• Hey everyone, staff have documented a list of banned content and subject matter that we feel are not consistent with site values, and don't make sense to host discussion of on Famiboards. This list (and the relevant reasoning per item) is viewable here.

StarTopic Future Nintendo Hardware & Technology Speculation & Discussion |ST| (New Staff Post, Please read)

If it didn't work with the PS5, it's not gonna work if the PS6 is $700. Come to think of it, were there any reports of the PS3 being scalped? That thing was $600 at launch!
PS3 may have been sold higher than retail during launch week but then people realized stock wasn't hard to come by. My GameStop had PS3 in stock a few days after launch and maybe sold 1 a week. Price was too high, Xbox 360 had games like Gears of War launch the same month, and the Wii dominated conversation and interest. People would stalk the UPS truck to my GameStop location and wait for me to open a box in hopes a new shipment of Wii arrived. Even when I told them my log showed no Wii incoming, they'd wait to be sure.

The most PS3 we sold in a single day before the end of 2006 was 3 and it was to some guy who had a stolen credit card.
 
If anyone wants a real good clear image why I'm immediately against: First off, raising prices won't discourage scalpers, doesn't. Second, all it does is price out families and low income household/individuals. I'm already priced out of this generation as it is, I don't need Nintendo to further get in on this. Bad enough they're doing $70 games.
 
0
Relating to the launch of NX2 - something I've always wondered is... why don't companies make launch consoles more expensive to deter scalpers and make more money? I can't understand why they don't do this, but I'm sure there must be some reason.
Because it wouldn't work? The only price at which scalpers would bail out is the one where scalpers make no money. In other words, Nintendo would have to raise prices to the same price as the scalpers - what has Nintendo achieved? The same people who couldn't get a console at $600 will still not be able to get a console at $600.

Scalpers are just a product of the supply/demand curves being out what. Econ 101, supply goes down with demand remaining constant, price goes up. At launch, there simply isn't a lot of supply, and demand is at it's peak. The "natural market price" of the console is much much higher than the price Nintendo sets.

Scalpers don't reduce supply, they just shift supply from a cost controlling group (Nintendo, the retail store) to a group that would charge the market price. Nintendo setting the cost to that price would not magically increase supply. All the people who struggle to get a console at launch? They'd still struggle to get it, they'd just struggle to get it from Nintendo directly (because it's out of their price range) instead of struggling to get it from a scalper.

Now, the imminent price decrease might also decrease demand at launch, which would bring that "natural market price down" - but that would either suppress demand permanently (as the system fails to take hold) thus damaging the product, or simply shift demand to later in the cycle, where the scalpers would step in and the process would resume.

Practically speaking, Nintendo could never get retailers to do it. Retailers won't fork out the 600 asking price for the stock at launch, and if they do, they won't accept a giant 30% markdown on their existing stock. So this kind of manipulation isn't possible unless you (like, say, Apple) own the retail front end as well.
 
On second thought, that data might be a bit skewed towards kids lying about their age (we've all done it before).

The below image is from 2021.
20230706_150537.jpg

Switch was released 2017, so maybe also just people who put in 18 on time of account creation!?
 
Practically speaking, Nintendo could never get retailers to do it. Retailers won't fork out the 600 asking price for the stock at launch, and if they do, they won't accept a giant 30% markdown on their existing stock. So this kind of manipulation isn't possible unless you (like, say, Apple) own the retail front end as well.
To that end, Apple doesn't do that, because the price they set is a feature. Apple doesn't lower the price of older hardware unless it is introducing new hardware at the higher price point*. For example, the Mac Pro stays at its launch price long after the components no longer justify such a price (heck one could argue the new Mac Pro is in this position from day one).

*The only exception was the original iPhone, which Apple lowered in price when it was clear it was going to be a hit and their economies of scale allowed for a fundamental adjustment.
 
Because it wouldn't work? The only price at which scalpers would bail out is the one where scalpers make no money. In other words, Nintendo would have to raise prices to the same price as the scalpers - what has Nintendo achieved? The same people who couldn't get a console at $600 will still not be able to get a console at $600.

Scalpers are just a product of the supply/demand curves being out what. Econ 101, supply goes down with demand remaining constant, price goes up. At launch, there simply isn't a lot of supply, and demand is at it's peak. The "natural market price" of the console is much much higher than the price Nintendo sets.

