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Feel increasingly confident that Prime 4 and the next 3D Mario game will be released alongside or after the Switch 2 and will be cross-gen games that have some extra focus on making the Switch 2 version look good.
Funny. Its like we were predicting Tegra Orion NX at first.I don't recall any leak from kopite about GPU size. In this thread, @Alovon11 was the only significant pusher of 8SMs pre leak. Most of us, myself included, thought it was too far to go on Samsung 8nm, Alovon's argument was that it would be exactly half Orin, and be the simplest design move, consistent with the rest of the hardware.
Agreed. I've been saying this many times, though I think the lite should be dropped to $170-180.Why do you expect them to keep the V2 and not the OLED? I assumed the opposite would happen
I also don’t think they need to cut the cost if any of the other devices for a bit longer, just bring the OLED down to the original model price. Assuming a launch sometime this year, I could see end of year pricing looking like:
- Switch 1 Lite $199 USD
- Switch 1 (OLED) $299
- Switch 2 $399
Man I wish language packs were optional downloads. That could save us quite a bit on space once we get to those big games.I will say, on the note of storage size, i should remind people of Sony's discussions on the capabilities of the PS5 and storage
The Strength of the PS5's Processing and the SSDs (This applies to the Series S|X too), allows developers to
- Cut out Repeated use of assets in the installation as NAND has effective instant seek speeds
- Have access to far more sophisticated compression algorithms (Games would need to be designed/converted to them and the system would need to support good decompression)
- How fortunate Drake in a recent analysis of leaks, seemingly has a dedicated Decompression block like the Kraken in the PS5
- A combination of the graphical fidelity achievable on the new consoles and the fast storage speeds leads to something that can drastically cut down install sizes for some types of games, Pre-Renders may no longer be needed.
- An example of this is Final Fantasy XVI in which YoshiP has confirmed that all the footage in the recent Revenge Trailer was real-time and not pre-rendered,
- For example, a game that made extensive use of Pre-rendered cutscenes from a previous generation, Final Fantasy 13, that game while around 48hr for the main objective completed, >100 for 100%, 9 hours of that was pre-rendered in some form either CGI or In-Engine. With the game on PC being 59GBs, and it is commonly reported that around 50GBs of that is the Pre-Rendered Cutscenes and Dual-Audio (So 25GB per language roughly)
- If Final Fantasy XIII could run every cutscene in real-time it would fit onto the 16GB Switch Cartridge quite easily with room to stretch a bit to increase texture quality even.
- So Next-Gen Exclusives that can utilize the instant seek speeds and far faster data speeds of the NAND storage can perform feats like FFXVI and eliminate pre-renders from the file size (Up to the developer on that, but you likely will see a split between games that are fully real-time, or games that use full-on FMV video files recorded on a high end PC rather than the older style of in-engine pre-renders)
Ideally, next week to the end of January. At the very latest, mid-February. the New 3DS was announced in August 29 and released in October 11 in Japan. Granted, New 3DS is basically a "Pro" version of the 3DS.. And we're talking about a switch successor here.If Switch 2 is in May, what month would Nintendo announce it?
I'm just trying to wrap my head around the possibility of them revealing the Switch 2 in a near timeframe to the TotK OLED. Marketing a $400+ successor so near to a $360 special edition for Zelda enthusiasts... while the game the special edition is celebrating may be a launch title for the next-gen. It's not impossible, but amusing to think about.
I would like a new Switch
I want it to come with a mouse so we can have Mario Paint 3I would like a new Switch
You know what would make a new switch perfect? Kirby air ride 2I would like a new Switch
I will drop FL Studio in favor of the creative producer's ideal digital audio workstation, Mario Paint 3I want it to come with a mouse so we can have Mario Paint 3
Or ya know, it just existing!You know what would make a new switch perfect? Kirby air ride 2
tbh I feel WarioWare DIY was the secret Mario Paint sequel a lot of people were clamouring for but it didn’t sell great…I want it to come with a mouse so we can have Mario Paint 3
Can you elaborate?Did anyone watch the Playeressence stream where he mentioned switch 2
That's kind of why I'm asking if anyone watched it lol. I couldn't really catch most of it only a couple minutes.Can you elaborate?
