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MrBones said:
Not in the dark, I just think people shouldn't expect a Summer direct. They can easily coast on social media reveals of H2 DLC for Pokemon, Zelda, and Mario Kart, and maybe a smaller/mid-sized game reveal ala Age of Calamity.
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They...... really can't, not with DLC and smaller games. If Drake isn't this year, they have to have a consistent stream of titles headlined with at least one big game. Otherwise, that 15 million target is a pipedream and a half.
 
Pokemaniac said:
Do I really have to explain why Nintendo might not want to depress (already declining) hardware sales before getting their big first half release out of the way?

Waiting until after TotK lets them do a fairly clean pivot in their marketing while striking a pretty good balance between minimizing the gap between announcement and release (conveniently aligning it with the naturally quieter summer period) and giving sufficient time to get pre-release marketing taken care of and minimizing manufacturing leaks.
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It’s my thought that they want to have the last hoorah with Zelda before doing anything else.

And they’ll get to evaluate the sales data before making a final decision on launch timing
 
TonyBaduy said:
Us not knowing the reason doesn't mean it's irrational.
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I know, I only brought up the potential irrationality about Nintendo's marketing because of the post I was replying to, which stated that their past marketing actions have often been irrational and so we should expect more of the same. If they're being irrational now, then they're going about it in a very different way from previous occasions.

In other words, it's hard to bring up the "Nintendo will always make mistakes because Nintendo" argument when the details about what's happening now are so different.
 
There is no reason not to have a Summer Direct to announce a new 2D Mario.
There should be remasters (such as the rumored TTYD), medium and small second party games, etc.
 
Following July if Nintendo floods the release calendar with remasters of Prime 2 and 3, Paper Mario TTYD, Wind Waker/Twilight Princess and F Zero, then i personally will be a happy camper especially if this somehow leads to a November release of Prime 4
 
NintenDuvo said:
Following July if Nintendo floods the release calendar with remasters of Prime 2 and 3, Paper Mario TTYD, Wind Waker/Twilight Princess and F Zero, then i personally will be a happy camper especially if this somehow leads to a November release of Prime 4
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I generally agree with you, but I don't see WW and TP remasters being released in 2023.
 
JoshuaJSlone said:
I'm still waiting for the proper translation to find out about the aircraft.


As an improvement in computing devices that would probably still kick GameCube->Wii's butt, but Wii brought a lot of other interesting tricks.

If they've got a userbase of 140+ million people still buying more games per year than most of their previous systems had at peak, hard to imagine them dropping them so soon even for the B list games. 3DS software held on longer and it had a lot less going for it.
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It is “次世代機” which means literally “next generation machine” in Japanese.

次世代=next generation
機 means machine.
機 can also be an abbreviation of “飛行機”, which means aircraft.
 
Real talk, if late Switch library is just ports from Nintendo, I'd be okay with that. They're still missing a fair bit of their catalog on the platform and we're still missing a few titles on the Wii U in particular.
 
For some reason I‘m still fine with the Switch performance. I get all the games I like in HD, at least it’s easy to modern TVs and with the OLED the handheld experience has improved a lot.

I‘m wondering how many of the over 100M Switch owners do really want an update. For some it‘s just the family Mario Kart / Party and Switch Sports device they have since the Wii doesn’t connect to their new TVs and no one bought the Wii U ;)

Still looking forward and lurking here since I‘m curious how Nintendo want to successfully transition to the new system. I was there with the N64, the GC and the Wii U and got all the jokes about having invested in the worse system.

I only hope whatever we‘ll get will continue to use the same/compatible OS. I rebought all the ports and I will not do that again.
 
D36 said:
They...... really can't, not with DLC and smaller games. If Drake isn't this year, they have to have a consistent stream of titles headlined with at least one big game. Otherwise, that 15 million target is a pipedream and a half.
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I agree. I think that 15m number is really cocky with their (likely) tepid H2 software lineup.

I think, best case, we get DLC and a larger holiday title (like 2D Mario or DK) , but that's literally it. Expecting a big Summer Direct that unveils a blowout H2 with tons of unannounced games is delusional, unfortunately
 
Mendinso said:
Real talk, if late Switch library is just ports from Nintendo, I'd be okay with that. They're still missing a fair bit of their catalog on the platform and we're still missing a few titles on the Wii U in particular.
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I'd much prefer Nintendo stick more to emulators for making their back catalog available. It's a much more efficient way to go about it.
 
jaycie said:
Man, if the process of ENTERING uncharted territory is taking this long, I'm scared to see how long the uncharted territory itself will last
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Imagine, if you will, a new game of Civilization being started. Charted territory would be what your lone starting Settler unit can see. Uncharted would be... sweeping arm gesture to the side

(now if only the powers that be enter that "Just one more turn" mindset...)
Dakhil said:
So the Phawk did benchmarks comparisons between Van Gogh, the AMD Ryzen 6800U, and the AMD Ryzen 7840U.