Scalpers don't reduce supply, they just shift supply from a cost controlling group (Nintendo, the retail store) to a group that would charge the market price. Nintendo setting the cost to that price would not magically increase supply. All the people who struggle to get a console at launch? They'd still struggle to get it, they'd just struggle to get it from Nintendo directly (because it's out of their price range) instead of struggling to get it from a scalper.

Now, the imminent price decrease might also decrease demand at launch, which would bring that "natural market price down" - but that would either suppress demand permanently (as the system fails to take hold) thus damaging the product, or simply shift demand to later in the cycle, where the scalpers would step in and the process would resume.

Practically speaking, Nintendo could never get retailers to do it. Retailers won't fork out the 600 asking price for the stock at launch, and if they do, they won't accept a giant 30% markdown on their existing stock. So this kind of manipulation isn't possible unless you (like, say, Apple) own the retail front end as well.
And to expand on this: what we see retailers do is create "bundles" to sell high demand items for premium price. GameStop will attach a controller or some awful accessory, game or whatever to inflate the price a few hundred dollars.
 
23 is when you realized that those "mature" games you've been playing since you were 14 actually suck and you go back to what you were enjoying as kid because you don't give a shit about appearing mature anymore.
 
If it didn't work with the PS5, it's not gonna work, even if the PS6 is $700. Come to think of it, were there any reports of the PS3 being scalped? That thing was $600 at launch!

I remember watching ebay bids on launch night. They were easily in the $3-$4k range. Like @NateDrake said though, it was pretty clear almost immediately that the system wasn't that hard to find. Ebay prices crashed pretty quickly.
 
And to expand on this: what we see retailers do is create "bundles" to sell high demand items for premium price. GameStop will attach a controller or some awful accessory, game or whatever to inflate the price a few hundred dollars.
I posited a few pages back that Nintendo could entertain/emulate this approach by bundling accessories/software at launch in an easy to manage package that would effectively be a premium SKU w/o having to actually make another console. . . The negative to this approach is that it could annoy retailers and consumers.

I also posited that perhaps Nintendo could sell some quantity of units in an auction format and donate the proceeds to charity.

Realistically, Nintendo has nailed the real answer, more supply.
 
PS3 may have been sold higher than retail during launch week but then people realized stock wasn't hard to come by. My GameStop had PS3 in stock a few days after launch and maybe sold 1 a week. Price was too high, Xbox 360 had games like Gears of War launch the same month, and the Wii dominated conversation and interest. People would stalk the UPS truck to my GameStop location and wait for me to open a box in hopes a new shipment of Wii arrived. Even when I told them my log showed no Wii incoming, they'd wait to be sure.

The most PS3 we sold in a single day before the end of 2006 was 3 and it was to some guy who had a stolen credit card.
Oh my god I forgot how dire it was with the PS3
 
Relating to the launch of NX2 - something I've always wondered is... why don't companies make launch consoles more expensive to deter scalpers and make more money? I can't understand why they don't do this, but I'm sure there must be some reason.

For example, the Switch 2 will be sold out at launch. Barring a catastrophic development decision, we can pretty much guarantee this. Thus there will be scalpers, and an average selling price on the market above whatever the RRP is.

Why would Nintendo not sell the first 1m NX2's as "Launch editions", throw a commemorative coin and a poster in the box, print "x out of 1,000,000" on the back of the console and then mark it up $100? Then make another 2m "Early adopter editions" with just the poster (or whatever bit of tat you like) which are marked up $50 instead. And then from there just sell at the normal value. (All numbers can be adjusted as per their forecasts, obviously, I'm thinking of whatever they can sell in their first month)

This
a) Brings in another $200m (split between Nintendo and retail, of course, but still - that's 200 million dollars)
b) Discourages and reduces the profit margin of scalpers, who drive people mental with their BS
c) Gets your product into slightly wealthier hands earlier - as these are the fans who will be able to spend the most on software

When I saw the PS5 selling for an average price of $900 for an entire year with scalpers (10-15% of total sales, apparently) I couldn't help but think "Surely Sony must be raging at all this money they have left on the table?"

What is the argument against it? That social media blowback would be too severe? Social media has the memory of a goldfish. If the system and games are good it will sell. There are easily 3m Nintendo fans willing to pay another $50 or $100 imo.

