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TomNookYankees said:
When they talk about the potential limitations of the Switch 2 are they saying "and that's why it can't quite be PS4/Steam-Deck performance" or am I mishearing it and it's just about why it can't reach ROG Ally performance? The latter would be expected but if they mean the former that's worrisome.
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Has DF been keeping up with the Drake leaks? It actually sounds like they haven't been.

Really odd for them unless they know something we don't.
 
Alovon11 said:
DF either not reading the information about Drake or just being purposely ignorant
Based on the most likely numbers Thraktor mentioned, Portable mode would most likely easily keep up and surpass the PS4 when accounting for the CPU being astronomically better and DLSS.

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Oldpuck's leaving #teamleapday? Guess I'll have to continue flying the flag solo. On the time of 18 to 24 months from sampling to release, I assume you're talking about the TX1 and the original Switch? If so, I don't think it's really comparable, as TX1 was already entering production...
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Do they not think Nintendo will use 4N (due to them not knowing/acknowledging how big Drake is?)
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They are (purposefully IMO) not really acknowledging the Drake leaks at all. They're kinda dancing around it by mentioning Orin and Ampere here and there but they seem to be specifically avoiding talking about that leak.
 
MadMarvainy said:
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I want 2023 so badly but I don't believe.
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You and me both sister
 
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NateDrake said:
This type of work can be done independent of being given any form of guidance.

I'm not saying there isn't any chatter of spec range or other details out there, either. The little I've heard this summer could all be accurate information on those topics but I don't have enough backing to have confidence in the info... at the moment.
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Can I ask if you heard anything about a distinctive feature of the console ? Understand you cannot say what it is but just that anything special is in there ? Thanks !
 
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Skittzo said:
They are (purposefully IMO) not really acknowledging the Drake leaks at all. They're kinda dancing around it by mentioning Orin and Ampere here and there but they seem to be specifically avoiding talking about that leak.
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Yeah, stolen data and all that....
 
PandaAndino said:
Not native english speaker, what does bruh mean with this context. Do you not believe what I say?, trolling? or you also have a busy day at work?
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It's basically slang for "Oh my God" and an improper way of saying "bro". It's used for emphasis.

Deleted the meaning of the other word. @GamerJM put it better. Use Urban Dictionary, folks. 😅
 
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PandaAndino said:
Not native english speaker, what does bruh mean with this context. Do you not believe what I say?, trolling? or you also have a busy day at work?
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Oh, I'm sorry. Bussy, uh, means something pretty vulgar and very different from busy. I probably can't say what since this forum seems to be PG-13, but google is your friend. "Bruh" meant "bro.....uh....."
 
Adulfzen said:
baseline PS4/XboxOne with a better CPU, DLSS and better loading is honestly the best way to envision the future device without setting yourself for unnecessary disappointment. It's fun to discuss best case scenario but people tend to get overexcited without envisioning the possible heating/battery issues that Nintendo would take seriously.
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All the Switch-like clones on the market are using AMD SoCs on x86 since they are laptop SoCs crammed in a switch-like casing, which isnt ARM and is a power hog.
So there will be more power to go to the rest of the SoC in a ARM based Switch 2.

So it's not a 1-1. The point being made in that video is Nintendo will likely target similar power consumption as the current Switch, which is accurate. But they can get a lot more out of that power consumption profile because of the SoC they are using than Valve or ASUS can , as those other two are basicall off the shelf laptop chips.

I also wouldn't rule out a slightly larger battery and the power consumption to be higher than on OG Switch. As OG Switch (not the redbox v2 models) only hit 15 watts docked when also charging the joycons and its internal battery. The later revisions would use even less power.
 
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MadMarvainy said:
Has DF been keeping up with the Drake leaks? It actually sounds like they haven't been.
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It's pretty clear that Oliver has, and Rich as well - in the recent DF Direct Rich says

I think that you know, from all of the rumors that are going around, I think they've pretty much chosen the right path which is to stay with Nvidia move to an ampere class GPU, possibly an ampere class GPU that may have some Ada Lovelace features in it.
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I don't think it's reasonable to expect full time journalists and tech analysts who have to cover the whole industry to dig as deeply as we have into something in the shadier corners of the internet. If a source came to them with data, sure. If something gets picked up enough by other media that the rumor itself becomes the story, absolutely. But speculating down to the FLOPS about an unannounced device seems risky for DF, while not actually being that interesting to them.

The only frustrating thing I find about their Switch 2 speculation is consistently bouncing off of what a power drain the Zen CPU arch is.
 
