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I worked too hard for that terrible reference
SiG
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Dunno what you mean by this but are you comparing launch-day Switch Warframe or current Switch Warframe?
goombaicebro
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only console warrior boomers jealous of nintendo will downplay nintendo's potential. dedicated ray tracing cores means easier processing for ray tracing than without it. if it can run an intensive demo that has ray tracing enabled then it won't struggle with ray tracing. what don't you understand about that?
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I was being facetious, of course the people on the Nintendo board will get the next Nintendo product
Raccoon
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some people who are technically minded but casual readers of the thread may see my posts and say to themselves "damn raccoon you don't know fucking anything. egg shitpost? read some research papers and contribute scrub."
to this I would reply that while it's true that not knowing anything is one of my greatest weaknesses, not pretending to know anything is my greatest strength.
to this I would reply that while it's true that not knowing anything is one of my greatest weaknesses, not pretending to know anything is my greatest strength.
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goombaicebro
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an honest raccoon is the best kind of raccoon in the world
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Games like Octopath that use pixel art in a 3D space already beat the pixel art to hell with weird angles, scaling, and filters. But DLSS shouldn't hurt them more than it does any other textures. But yeah, for a pure 2D game using low resolution assets, special tricks to achieve higher rendering resolution wouldn't even make much sense.
If that's the only reason you're using RT, sure. But there already exist plenty of multiplatform games built with both already there.
??? Detailed graphical options in console games are the rare exception. In almost all cases we get stuck with the option the developers decided was best. In Switch games, this comes down to deciding which things get nerfed more than others when switching modes.
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The rise of generative artificial intelligence (AI) and other cutting-edge applications have resulted in a market requiring increasingly smarter, more powerful computing that still brings improved efficiency, scalability, and low power.
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If I gave my two cents about this, I’d probably get banned for breaking rules and such. But I’m only going to say this: he’s annoying. It’s not that people dislike him because he says things that are against the grain, things that are against the grain happen all the time in the thread and people discuss it back and forth with data and their reasonings.
They don’t like him because he’s disingenuous, dishonest, and an asshole. He doesn’t care if he’s right, he wants to annoy you about it that he’s right. He doesn’t read the post and if it makes him wrong he backtracks, uses gymnastics, or skirts and moves the goalpost, is inconsistent and doesn’t contribute to discussion, just arguing.
If they want to argue, that’s fine. But I want to discuss and speculate, not argue with a random stranger on the internet that doesn’t do it in good faith. One that, continuously, ignores what others say and then uses a large pool of words to phrase that they are wrong even if the person they are responding to have links and articles that support that person’s claim.
If proven wrong, doesn’t even respond. Wait a week, asks the same or similar thing they already asked a week before and were already corrected on and then gives a hogwash response.
It’s not limited to this thread, it’s across the site. It’s like talking to a wall.
Mods do whatever, broke whatever rules, idc, etc.. i accept it.
It’s not like the thread isn’t bogged down by the same intentionally baity posts that get quoted and fill the thread with “this person is on ignore” and others responding to it.
if you saw my original post it was much longer than this. So I’m only giving one cent.
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SD has RT...
[System LSI Tech Day 2023] Hyper-Intelligence: Samsung Electronics’ Futuristic System LSI Technologies Enable Hyper-Intelligence in the AI Era | Samsung Semiconductor Global
The rise of generative artificial intelligence (AI) and other cutting-edge applications have resulted in a market requiring increasingly smarter, more powerful computing that still brings improved efficiency, scalability, and low power.
they finally released that demo!?
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Not only Qualcomm. Arm and Samsung have ray tracing as well. In fact, Samsung released a ray tracing demo for the Xclipse GPU one hour ago as shown below.