I love Wario Ware DIY, but I want them to go as wild as they did with Mario Artist on 64DD and have a proper successor to that loltbh I feel WarioWare DIY was the secret Mario Paint sequel a lot of people were clamouring for but it didn’t sell great…
Game cards being less versatile and more expensive than SD cards is something I have frequently mocked over the years because it seems so stupid. 32GB game cards being prohibitively expensive for publishers to bother with, vs reliable 64GB microSD cards being available to end users for $10 or less.Wait, are Game Cards really more expensive than SD cards? Weren't they designed to be super cheap to produce so that they can function as a mass produced entertainment distribution media? What makes them more expensive?
In all previous gens it's also been the case that we saw that capacity-per-dollar improvement along the way. SNES games going from half a megabyte to 4 megabytes standard. N64 games going from 8MB to 32MB norm. Early DS games on 16MB cards and some late ones on 256MB cards. 3DS cards ranging from 128MB to 4GB more or less. But since early 2017 we seem to have hit a wall, going from 16GB being common with 32GB being extremely rare, to 16GB being common with 32GB being extremely rare.People shouldn’t worry about game card storage size. Capacity per dollar improves every gen, Switch 2 32 gb cards for example should be cheaper.
PC games have this kind of slider all the time. You might need a GPU with a high amount of RAM to set your textures to Ultra, but if not you can set it to lower and the game performance won't hurt because the Ultra versions exist unused.I don't have technical knowledge but does having 4k textures decrease performance. Would be quite wasteful to have 4k textures then if you are only playing in handheld mode
So, if we get the first direct of the year that fills most of the year with software releases and there's no mention of any hardware, would 2023 be officially dead?
Hardware Test Engineer
April 2022 - Present
Manage execution to electrically characterize and validate I/O interfaces (IC2, SPI/QSPI) of Nvidia GeForce RTX 40-Series GPUs and T239 GPU/SOC/CPU
I think an announcement is likely to happen in May.I'm gonna put a clown propic if it gets released in May but I'm honestly pretty firm about that.
That makes more sense, although E3 is right after that (whatever E3 will be this year)I think an announcement is likely to happen in May.
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Patience young friendI would like a new Switch
^ my thoughts when a new rhythm heaven crosses my mindtbh I feel WarioWare DIY was the secret Mario Paint sequel a lot of people were clamouring for but it didn’t sell great…
Lovelace gpu's are late 2022/ 2023 products. So them being grouped together with T239 means?Out of curiosity I put in T239 into LinkedIn - only got one hit that I could view:
So this means nothing to me, but wondered if the work this person is doing, and the timeframe of it, would be relevant to the SoC’s production? Any takers?
If the announcement was right around the corner we would have more smoke by now. No smoke, no fireJust a reminder, original Switch was revealed 4.5 months before it's release. We are around just over 4 months away from Zelda release in May right now. So there is still enough of time to announce end of January and release in May for a Switch 2. They also don't need a huge gap from announce to release as Switch 2 will likely use the same concept. In fact the initial Switch 1 reveal was a concept trailer with a brief glimpse of games. The actual Switch 1 presentation with official game announcements happened only 2 months before switch 1 release. My guess Switch 2 gets revealed with a press release a week after Fire Emblem Release. First concept trailer 2 weeks after Fire Emblem release. Then press conference end of February with details of launch lineup pre-orders etc.
Jan will be the month of smoke I can feel itIf the announcement was right around the corner we would have more smoke by now. No smoke, no fire
If the announcement was right around the corner we would have more smoke by now. No smoke, no fire
Feel increasingly confident that Prime 4 and the next 3D Mario game will be released alongside or after the Switch 2 and will be cross-gen games that have some extra focus on making the Switch 2 version look good.
We have plenty of smoke at the moment.If the announcement was right around the corner we would have more smoke by now. No smoke, no fire
That would be terrifying.Makes me nervous just speculating that one day I'll be walking down a dark alley, when there is a "Wahoooo, time to go" behind me, then I am never heard from again.