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Dekuman said:
All the Switch-like clones on the market are using AMD SoCs on x86 since they are laptop SoCs crammed in a switch-like casing, which isnt ARM and is a power hog.
So there will be more power to go to the rest of the SoC in a ARM based Switch 2.

So it's not a 1-1. The point being made in that video is Nintendo will likely target similar power consumption as the current Switch, which is accurate. But they can get a lot more out of that power consumption profile because of the SoC they are using than Valve or ASUS can which are basically just off the shelf laptop chips.

I also wouldn't rule out a slightly larger battery and the power consumption to be higher than on OG Switch. As OG Switch (not the redbox v2 models) only hit 15 watts docked when also charging the joycons. The later revisions would use even less power.
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At the battery consumption of the 2017 launch model, that's still 2.2TF in Handheld Mode (max speed) and 3.45 in TV mode. Of course there would be plenty of variation within those, simpler games using lower profiles, boost settings, etc.
 
Adulfzen said:
baseline PS4/XboxOne with a better CPU, DLSS and better loading is honestly the best way to envision the future device without setting yourself for unnecessary disappointment. It's fun to discuss best case scenario but people tend to get overexcited without envisioning the possible heating/battery issues that Nintendo would take seriously.
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The way I see it, switch 2 vs ps4 is gonna probably be similar to switch vs 360 (or maybe Wii u vs switch is better), and that's without DLSS. 2x faster GPU and at least 2-3x faster CPU vs PS4 base (and maybe equal to PS4 pro). We could potentially have 2x as much RAM available vs base PS4's 5.5GB, assuming we get 12GB of RAM, and 111 for gaming.

Bandwidth is the only non comparison.
TomNookYankees said:
When they talk about the potential limitations of the Switch 2 are they saying "and that's why it can't quite be PS4/Steam-Deck performance" or am I mishearing it and it's just about why it can't reach ROG Ally performance? The latter would be expected but if they mean the former that's worrisome.
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Thermal and power draw limitations, especially considering how Nintendo would handle it and would want to prioritize battery life and power draw over performance (I'm expecting at least OG switch battery life). I mean we certainly won't get CPU clocks as high as either of those two (3Ghz is not happening), especially if the successor is limited to 10-15 watts in handheld. But imo, the GPU should at least match if not potentially surpass SD in handheld mode, and get close to RoG alley in docked mode. The performance on switch 2 will be a lot more efficient than the handheld PC devices per Hz though due to being a closed system and having a very efficient OS.
 
I still desperately hope for a capacitive, pressure sensitive shoulder button. There's so many benefits... So many inputs...

And Tears of the Kingdom felt like it was designed around a scrolling shoulder button that never was.
 
Kise Ryota said:
I would like if they use a 40Wh battery with a system power draw of 13W in handheld. Like I said other day, I don't mind a 650g handheld that has great ergonomics. It can be THICC, so they can manage better the cooling system and also fit that battery with no problem.
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making it thicker also has the advantage of making it not slot into current switch docks so no 'accidental' docking can occur.
a thicker Switch 2 is what i expect to happen over a larger one horizontally. I think Redbox/OG/OLED's form factor is about as large as it gets, but they could go thicker to get a larger battery in.
 
MadMarvainy said:
Has DF been keeping up with the Drake leaks? It actually sounds like they haven't been.

Really odd for them unless they know something we don't.
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I mean, do they have to? OK, they became the go to point for legit console hardware with Eurogamers (they are a subbranch) Switch leak, their overall Switch coverage and the exclusive Series X reveal. But still, their job is to review performance of recent games, not to be a leaker. So they are basically also just informed as any other person and they have their own interests which they follow. But what I have observed is, that they are not much interested in rumors - they usually only cover such topics if they were asked by their follower. So I doubt they read into such geek boards like this. They are much more likely to find in a geek board about retro hardware.
So I am sure, that they are most of the time not much more in the know (for Japanese Hardware at least) as any other normal person. So don't expect them to have a lurker account for the board here, I am not even sure if they have one for Resetera (at least in active usage). What they differentiate from normal people is that they can much better interpret the leaks due to their hardware background.
 