[System LSI Tech Day 2023] Hyper-Intelligence: Samsung Electronics’ Futuristic System LSI Technologies Enable Hyper-Intelligence in the AI Era | Samsung Semiconductor Global
The rise of generative artificial intelligence (AI) and other cutting-edge applications have resulted in a market requiring increasingly smarter, more powerful computing that still brings improved efficiency, scalability, and low power.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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I am arguing over and over and over again that
1. It is literally possible for the Switch 2 to do RT
2. RT is a very marginal benefit to consumers at this point in time and is largely a convenience thing for devs at this point
3. The Switch 2 is weak (due to being mobile hardware) and it's not really plausible for devs to give up tons of visual fidelity on effects with a higher marginal benefit to pursue convenience on mobile hardware in most cases (outside of like an indie or low budget 3D game with simple graphics). Their game will look much worse than the competition if they did so.
If devs want to put a "turn on RT and drop 30 FPS and drop a lot in resolution" option in the menu, that's all fine.
I just don't understand the situation where it's an option in docked mode and then the option is turned off in handheld mode. It will look bad regardless.
And if it's mandatory in docked mode but off in handheld mode... That makes less sense.
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AI is great for some things, and DLSS is an excellent example - it's not like FSR has some broader social benefits or something, it's just less efficient, and machine learning allowed for these sorts of programs to work much better. Even the image data DLSS is raised on generally comes from the same companies and developers who will then benefit from having DLSS in their game. "AI art" is... the other thing.
Isn't that what all games with the RT feature doing already? All the PC games I own with RT (ok 2), Doom Eternal, and Cyberpunk allow you to turn it off.
...are there any RT only games out yet?... maybe on consoles like spiderman or something?
ItWasMeantToBe19
Manakete
This is what most games do yes, Spider-Man and 3 other games have mandatory RT (Immortals, Jedi Survivor, and Lords of the Fallen). I'm talking about a situation where there's mandatory RT in docked mode and no RT in handheld mode which wouldn't make sense.
carbvan
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why wouldn't it make sense? PC games can turn on and off raytracing already.
oh... well I don't understand the maths... so maybe it works out if you can RT in docked, the lower res of handheld is still possible with slower clocks...
...but if that isn't the case, I could see RT being the first thing to go. It seems like devs don't have a problem with hybrid development for the second performance setting...
you're literally the only person arguing that handheld mode will not get RT in a mandatory RT game and you're basing it on nothing
but if it needs to happen, then they can turn it off or bake lighting. or have the game skip drake
what if Nintendo starts rendering primary view with RT, tho?
I don't expect this to happen except in the indie scene
ItWasMeantToBe19
Manakete
"Devs might turn it off in handheld mode" is just a very weird statement that makes me doubtful of Necro's entire reporting via this post.
If RT is mandatory, then it was mandatory just to save time. So turning it off in handheld mode would make no sense.
If it's an option in docked mode, I don't really understand why devs would take away the option in handheld mode. If it looks really bad in handheld mode, it probably wouldn't look great in docked mode either so why offer the docked mode option then?
If RT is mandatory, then it was mandatory just to save time. So turning it off in handheld mode would make no sense.
If it's an option in docked mode, I don't really understand why devs would take away the option in handheld mode. If it looks really bad in handheld mode, it probably wouldn't look great in docked mode either so why offer the docked mode option then?
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Jedi Survivor recently disabled RT in performance mode iirc
ItWasMeantToBe19
Manakete
Yeah
(It looks really bad, but they'll fix it later. They're making a non-RT version for the PS4/Xbox One/Probably Switch 2 right now)
except devs aren't saying that
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That PS4/Xbox One version is absolutely getting canned.
higher fidelity ceiling. there are new techniques that leverage ray tracing that aren't used in rasterization. like restir, which helps remove light count limits. can be used for accurate physics simulation, sound propagation, and whatnot.
that said, it's largely to help save dev time. if you want to use it for gameplay, well, it's kinda been done already since non-rendering ray tracing isn't particularly expensive.
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real time reflections, the lighting looks nice if done right. im no dev but thats all that comes to mind as someone who has a 3080 and plays (some) games with RT. Doom Eternal looks REAL NICE. Lots of reflections everywhere, like WHEW. Eye candy game. It's also in Elden Ring and I genuinely cannot tell the difference other than I go from 60fps to 12.
ItWasMeantToBe19
Manakete
As path tracing becomes the norm, I expect games with more dynamic lighting to be the norm and this will probably allow for some gameplay styles to be made much more easily.
