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but the suburbs aren’t the city!!

signed a staunch city-liver haunted by the suburbs
Focussed, not set!

I'm thinking the "town" in "Suburb Slide" would be denser but still customisable like New Horizons, but it's just a short walk or train ride in to the "city centre" which is denser but not customisable. Maybe let you choose between a home in the suburbs or an apartment in the city centre to start out.

(I'm also thinking more European suburb with shops and life and community and quick affordable public transport into the city centre, and less American suburbia with endless car focussed misery.)
 
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We had folks 3D printing a mock-up controller based on patents and even staging a photo to be like it was taken from a game development studio just to troll people who were speculating about NX. You really underestimate what folks with too much free-time can do.

Maybe you are right. I just have never seen a mid range phone with more than 10GB of ram.
You're right. But perhaps mid-range phones aren't the most fair comparison regarding RAM, as Switch had equivalent amount of RAM to 2017 Android flagships. Switch with 12GB or more, specially given next-year flagship phones (S24 series from Samsung, as they're the biggest) will start to have 12GB+ RAM, wouldn't be uncommon. But not only that, you can also look at SteamDeck, which is a device sold at $399 and has 16GB of LPDDR5 RAM, the same type which will be used for Switch 2. Not only that, but while Valve uses 4 RAM modules on the SteamDeck, Nintendo will only use 2 RAM Modules. That makes things even cheaper, as with the same amount of modules Valve use for a single SteamDeck, Nintendo will be able to supply/manufacture 2 consoles.
 
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We had folks 3D printing a mock-up controller based on patents and even staging a photo to be like it was taken from a game development studio just to troll people who were speculating about NX. You really underestimate what folks with too much free-time can do.
Not underestimating it, like said I think it is well done for what it is, not that it has to be real because of that.
 
Hopeful Expectations:
  • Messaging System on console
I was thinking about this, but if Nintendo is worried about the swapnote situation and wants to potentially prevent it from happening again, perhaps they can employ some messaging system that only functions with preselected phrases.


Like say this, you are playing Tears of the Kingdom, you all know that little icon of “friend is online” and it shows what they are playing.

Let’s say you want to shoot them a message, you’d basically select a bubble that allows for (albeit limited) conversation with the other person:

This would be from a selection called “Multiplayer”


Player A has an interest in playing Mario Kart 8 with friend
Player A goes to friends and selects prompt “Multiplayer”
Player A sends a message that is preselected “Hey want to play [Insert game]?”, in this case it is MK8DX

Player B receives message
Player B has options available to select as a response:

“Yes I would like to play, I will hop on right now”
“No I cannot play right now”

Player A has a selected response to this:

“Ok, great!”
“Ok, we can play together next time!”

This depends on how the conversation goes.

That’s one scenario but enables albeit limited, safer communication between players at least for online components.


This next part is more difficult, and would require Nintendo do more effort to give ideas.

This would be a selection called “Interest”

Player A is interested in a game
Player A is able to see friend list of who has the game

Player C has the game in question
Player A initiated conversation with Player C about the game, topic selection: Interest

Player A selects the game and the bubble “would you recommend this?” To initiate conversation

Player C has received the message about the topic “Interest”
Player C is able to recommend from these:

“Yes” (and they can rate it to show how much they recommend it out of 5 stars)

“No” (can also rate it with why not from preselected representing their feelings of it)


This is a very rough idea, and I know some will say this is pretty half assed, but the whole emphasis is being the safest they can possibly be with no Swapnote fiasco while also still allowing some level of communication between players, and with the focus still remaining on the video games.

This can be expanded of course but it would I be small messages to just allow enough to “talk” to others.

Though I’m unsure what it can be expanded with but it’s open for ideas.

Maybe sharing photos of the game you are playing on your friend list timeline? With the Yeah option for others to contribute and maybe some pre-selected “wow!” Or “that’s awesome” or “so cool!” phrases if you want to “comment” on your friends photos from games.

The one part they’d have to do is accommodate the massive amounts of languages that exist.

I’m if the opinion that discord is better for this stuff anyway, better than consoles.

