StarTopic Future Nintendo Hardware & Technology Speculation & Discussion |ST| (Read the staff posts before commenting!)

[NintendoMariah]

Also there are 2 different product descriptions, and though the SAC one is likely still a mobile speaker (by a cursory google), those being shipped in relatively super low quantities is interesting.

Hmmmmmmmmm

 

[BreakAtmo]

Shit, between this and the Amiibos, it really does look to be happening, doesn't it?

I might finally be able to play Bayonetta 3!

 

[NintendoMariah]

So, should i light up the rally fire for Team ASAP + H1 2024?

If anything, i hope some outlets read the stuff from the last few pages here and will feel motivated to do their own reporting.
Feels like what's really just missing now is corroboration from someone like Eurogamer or VGC and so on.

I really think it’s all about to explode any moment now

 

[Bonejack]

If anything, part 2, the rumblings for a H1 2024 release get stronger with each new tidbit.

Imo.

 

[ns156]

Team H1 are gonna be enjoying their avatar bet wins shortly it looks like,

 

[Vash_the_Stampede]

Respectfully, while this is certainly possible, it makes no sense. The performance of SEC8N was never a secret, there would have been no reason to spend the millions to make a chip on that node just to then spend millions more to redesign it for a different foundry process without ever selling it.

I think at this point you understand my perspective and I understand yours. I also think we did a good job clarifying the interim points. So before we start going in circles, here is one last pitch

• Nintendo chooses Orin on 8N as the base for next Switch. This decision is likely made in 2018.
• At that point they know what 8N will cost, it’s power/performance/etc… as you say.
• Fast forward 3-4 years to the leak and T239 is still the only item on the roadmap
• But the console gaming market has changed a lot between 2018 and 2022-ish!
• One of Nintendo’s observations is the strong demand of its own hardware selling at $300 5-years after launch - no price cut! This never happened before. And the OLED at $350 is outselling the $300 Mariko.
• Sony and Xbox are also selling better than expect despite their $500 price (for top model)
• Also, in the 2018-2022 Nintendo has realized/admitted that Switch is underpowered
• So in 2022-ish, they realized that the momentum of the Switch gives them time to move to a better node.
• Maybe Nvidia pays for a portion of the cost too since they can sell a new version of Orin. Maybe not - but I think Nintendo can absorb the $100m-$200m in redesign cost through higher unit costs ($1-$2m), a lower cost per SOC through yield, etc…
• Better node also helps with performance which will help with 3rd party development and unit sales, and Nintendo makes money through the royalty income

 

[ziggyrivers]

That January Reveal, March blowout and May release is looking likely

Imagine if it launches a year after TOTK with a next gen patch for it

 

[Skittzo]

It's kind of hilarious and poetic karma that a bad leaker (Connor) led us to some fun discovers in the last 30 hours.

Thanks, bad leaker!

Edit: @P4bl0 remind me, when did the Hovi (Switch 1) devkits show up in shipment history? I don't have paid access like you do so I cannot see dates on one site - and the other site I've been using has dates but it cuts off (doesn't go back to 2016)

Hovi is not the code name for Switch 1 or Switch 1 devkits, it's the code name for Nintendo overall (the company) in regards to the Nintendo/Nvidia partnership.

Just thought that needed clarification.

 

[Z0m3le]

39 years old here.

I'm worried about my age because that means I'm only going to be able to see the Switch 3 or 4 at the most.

What?! You going to live to be 120 years old?

 

[lemonfresh]

im still #Team2024

 

[Chaotic Neutral]

Nintendo wanting some of that exclusive high-end headset money? (ie. Pulse) Hm, it's a possibility. Whether this type of speaker is usable for that - or these quantities being necessary for that type of accessory launch - are unknown.

That would be cool, too, but somehow it doesn't seem logical to launch that kind of a (then still unannounced) product months before a new console. I'd have thought that such a product, if it existed, would launch alongside or after a new console.

If it helps, i wasn't invited to the tall people club with my 181cm despite actually having the same problems that even taller people have.

Do I at least make that club at 190cm?

 

[ns156]

That January Reveal, March blowout and May release is looking likely

Imagine if it launches a year after TOTK with a next gen patch for it

And Master Mode. Criminal that they're trying to say no DLC without even including that. I'm not buying it.

 

[Estew]

Not a much better way to wake up than to see all this stuff getting posted about. What an exciting start to the day haha.

 

[Concernt]

It's kind of hilarious and poetic karma that a bad leaker (Connor) led us to some fun discovers in the last 30 hours.

Thanks, bad leaker!

