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[Lancelot]

How do people feel Nintendo’s best looking Switch games compared to the best looking 360/PS3 games?

Switch's best looking games are using PBR and pushing bigger textures than anything from PS3/360 so, superior... But that alone didn't help much because the Switch was already too damn bottlenecked to actually utilize the PBR paradigm properly. Hence, why we got tons of games that may be superior in the technical level but actually looked just as dated in practice. Switch (Tegra X1) was a jump in GPU features, not in raw power, it happened to be roughly equivalent to a Wii U when handheld and slightly better when docked. The Maxwell GPU and memory increase are what made all the difference.

 

[SoldierDelta]

I think a lot of topics (like, actual on-topic ones) have been pretty much discussed dry already.

Unless there's new stuff from some outlets (Eurogamer, Nate and so on) or without hints about the missing info from the hardware (which at this point is really in the details area), there might not be much activity here outside of people entering an off topic loop again. ;D

Considering we're almost 1900 pages into this thread, this was inevitably going to happen. Kinda hoping for a leak/rumour so we can just discuss it for a few dozen pages more.

 

[gamerguy]

I wonder what doom eternal would look like on a wii:u.

 

[Deleted member 887]

Could be a generic feature when upscaling is implemented by a generic API.

I don't think so? Not my core area of expertise, but I don't think there is a generic way to tell them game to render at a native higher resolution. You can remove the upscaler, yes, but if the game caps at 720p, then it caps at 720p, and those caps are going to be game specific.

 

[YolkFolk]

Yes. Switch library has a lot of crossover with PS and XB library. Unlike past Nintendo systems, it's actually very feasible to have Switch as it's your main machine this generation. It's just that the big games, the ones with bigger marketing and commercial pull, mainly skip the hardware. But the vast majority of games being released do target the Nintendo hardware as well. The ones who skip are in the minority.

Compared to pre-launch fears of the machine being a Wii U 2 + 3DS JP in terms of developer support, the fears were very unfounded.

We must be living in different universes.

For me Switch third party is about indie games, enhanced 360/PS3 games, and with a much smaller amount of PS4/XB1 titles.

 

[Lancelot]

I wonder what doom eternal would look like on a wii:u.

I'll be like running Doom 2016 on one of these but with half the GPU, if it's even possible. https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/radeon-hd-6510.c2395.

The Wii U was ridiculously underpowered, there's a reason WUST is still popping up over these places.

 

[P4bl0]

November 7th

So a reveal on Thursday 2nd then, 5 days before the shareholders meeting would work.

October 2016 reveal was on the 20th and the shareholders meeting was on the 26th of October

I honestly don't understand why people are getting excited over the Nintendo Investors Meeting on October 26. It's just the Second Quarter Earnings Release. It's not like it's a Shareholders meeting. Don't expect too much from this, guys.

Same energy, it looks straight out of Fami hahahaha

 

[YolkFolk]

So a reveal on Thursday 2nd then, 5 days before the shareholders meeting would work.

October 2016 reveal was on the 20th and the shareholders meeting was on the 26th of October








Same energy, it looks straight out of Fami hahahaha

You mean people making educated and experienced guesses unlike you’re own which have mostly been incorrect?

Seems strange to mock ‘fami’ because we don’t all think Switch 2 will be officially revealed this year.

 

[P4bl0]

You mean people making educated and experienced guesses unlike you’re own which are mostly incorrect?

Well well Yolk, those guesses in 2016 were wrong

 

[Concernt]

You mean people making educated and experienced guesses unlike you’re own which are mostly incorrect?

They're literally pointing to a time when the view opposite to themselves is incorrect.

There's little reason to believe Nintendo would wait until the end of the year or after to reveal this thing, and little reason why such a reveal would happen AFTER their investor meeting.

 

[YolkFolk]

They're literally pointing to a time when the view opposite to themselves is incorrect.

There's little reason to believe Nintendo would wait until the end of the year or after to reveal this thing, and little reason why such a reveal would happen AFTER their investor meeting.

Is that your own current view?

In terms of someone being incorrect - I’m talking about the mocking of this forum today. The old view posted isn’t comparable to now and the views of ‘fami’ since NX was due to be revealed as a Spring 2017 date had already been confirmed. If Switch 2 had been confirmed for Spring 2024 then I’d expect a reveal around now also.