Of course I expect this post to be about as welcome as a fart in a sauna.

My eyes are bleeding at people using NX2 because it was on that fake screenshot. The power of fake news.

I’m going to create my own fakes with various names to see if anyone here starts to repeat them.
 
Why doesn't Nintendo just outsource the sale of its consoles to another company with a great track record for handling large volumes of sales? Like, I don't know, how about Ticketmaster?

Because Nintendo has a record of selling incredible amounts of game consoles. They don’t need any help.
 
And to expand on this: what we see retailers do is create "bundles" to sell high demand items for premium price. GameStop will attach a controller or some awful accessory, game or whatever to inflate the price a few hundred dollars.

Yeah, in Spain until dec22 you could only buy a ps5 bundled with 3 games for +850€ and the stock only lasted minutes
 
XB1 launch was sullied by issues with the product itself. PS3 had an insane top-level price, end of story. $600 then is equal to $900 now. Imagine if the PS5 had launched at $900! Not comparable to a limited edition that'll last a month.
I mean, for people who want PSVR2, it’s not that far off 🫠🤭
Why doesn't Nintendo just outsource the sale of its consoles to another company with a great track record for handling large volumes of sales? Like, I don't know, how about Ticketmaster?
Well… because I don’t think they sell hardware :p

(And it’s probably the more expensive middleman)

I’m wondering when will Nintendo decide to move to selling them online worldwide more. But like, en masse. Apple Store let’s you buy directly from them for instance.

Maybe not anytime soon since they value a retail presence
We should be careful in the future regarding Nate and MVGs "Podcasts" xD



Bald is crazy😹
 
I mean, for people who want PSVR2, it’s not that far off 🫠🤭

Well… because I don’t think they sell hardware :p

(And it’s probably the more expensive middleman)

I’m wondering when will Nintendo decide to move to selling them online worldwide more. But like, en masse. Apple Store let’s you buy directly from them for instance.

Maybe not anytime soon since they value a retail presence

Bald is crazy😹
Maybe the Tensor Cores Power of the Switch 2 SoC went in this stuff 😂🤣
 
0
And to expand on this: what we see retailers do is create "bundles" to sell high demand items for premium price. GameStop will attach a controller or some awful accessory, game or whatever to inflate the price a few hundred dollars.
"Comes pre-scalped!"
 
0
Hi, I'm new. Do you think Nintendo is waiting until the Switch outsells the PS2 to announce the next console? I think it's very tempting for them to own the best-selling console of all time, and I'm sure announcing the Switch2 now would send Switch sales plummeting.

No. Because I don’t think Nintendo will stop shipping the current models for another couple of years. And they will still sell. And they will still be supported by 99% of Nintendo releases for years. No reason to not support them the way DLSS and the Drake SoC will work.

I would also not be surprised if Nintendo counts the new model as part of the Switch family hardware the way the Game Boy Color was counted as a Game Boy.
 
So I’m clearly out of the loop these past few months.

I’m assuming general speculation has been leading towards a Switch 2 rather than a new idea/gimmick for a console. Would I be correct in assuming that?

The Wii, DS, 3DS, WiiU, and Switch were all preceded by video game or other hardware progress that it made it reasonable to possibly project the special features these systems could use.

There's no realistic recent hardware stuff that could be useful for a Switch 2 so no one has any ideas and it seems very likely that Nintendo just uses a Switch 2 as there's no recent breakthroughs out there to use.
 
The Wii, DS, 3DS, WiiU, and Switch were all preceded by video game or other hardware progress that it made it reasonable to possibly project the special features these systems could use.

There's no realistic recent hardware stuff that could be useful for a Switch 2 so no one has any ideas and it seems very likely that Nintendo just uses a Switch 2 as there's no recent breakthroughs out there to use.

Is there like anything at all that could be helpful for a game console that has major gameplay or interaction features from the hardware? I really can't think of anything. ML is way better cloud-based for almost all things and VR/AR is way too expensive and far away.
 
Is there like anything at all that could be helpful for a game console that has major gameplay or interaction features from the hardware? I really can't think of anything. ML is way better cloud-based for almost all things and VR/AR is way too expensive and far away.
I could see ML used for interpreting motion inputs or camera inputs.
 