Also bring back Miiverse for some wider community sharing you cowards!
 
Minimum Expectations:
  • All the features NSO currently has
  • Increased maximum number of videos that can be saved (currently there is a 1000 video limit even when there's more space available)
  • Some actual music on the e-shop channel and NSO channel
  • E-shop reworked to something that doesn't constantly stutter and lag
  • Friend messaging feature through the phone app

Hopeful Expectations:
  • Messaging System on console(?)
  • Achievement System
  • 3DS/DS NSO
  • Return of 3DS style Themes

Pipe-dream expectations:
  • Return of Miiverse
  • Web Browser
  • Gamecube/Wii NSO
  • PC Engine NSO
  • Return of Virtual Console purchasing options
That’s what I think my expectations are. Everything struck through is not happening for one reason or another. Underlined will probably happen given time. And, messaging may just be integrated with Discord if that ever becomes a thing.
 
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IIRC he made a serious post about "welfare queens" under the guise of sorta explaining why his parents voted red or something, but it came off as extremely ignorant and offensive on his end too.

Thanks Skittzo, just thinking about this in 2023 left me dazed and confused.
 
I was thinking about this, but if Nintendo is worried about the swapnote situation and wants to potentially prevent it from happening again, perhaps they can employ some messaging system that only functions with preselected phrases.


Like say this, you are playing Tears of the Kingdom, you all know that little icon of “friend is online” and it shows what they are playing.

Let’s say you want to shoot them a message, you’d basically select a bubble that allows for (albeit limited) conversation with the other person:

This would be from a selection called “Multiplayer”






“Yes I would like to play, I will hop on right now”
“No I cannot play right now”



“Ok, great!”
“Ok, we can play together next time!”

This depends on how the conversation goes.

That’s one scenario but enables albeit limited, safer communication between players at least for online components.


This next part is more difficult, and would require Nintendo do more effort to give ideas.

This would be a selection called “Interest”









“Yes” (and they can rate it to show how much they recommend it out of 5 stars)

“No” (can also rate it with why not from preselected representing their feelings of it)


This is a very rough idea, and I know some will say this is pretty half assed, but the whole emphasis is being the safest they can possibly be with no Swapnote fiasco while also still allowing some level of communication between players, and with the focus still remaining on the video games.

This can be expanded of course but it would I be small messages to just allow enough to “talk” to others.

Though I’m unsure what it can be expanded with but it’s open for ideas.

Maybe sharing photos of the game you are playing on your friend list timeline? With the Yeah option for others to contribute and maybe some pre-selected “wow!” Or “that’s awesome” or “so cool!” phrases if you want to “comment” on your friends photos from games.

The one part they’d have to do is accommodate the massive amounts of languages that exist.

I’m if the opinion that discord is better for this stuff anyway, better than consoles.

Also bring back Miiverse for some wider community sharing you cowards!
I mean Dark Souls did more or less that and we still wound up with "try tongue but hole" or whatever.
 
Hey guys, can someone give me a more detailed explanation on why Ampere's cache is such a problem? i have been trying to look into it on my own time but I can't find anything worth reading
Basically the gist is that Ampere needs to be well feed with data, otherwise it ends being sub-utilized and stall. More cache means more bandwidth available. But @Alovon11 can explain this more in-depth.
 
Hey guys, can someone give me a more detailed explanation on why Ampere's cache is such a problem? i have been trying to look into it on my own time but I can't find anything worth reading
There’s nothing really wrong with Ampere and its cache. i think the conversation is about the comparison of Ampere and it’s caches vs RDNA2 and it’s robust and large cache system.

Which nvidia went with a large cache system for Lovelace while keeping a similar uArch to Ampere. They could have opted for doing much, much faster memory but it would have been very costly, would have produced a lot of heat, or been very, very power hungry in the immediate. So the large cache of Lovelace helps offset this despite using the power and heat hungry GDDR6X on the high end cards.

The closest card in terms of SM count out right now is the 4080, who has ~37% higher TFLOP, 7% less SMs, ~10.6x the L2 cache that is also clocked ~47% higher (as the GPU is clocked ~47% higher), but does have about 30% less memory bandwidth from the GDDR6, all that and the 4080 is “only” about 30% faster when it’s all said and done with games.