 

[OctoSplattack]

The most I expect in November is Nintendo making an official statement that the Switch 2 is releasing in the fiscal year ending March 2025 and that more details will be discussed later. I'm pretty adamant that the first time they talk about the console won't also be our first time seeing it; they'll save that for later, like always.

 

[YolkFolk]

Well well Yolk, those guesses in 2016 were wrong

As mentioned NX was confirmed for a spring 2017 release at that time. If Switch 2 was confirmed for spring 2024 then I’d expect a reveal soon as well. That confirmation hasn’t yet happened though.

Going back in time, I’m surprised someone would deny such a reveal since most insiders and even major sites were indicating the NX reveal was due. No one of the same ilk is saying a reveal for Switch 2 is due at the moment.

Hopefully we at least get a mention of new hardware or something.

 

[MadMarvainy]

I don't expect a reveal till March. But an official mention would be cool.

 

[SoldierDelta]

I don't expect a reveal till March. But an official mention would be cool.

I disagree, but I do think a full reveal probably won't happen until then. I imagine a teaser or something akin to that will happen prior. Something akin to that first trailer we got in October 2016.

 

[Angel Whispers]

How do people feel Nintendo’s best looking Switch games compared to the best looking 360/PS3 games?

Hmmm… Whoever that is has forgotten what PS360 games actually looked like, so, I wouldn’t take them seriously, tbqh. It’s a crock of BS, considering that Nintendo already produces some of the best graphics in the entire industry, full stop. Personally, I haven’t seen a PS5/XS title that impresses me more.

 

[Teal'c]

I think a lot of topics (like, actual on-topic ones) have been pretty much discussed dry already.

Unless there's new stuff from some outlets (Eurogamer, Nate and so on) or without hints about the missing info from the hardware (which at this point is really in the details area), there might not be much activity here outside of people entering an off topic loop again. ;D

As for comfortable BT headphones, i can recommend the Bose 700 ones. They're not the newest at this point, and not the cheapest though.

Yes I know, but when I see 7-8 new pages I always hope there's something new

The Bose ones are interesting but definitely out of budget

 

[Concernt]

Is that your own current view?

No, as in there's literally few reasons to believe they wouldn't. That's what I said.

 

[Concernt]

The most I expect in November is Nintendo making an official statement that the Switch 2 is releasing in the fiscal year ending March 2025 and that more details will be discussed later. I'm pretty adamant that the first time they talk about the console won't also be our first time seeing it; they'll save that for later, like always.

Ewwww. I sure hope not.

It's just not a situation where they have a reason to "hide" it. It's a new Nintendo Switch. It's not a shamlamadamadimdam deluxe they don't want anyone to know about beforehand.

 

[ReddDreadtheLead]

Can we move on from the emu talk? It’s boring and can get snippy.

 

[Giancarlo]

Man… things really slowed down around here.

I’m guessing things will stay slow until either Nate drops some details, or the week before/of the Nintendo financials update/investor meeting.

given Furukawa coments on Switch suport on Nikei, i doubt Nintendo will have hint, this is [codename of Switch sucessor] and you plan to launch it on the next fiscal year, dont hype yourself for this

 

[PandaAndino]

Xenoblade 2, at 60fps with all setting on high is still the best looking game on OC Switches. That game on HB Switch oled in portable is just outstanding.

 

[seyfeselassie]

If anything, we at least have Nate’s upcoming report; personally hope it sheds light on the Switch NG timeline but I’ll take anything at this point lol.

 

[Goodtwin]

If anything, we at least have Nate’s upcoming report; personally hope it sheds light on the Switch NG timeline but I’ll take anything at this point lol.

I wouldn't get my hopes up for big details from Nate. He tends to drip feed little nuggets of info here and there, but the meaty reports tend to come from sources like VGC and DF/Eurogamer.

 

[seyfeselassie]

I wouldn't get my hopes up for big details from Nate. He tends to drip feed little nuggets of info here and there, but the meaty reports tend to come from sources like VGC and DF/Eurogamer.