Kise Ryota said:
I would like if they use a 40Wh battery with a system power draw of 13W in handheld. Like I said other day, I don't mind a 650g handheld that has great ergonomics. It can be THICC, so they can manage better the cooling system and also fit that battery with no problem.
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idk, present switch is 16Wh battery up to power draw of 4W (not hb switches) in handheld, Max clocks can go up to 11W so 1hour and half battery. what you say sounds more like an x86 mini pc than an arm console. Whats the limit of W in arm arquitecture?
 
theguy said:
“i don’t think there’s going to be a june direct this year” - kit & krysta (paraphrased)

nintendo announces a june direct.

these guys don’t really know anything and are just speculating like the rest of us.
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Probably that's why they started that sentence by saying "I don't think" and not "I'm sure there's not".
 
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ReyVGM said:
Probably that's why they started that sentence by saying "I don't think" and not "I'm sure".
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it's fair and to be honest, i don't think they are saying their opinions are worth more or anything, but i've seen their predictions on Switch 2 posted in various places as being more authoratative than others. it's mostly their podcast fans/listeners doing it.
 
PandaAndino said:
idk, present switch is 16Wh battery up to power draw of 4W (not hb switches) in handheld, Max clocks can go up to 11W so 1hour and half battery. what you say sounds more like an x86 mini pc than an arm console. Whats the limit of W in arm arquitecture?
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modern arches don't have power limits (well, probably theoretically they do, just not practically). they're limited by how much cooling you have
 
P4bl0 said:
Nintendo said no price cut this FY
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I mean they aren't going to say "yes we are planning on dropping the price in the future" because that would very directly lead to a decrease in sales as news gets around about an upcoming price drop and people decide to wait for the price drop before buying. It's always going to be something like "we are not currently planning on dropping the price this fiscal year".
 
Kise Ryota said:
I would like if they use a 40Wh battery with a system power draw of 13W in handheld. Like I said other day, I don't mind a 650g handheld that has great ergonomics. It can be THICC, so they can manage better the cooling system and also fit that battery with no problem.
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If you want a Rog Ally, you can just buy a Rog Ally. You don't even have to wait for ports! :)

A 1.5 pound machine with 90 minutes of battery life that costs $700 is fundamentally not compatible with "average Pokemon player."
 
there's just not enough smoke for a 2023 release, especially considering how Nintendo plans to have plenty of stock around launch.

but the rumbling around Dev Kits fits in perfectly for a release next year. realstically Dev Kits would need to be out plenty of time beforehand to make a 2024 release even possible. yes close partners had things already but at some point these things are more widely distributed which is where we're at now.

I do think the 1H 2024 release is still possible. this would be 100% be next FY in the May-July timeframe basically a summer launch. if this happens we'll get a blowout early next year with much more smoke before 2023 is over -funcles, buncles, third-hand titbits from devs. and though it's been written-off i still think the Sharp thing is for Nintendo as the timeline of trialling production this FY and ramping up next one fits in perfectly with Redacted. as do the earlier reports of Nintendo looking into mLEDs before the OLED model became a thing.

lets hypothetically say there's 3 big titles we know are coming year 1 (with more unannounced/remasters). with a summer launch we might get a couple of them - 3D Mario, MP4 & Mario Kart. but i'm convinced Mario Kart will be kept as the big holiday title if we get a 1H 2024 launch.
 
Dakhil said:
Assuming "system power draw" is referring only to the SoC's TDP, and assuming Drake has a max TDP of 15 W, if Van Gogh on the Steam Deck is any indication, there are probably diminishing returns having Drake running at a TDP of 13 W.
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isn't that with the old bios? that shown more performance regression than normal?

and being a PC with different arches, not a claim that can be applied to drake without testing
 
HankyPanky said:
I do think the 1H 2024 release is still possible. this would be 100% be next FY in the May-July timeframe basically a summer launch.
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How would that work ?

Reveal in January Presentation in March and launch in May July ?

Why would Nintendo not launch their new console in time for holiday sales? That would be stoopid from their end
 
ILikeFeet said:
isn't that with the old bios? that shown more performance regression than normal?
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No, that video was before Asus released the Asus ROG Ally 319 BIOS.

And I wasn't talking about the AMD Z1 Extreme. I was only talking about Van Gogh on the Steam Deck. And the Steam Deck behaves much closer to a non-Windows handheld video game console than the Asus ROG Ally for obvious reasons.
 
P4bl0 said:
How would that work ?

Reveal in January Presentation in March and launch in May July ?

Why would Nintendo not launch their new console in time for holiday sales? That would be stoopid from their end
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With a 2D Mario game, i feel like their holiday is pretty much set without the need of new hardware, but I'm sort of agreeing it doesn't rule out an early 2024 launch IF Nintendo wants to do it. Doesn't mean they will because logically they have to announce by January at the latest in time for a March launch, but even Switch didn't go with this timeline, it was reveleaed in January but was announced the previous year.