The L2 does help though, don’t get me wrong.
 
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This is what I tried to explain to you, some other users on the thread tried to recreate that page, but without having the original Switch access rights it's impossible. Maybe my tone wasn't correct, apologies.

Could still be a Switch Dev approved by Nintendo wasting time faking this, but there is also the thin possibility it's legit




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I mean Dark Souls did more or less that and we still wound up with "try tongue but hole" or whatever.
In fairness, you cannot expect to be successful and not have a legendary meme come out of it. Nintendo cannot avoid this if they want to be successful, if they do they can kiss their business goodbye🤭
 
Honestly the fact that there isn't a single game (that I know of) that will refuse to run from SD card (on Deck or otherwise) really says to me that while faster might be nice, it's not in the slightest bit needed.
will be interesting to see more games that demand ssds on SD

Maybe you are right. I just have never seen a mid range phone with more than 10GB of ram.
well, phones are literally built different. we moved away from phones having a separate die for ram. now ram is stacked on top of the SoC, so the fabrication of the chip and memory happen at the same time. Drake won't be like this since it has room to spare. it's gonna more resemble a laptop, which can have 10GB of LPDDR5 (not that they do though)
 
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Christ. It was me, the fucker was reposting. I've privately spoken with Nintendo Prime before - he asked permission to use some of my posts before as basis for this big tech video - and he was well aware that I had some industry contacts and that folks could get in trouble.

What a gigantic fucking toolbox.

Fortunately, there is no information I've shared in HIDE tags that I'm really worried about getting out there, but the notion that he's actively burning the community around him for views.
 
Which nvidia went with a large cache system for Lovelace while keeping a similar uArch to Ampere. They could have opted for doing much, much faster memory but it would have been very costly, would have produced a lot of heat, or been very, very power hungry in the immediate. So the large cache of Lovelace helps offset this despite using the power and heat hungry GDDR6X on the high end cards.
Second Gen GDDR6X as seen in Lovelace has actually been documented to draw half the energy of the original, bringing it more in line with regular GDDR6 in power draw, so power draw really isn't the issue. The reason Nvidia simply doesn't spam more bus-width is due to the fustercluck of engineering that would be implementing a bigger than 384-bit bus on a modern substrate (which I don't really see being a thing until say Blackwell, where it will desperately need whatever bandwidth it can get), hence why we see AD102 with an 384-bit + 96MB L2 config. This of course translated in Lovelace having a smaller memory controller per die (AD103 -> 256-bit, AD104 -> 192-bit, AD106 -> 128-bit) as Nvidia deemed the increase in L2 enough to mitigate bandwidth requirements.
 
Christ. It was me, the fucker was reposting. I've privately spoken with Nintendo Prime before - he asked permission to use some of my posts before as basis for this big tech video - and he was well aware that I had some industry contacts and that folks could get in trouble.

What a gigantic fucking toolbox.

Fortunately, there is no information I've shared in HIDE tags that I'm really worried about getting out there, but the notion that he's actively burning the community around him for views.
its unfortunate, but i remember a similar kind of circus atmosphere around NX reveal 8 years ago.

If it's any comfort, i do think we're fully in the 'real' transition period now where there will be legitimate leaks coming out.
 
Thats a lot of effort for a fake.. how would he even knows about the right icons without access? Idk seems fishy

I might be gullible on some points, but I can smell shit when it stinks
Unless they are someone with access to the current Nintendo Switch Dev Kit. Then it is the easiest thing to fake. Literally copying menu item and changing the text. Done in 10 seconds. Not saying there is not a tiny tiny chance, but when you consider that devs of such great games as "Calculator for Nintendo Switch" have access to it, it‘s very possible that it was some random person with a dev kit who dosen‘t give a fuck.
 
Unless they are someone with access to the current Nintendo Switch Dev Kit. Then it is the easiest thing to fake. Literally coping menu item and changing the text. Done in 10 seconds. Not saying there is not a tiny tiny chance, but when you consider that devs of great games like "Calculator for Nintendo Switch" have access to it, it‘s very possible that it was some random weird Switch Dev.