Edit: @P4bl0 remind me, when did the Hovi (Switch 1) devkits show up in shipment history? I don't have paid access like you do so I cannot see dates on one site - and the other site I've been using has dates but it cuts off (doesn't go back to 2016)

As far as I'm aware, third parties got dev kits in March and April 2016, while Nvidia was sending DDK boards internally in January 2016.

"Hovi" is just the Nvidia codename for "Nintendo" as a whole, with "Iwoh" (not to be confused with Iowa) is a different code name referring to Hovi (Nintendo), since it's Hovi backwards with a W.

 

[ziggyrivers]

January reveals makes sense if they wanna capitalize on Holiday sales. Would explain the earlier than expected Holiday bundles

 

[Neoxon]

And now we have another rumor.

[Rumor] Switch 2 codenamed "NG", two SKUs, September 2024 release Rumor

The info comes from the same person that the past few months has provided The Snitch with details and screenshots of Rise of the Ronin, which he went on to post on his Discord channel. On top of that, he was also the one to inform The Snitch about the development of a God of War: Ragnarok DLC...

www.resetera.com

• September 2024 launch
• $450 for standard, $400 for digital-only
• NG is indeed the code name

 

[Bonejack]

Assuming the new stuff ends up 100% legit (and i think P4bl0 excuses me if i need another outlet confirming it too from their sources ^^), then i do think a 2023 announcement via PR might be possible.

And if it's 2024, it'll be a January announcement.

This stuff gives me the impression that Nintendo would be foolish to wait for late / H2 2024 and announce it accordingly late in 2024.
It would leak to infinity and beyond by that timeframes.

 

[Mirev]

And now we have another rumor.

[Rumor] Switch 2 codenamed "NG", two SKUs, September 2024 release Rumor

The info comes from the same person that the past few months has provided The Snitch with details and screenshots of Rise of the Ronin, which he went on to post on his Discord channel. On top of that, he was also the one to inform The Snitch about the development of a God of War: Ragnarok DLC...

www.resetera.com

• September 2024 launch
• $450 for standard, $400 for digital-only
• NG is indeed the code name

Sounds right. And great, I wanted a digital-only cheaper option.

 

[Hosermess]

I get that, but it goes from like 500 to 120k

That’s weird

There are 6 listings for the 31st, 3 for the 13th, and probably multiple for the 3rd as well. If you're producing a massive amount of products you're not going to wait to ship them all at once, or even wait for a nice round number to ship them. You'd probably make steady shipments of whatever you could manufacture within a certain time frame.

 

[ns156]

Didn't we already know from other respected names in here that the codename (that they know) is NOT NG?

Kinda calls into question everything else he's claimed.

 

[Bonejack]

I don't see Nintendo ever doing something that eliminates the need for retail presence, even if it's just a "secondary" sku.

Do I at least make that club at 190cm?

Yes! Congrats. Tell me how the clubhouse looks like!

 

[SoldierDelta]

And now we have another rumor.

[Rumor] Switch 2 codenamed "NG", two SKUs, September 2024 release Rumor

The info comes from the same person that the past few months has provided The Snitch with details and screenshots of Rise of the Ronin, which he went on to post on his Discord channel. On top of that, he was also the one to inform The Snitch about the development of a God of War: Ragnarok DLC...

www.resetera.com

• September 2024 launch
• $450 for standard, $400 for digital-only
• NG is indeed the code name

I wonder who that handsome devil is?

I made it clear in the post that it's a rumour that I've heard, however this lines up with a lot of the rumours that are going around especially earlier in this famiboard chat.

Feel free to leave insults by the door, I'm aware what god-forsaken spark I've made.

 

[Concernt]

That January Reveal, March blowout and May release is looking likely

Imagine if it launches a year after TOTK with a next gen patch for it

I can't say I agree at all. With manufacturing appearing to barrel ahead, and Nintendo liking to reveal before or with mass production to avoid factory leaks of a dire nature. Plus the "random" Amiibo restocks and existing rumours and reports from companies claiming production this year, a reveal this year, either this month or next, seems far more likely than January.

 

[Concernt]

And now we have another rumor.

[Rumor] Switch 2 codenamed "NG", two SKUs, September 2024 release Rumor

The info comes from the same person that the past few months has provided The Snitch with details and screenshots of Rise of the Ronin, which he went on to post on his Discord channel. On top of that, he was also the one to inform The Snitch about the development of a God of War: Ragnarok DLC...

www.resetera.com

• September 2024 launch
• $450 for standard, $400 for digital-only
• NG is indeed the code name

Damn, obvious fake.

