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StarTopic Future Nintendo Hardware & Technology Speculation & Discussion |ST| (Read the staff posts before commenting!)

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Best thing would be a short reveal video and then at some point a prerecorded deep dive showcase that shows the hardware features and how this influences the games you play on it. Similarly to the Switch Lite Reveal, but longer and with some new games. Actually like the prerecorded Koizumi Joycon Segment at the Switch January Presentation which I think was really great. It sold me the Switch as an innovative product (and Koizumi as a Magician). Then later there can be a Direct with more games shortly before/after launch.
 
Skittzo said:
Thank you for the quote, for some reason I remembered him saying "I", not "we", but clearly I was wrong.

As oldpuck says the existence of any would've also come up in discovery of course.
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Yeah I think that was from the early Twitter quoting which was confusing in a lot of ways. The later reports cleaned it up as far as I can tell.
 
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Spring 2024 - Hardware reveal trailer
June 2024 - Switch 2 Direct - Games blowout
Q4 2024 - Switch 2 launch
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I don‘t see them waiting longer than two months after a Switch 2 direct. If they do it in June 2024, the console would launch in August at the latest. Nintendo uses directs usually for the immediate future.
 
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SiG said:
The recent incident with Metroid Prime Remastered is not proof of any long-term "salt" within the company, and could simply be company policy.

My counterargument to said "salt": Why is the Super Mario RPG Remake an actual thing?
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Nope. The original developers were credited in Zelda Skyward Sword HD. The original staff not being credited in Prime Remastered is not company policy.

Nintendo's relationship with Square Enix was not good years ago, but has improved immensely over the years thanks to their support on 3DS and Switch. Plus, Nintendo was the publisher for Super Mario RPG, even though Square developed the game, it is entirely owned by Nintendo. Just like Bayonetta is developed by Platinum Games, it is Sega who owns the IP and Nintendo being the publisher owns the rights specifically to Bayonetta 2 and 3.
 
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lexony said:
I don‘t see them waiting longer than two months after a Switch 2 direct. If they do it in June 2024, the console would launch in August at the latest. Nintendo uses directs usually for the immediate future.
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Not really accurate. Directs are usually for the next 6 months with the odd tease for things a bit further ahead.

They just revealed Mario Wonder and it’s out in October - not August.
 
YolkFolk said:
If the Switch 2 is revealed officially next month - I’ll buy it for you on launch along with every launch game.
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BloodMoon said:
Just watched a battery comparison for the three current Switch models and the OLED got just shy of 6 hours of TotK gameplay on a single charge. That’s way better than I expected, wonder if the successor could get close to that?
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Not unless the successor is very very weak.

Batteries didn't improve very much, the later Switch models just use much less electricity. The expectation is that those electricity gains (and more electricity gains from further processor development) will be used to make the CPU, GPU, RAM, and storage better for gaming.
 
YolkFolk said:
Not really accurate. Directs are usually for the next 6 months with the odd tease for things a bit further ahead.

They just revealed Mario Wonder and it’s out in October - not August.
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Yeah obviously, though they mainly feature games that come out not to long after the direct and share updates about lowkey stuff that is only relevant in a soonish future. The way they use this format is for games releasing within half a year. I think if they do a "games blowout" for Switch 2 they will do it in a different style than a regular direct.
 
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Nope. The original developers were credited in Zelda Skyward Sword HD. The original staff not being credited in Prime Remastered is not company policy.

Nintendo's relationship with Square Enix was not good years ago, but has improved immensely over the years thanks to their support on 3DS and Switch. Plus, Nintendo was the publisher for Super Mario RPG, even though Square developed the game, it is entirely owned by Nintendo. Just like Bayonetta is developed by Platinum Games, it is Sega who owns the IP and Nintendo being the publisher owns the rights specifically to Bayonetta 2 and 3.
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Nintendo and Square(-Enix)'s relationship has been better ever since the GBA era. They not only released a then-exclusive Final Fantasy (Crystal Chronicles), but also re-released all the old FFs on GBA, and even released FFTA. (I should also mention Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga even got a Geno cameo!)

They might as well have released a proper "Super Mario RPG 2" during the DS era, when we got Mario Hoops 3-on-3, which was developed by S-E, and also features Mario and Final Fantasy characters.

This narrative that Nintendo keeps vendettas was also largly disproven during the GameCube era: Of all the consoles that got the Sonic Adventure remakes, it was Nintendo's platform that got dibs on it, not to mention F-Zero GX is also a thing. And not even a generation past, Sega and Nintendo were very fierce competitors...

Sorry, but the narrative that Nintendo has "salt" was largely driven by the Hiroshi Yamauchi era of Nintendo, but that has pretty much given way to Satoru Iwata's approach with 3rd parties, which I would argue was much more proactive and collaborative.
 
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ItWasMeantToBe19 said:
Not unless the successor is very very weak.

Batteries didn't improve very much, the later Switch models just use much less electricity. The expectation is that those electricity gains (and more electricity gains from further processor development) will be used to make the CPU, GPU, RAM, and storage better for gaming.
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Yeah hopefully battery life is of low importance to them for the base Switch 2. Focus on everything else, then improve the battery life in subsequent models after launch.
 