As I am understand it you can't do it I/O testing on a chip that hasn't been physically produced. So this seems to suggest that the chip physically exists which corroborates our previous assumption based on the Linux data also from (coincidentally enough) April 2022.Out of curiosity I put in T239 into LinkedIn - only got one hit that I could view:
So this means nothing to me, but wondered if the work this person is doing, and the timeframe of it, would be relevant to the SoC’s production? Any takers?
More like a spark than anything else, it needs to be corroborated.We have plenty of smoke at the moment.
And there's a reason the saying is "no smoke without fire" and not "no smoke, no fire".
There's plenty of smoke about T239 and it's completion. Not so much about the actual Nintendo Nintendo product it's for.More like a spark than anything else, it needs to be corroborated.
Reminder that we generally do not get rumors about gaming hardware in the November-December period when the people in supply chains are in full swing working on their current products. I expect we'll start hearing something by the end of the month if it's coming soon.If the announcement was right around the corner we would have more smoke by now. No smoke, no fire
Do you remember when we got the UE 4 data mine for the Switch?Reminder that we generally do not get rumors about gaming hardware in the November-December period when the people in supply chains are in full swing working on their current products. I expect we'll start hearing something by the end of the month if it's coming soon.
No, actually.Do you remember when we got the UE 4 data mine for the Switch?
More like a spark than anything else, it needs to be corroborated.
Yeah but if the T239 rumors started early last year I don't get why now we can think it's anytime soonThere's plenty of smoke about T239 and it's completion. Not so much about the actual Nintendo Nintendo product it's for.
That's even older and we still got nothing concrete.What about all the information from publications that Nintendo is working in a system that uses DLSS for 4K
It's more of a plume... And corroboration isn't necessarily helpful, given what happened in summer 2021.More like a spark than anything else, it needs to be corroborated.
The Nvidia leak is pretty concrete. Just don't know when Nintendo will stuff it in a console.Yeah but if the T239 rumors started early last year I don't get why now we can think it's anytime soon
That's even older and we still got nothing concrete.
I mean in this very page there is a LinkedIn profile grouping it together with other released/ soon to be released Lovelace cards. There are also the Linux commits implying it's a finished chip.Yeah but if the T239 rumors started early last year I don't get why now we can think it's anytime soon
That's even older and we still got nothing concrete.
I would like a new Switch
Nobody's hating.Just wanna say I'm ultra skeptical in life in general so don't hate me for questioning every single thing, I enjoy being wrong and thanks for answering
Hey man, every speculation needs skepticism to keep the discussion going, no need to apologizeJust wanna say I'm ultra skeptical in life in general so don't hate me for questioning every single thing, I enjoy being wrong and thanks for answering
I know, it was just preemptive infoNobody's hating.
The timeline of chip manufacturing is why we're thinking it can happen soon. A user found information in the Linux kernel which indicates the T239 chip was physically produced, at least as a sample, as of April 2022 at the latest. People familiar with chip manufacturing have said it usually takes no more than a year to go from having samples to having the chip sold in a product.Yeah but if the T239 rumors started early last year I don't get why now we can think it's anytime soon
I feel like your reasoning here supports the exact opposite of your conclusion... The Wii U was dead and announcing a product earlier couldn't harm it any more then it already was. The Switch is not dead, it's selling extremely well for a going on 6 years console, so they will want to minimize the time between announcement and release of a new console to minimize the impact on current switch sales.if Drake gets announced by the end of January, it'll have less time between announcement and release than the original Switch at <4 months. Switch was only done like that due to the Wii U dying before the next gen release, I doubt they're going to repeat that at the peak of their success. Imo it's Holiday 2023 at the earliest, and even I'm starting to have doubts about that given how MK8, XC3, and almost assuredly Pokemon's DLC ending this year increasingly feels like pre-generation house cleaning
if Drake gets announced by the end of January, it'll have less time between announcement and release than the original Switch at <4 months. Switch was only done like that due to the Wii U dying before the next gen release, I doubt they're going to repeat that at the peak of their success. Imo it's Holiday 2023 at the earliest, and even I'm starting to have doubts about that given how MK8, XC3, and almost assuredly Pokemon's DLC ending this year increasingly feels like pre-generation house cleaning