 

[pelusilla6]

And now we have another rumor.

[Rumor] Switch 2 codenamed "NG", two SKUs, September 2024 release Rumor

The info comes from the same person that the past few months has provided The Snitch with details and screenshots of Rise of the Ronin, which he went on to post on his Discord channel. On top of that, he was also the one to inform The Snitch about the development of a God of War: Ragnarok DLC...

www.resetera.com

• September 2024 launch
• $450 for standard, $400 for digital-only
• NG is indeed the code name

Prices, SKUs and dates 1 full year ahead?

Nah

Note: Nothing against this dude

 

[PandaAndino]

amazing @P4bl0 thnx you. Im keeping my may 24 2024 release day prediction.

 

[monkeygotyou]

And now we have another rumor.

[Rumor] Switch 2 codenamed "NG", two SKUs, September 2024 release Rumor

The info comes from the same person that the past few months has provided The Snitch with details and screenshots of Rise of the Ronin, which he went on to post on his Discord channel. On top of that, he was also the one to inform The Snitch about the development of a God of War: Ragnarok DLC...

www.resetera.com

• September 2024 launch
• $450 for standard, $400 for digital-only
• NG is indeed the code name

I thought NG was a fake codename to snuff out the fake leakers

 

[Mirev]

September 24th is a Tuesday, not happening

 

[MadMarvainy]

When did we first catch wind of the NG code name? It wasn't the T239 leak was it?

EDIT: nvm, I think NG was just something we all just decided to start calling it.

 

[RailWays]

And now we have another rumor.

[Rumor] Switch 2 codenamed "NG", two SKUs, September 2024 release Rumor

The info comes from the same person that the past few months has provided The Snitch with details and screenshots of Rise of the Ronin, which he went on to post on his Discord channel. On top of that, he was also the one to inform The Snitch about the development of a God of War: Ragnarok DLC...

www.resetera.com

• September 2024 launch
• $450 for standard, $400 for digital-only
• NG is indeed the code name

1. Not sure Nintendo would bother with dual SKU again
2. I feel like there is too much lacking context for the supposed leaker here for me to buy into what they're supplying. The date they provide is extremely odd as well (Tuesday?)
3. "NG" is codename seems guessable enough considering we have previous communication via CMA documents referring to it as such.

 

[P4bl0]

Can you try some searchs about screens?

Hopefully something is there

Yeah I'm on it, please send me the company names you want me to look for screens

And now we have another rumor.

[Rumor] Switch 2 codenamed "NG", two SKUs, September 2024 release Rumor

The info comes from the same person that the past few months has provided The Snitch with details and screenshots of Rise of the Ronin, which he went on to post on his Discord channel. On top of that, he was also the one to inform The Snitch about the development of a God of War: Ragnarok DLC...

www.resetera.com

• September 2024 launch
• $450 for standard, $400 for digital-only
• NG is indeed the code name

Fake we had notable users confirming NG is not the code name.

 

[lemonfresh]

And now we have another rumor.

[Rumor] Switch 2 codenamed "NG", two SKUs, September 2024 release Rumor

The info comes from the same person that the past few months has provided The Snitch with details and screenshots of Rise of the Ronin, which he went on to post on his Discord channel. On top of that, he was also the one to inform The Snitch about the development of a God of War: Ragnarok DLC...

www.resetera.com

• September 2024 launch
• $450 for standard, $400 for digital-only
• NG is indeed the code name

Yeah sounds about right, going to start saving now

 

[Hosermess]

Prices, SKUs and dates 1 full year ahead?

Nah

Note: Nothing against this dude

This. Sony source knows Nintendo's deepest darkest plans? Skeptical.

 

[Skittzo]

I think at this point you understand my perspective and I understand yours. I also think we did a good job clarifying the interim points. So before we start going in circles, here is one last pitch

• Nintendo chooses Orin on 8N as the base for next Switch. This decision is likely made in 2018.
• At that point they know what 8N will cost, it’s power/performance/etc… as you say.
• Fast forward 3-4 years to the leak and T239 is still the only item on the roadmap
• But the console gaming market has changed a lot between 2018 and 2022-ish!
• One of Nintendo’s observations is the strong demand of its own hardware selling at $300 5-years after launch - no price cut! This never happened before. And the OLED at $350 is outselling the $300 Mariko.
• Sony and Xbox are also selling better than expect despite their $500 price (for top model)
• Also, in the 2018-2022 Nintendo has realized/admitted that Switch is underpowered
• So in 2022-ish, they realized that the momentum of the Switch gives them time to move to a better node.
• Maybe Nvidia pays for a portion of the cost too since they can sell a new version of Orin. Maybe not - but I think Nintendo can absorb the $100m-$200m in redesign cost through higher unit costs ($1-$2m), a lower cost per SOC through yield, etc…
• Better node also helps with performance which will help with 3rd party development and unit sales, and Nintendo makes money through the royalty income

The big problem with this is that T239 was always a large, powerful chip. If you're presenting the idea that they didn't think T239 was powerful enough so they decided to shrink it, that doesn't track because T239 having 12SMs won't change- the only thing that will change with a die shrink is the frequency it can be run at and the energy/heat it takes to do that.