Would expect destructible environments to be way easier to make as an example.
Would expect destructible environments to be way easier to make as an example.
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They added a ton of stuff to Warframe, volumentric lighting, SSR, and performance tweaks especially on the open world, but they re-moved a bunch of visual features when they upgraded the Switch version to their new graphics engine to align with all other platforms. (PS5/Series/PS4/XBONE) , Switch had been the last platform to move off their old graphics engine.
Some are upset motion blur is gone. But right now the game looks significantly better in terms of resolution. The hope is they will add some visual features back in eventually.
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In other (sorta old?) news, Qualcomm's been waiting till two days from now to announce their Qualcomm Oryon SoC design for laptops, made by the team behind Nuvia. However, their processor... might suck? Like, be really terrible, for entirely self-inflicted reasons.
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Not too familiar with SemiAccurate as a source, but from what I've searched, it seems credible enough despite not sounding the part.
Not sure if this really changes anything from the far-off Switch 3 discussion, but the Oryon was sort of poised like the Apple M1, which later found use in tablets. Well, it's certainly not coming to the Switch 3, in its current state anyway.
What’s going on with Qualcomm’s Oryon SoC?
How did Qualcomm snatch defeat from the jaws of victory with their Oryon/Houma SoC?
semiaccurate.com
Not sure if this really changes anything from the far-off Switch 3 discussion, but the Oryon was sort of poised like the Apple M1, which later found use in tablets. Well, it's certainly not coming to the Switch 3, in its current state anyway.
ShadowFox08
Paratroopa
Sorry if I misread your initial post. I was trying to say RT is possible on handheld (was using SD as an example) but you were arguing that turning RT off in handheld mode doesn't make sense if it's on docked.
Well there's a lot we don't know..
Where did you get this idea that RT will ever be mandatory on switch 2? It definitely won't. I believe it will he toggled on/off like any other graphical feature, or at least treated as a separate performance profile with another that focuses on performance. I mean it's bound to. It's already happening on current consoles. Now if it's already on docked mode as a mode, I could see a mode where it's turned off on handheld for performance reasons. But anyway besides that, there's a lot we don't know about. Could handheld mode have multiple performance profiles that include RT and another mode that prioritizes performance? Maybe. Or they could keep it simple and just have one. I don't know. That would be up to the devs.
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Yep, these sorts of games are perfect cases for RT, especially RTGI. I'd also want to see RTGI in the next Zelda game, though I'm not 100% sure how it would play with the art style.
SiG
Chain Chomp
Oh boy, will you be in for a surprise.
Soooo much has changed with current version Switch Warframe that a lot of the compromises that were apparent from launch are now gone. Better, more stable performance and framerate to boot.
It's literally like comparing launch-day ARK Survivor Evolved Switch with post-relaunch ARK Switch. Differences are night and day.
Edit: Missed the PSA about the upgraded engine. But yeah, a lot of the cutbacks on Switch were restored in subsequent updates, along with performance optimizations. Your comparisons aren't really valid anymore.
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Yeah... if there was any doubt the coloured buttons stuff was just a coincidence this completely removes it. Coloured directional buttons, arranged in a way that when on a sideways left joy-con matches the ABXY buttons on an upright right joy-con? (edit: no they don't, they match each other when they're both sideways) And there's no "sideways colours" variation of the ABXY buttons, implying that these are representing something physical? Switch 2.
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I'd like to see this confirmed from somewhere other than a random Twitter account.
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Separated directional buttons instead of a D-Pad is all I wanted to hear. Switch 2 10/10 system day one.
Assuming this has even an ounce of truth, of course
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SEPARATED DPAD SUPREMACY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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LiC
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Not sure if this is what you meant, but these colors would line up when each Joy-con is used individually.
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interesting that the d pad colors are set so that they specifically match the color orientation of the YBXA buttons not in normal rotation but ssuch that when both are being used as individual joycons they both share the same orientation per color (e.g. A and "left" being Red which would both be the bottom button in single joycon mode)
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