True, but we’ve been going around in circles for a while now, so anything that even reinforces currently held beliefs about the NG console would be great imo.

 

[Νεφέλωμα]

Is no one going to state the obvious that this original demo was bullshit of the highest order on par with Ubisoft downgrades of the time?

BotW and TotK are technical marvels for the WiiU/Switch hardware especially with regards to their physics systems but they never got near the visual fidelity of that original trailer. The sheer density of the World alone in the opening reveal shot is way beyond anything in the two recent Zelda games. It’s essentially an “in engine” tech demo probably running on hardware several times more powerful than Switch nevermind WiiU.

They could actually remake the two games on Drake to the point it would be justified to charge full price for them imo. Absolutely everything could be improved from the amount of foliage in the World to better draw distances, higher quality tree models instead of the obvious billboards everywhere, better lod, much more detailed textures, much higher shadow resolution (or RTAO) all at much higher resolutions and at 60fps. They could even add a 30fps RT mode which enabled RTGI.

I would much rather have that than a patch that just ups the resolution and framerate on both games for Drake. Both options would obviously be ideal.

It was just an animation. For me, the antialiasing is the weakest part of BOTW/TOTK visuals

 

[Teal'c]

Although I continue to think that the release will be in H2, I wonder why the Nintendo eshop has been offering so many new bundles lately.
The latest one I noticed is from Ubisoft which is offering all Assassin's Creed games released on Switch for €39.59.
I mean, they don't have to empty the shelves...

 

[Νεφέλωμα]

I went back into the Switch pre-launch Tegra X1 rabbit hole and it's a bit amusing that all the fears and things we talk about with regards to T239 performance and viability when compared to PS5/XSeries are the same things that were discussed about Tegra X1. All the talks about it being a modern SoC with being a GPU in the same class of the others current generation consoles, the talks about being it too slow to get ports, etc.

All these talking point were also talked with the Tegra X1. We saw with Switch that what was said ended being true: Tegra X1 has a modern GPU that was in the same class (featureset) as PS4/XOne and that allowed it to punch above its weight. And the fears of Switch being looked over by developers because it was a "PS3/X360 performance" mobile chip were unfounded.

Watching these videos again made me remember that whatever happens with T239 and Switch 2, it will be a great machine/SoC and that great things will be done with it. And DLSS will really let it punch way above its weight

Yeah, the key of the Switch is that is was an underpowered 8th gen console, not an overpowered 7th gen. Being up to date with tech is as important as raw power. The mission of the Switch 2 is being up to date with current standards: 4K and/or 60fps, WiFi 6, raytracing, etc.

 

[OctoSplattack]

Ewwww. I sure hope not.

It's just not a situation where they have a reason to "hide" it. It's a new Nintendo Switch. It's not a shamlamadamadimdam deluxe they don't want anyone to know about beforehand.

I'd find it weird if they skipped a more general announcement or tease and went straight to a hardware reveal for the next-gen console. It's just something that Nintendo has never done before, and I'm honestly confused why so many think Nintendo would just skip the "announcement" part of the "announcement -> reveal -> release" cycle.

 

[seyfeselassie]

Although I continue to think that the release will be in H2, I wonder why the Nintendo eshop has been offering so many new bundles lately.
The latest one I noticed is from Ubisoft which is offering all Assassin's Creed games released on Switch for €39.59.
I mean, they don't have to empty the shelves...

If the Switch 2 is fully BC, maybe by having a bunch of sales during the end of the fiscal year, can turn Nintendo an early decent profit, and entice consumers by promising them that they can play all their newly purchased games on an even more advanced system.

 

[Teal'c]

If the Switch 2 is fully BC, maybe by having a bunch of sales during the end of the fiscal year, can turn Nintendo an early decent profit, and entice consumers by promising them that they can play all their newly purchased games on an even more advanced system.

Make sense. I see they're focusing a lot on it, it can't be a coincidence.
Obviously the bundles are not indicative of how much time is actually left until launch, but offering the 'old' games at a discount and then introducing the new ones (as in the case of Assassin's Creed) can make sense.

 

[Concernt]

Although I continue to think that the release will be in H2, I wonder why the Nintendo eshop has been offering so many new bundles lately.
The latest one I noticed is from Ubisoft which is offering all Assassin's Creed games released on Switch for €39.59.
I mean, they don't have to empty the shelves...