If they had plans for a less powerful successor/pro chip then that was never T239. T239 being so large on SEC8NM doesn't make sense with the power curves we have for Orin/Ampere, so if they just wanted a moderate upgrade they could literally use a chip half the size (6SM rather than 12) to probably achieve a similar performance level for half the cost.

And now we have another rumor.

[Rumor] Switch 2 codenamed "NG", two SKUs, September 2024 release Rumor

The info comes from the same person that the past few months has provided The Snitch with details and screenshots of Rise of the Ronin, which he went on to post on his Discord channel. On top of that, he was also the one to inform The Snitch about the development of a God of War: Ragnarok DLC...

www.resetera.com

• September 2024 launch
• $450 for standard, $400 for digital-only
• NG is indeed the code name

We have people in this thread that know the code name, and we know for a fact NG is not it. So we can say confidently right off the bat this is false.

 

[Bonejack]

Also, as pointed out, release date, down to the day and price suggestions a year out is a big no no in every tech leak that is not a Google Pixel leak.

 

[Vash_the_Stampede]

I think at this point you understand my perspective and I understand yours. I also think we did a good job clarifying the interim points. So before we start going in circles, here is one last pitch

• Nintendo chooses Orin on 8N as the base for next Switch. This decision is likely made in 2018.
• At that point they know what 8N will cost, it’s power/performance/etc… as you say.
• Fast forward 3-4 years to the leak and T239 is still the only item on the roadmap
• But the console gaming market has changed a lot between 2018 and 2022-ish!
• One of Nintendo’s observations is the strong demand of its own hardware selling at $300 5-years after launch - no price cut! This never happened before. And the OLED at $350 is outselling the $300 Mariko.
• Sony and Xbox are also selling better than expect despite their $500 price (for top model)
• Also, in the 2018-2022 Nintendo has realized/admitted that Switch is underpowered
• So in 2022-ish, they realized that the momentum of the Switch gives them time to move to a better node.
• Maybe Nvidia pays for a portion of the cost too since they can sell a new version of Orin. Maybe not - but I think Nintendo can absorb the $100m-$200m in redesign cost through higher unit costs ($1-$2m), a lower cost per SOC through yield, etc…
• Better node also helps with performance which will help with 3rd party development and unit sales, and Nintendo makes money through the royalty income

And to make this conversation even more spicy, I will agree with I am a Hero Too and wager against NateDrake re: FF7

I think it launches within 6 months of Switch 2

 

[P4bl0]

Also for the MoneyDJ fans (and doubters)

JoyCon lads PixArt shipped 5 finalized circuit boards to Foxconn end of august, I wonder what could this be for.

 

[casualreader]

It's from Indian Import/Export Data.

"The guy in India" operates under Nvidia company name, HS codes not matching is not a big deal as they have the same meaning, just one is more explicit than the other, but the description is .

They have to name the product explicitly in case of customs package inspection and insurance, it's an official company doing this not a Mum shipping food to her son for christmas declared as clothes to dodge the customs VAT bill (true story)

Back to this. Don't want to be a buzzkiller so I'll say it just once. I see no such records in the - paid - database I consult. Have you given a link to your source that I missed maybe?
Although the HS codes (chapter 85 and 95) seem broadly in line with the product category (electronic components and videogames), I am very surprised the descriptions are that explicit. I mean reporters can use confidentiality even and appear in a special category if they want, with other classified trade (generally at the bottom of the chapter or in chapter 98-99).
Just putting it out there, as I don't want to say it is false information.

 

[Octavian]

We have people in this thread that know the code name, and we know for a fact NG is not it. So we can say confidently right off the bat this is false.

who knows the codename?

 

[Chauzu]

I’d be all in on an all digital Switch but we know it isn’t happening.

 

[ziggyrivers]

And now we have another rumor.

