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Suswave said:
there is literally physically no way in which a foldable screen can be immune to folding

like people with cash to burn decided they wanted to spend money on worse design because this shit is fundamentally disposable to them

I hate foldable screens and hate everything they stand for

slightly neat? sure, whatever, but the core principle cannot escape its own disdain

if Nintendo makes a console with a foldable screen, it’s a fuck you, plain and simple
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You speak my language, chief.
 
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MadMarvainy said:
I'm sorry but who is necrolipe? Also, I think 16GB was always the high guess, I am really hoping for 12GB.
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An indie journalist, who maintains a brazil based Nintendo news website. He is a user in this forum: @necrolipe. I wouldn’t consider him an “insider” as that term has lost its meaning nowadays, but let’s just say that he usually knows some things and chimes in from time to time.
 
kalosmani said:
Installing games isn't a big deal as long as you have 500gb minimum of internal storage. Most people don't play more that 4 games at once and 500gb iss plenty enough for at least 10 games minimum. Then of course you can expand with SD cards which are dirt cheap nowadays
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LuigiBlood said:
don't worry third parties are usually terrible with filesizes and would always do a big day one patch so you'll need a lot of storage anyway
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If you want to will that terrible future into existence with commentary like that, have at it. Some of us would rather not have to wait 40-180 minutes and micromanage their storage (or be forced to inflate the price of their hardware) to play a different game on an impulse, especially when we didn't have to the cycle before.
Giancarlo said:
realitic art style dont work with the Legend of Zelda franchise, Twilight Princess art style aged horribly compared to other art styles of the franchise.
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There was nothing realistic about Twilight Princess, nothing in the real world is that beige, brown and washed out.
 
Terrell said:
There was nothing realistic about Twilight Princess, nothing in the real world is that beige, brown and washed out.
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I agree, it's definitely more "realism" than other Zelda's but it's not realistic. And outside of higher resolution textures and polygon count that's probably the farthest Nintendo would go in terms of "realism" imo
 
YolkFolk said:
Here’s how Final Fantasy VII Remake looks on the PS4 Pro. Now imagine how Xenoblade could look.

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ika said:
But MSI won’t have that kind of money, time and manpower. also, they’re more focused on gameplay than FF teams that spends more money on graphics, realism and video sequences.

But yeah in any case Monolith showed that they’re wizards creating amazing worlds and fight choreographies, and more compelling characters, stories and lore than most FF games since probably X, not forgetting music so yeah, exciting times ahead.
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Giancarlo said:
Xenoblade Chronicles 4 will problaby look like Hi-fi Rush or the action RPG Monolith Soft is working since 2017, imagine a Legend of Zelda/Xenoblade Chronicles with this art style


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I don’t think so. Xenoblade 4 will most likely look like this:
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Xenoblade 3 already headed to that painterly look:
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Zelda will head that direction too but much less detail and more cartoony/whimsy.
 
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Terrell said:
If you want to will that terrible future into existence with commentary like that, have at it. Some of us would rather not have to wait 40-180 minutes and micromanage their storage (or be forced to inflate the price of their hardware) to play a different game on an impulse, especially when we didn't have to the cycle before.
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Not that long ago many still talked about how low the size of TOTK and many Nintendo games are compared to third parties. I did a snark comment about it, but frankly I don't have much hopes on third parties being good at managing sizes. You don't like that, and I don't like it either.
Personally games shouldn't be about 100 GB like some of them can be on other systems. The massive download times and storage management is something I don't miss from PC, Sony, Microsoft and that I barely have to even think about it on Switch and that's just a joy.

My comments won't make a future, that future is already now.
 
Multiverse said:
I don’t think so. Xenoblade 4 will most likely look like this:
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Xenoblade 3 already headed to that painterly look:
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Zelda will head to that direction too but much less detail and more cartoony.
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They did an amazing work with Wii U and XCX (even today is one of the best looking games on Nintendo systems in general with its own logical flaws), but they also are very happy with XC1-2-3 semi-anime look, I’m not sure they’ll depart from this unless they want to do XCX2 or some radical change…

who knows at this point, but I believe creating a game equivalent to FFVIIR graphically (that was what started this discussion) should require a radically bigger budget that Im not sure Nintendo would approve, probably more than seven years, adsorbing MSI Zelda team and even with this, the scope of the game would be smaller than your typical Xenoblade game (content, game systems, Npc and missions, sequences, probably even soundtrack, etc) because the visual aspect would take most of the effort. Not sure if that’s viable. Personally I wouldn’t like this I’d they have to choose between the two sides.

Their games are amazing already without S-E’s AAA pretension. Xeno-next will look incredible in RedactedDrake to be sure but it won’t be in that league because they’ll focus in story, content and gameplay first.
 
ika said:
They did an amazing work with Wii U and XCX (even today is one of the best looking games on Nintendo systems in general with its own logical flaws), but they also are very happy with XC1-2-3 semi-anime look, I’m not sure they’ll depart from this unless they want to do XCX2 or some radical change…

who knows at this point, but I believe creating a game equivalent to FFVIIR graphically (that was what started this discussion) should require a radically bigger budget that Im not sure Nintendo would approve, probably more than seven years, adsorbing MSI Zelda team and even with this, the scope of the game would be smaller than your typical Xenoblade game (content, game systems, Npc and missions, sequences, probably even soundtrack, etc) because the visual aspect would take most of the effort. Not sure if that’s viable. Personally I wouldn’t like this I’d they have to choose between the two sides.