Yeah, tonnes of sales are on right now across physical stores, with the eShop joining it, it's suspicious.

 

[CalmMind]

So a reveal on Thursday 2nd then, 5 days before the shareholders meeting would work.

October 2016 reveal was on the 20th and the shareholders meeting was on the 26th of October








Same energy, it looks straight out of Fami hahahaha

Crow is the new turkey this Fall.

 

[Concernt]

I'd find it weird if they skipped a more general announcement or tease and went straight to a hardware reveal for the next-gen console. It's just something that Nintendo has never done before, and I'm honestly confused why so many think Nintendo would just skip the "announcement" part of the "announcement -> reveal -> release" cycle.

Why wouldn't they?

They didn't "announce" Nintendo Switch until October 2016... When they revealed it.

Revolution had hardware details discussed at reveal, in fact it's not unusual.

Nowadays, revealing hardware but not the name, or vice versa, IS unusual. This isn't 2016's NX. This is Switch 2.

 

[rêverie]

me waiting for natedrake (or literally anyone) to drop his new info so we can stop talking about emulators:

 

[Disorientator]

So Nintendo filed a patent with the World Intellectual Property Organization (WIPO) on 11/11/2022 that was published today, for a device that seems to have a different button/connector layout from the current Switch model family (e.g screenshot button on the top/bottom part of the unit)

I'm not sure the translation is 100% correct, as for example the "Home Menu Button" seems to be positioned where the docking port is on the current system, so maybe "home" really means docked? I don't know.

It could be nothing, but to my old eyes this doesn't seem like a previously released patent/design or a system/dev kit already in the wild, so I thought to share it "just in case".

A portable game device 1 comprises: a front surface 11; a rear surface 12 provided on the opposite side from the front surface; and a top surface 13, a bottom surface 14, a left surface 15, and a right surface 16 that are each provided between the front surface and the rear surface so as to connect said surfaces. The front surface is provided with a display 5 that displays an image and operation portions 31, 32 that are provided to the left and to the right of the display and are used for input by a user. The top surface is provided with a power source operation portion 41, and the bottom surface is provided with a home menu operation portion 43.

Like the first operating section 31 and the second operating section 32, the third operating section 33 and the fourth operating section 34 function as input devices that are operated by the user and input to the processing device of the portable game device 1. Function. In this embodiment, the third operation section 33 and the fourth operation section 34 are both buttons, but they may also be a switching operation section (for example, an operation section that switches the state by sliding), a lever, or the like. Further, the third operating section 33 and the fourth operating section 34 are arranged so as to extend through an opening formed in the upper side wall 23. In addition, when the left and right sides of the upper surface 13 are curved, the third operation part 33 and the fourth operation part 34 may be formed to extend from the upper surface 13 to the left surface 15 and the right surface 16, respectively. At this time, the third operating section 33 and the fourth operating section 34 may have a curved shape.

In this embodiment, the screen image saving operation section 44 is a button for saving the screen image displayed on the display 5. Note that the screen image includes not only still images but also moving images. Furthermore, the data does not have to be exactly the same as the image displayed on the display at that time, and may be data that has been processed or whose data capacity has been reduced. The screen image storage operation section 44 is connected to the processing device and transmits a signal corresponding to an operation performed by a user to the processing device, and the processing device performs processing according to this signal. As an example, when the screen image saving operation section 44 is operated while an arbitrary game application is operating, the image displayed on the display 5 at that time is saved in the memory. Note that the data may be stored in a server or the like instead of in the memory of the portable game device 1. The screen image storage operation section 44 is smaller than the home menu operation section 43. In this way, the size difference between the home menu operation section 43 and the screen image storage operation section 44 prevents the user from pressing the wrong operation section. The screen image storage operation unit 44 also performs the same function of image storage regardless of the game application being executed on the processing device. Further, the screen image saving operation unit 44 is also an operation unit that is unrelated to the progress of the game application. Note that in other embodiments, the size of the screen image storage operation section 44 may be the same as or larger than the home menu operation section 43.