Yes that's a possibility, another possibility is only the people with NX2 granted access can see it on the dropdown (cf my screenshot with the dev only being able to see 3DS and Wii U) , which would dramatically reduce the amount of devs with access to it

Interesting comments from Reddit

I work at a games publisher and do not have this option available. Either it’s fake, or it’s a specific dev privy to NX2 stuff in advance in which case them leaking it is incredibly interesting and… risky.


But to even be on that page in the first place, you would have to be a developer with access rights. This is a "If you're on this page, Nintendo knows who and where you are" kind of page
Either it's a fake, meaning a developer just broke a major NDA to create a fake leak....or it's real and a developer broke their NDA to reveal it (or someone hacked the server, which is what happened last time)
 
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Second Gen GDDR6X as seen in Lovelace has actually been documented to draw half the energy of the original, bringing it more in line with regular GDDR6 in power draw, so power draw really isn't the issue. The reason Nvidia simply doesn't spam more bus-width is due to the fustercluck of engineering that would be implementing a bigger than 384-bit bus on a modern substrate (which I don't really see being a thing until say Blackwell, where it will desperately need whatever bandwidth it can get), hence why we see AD102 with an 384-bit + 96MB L2 config. This of course translated in Lovelace having a smaller memory controller per die (AD103 -> 256-bit, AD104 -> 192-bit, AD106 -> 128-bit) as Nvidia deemed the increase in L2 enough to mitigate bandwidth requirements.
That’s true, I forgot about the space issue and it was staring me right in the face! This also, funnily enough, should reduce the cost of creating the silicon as it doesn’t have to be big or as complex to have say, 512b interface. AMD had a card with 512b interface before and that was a flop…. I think it was the Vega cards, but can’t remember off the top of my head.

And I thought that aspect of 6X G2 was only when it was matching the speeds of the 6 memory?


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Yes that's a possibility, another possibility is only the people with NX2 granted access can see it on the dropdown (cf my screenshot with the dev only being able to see 3DS and Wii U) , which would dramatically reduce the amount of devs with access to it

Interesting comment from Reddit
That anyway. If it was a real leak then "NX 2" would definitely be visible only to some specific publishers. Or do you really think they would just give it just like this to 1000s of people? Like said, if it was a Switch Publisher/Dev it would have been super easy to fake for them.
 
That anyway. If it was a real leak then "NX 2" would definitely be visible only to some specific publishers. Or do you really think they would just give it just like this to 1000s of people? Like said, if it was a Switch Publisher/Dev it would have been super easy to fake for them.

Yup you're correct. But they would still be breaking their NDA for some 4chan clout
 
Yup you're correct. But they would still be breaking their NDA for some 4chan clout
Though it would almost impossible to know who it was for Nintendo with how little that screenshot is showing. It could have been some random guy at Micros - Let‘s just say it: It was Phil Spencer.
 
That’s true, I forgot about the space issue and it was staring me right in the face! This also, funnily enough, should reduce the cost of creating the silicon as it doesn’t have to be big or as complex to have say, 512b interface. AMD had a card with 512b interface before and that was a flop…. I think it was the Vega cards, but can’t remember off the top of my head.

And I thought that aspect of 6X G2 was only when it was matching the speeds of the 6 memory?


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The last consumer 512-bit card to my recollection was Grenada in the form of GCN2, which itself was a refresh of Tonga. Tonga itself held up pretty well considering how badly time has treated Kepler alongside of the huge 8GB framebuffer (as seen in its later refresh in the form of Grenada), but Kepler is kind of notorious as one of the worst aging architectures in general, soooooooo not really saying much is it?
 
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Christ. It was me, the fucker was reposting. I've privately spoken with Nintendo Prime before - he asked permission to use some of my posts before as basis for this big tech video - and he was well aware that I had some industry contacts and that folks could get in trouble.

What a gigantic fucking toolbox.

Fortunately, there is no information I've shared in HIDE tags that I'm really worried about getting out there, but the notion that he's actively burning the community around him for views.