Their games are amazing already without S-E’s AAA pretension. Xeno-next will look incredible in RedactedDrake to be sure but it won’t be in that league because they’ll focus in story, content and gameplay first.
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That's because realistic graphics were a mistake. I don't think they have to fear any significant production increase if they just keep iterating or evolving their current style
 
karmitt said:
How much do other consoles use?
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chocolate_supra said:
What I've seen people say is PS5 and Series S/X both use around 2-2.5GB for the OS
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XBox Series is 2.5GB (at launch), ps5 is 3.5GB (at launch).

Meaning 7.5GB for the series S, 13.5GB for the Series X and 12.5GB for the PS5.

The switch takes up almost a GB, ~907MB using the numbers LiC said above.

So it has ~3GB available for games, usually.


Though, maybe people should be more curious on what the relative OS footprint is in the storage :p


Series X: 1TB, 802GB usable
Series S: 512GB, 364GB usable
PS5: 825GB, 664 usable
Nintendo Switch: 32GB, 25.6GB usable iirc.

Though there’s discrepancies between GB and GiB. In any case, their OS are feature rich but are also huge. Switch is switch :p
 
So potential specs are starting too looks really good i.e 8 inch LCD,12GB RAM,512 GB Internal Memory, the last question is what nm process will be for SoC, im hope that Nvidia push them for 4N then we will have great clocks, TSMC is the best, Samsung foundry is shit
 
ReddDreadtheLead said:
XBox Series is 2.5GB (at launch), ps5 is 3.5GB (at launch).

Meaning 7.5GB for the series S, 13.5GB for the Series X and 12.5GB for the PS5.

The switch takes up almost a GB, ~907MB using the numbers LiC said above.

So it has ~3GB available for games, usually.


Though, maybe people should be more curious on what the relative OS footprint is in the storage :p


Series X: 1TB, 802GB usable
Series S: 512GB, 364GB usable
PS5: 825GB, 664 usable
Nintendo Switch: 32GB, 25.6GB usable iirc.

Though there’s discrepancies between GB and GiB. In any case, their OS are feature rich but are also huge. Switch is switch :p
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Im guess that PS5 Pro will stay with 16GB but it will be faster as we know from leaks GDDR6+, but they will add 4GB DDR5 for OS so 16 will be fully for Games
 
CypressFX said:


Newly teased rumor from Nick from XboxERA

Time stamp around 2:05


What could that even mean?
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people keep saying "digital only switch" but they miss the obvious: assets will increase in fidelity. all those 512x512 and 1024x1024 textures will balloon up to 4x in size. some 2048x2048 will be 4096x4096 even. I wouldn't be shocked if the next major Zelda is 30GB-40GB
 
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chocolate_supra said:
Primarily-physical owner here with a V1 Switch. What's yours doing exactly?
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I think maybe OLED Model has compromised fit and finish. I had years with a V1 with no problems to the fit and finish, so to speak, but on OLED Model, the bottom panel creaks and both the Game Card reader and Micro SD Card reader are a little unreliable compared to the original. I think they have looser tolerances.

If I dropped my OG Switch with a Game Card in it, it didn't complain. But my OLED Model can't be placed on a desk with too much vigor lest its Game Card slot stop reading, or the Micro SD card gets unseated.

These problems are definitely FLEETING, but as it ages (wow, two years of OLED Model, feels weird) they're getting more and more apparent. There's no Game Card it refuses to read- but every Game Card has the chance of it throwing a hissy fit.

Since I had began to notice this problem on my V1 before I traded it in, I had sort of assumed that by now they'd have to be worse, especially if the more premium OLED Model had the issues.

Though there is also the possibility that the problem is lack of use and not mechanical wear. I'm 90% digital and leave Game Cards in the slot for months on end, with problems only occuring when I swap games from it.
 
ILikeFeet said:
people keep saying "digital only switch" but they miss the obvious: assets will increase in fidelity. all those 512x512 and 1024x1024 textures will balloon 4x in size. some 2048x2048 will be 4096x4096 even. I wouldn't be shocked if the next major Zelda is 30GB-40GB
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Improved decompression (which we know it has) and modern techniques means that games don't necessarily have to get larger in proportion to their increased fidelity.
 
CypressFX said:


Newly teased rumor from Nick from XboxERA

Time stamp around 2:05


What could that even mean?
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(The video's time stamped.)

Shpeshal_Nick said that NateDrake and Video Games Chronicle saying that Nintendo's allegedly providing 512 GB of internal flash storage aligns with his rumour that Nintendo's looking to provide a digital only model of Nintendo's new hardware, because Nintendo has never provided large amounts of internal flash storage for Nintendo's consoles.

