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It’s hard for me to not be sympathetic folks who whip around like this. The fan community is fed a media diet almost entirely of con-artists.
SMD64, for example, is a con artist. Nintendo Prime is a con artist. It doesn’t matter if they genuinely believe their own bullshit, they are unethical drama spinners who give fans both the rage and adulation they want in exchange for clicks. Those clicks are money and prestige. SamusHunter and Zippo and LeakyPandy and MarkoMaro - all maybe at some point had a source or lucked into something right, rode some coattails and got lucky and padded the rest out with bullshit.
Fans have been jerked around so many times by these people it’s not surprising they’re hyper-vigilant for fakes while also being utterly gullible in the pursuit of their True Savior.
If they had the media/technical literacy to be able to tell the difference between the legitimate-but-unlucky and illegitimate-but-lucky they wouldn’t need the need chewed up and spoon fed to them by these sewer goblins in the first place.
Case in point:
This user is fully allowed to make their own judgements on who they do and do not trust, and for what reason. But there is no logic to it.
If the only standard is “getting one thing wrong ever, even stuff they themselves have caveated,” then Nate and Necro would have failed that standard a long time ago. That this is their standard but it is only failed now represents a complete inability to do basic research, or to see past their own moment-to-moment feelings.
If you’re here to rage to post multiple times a day about the accuracy of a reporter whose podcasts you clearly haven’t bothered to follow, I’m not going to stop you, but you’ve “noped” out of me trying to change your mind.
Case in continued point: this user is tossing out stuff that hasn’t come up in Nate’s reporting (storage amount) but not thrown out stuff that has (load times in Zelda).
Then they substitute a “point zero” “Because Nintendo is cheap.”
Has this user priced out these components? Do they have an argument for why Nintendo would break their pattern of BC which doesn’t appear to have any per-unit cost?
No.
When told they are “because Nintendo”-ing having just “because Nintendo”-ed, they just say these are reasonable expectations. By whose standard? Theirs. Justification? Non-existent.
Maybe they’ll even be right! But they won’t be right because of logic or insight or evidence or insider knowledge - they’ll be right because of luck. The same way that a broken-YouTuber is right twice a hype-cycle. Sheer luck.
The irony will be lost
Hopium, more exact.
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Very little of what they do is centered around quarterly shareholder meetings.
Though now I'm imagining a video like the Switch reveal one, but instead of basketball players, roof partiers, van players, we just get different groups of excited shareholders playing.
monkeygotyou
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That's the same prices as modern games in Canada. If the pic is true, those are still pretty expensive for SNES games lol
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Lol give me a break.
20 quotes I never seen that, you got cooked
I hadn't thought to search for old catalogs and circulars.
I found this Sears one - https://christmas.musetechnical.com/ShowCatalog/1995-Sears-Christmas-Book - but I have no idea if it's US or Canada. Page 188 for SNES games. Still high prices.
I had a Super Magicom at the time. For reasons.
EDIT 1 - JC Penny from the same holiday - https://christmas.musetechnical.com/ShowCatalogPage/1995-JCPenney-Christmas-Book/0586 - Super Metroid is $64.99.
Both appear to be US catalogs because they list Canadian catalogs separately.
I'm still looking for a Target circular. They weren't in Canada at the time.
EDIT2 - Page 587 of the same catalog has DKC 1 for $69.99.
EDIT3 - 1996 - https://christmas.musetechnical.com/ShowCatalogPage/1996-Sears-Christmas-Book/0196 - N64 games at $74.99 and SNES on the next page.
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justanotherperson
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If the rumors are true, I think Nintendo should try to push any of the potential portable Xbox as soon as possible. Microsoft is able to sell a powerful handheld in the same price range (or lower) than Nintendo and I think they could reveal that at the end of the year for a release in 2026.
Tentacle-tropes
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Does that include a shirt with him holding a nothing burger in the shape of an Xbox?
Darknut85
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Of course!
Famiboards ignoring obvious bait challenge! difficulty impossible!
well it's been call that for years now
Darknut85
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People just love stealing ideas from Nintendo.
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So, can we safely say that Nintendo didn't move the Direct because of that podcast? It's kinda funny how some us here, myself included, thought that this was gonna be some earth shattering reveal of Microsoft's future in the industry, when this could have been a Twitter drop.
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I don't believe this one bit.
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I guess? Sounds abit asinine to delay it over one game, no?
ItWasMeantToBe19
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I'm sure the Steam Deck 2 and the Xbox handheld will be a decent bit more powerful than the Switch 2 (simply due to using LPDDR6) and they will probably reduce the Switch 2's sales, but I don't think it will have that massive of an impact (maybe reducing the Switch 2's sales potential by 5-20m units) and there's not really much that could be done.
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The podcast seemed very scraped together and unplanned, it very much still seems like damage control and it was only announced last week.
There is a good chance nobody else in the industry knew what that podcast was going to entail, and could have had news that would have dominated headlines today.