Connector 54 is used to connect an external connector. In this embodiment, it is used to connect wiring for charging and wiring for external monitoring. The connector 54 is, for example, a USB terminal. The connector 54 is provided at a position offset to one side from the center of the lower surface 14 in the left-right direction, particularly at a position offset in the opposite direction from the screen image storage operation section 44 (in this embodiment, a position offset to the left). It will be done. Note that other terminals such as an earphone jack may be provided on the lower surface 14 instead of or in addition to the connector 54.

(drawings are rotated from originals for easier viewing)

• 1 Portable game device
• 5 Display
• 11 Front
• 12 Rear side
• 13 Top surface
• 14 Bottom surface
• 31 First operation part
• 32 Second operation section
• 33 Third Operation section
• 34 Fourth Operation section
• 41 Power operation section
• 42 Volume operation section
• 43 Home menu operation section
• 44 Operation unit for saving screen images
• 52 Earphone jack
• 55 First speaker opening
• 56 Second speaker opening

 

[Raccoon]

damn, that looks like an all-in-one

what a bizarre patent. a thing with a home button on the bottom? is that all? not sure that I understand

 

[Concernt]

So Nintendo has filed a patent with the World Intellectual Property Organization (WIPO) on 11/11/2022, for a device that seems to have a different button/connector layout to the current Switch model (e.g screenshot button on the top/bottom part of the unit)

I'm not sure translation is 100% correct, as the "Home Menu Button" seems to be positioned where the docking port is on the current system, so maybe "home" really means docked?

It could be nothing, but to my old eyes this doesn't seem like a system/dev kit already in the wild so I thought to share it just in case.

(drawings are rotated from originals for easier viewing)

• 1 Portable game device
• 5 Display
• 11 Front
• 12 Rear side
• 13 Top surface
• 14 Bottom surface
• 31 First operation part
• 32 Second operation section
• 41 Power operation section
• 42 Volume operation section
• 43 Home menu operation section
• 44 Operation unit for saving screen images
• 55 First speaker opening
• 56 Second speaker opening

Looks like they just sort of... Patented the general concept of a handheld with video out. I doubt it's relevant to next gen to any great degree.

 

[Danny]

I'd find it weird if they skipped a more general announcement or tease and went straight to a hardware reveal for the next-gen console. It's just something that Nintendo has never done before, and I'm honestly confused why so many think Nintendo would just skip the "announcement" part of the "announcement -> reveal -> release" cycle.

I mean it just looks like Nintendo have made the decision that they will not say or reveal anything about Switch 2 until after christmas. So early next year is the earliest we will have any sort of reveal of Switch 2. Sucks for us but that is how it seems to me.

 

[Angel Whispers]

Yeah, the key of the Switch is that is was an underpowered 8th gen console, not an overpowered 7th gen. Being up to date with tech is as important as raw power. The mission of the Switch 2 is being up to date with current standards: 4K and/or 60fps, WiFi 6, raytracing, etc.

Switch is a 9th Generation hybrid platform. That is a fact, and not a feeling, and when all is said and done, it will have spent more of its shelf-life alongside the PS5/XS. This is not a controversial statement in the slightest, and it’s wild that it would blow anybody’s mind at all. The 10th Gen successor won’t be lacking. It’ll be more modern than the AMD-powered systems, and even have hardware-specific advantages which have a very high ceiling of disruptive potential. See, the trouble with the “Generations By Power” narrative is that it was invented for the sole purpose of erasing Nintendo and Nintendo fans from all gaming discourse, but by the same BS parameters, one would have to decide what the hell the Switch Lite is, considering that it’s significantly more powerful than the 8th Generation (New) 3DS and PS Vita.