[Rumor] Switch 2 codenamed "NG", two SKUs, September 2024 release Rumor

The info comes from the same person that the past few months has provided The Snitch with details and screenshots of Rise of the Ronin, which he went on to post on his Discord channel. On top of that, he was also the one to inform The Snitch about the development of a God of War: Ragnarok DLC...

www.resetera.com

• September 2024 launch
• $450 for standard, $400 for digital-only
• NG is indeed the code name

Not two SKUs again

And Master Mode. Criminal that they're trying to say no DLC without even including that. I'm not buying it.

It wouldnt surprise me that they skipped on DLC because:
• TOTK was originally DLC for BOTW, and since they extrapolated that into a whole game, they may feel satisfied and what to work on something new;

• Nintendo NEEDS a next gen Zelda game ASAP. It’s possible there’s a small team working on additional content and the next gen patch

I don't see Nintendo ever doing something that eliminates the need for retail presence, even if it's just a "secondary" sku.

Word. Also, if digital PS5 sales are anything to go at, they’re not that stelar and a digital only Switch alongside a physical one feels redundant.

I can't say I agree at all. With manufacturing appearing to barrel ahead, and Nintendo liking to reveal before or with mass production to avoid factory leaks of a dire nature. Plus the "random" Amiibo restocks and existing rumours and reports from companies claiming production this year, a reveal this year, either this month or next, seems far more likely than January.

Good points. Maybe they’ll reveal soon, juat to reveal before leaks, the people will seemingly forget about it for a couple of months and then blowout in January.

 

[TomNookYankees]

And now we have another rumor.

[Rumor] Switch 2 codenamed "NG", two SKUs, September 2024 release Rumor

The info comes from the same person that the past few months has provided The Snitch with details and screenshots of Rise of the Ronin, which he went on to post on his Discord channel. On top of that, he was also the one to inform The Snitch about the development of a God of War: Ragnarok DLC...

www.resetera.com

• September 2024 launch
• $450 for standard, $400 for digital-only
• NG is indeed the code name

So I was half right about the BC being digital only then.

 

[darthdiablo]

Hovi is not the code name for Switch 1 or Switch 1 devkits, it's the code name for Nintendo overall (the company) in regards to the Nintendo/Nvidia partnership.

Just thought that needed clarification.

Regardless, I’m referring to entries that has “Hovi” in the description. It’s supposed “Iwoh” for Switch 2.

What was the dates of the entries with “Hovi” in those?

 

[Bonejack]

So I was half right about the BC being digital only then.

That's another thing Nintendo won't ever do.

It's either "full" BC (physical and digital up to ~98% of all Switch games) or simply no BC.

 

[Vash_the_Stampede]

If you're presenting the idea that they didn't think T239 was powerful enough so they decided to shrink it, that doesn't track because T239 having 12SMs won't change- the only thing that will change with a die shrink is the frequency it can be run at and the energy/heat it takes to do that.

Exactly. I think 12SM is enough and Nintendo realized they need to run it at a higher frequency, enabled by a better node.

 

[Hermii]

And now we have another rumor.

[Rumor] Switch 2 codenamed "NG", two SKUs, September 2024 release Rumor

The info comes from the same person that the past few months has provided The Snitch with details and screenshots of Rise of the Ronin, which he went on to post on his Discord channel. On top of that, he was also the one to inform The Snitch about the development of a God of War: Ragnarok DLC...

www.resetera.com

• September 2024 launch
• $450 for standard, $400 for digital-only
• NG is indeed the code name

Extremely skeptical, mostly because of the code name being NG, which was just used as a shorthand for Next Gen in an Activision mail. Nothing indicated that was an official code name.

 

[P4bl0]

Regardless, I’m referring to entries that has “Hovi” in the description. It’s supposed “Iwoh” for Switch 2.

What was the dates of the entries with “Hovi” in those?

 

[Shiba]

And now we have another rumor.

[Rumor] Switch 2 codenamed "NG", two SKUs, September 2024 release Rumor

The info comes from the same person that the past few months has provided The Snitch with details and screenshots of Rise of the Ronin, which he went on to post on his Discord channel. On top of that, he was also the one to inform The Snitch about the development of a God of War: Ragnarok DLC...

www.resetera.com

• September 2024 launch
• $450 for standard, $400 for digital-only
• NG is indeed the code name

If this product was being revealed by January then I would believe it, but if not then this is skeptical.

This happened the same thing with the NX even after the initial reveal and no one really got the price down as well.

 

[ziggyrivers]

Nintendo is almost finished cooking and we can see the smoke!

 

[Raccoon]

I know that part of the pricing difference between digital and physical models is the assumption that digital models will yield higher margins, but at point of sale how could cutting a tiny cartridge slot justify a 50 dollar difference?