Vanillalite said:
Side Want

Hope we get a better WiFi chip along with an updated OS/eShop cause download speeds are atrocious, and this could be a nice upgrade for the new model.
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And better Wi-Fi antennae placement. A better Wi-Fi chip alone doesn't solve Wi-Fi reception issues.
 
judging by the comments in thier new shareholder Q&A i feel, a early 2025 launch is more likely than holiday 2024 since they want to avoid any shortages this time around.
 
Djehuty said:
judging by the comments in thier new shareholder Q&A i feel, a early 2025 launch is more likely than holiday 2024 since they want to avoid any shortages this time around.
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Oh yeah the shareholder Q&A where for the first time they didn't deny the existence of a next gen ?

2025 ends with a 5 unfortunately, 2026 sounds more plausible
 
Djehuty said:
judging by the comments in thier new shareholder Q&A i feel, a early 2025 launch is more likely than holiday 2024 since they want to avoid any shortages this time around.
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I feel like that's cutting it way too close.
 
BloodMoon said:
Just watched a battery comparison for the three current Switch models and the OLED got just shy of 6 hours of TotK gameplay on a single charge. That’s way better than I expected, wonder if the successor could get close to that?
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For Tears of the Kingdom? Sure. For the boundary pushing game at the end of [redacted]'s life? Probably not.

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Yeah hopefully battery life is of low importance to them for the base Switch 2. Focus on everything else, then improve the battery life in subsequent models after launch.
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The big leap in battery life that the OLED Switch got is much much much less likely for [redacted]. So whatever battery life you get at launch, that's the battery life you're getting for a while
 
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How likely is it that next gen can support HDMI 2.1 for 120hz games, considering the OLED dock supports 2.0? I'm thinking if next gen could support either 40hz or uncapped framerates beyond 60, that would be sick.

Of course, it's also likely that Nintendo won't do that for the sake of keeping options within games simple, but I really do wonder about that.
 
Vanillalite said:
In theory the current chip shouldn’t be as bad as it is, but we all know how that goes.

It’s also hard to know how much is the chipset vs just the crap eshop implementation in an other wise snappy OS.
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The Switch wifi chip was iirc also used on some flagship LG phones around the time Switch released, so Nintendo likely went with a lower cost option and did not go out of its way to find old or bad chips.

I believe the LG G5 a 2016 flagship phone used a similar wifi module
 
Evil Lucario said:
How likely is it that next gen can support HDMI 2.1 for 120hz games, considering the OLED dock supports 2.0? I'm thinking if next gen could support either 40hz or uncapped framerates beyond 60, that would be sick.

Of course, it's also likely that Nintendo won't do that for the sake of keeping options within games simple, but I really do wonder about that.
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feels like a timing issue. now whether Nintendo keeps it open or not is the question. I think they will for devs that want to use it
 
D36 said:
First off, that looks kind of impractical. Second, is that AI?
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Third: Hi Marc!

I guess its AI based on the description of the Funcle. If this would be a legit Funcle, he would risk way less to use an AI image recreation instead of using a real picture. I highly doubt its a real think so, can't see Nintendo going back to detachable controller which won't be multiusable. This one would be awful in Tabletop mode.
 
Evil Lucario said:
How likely is it that next gen can support HDMI 2.1 for 120hz games, considering the OLED dock supports 2.0? I'm thinking if next gen could support either 40hz or uncapped framerates beyond 60, that would be sick.
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Will it support HDMI 2.1? Probably. T239 uses DisplayPort, the dock then converts that to HDMI. They'll use whatever chips are cheap to get at the time, and that is probably a 2.1 chip, as the spec is nearly 2 years old.

Will the OS support letting the game know it's on a 120Hz display? Maybe? Will any games take advantage of it? No idea.

There is a limit to using DisplayPort, in how much data can be moved. Nvidia has publicly posted their code for supporting displayport on T239, so we know the limits. It's not my area of expertise but I believe 4K at ?60FPS isn't possible. And since I know of know 1080p 120Hz screens, it would require gamers on supported devices to say if they wanted higher res or higher frame rates. "performance" vs "quality" mode is something Nintendo has so far avoided.

So while it's in the realm of possibility, it remains to be seen whether or not it happens
 
SiG said:
This narrative that Nintendo keeps vendettas was also largly disproven during the GameCube era: Of all the consoles that got the Sonic Adventure remakes, it was Nintendo's platform that got dibs on it, not to mention F-Zero GX is also a thing. And not even a generation past, Sega and Nintendo were very fierce competitors....
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I could see Nintendo keeping a vandetta when Yamauchi was president, but maybe he eased up a bit right before he left since SA2 coming to GCN and SE bringing games to the GBA were greelit before he left.
 
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Semi Lazy Gamer said:
I could see Nintendo keeping a vandetta when Yamauchi was president, but maybe he eased up a bit right before he left since SA2 coming to GCN and SE bringing games to the GBA were greelit before he left.
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I mean, as a final point to the argument, if they've been holding on to resentment, wouldn't they block the release of Sony's MLB The Show on Switch?
 
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