The selfishness of others never ceases to astound me. For what? Something so trivial as internet clout? Views? It's so pathetically sad a notion I can't help but laugh maniacally.

People like that are sad, honestly. Just sad, nothing more to it than that.
 
The selfishness of others never ceases to astound me. For what? Something so trivial as internet clout? Views? It's so pathetically sad a notion I can't help but laugh maniacally.

People like that are sad, honestly. Just sad, nothing more to it than that.

YouTubers can be some of the most thirsty people I have ever seen.
 
The last consumer 512-bit card to my recollection was Grenada in the form of GCN2, which itself was a refresh of Tonga. Tonga itself held up pretty well considering how badly time has treated Kepler alongside of the huge 8GB framebuffer (as seen in its later refresh in the form of Grenada), but Kepler is kind of notorious as one of the worst aging architectures in general, soooooooo not really saying much is it?
Actually? Yes!


512b for 384GB/s


But the highest being the HBM based cards, like the Radeon R9 Fury X (but there’s not much they can do because it’s HBM)
 
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Christ. It was me, the fucker was reposting. I've privately spoken with Nintendo Prime before - he asked permission to use some of my posts before as basis for this big tech video - and he was well aware that I had some industry contacts and that folks could get in trouble.

What a gigantic fucking toolbox.

Fortunately, there is no information I've shared in HIDE tags that I'm really worried about getting out there, but the notion that he's actively burning the community around him for views.
This is why certain things are never worth sharing. I share select info I have with a select few on here in private, knowing full-well they'll never repeat it elsewhere (plus, they have no YT or outlets to report the info on). What they share with me stays private and if they want to cross-check their own info against mine, we can do so in a professional manner. If either side wanted to share a bit of the info discussed, we discuss what can/should be shared and how it can be conveyed. Otherwise, none is mentioned.

Trying to serve the community amidst of sea of sharks will only serve to get you bit by one of them.
 
Do we have any idea if they have any sources or where else their information would be coming from.

Why do we care what she has to say on non-data mining stuff.

She is one of the most reputable leaker in the industry, and has been there for a while, she leaked NX update on Dev Portal 1 month before Switch reveal.

She has clearly inside sources outside of datamining.
 
This is why certain things are never worth sharing. I share select info I have with a select few on here in private, knowing full-well they'll never repeat it elsewhere (plus, they have no YT or outlets to report the info on). What they share with me stays private and if they want to cross-check their own info against mine, we can do so in a professional manner. If either side wanted to share a bit of the info discussed, we discuss what can/should be shared and how it can be conveyed. Otherwise, none is mentioned.

Trying to serve the community amidst of sea of sharks will only serve to get you bit by one of them.
I appreciate that. Like I said, I've gone out of my way to avoid topics of conversation here where I didn't have inside info, but it was close enough to a colleague's work that someone might (wrongly) think I did and get them in trouble. So I'm mostly consequence free on that part.

What ticks me off in this especial case is that he knew how to ask me. But he didn't, not because he was worried I'd say no, but because the factoid I was sharing was so monumentally minor, he could only milk a video out of it by making it look like he snuck something out of a Trusted Source. Which means out there are just normal fans getting hyped who he is using me to mislead.

Not to make a slight tangent, but - I never considered myself a Nintendo fan. I grew up too poor to play video games, only getting to play the original NES Zelda when my dad went to visit a buddy of his who had a NES wired up in a corner. It would be 20 years before I got to college and had friends introduce me to Link to the Past on down. Then Switch arrived and fit into my actual adult life, and suddenly I could play games again, but I barely knew how to make the dang camera move.

But I knew how hardware and software works, and so stumbled into this thread's predecessor, and you all have turned me onto a bunch of cool shit, and made me into a gamer. Ya'll gave me Zelda back, and that's fucking awesome. So maybe I'm not a Nintendo fan yet (Zelda fan yes), but I'm definitely a fan of this community. So if I did see a way to serve, I'm down!

This guy taking advantage of that just to get fewer clicks than a random Tik Tok video of feet is... aggravating.
 
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