60FPS isn’t “industry standard”, but the term has become nothing more than marketing buzzword bollocks since the PS5/XS dropped. Wii U had 60FPS. So did the Wii and GameCube, and the N64, and the SNES, and the NES. In fact, the Wii U had 120FPS in StarFox Zero, too. “60FPS” isn’t “current standards”, it is, was, and always will be the developer’s choice. It will NEVER, EVER be standardised on consoles. Nintendo publications target it more often than not, while it’s not in PS/XBox’s interests to force standardisation of it, no matter the hardware. Or third parties, for that matter - It’s one of the ways they can try to deny the realities of diminishing returns, and a lot of fans swallow it up. The moment they do target it, it will be even clearer that there isn’t much between the Nintendo platform and theirs. We see this when Astro and Sackboy have games which are no better than the Wii U’s Super Mario 3D World, a title which launched around the time of their predecessors. While we’re at it, 4K isn’t a standard, either. PS/XBox have been selling sub-High Resolution boxes as “powerhouses” for nearly 18 years. PS360 was sub-HD a lot of the time. XB1/PS4 didn’t always hit 1080p. Once the cross-gen is over, you’ll see more PS5/XSX games hit 1440p, and the XSS 1080p. The only reason anybody is enjoying the higher tier performance is because they’re playing a lot of games which exist on their predecessors, with a new generation of patches. I don’t know who needs to hear any of this, but I’m very much done with the pretence.

 

[TomNookYankees]

So Nintendo has filed a patent with the World Intellectual Property Organization (WIPO) on 11/11/2022, for a device that seems to have a different button/connector layout to the current Switch model (e.g screenshot button on the top/bottom part of the unit)

I'm not sure translation is 100% correct, as the "Home Menu Button" seems to be positioned where the docking port is on the current system, so maybe "home" really means docked?

It could be nothing, but to my old eyes this doesn't seem like a system/dev kit already in the wild so I thought to share it just in case.

(drawings are rotated from originals for easier viewing)

• 1 Portable game device
• 5 Display
• 11 Front
• 12 Rear side
• 13 Top surface
• 14 Bottom surface
• 31 First operation part
• 32 Second operation section
• 41 Power operation section
• 42 Volume operation section
• 43 Home menu operation section
• 44 Operation unit for saving screen images
• 55 First speaker opening
• 56 Second speaker opening

At the very least this would require a completely new kind of dock. I guess the logic behind putting the home and photo buttons on the bottom is that for a setting in which this is docked you would be using a separate controller anyway since the unit has all the buttons attached to the main unit anyway.

 

[LiC]

So Nintendo has filed a patent with the World Intellectual Property Organization (WIPO) on 11/11/2022, for a device that seems to have a different button/connector layout to the current Switch model (e.g screenshot button on the top/bottom part of the unit)

I'm not sure translation is 100% correct, as the "Home Menu Button" seems to be positioned where the docking port is on the current system, so maybe "home" really means docked?

It could be nothing, but to my old eyes this doesn't seem like a system/dev kit already in the wild so I thought to share it just in case.

(drawings are rotated from originals for easier viewing)

• 1 Portable game device
• 5 Display
• 11 Front
• 12 Rear side
• 13 Top surface
• 14 Bottom surface
• 31 First operation part
• 32 Second operation section
• 41 Power operation section
• 42 Volume operation section
• 43 Home menu operation section
• 44 Operation unit for saving screen images
• 55 First speaker opening
• 56 Second speaker opening

For starters, we should establish that this is the prime example of the Nintendo patent rule. Whatever this is, it's not something we should expect to see released in the future.

But anyway, at first this seems basically like a Switch Lite, but with the USB port shoved to the left so they could put the home and screenshot buttons on the bottom of the device for some reason. The dpad/directional buttons, right analog stick, plus/minus, and ZL/ZR appear to be missing, which makes this not a Switch Lite or any kind of viable console. For that reason I thought it might be related to the Game & Watch systems, but it has a game card slot, so that can't be right.

My very serious conclusion is that this is the Switch Micro, a Switch the size of a single Joy-Con. There's no room for buttons or speakers, so those had to be moved to the bottom. The patent doesn't mention this, but I assume you'll be able to plug one of these into each rail on a normal Switch and have triple-screen gaming. Now, I hear you asking, won't your hands cover the screens on the Switch Micros when you're playing that way? The answer is yes. But that's never stopped Nintendo before.

 

[Deleted member 887]

So Nintendo has filed a patent with the World Intellectual Property Organization (WIPO) on 11/11/2022, for a device that seems to have a different button/connector layout to the current Switch model (e.g screenshot button on the top/bottom part of the unit)

I'm not sure translation is 100% correct, as the "Home Menu Button" seems to be positioned where the docking port is on the current system, so maybe "home" really means docked?