I don't think any stock should be put on Shpeshal_Nick's rumour, especially if Video Games Chronicle saying that physical games can be run via the Game Card Slot is accurate, and I don't think there are significant cost reductions removing the Game Card Slot.
 
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Concernt said:
Improved decompression (which we know it has) and modern techniques means that games don't necessarily have to get larger in proportion to their increased fidelity.
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even with compression, you still need a higher quality asset to render on screen. since you can compress all assets, you'll still end up with a larger file size, just smaller than a lightly compressed asset
 
ILikeFeet said:
people keep saying "digital only switch" but they miss the obvious: assets will increase in fidelity. all those 512x512 and 1024x1024 textures will balloon up to 4x in size. some 2048x2048 will be 4096x4096 even. I wouldn't be shocked if the next major Zelda is 30GB-40GB
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BOTW already used 2K textures
Not all of them of course but it has them

Sorry misread
Yeah they’ll probably get bigger
 
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MP! said:
BOTW already used 2K textures
Not all of them of course but it has them
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yea, I know. Xenoblade 3 uses some 2048x2048 textures as well for their characters (but not Xenoblade 2). that's why I said some, as at that resolution, you can get away with using them on a 4K screen. of course, it's based on use case. if it's a character texture sheet, they might not increase the size; but if it was an environmental trim sheet, then they'd benefit from increasing the resolution greatly
 
ILikeFeet said:
yea, I know. Xenoblade 3 uses some 2048x2048 textures as well for their characters (but not Xenoblade 2). that's why I said some, as at that resolution, you can get away with using them on a 4K screen. of course, it's based on use case. if it's a character texture sheet, they might not increase the size; but if it was an environmental trim sheet, then they'd benefit from increasing the resolution greatly
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Yeah I misread sorry
I fully expect texture sizes to increase as well
 
If there is one game that I would love to see a switch 2 patch, it would be pikmin 4. We finally got that digital foundry review, and technically speaking it's a beautiful game on the switch made on unreal engine real engine 4. I believe making a 4k patch for pikmin 4 should be easier to do compared to other Nintendo first party games. I can imagine 4k resolution using DLSS, 4k textures, RT shadows, lighting, or screen spaced reflections. Just to showcase the technical capabilities of the NG Switch. If Nintendo want to hit 4k resolution in some games 12 gb at minimum should be sufficient with the operating system taking no more than 1-2 gb of ram if Nintendo decided to add a few more features to the os. Even if the Switch 2 is somewhat weaker to the series s I believe developers wouldn't run into too many issues with the Switch 2 ram pool if it used 12 gb of ram compared to the series S smaller ram pool.

 
Quailman said:
If there is one game that I would love to see a switch 2 patch, it would be pikmin 4. We finally got that digital foundry review, and technically speaking it's a beautiful game on the switch made on unreal engine real engine 4. I believe making a 4k patch for pikmin 4 should be easier to do compared to other Nintendo first party games. I can imagine 4k resolution using DLSS, 4k textures, RT shadows, lighting, or screen spaced reflections. Just to showcase the technical capabilities of the NG Switch. If Nintendo want to hit 4k resolution in some games 12 gb at minimum should be sufficient with the operating system taking no more than 1-2 gb of ram if Nintendo decided to add a few more features to the os. Even if the Switch 2 is somewhat weaker to the series s I believe developers wouldn't run into too many issues with the Switch 2 ram pool if it used 12 gb of ram compared to the series S smaller ram pool.

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Whatever specs the Switch 2 has, Nintendo's 1st parties won't run into many issues and make the most out what's there.
 
ILikeFeet said:
that wouldn't be evidence at all. dev kits can have any amount of ram over the retail unit, even have the same amount. if there was 12GB of ram in the dev kit, that could mean 12GB in the retail unit or even 8GB
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Yep. At least in my segment it’s pretty common for dev units to have more flash and ram to run some resource hungry dev tools, some unstripped debug symbols(even though it isn’t the only way it’s convenient).
 
Vanillalite said:
There is a point where amount of generally used RAM has slowed down. It’s just been more about performance vs raw jumps in amounts.
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and Nintendo hasn't hit that yet with Drake's suspected performance. PS4/XBO definitely could have used more available ram, and with new rendering techniques like ray tracing, 8GB would hit the wall quite fast
 
10 would be the sweet spot IMO, but that’s not a common amount for the RAM we are talking these days. So 12 would be nice. I just want 8 for games that’s fast enough to not create a bandwidth bottleneck along with a few extra gigs for the OS.
 
Vanillalite said:
10 would be the sweet spot IMO, but that’s not a common amount for the RAM we are talking these days. So 12 would be nice. I just want 8 for games that’s fast enough to not create a bandwidth bottleneck along with a few extra gigs for the OS.
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10GB would only be possible here if there's 12GB total with 10GB for games. as far as we know, there is no 64-bit 2GB chip, so Nintendo can't do an 8GB chip and a 2GB chip
 
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