I just don't see Nintendo self-sabotaging their holidays by announcing the successor this holiday when people can't buy it until next year. It makes more sense to announce during a slower sales period, like the spring, and release in the summer/fall leading into their biggest quarter. Which would make a H1 announce H2 release in 2024 the best option for them.
 
I think a late-summer launch is ideal.

Whatever than can produce for a launch will be gobbled by early adopters, whenever it launches.

It would give them time to work out the kinks on the supply chain, satisfy early demand and build enough stock for kids on Christmas.

Holiday sales are mostly for casuals.
If they launch near Christmas, there's too much demand, it will be scalped to death.
 
Cybergatuno said:
If they launch near Christmas, there's too much demand, it will be scalped to death.
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Let's be real. Unless Nintendo has ~20m units ready for launch or the MSRP is something stupid like $699, this bugger will be scalped to hell and back regardless of the month it is released.

Have your battle plans ready.
 
Dekuman said:
With a 2D Mario game, i feel like their holiday is pretty much set without the need of new hardware
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But there is a need for new hardware though the Switch in it's 7th year

Whats with 2D Mario preventing it to sell Switch 1 and Switch 2 at the same time ?

Nintendo wants to sell consoles and games, whether it's the Switch 1 or both they are winning
 
Cybergatuno said:
I think a late-summer launch is ideal.

Whatever than can produce for a launch will be gobbled by early adopters, whenever it launches.

It would give them time to work out the kinks on the supply chain, satisfy early demand and build enough stock for kids on Christmas.

Holiday sales are mostly for casuals.
If they launch near Christmas, there's too much demand, it will be scalped to death.
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Maybe that's what they want internally ? Huge hype frenzy, not many games at launch while Switch 1 still has games, kinda like PS4 and PS5, allows them for a smooth transition
 
Josh5890 said:
Let's be real. Unless Nintendo has ~20m units ready for launch or the MSRP is something stupid like $699, this bugger will be scalped to hell and back regardless of the month it is released.

Have your battle plans ready.
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Is the former even possible? I guess that's the one big strike against a Holiday release; dealing with supply and demand. The biggest and most apt comparison would be the Wii's launch. It's kind of a gamble, tbh. Launch it too early and you risk people holding off until the Holidays, where a launch then could result in massive sellouts. Even launching it late summer may have its drawbacks, as there may not be enough time to mitigate the supply issues.
 
TomNookYankees said:
I mean they aren't going to say "yes we are planning on dropping the price in the future" because that would very directly lead to a decrease in sales as news gets around about an upcoming price drop and people decide to wait for the price drop before buying. It's always going to be something like "we are not currently planning on dropping the price this fiscal year".
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They gave specific reasons as to why they’re not gonna lower the price. If it was a more general answer, I’d be on the boat that says that a price cut could come this Fiscal Year. But since it was a very detailed question, I doubt we’ll see a cut
 
oldpuck said:
If you want a Rog Ally, you can just buy a Rog Ally. You don't even have to wait for ports! :)

A 1.5 pound machine with 90 minutes of battery life that costs $700 is fundamentally not compatible with "average Pokemon player."
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Unnecessary post tbh. Do you even know what games I want to play to say that?

Also, System power draw means the total power consumption of the whole hardware.

Dakhil said:
Assuming "system power draw" is referring only to the SoC's TDP
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It's not.
 
D36 said:
Is the former even possible? I guess that's the one big strike against a Holiday release; dealing with supply and demand. The biggest and most apt comparison would be the Wii's launch. It's kind of a gamble, tbh. Launch it too early and you risk people holding off until the Holidays, where a launch then could result in massive sellouts. Even launching it late summer may have its drawbacks, as there may not be enough time to mitigate the supply issues.
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Even the most confident company in the world wouldn't have 20m of a pricey item ready for product launch. If for whatever reason the product doesn't sell out as forecasted and there is suddenly millions of units stuck throughout the supply chain, that would be disastrous all around.
 
Really hoping Redrakted NG doesn't become PS5 levels of elusive or scalped, because I need it Day 1. Thankfully, there isn't a pandemic that could halt its sales (yet).
 
I'm guessing the Switch 2 uses pretty much the same capacity battery and has the same power draw as the original model of the Switch 1.

People can calculate out what the clocks would be for the Switch 2 assuming it uses T239 on TSMC 5nm+ and must not exceed the power draw of the original model of the Switch 1.

Then we can compare that to the Switch 1 and PS4 and PS5.
 
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