in February, it's not coming in 2023. No chance they release Zelda TotK in May and then release new hardware a few 4-6 months later. Honestly, when you look at the specs of Drake, it seems to need a much better process than 8nm to fit the size and power draw limits of the Switch. Releasing in 2024 would benefit from reduced 4N manufacturing cost. I want Switch 2 in 2023 with Zelda TotK, but if it ends up being 2024, the specs would still be pretty awesome.
The Factory Uncle promptly deletes any posts that might contain sensitive information so it is lost in the etherOh yeah, where was the funcle's post about a new Switch beginning production in January?