The description includes mention of connecting to an external monitor as a separate function, possibly on top. It also mentions making the "Home menu button" larger than the "screen capture" button so that uses don't make a mistake.

So yeah, looks like a patent for putting the buttons on the bottom to make the screen larger. Which would mean that it's a device where the home and screenshot buttons are only expected to be used when the device is in your hand. So it sounds like an alternate of the Switch Lite.

 

[Raccoon]

My very serious conclusion is that this is the Switch Micro,

before I kept reading I wholeheartedly agreed (oops). this seems to me like they were at one point interested in making a premium ultra-Lite that would be significantly more portable than even the Lite but could also connect to a TV. I imagine that physics is what stopped them

 

[LiC]

before I kept reading I wholeheartedly agreed (oops). this seems to me like they were at one point interested in making a premium ultra-Lite that would be significantly more portable than even the Lite but could also connect to a TV. I imagine that physics is what stopped them

Even if they were considering it, this patent isn't it. Button contacts don't take up a lot of space, and if you have room for the analog stick and face buttons in their normal places, you have room for the home and screenshot buttons and putting them on the bottom wouldn't make any sense. To play Switch games it would also need the left side face buttons and right analog stick, etc. Maybe they just aren't pictured in the diagrams, but that also contradicts the idea of having this weirdo new button layout where stuff has to be put on the bottom.

 

[Gamer_G]

MY HAT HAS BEEN THROWN INTO THE RING

 

[Disorientator]

For starters, we should establish that this is the prime example of the Nintendo patent rule. Whatever this is, it's not something we should expect to see released in the future.

Goes without saying.

I just stopped including that disclaimer as I feel it's/it should be common sense by now.

 

[Dakhil]

Although not explicitly related to Nintendo and Nvidia, RISC-V International's claim is certainly aggressive.

RISC-V Wants All Your Cores

It is not enough to want to dominate the world of CPUs. RISC-V has every core in its sights, and it's starting to take steps to get there.

semiengineering.com

 

[OctoSplattack]

Why wouldn't they?

They didn't "announce" Nintendo Switch until October 2016... When they revealed it.

Revolution had hardware details discussed at reveal, in fact it's not unusual.

Nowadays, revealing hardware but not the name, or vice versa, IS unusual. This isn't 2016's NX. This is Switch 2.

They acknowledged the existence of the console as the NX in 2015 and told us when it was releasing in April 2016. The reveal of the name and the hardware was October.
They announced the Wii U in April 2011 as their next generation system before revealing the hardware and name in June.
They gave us a press release for the Nintendo 3DS with a "temp" name that became the actual name, plus the main gimmick, in March 2010. We didn't see the actual handheld until June.
Iwata teased the Revolution at E3 2004, a year before they'd even show the hardware. We didn't get to know the name of the console for another year after that.

Over at Microsoft, we first learned about the Series X|S as Project Scarlett at E3 2019 in a long teaser video that didn't show the hardware. We didn't get to see hardware until December.

Over at Sony, the company officially acknowledged the PS5 in a financial report in April 2019. We got release date in October. Hardware specs in March 2020. Didn't get to see the console itself until June.

Announce that they're making new next-generation hardware -> reveal what the hardware looks like -> release the hardware

We're currently at a point where Nintendo hasn't even officially confirmed that new hardware is coming, with every interview sidestepping the question. They're going to just acknowledge its existence first. Maybe they'll just call it the next generation of Nintendo hardware. Maybe they'll give us the actual name. Maybe they'll say it will release by the end of the next fiscal year. Maybe they keep it vague until later. But regardless, I don't think we aren't going to see the hardware when they do that. They'll wait a little while longer. Bet on it.

 

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Although not explicitly related to Nintendo and Nvidia, the RISC-V Foundation's certainly being aggressive.

RISC-V Wants All Your Cores

It is not enough to want to dominate the world of CPUs. RISC-V has every core in its sights, and it's starting to take steps to get there.

semiengineering.com

"proprietary and mostly bad, poorly supported ISAs" isn't wrong. But I also wonder if moving to "one" ISA won't result in a twisty maze of extensions that's just as bad