Sony tried to control the sale of PSVR2 at launch by only offering it on their own website, PSDirect. They did the same with some accessories like the Edge control. People hated it and begged for Amazon to sell the systems instead. It is a damned if you do, damned if you don't do.

For better or for worse, the current retail structure is the best method with launching new consoles.
 
Is there like anything at all that could be helpful for a game console that has major gameplay or interaction features from the hardware? I really can't think of anything. ML is way better cloud-based for almost all things and VR/AR is way too expensive and far away.
Have there been any recent improvements in easily mass produceable bluetooth/wifi technology that could make nintendo upgrade enough to do something like allow smartphones as controllers (not in the way that E12S does but rather a method where smartphones can connect directly to the console)?
 
So what kind of power levels we talking here if those are real?
Almost regardless of wattage, "Far more powerful than NX" :p
I know quite literally nothing about t23x performance characteristics, but the supposed ~30W docked mode could maybe be similar to the 30W mode on t234 (this isn't taking into account that t239 has 500 less cuda cores than t234).
 
Publishers selling their already costly consoles with a premium to “prevent scalpers” isn’t gonna do anything. Scalpers will scalp anyways. The end result could be an unnecessary barrier the consumer would need to hurdle over: an extra price tag
 
Have there been any recent improvements in easily mass produceable bluetooth/wifi technology that could make nintendo upgrade enough to do something like allow smartphones as controllers (not in the way that E12S does but rather a method where smartphones can connect directly to the console)?
bluetooth has progressed, yea, but that's not really the problem. poor antenna placement and nintendo cheapening out on wifi chips is the cause, not the protocol itself
 
So has there been any progression in cheap wifi chips?
I don't know. the protocol is the same regardless of how much you're spending. build quality isn't exactly something one could measure when there's 50 billion other factors that play into how good a wireless signal is

I Hope Nintendo bothers implementing AAC instead of SBC next time because Jesus Christ do my headphones keep crackling on switch
a lot of commonly used bluetooth codecs are under license and Nintendo isn't going to spend for that if they don't have to. the new bluetooth version are supposed to improve latency at least, so maybe they'll get a new bt/wifi chip
 
New intel from Nikki

Same Horizon OS as Switch 1 for the NG


Confirms how the Switch 2 chip performances will be reduced compared to the retail Nvidia Orin chip

A lot of cut back was talked here, no?

The T234 is a 8 mm chip with 4.1 Tflops, 204,8 GB/s bandwidth and consumes 50 W. The best specs people are imagine for T239 here is a 4 mm chip, 3.2 Tflop and 102 of bandwidth on docked mode. That chip will consume a lot less than the T234, like 20 W docked or less, no?

What other throwback she is thinking?
 
I may get hammered for this but as a daytrader, Free market is best market. (Let the jokes about USA having a free market commence)

I always had zero issue with scalping on principal. That said, If I had invested with any of those companies I would have been pissed. Not meeting demand is terrible thing from the company perspective. After PS5 launched and stock was hard to come by, I switched some stock away from Sony and more onto Nintendo because it was likely their financial guidance would be wrong. Covid sucked for everybody

Wrong estimates = Bad times for their stock price.
 
A lot of cut back was talked here, no?

The T234 is a 8 mm chip with 4.1 Tflops, 204,8 GB/s bandwidth and consumes 50 W. The best specs people are imagine for T239 here is a 4 mm chip, 3.2 Tflop and 102 of bandwidth on docked mode. That chip will consume a lot less than the T234, like 20 W docked or less, no?

What other throwback she is thinking?
it's gonna be less than 20W. Orin has a lot of other parts to facilitate its usage that Drake won't have
 
A lot of cut back was talked here, no?

The T234 is a 8 mm chip with 4.1 Tflops, 204,8 GB/s bandwidth and consumes 50 W. The best specs people are imagine for T239 here is a 4 mm chip, 3.2 Tflop and 102 of bandwidth on docked mode. That chip will consume a lot less than the T234, like 20 W docked or less, no?

What other throwback she is thinking?
Yes. We've gone very in-depth at the differences and cuts between T234 and T239. She probably doesn't know at all. Gosh, incredible that we worked this out by last year already and people outside here are still scrambling.

For everyone new at this thread, READ THE SUMMARY ON THE FIRST PAGE. SPECIALLY THE 2022 AND EARLIER PART.
 
And they will still be supported by 99% of Nintendo releases for years. No reason to not support them the way DLSS and the Drake SoC will work.