As a longtime Nintendo speculator, I’ve seen many smokes lead to many fires, so I have no doubt in my mind that a video, especially a partner direct, was shifted to anticipate this. Or exactly what ^ @Hermii said
eye0h
"aggressively persue a multiplatform strategy"
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Tbh not sure if I do either. Necro said he shouldn't have trusted that source, nate just said he's waiting for an upate on a reschedule which suggests he believes it was set for today. Current scenario is: necros source was untrustworthy but nate's source was real, just that the direct moved to a time he doesn't know yet.
Possibilities are that nate's source was bad, just doesn't want to say "my bad guys!" again just after doing it with starfield last week OR we're still getting a partner showcase OR maybe it was real at a point and they just scrapped it to focus on the console launch?
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Yeah canadian BUT
in US
I bought Mario RPG for $75
I had to trade in a ton of stuff to knock it down cheap enough for birthday cash to cover it
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This is exactly what the transition between Nintendo eras feels like BAY-BEEEE, I feel a storm a-brewing
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It isn't, but the arguments I'd heard were about how the Direct would have been overshadowed by whatever this podcast would have entailed and even then, it's not like these events couldn't have been on the same day? Though I suppose that's assuming that 1. this Xbox game is even gonna be apart of the Direct and 2. Nate and Necrolipe's source simply got things wrong. I just don't see the point of changing plans over something like what we saw today. Maybe I'm overthinking things.
Sorry for the paragraph.
Tentacle-tropes
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If it was only just a pre recorded video in question sure
ItWasMeantToBe19
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I don't want to bash insiders who get things wrong as bad people as that's really weird and you shouldn't do that, but also Necro clearly does not have any sources and literally every report he does is piggy backing off other reports.
Like thelegendofcap said, there is a chance Nintendo didn't know this would be a nothingburger. And the cost of delaying the direct is relatively minor, so better safe than sorry.
And say if the delay means Nintendo can announce sea of thieves in an otherwise lacklustre direct, it could definitely be worth it even if its just 1 game.
You think delaying a partner direct for a week is a big deal? Explain.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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If Penny's Big Breakaway's release date is tied to the Direct, it's a pretty big deal for Christian Whitehead and company if the Direct is delayed.
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All the more reason to delay, if they though it was a chance the Xbox stuff would dominate headlines.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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Yeah, that is the best counterpoint. I think they only delay if the devs got scared.
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And it would have been, had the info not leaked and caused a shitstorm. And it's pretty obvious that Microsoft's strategy has been leaking in real time, ie, before shit is actually settled on their end.
There is no point in changing plans over what we got today, but Nintendo didn't know. Even if this was the sort of thing the Microsoft team would reach out to the Nintendo team about (it isn't), the whole PR strategy from MS these last two weeks has been slapdash, and I'm willing to get that the exact details of why Phil shared weren't settled until right before recording.
Nintendo has never "gotten out of the way" of any of their competitors big announcements or shows. They don't have to, they can win those news cycles just by showing... better games, or games that attract different audiences. But this is Nintendo getting out from between Phil Spencer's gun pointed and Xbox's foot. You can't beat the trashfire.
Not saying they did delay because of Microsoft, but we can't determine Nintendo's intentions from the contents of the podcast.
Tentacle-tropes
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Yes? It should be obvious that lots of parts are tied directly to a Direct. We’ve seen what happens when a Direct is delayed & the types of material attached to it. Even an internal delay can cause problems for companies.
Months of planning & weeks of work to all of a sudden delay it a week because one potential partner panicked over rumours, putting their preferences above the rest, resulting in a nothing burger of a podcast because Nintendo didn’t wanna be overshadowed when that has happened before.
Shareholder Chad
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This place has gone to shit in a matter of hours
Sometimes you gotta make a queens Gambit play in order to win the game....
In May/June.
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To achieve a flatter profile and improve durability, what would people think of Nintendo using a cycloid or circle pad? With a click, of course. I think I'd be ok with it, I quite liked the circle pads but a larger size like the cycloid or Sega Saturn 3D Controller would be nice.
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Ratio'd.
Cycloid. They should offer more options though. Toss in a circle pad version, and something akin to the Hori Split Pad Pros.
Catsylvania
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In the United States, Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars was $69.99 when it first released in 1996. I put that in the Bureau of Labor Statistics inflation calculator, and it came out to $137.84.
I had never been more excited for a video game at that point, and I bugged my mom for months because I was an unemployed freeloader. I only got two games a year as a kid (in hindsight, fair). Like a year or two later, my neighbor got it for ~$20 new from Toys R Us. Sorry, mama…
Prices were mostly “normal” on Nintendo 64. Outside of Star Wars: Shadows of the Empire ($79.99), I never personally saw a game over $49.99. PlayStation games were still cheaper and dropped in price faster.
pelusilla6
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Nah, i liked the podcast tbh
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