I would also not be surprised if Nintendo counts the new model as part of the Switch family hardware the way the Game Boy Color was counted as a Game Boy.

I can’t believe you’re still peddling this argument.

It would have been the case if we got a Pro 2-3 years ago but surely we’re looking at a proper next gen break? Of course, there will be some cross platform games but 99%? Not a chance and it won’t even be close to that in my view.

The goal with this hardware will be to sell as many units as they did the Switch and they won’t do that with 99% of their games on Switch 1 for years.
 
I posited a few pages back that Nintendo could entertain/emulate this approach by bundling accessories/software at launch in an easy to manage package that would effectively be a premium SKU w/o having to actually make another console. . . The negative to this approach is that it could annoy retailers and consumers.

I also posited that perhaps Nintendo could sell some quantity of units in an auction format and donate the proceeds to charity.

Realistically, Nintendo has nailed the real answer, more supply.
Last time Nintendo justified a higher price by piling on useless accessories was on Wii U, where it failed miserably, making both the Basic and Deluxe sets look like bad value.
 
"I know his source for this tweet, basically the source gave him fake info about devkits just now going out, ("final" hardware devkits have been going out for months, and been able to be built since August/September last year). Hours after this source shared the information with the "leaker" he tweeted that... He isn't validating his sources at all. We only should trust 1 source for all our hard facts, and that of course... is @10k

Right now information is going to be slow, production should be starting very soon if it does come out this year, but it should be this FY (ending exactly a year from now) however, I do think the end of this calendar year makes the most sense."


Y'all read just what y'all want

Please read then relax

This reminds of what @Z0m3le wrote... interesting 🤔🤔🤔

What does @10k know that we know about the redacted that we don't know. That's the question we should be asking!

In all seriousness, outside of what we know from the illegal Nvidia hacks and Linux kernal. Nintendo, really has no incentive to release the Redacted now nor do they feel the pressure to announce it early. The only real reason why the Switch was announced almost a year in advance was due to the Wii u failure. Nintendo needed to move off the dead platform, regain the investors confidence, and make money. If the switch only managed to sell 75 million units or less I think we would had seen a switch pro a couple years ago or a switch 2 last year.

While the switch hardware is dated, it's still selling well. What is the incentive for Nintnedo to move on from it?
dd0.jpg
 
My eyes are bleeding at people using NX2 because it was on that fake screenshot. The power of fake news.

I’m going to create my own fakes with various names to see if anyone here starts to repeat them.
It
Hidden content is only available for registered users. Sharing it outside of Famiboards is subject to moderation.
 
I can’t believe you’re still peddling this argument.

It would have been the case if we got a Pro 2-3 years ago but surely we’re looking at a proper next gen break? Of course, there will be some cross platform games but 99%? Not a chance and it won’t even be close to that in my view.

The goal with this hardware will be to sell as many units as they did the Switch and they won’t do that with 99% of their games on Switch 1 for years.
I agree 99% of first party games being crossgen for 1 year is unlikely. The sports and party games will be crossgen, Metroid Prime 4, the Peach game,...
 
It * Hidden text: cannot be quoted. *
We saw Drake, Dane, NVN2. No mention of NX2 anywhere else. AFAIK, every Nintendo hardware always got a new project name and wasn’t just a numbered version of its predecessors project name.
 
Is there like anything at all that could be helpful for a game console that has major gameplay or interaction features from the hardware? I really can't think of anything. ML is way better cloud-based for almost all things and VR/AR is way too expensive and far away.
Well, there's raytracing, it has that. There's always the constant march of progress re: transitive technology, which is why I continually sing the praises of, and hope beyond hope for, capacitive pressure sensitive shoulder buttons. Analogue input AND scrolling shoulder buttons, mama mia!
 
We saw Drake, Dane, NVN2. No mention of NX2 anywhere else. AFAIK, every Nintendo hardware always got a new project name and wasn’t just a numbered version of its predecessors project name.
Please use Hide tags when discussing and replying to information in Hide tags. 🙂

Hidden content is only available for registered users. Sharing it outside of Famiboards is subject to moderation.
 
Please read this new, consolidated staff post before posting.

Furthermore, according to this follow-up post, all off-topic chat will be moderated.
Last edited by a moderator:


Back
Top Bottom