And basically, Van Gogh outperforms the AMD Ryzen 6800U and the AMD Ryzen 7840U at TDPs ≤11 W. And the AMD Ryzen 6800U and the AMD Ryzen 7840U outperforms Van Gogh at TDPs >11 W.

So assuming the AMD Z1 Extreme is based on the AMD Ryzen 7840U, then the AMD Z1 Extreme doesn't seem like the best choice for hybrid consoles running on an OS that's not Microsoft Windows, at least to me.
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My kneejerk reaction:
Hmm, more evidence suggesting things about the v/f curves of the recent Zen architectures. I've heard before that Zen 2 actually does better at lower clocks than Zen 3 in laptop discussions. Since Zen 3 does outperform eventually, I take it that Zen 3's design (on the same node as 2, remember) ended up shifting the v/f curve enough to play out that way. Which does make sense; Zen 3 largely added stuff here and there to get a big IPC increase, with no noticeable cutbacks.

As for the GPU, that gets me wondering: does the scheduler automatically evenly distribute work across all the CUs? Because I'm picturing the lower power scenarios being ones where the 6800U's 12 RDNA2 CUs are still in the not-rolling-yet part of their v/f curves while Van Gogh's 8 RDNA2 CUs are somewhere in that nice bend/elbow/whatever sweet spot on the curve.
RDNA3's underperforming relative to expectations, but what else is new.

Subsequent thought:
Combined with what Thraktor has mentioned before about v/f curves shifting with nodes, it really does seem like to truly optimize for maximum performance within specific power ranges, one does need to keep a tight leash on size. And be careful with selection of architecture.
(also, my belief in Atom being the future of low power x86 based handheld PCs remains ✊)
 
NateDrake said:
Don't have much more on them beyond knowledge that work remains active. Timing would be a pure guess.
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Thanks Nate for the update.

If its ok/possible to say:

Does the development (or since they seem to be finished) according to Jeff Grubb for Wind Waker and TP continues for an release, do you have an update on this front too?
 
Advator said:
No new hardware:



Like Nintendo always is saying: What do you think?
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I think we might need to wait for the official translation on this one. I believe I saw this one referenced earlier in the thread, but implying the reverse. That Furukawa was disagreeing with the question/statement that was posed regarding new hardware maybe not being needed, rather than agreeing with it.
 
Erika said:
It is “次世代機” which means literally “next generation machine” in Japanese.

次世代=next generation
機 means machine.
機 can also be an abbreviation of “飛行機”, which means aircraft.
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The Nintendo Switch Aircraft - I like that name for some reason!
 
This is likely for the PlayStation portable but you know...
I wouldn't put it past Nintendo to use LCD screens on Switch Drake, so they have a valid reason to keep the Switch OLED on the market. (maybe with a price cut)
 
there was talk a long while back (before the OLED model) that Nintendo was looking into Mini-LED (that Sharp also produce) and now 'Sharp has been involved in since the product's R&D stage'. Mini-LED would fall broadly under a 'LCD' type panel too, presumably. seems a bit OTT to fire up a new production line for something unless it's perhaps the first iteration of these panels in smaller, mobile size? the author makes a not so-subtle nod to Nintendo being the likely customer. it also says these production lines are in trial phase this FY which doesn't bode well for it being ready particularly soon.

www.techradar.com

Nintendo Switch Pro could sport a Mini LED display – here's why that matters

The next Nintendo Switch could get a bit upgrade
www.techradar.com www.techradar.com
 
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pelusilla6 said:
The photo used in that tweet.. Damm he knows what he is doing haha

Edit : Sony portable to stream ps5 games using a LCD screen? They want it to fail or what wtf
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It's a streaming oriented tablet, I don't think they are aiming for a premium experience given this needs to be cheap.

Anyway, with the influx of windows gaming tablets, this could mean anything now7
 
Mini-LED would be great to be honest, if not on par with OLED for a small screen like this.
But I’m not sure if it costs more or less than OLED?
If it costs more I’d see no reason not to keep the current OLED screen
 
money is on this Sharp news actually being the panel for Switch 2 and is the Mini-LED thing rumoured years ago coming to fruition. there must be a good reason they're going with the display tech over OLED, will have to read up about the pros and cons. 1080p also becomes increasingly possible if not probable the longer we go on.
 
L_esson said:
Mini-LED would be great to be honest, if not on par with OLED for a small screen like this.
But I’m not sure if it costs more or less than OLED?
If it costs more I’d see no reason not to keep the current OLED screen
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It definitely does. There's not a lot of products with it for a reason
 
Mini-LED looks very similar to OLED (got a MacBook Pro with Mini-LED). Not sure why they'd go for it? Downside of the Mini-LED in the MacBook is lack of motion clarity compared to my OLED TV and Switch, plus a bit of a halo effect around dimming zones.

They got awesome OLED screens from Samsung, so if this is indeed about Switch it's a bit confusing...
 
ILikeFeet said:
It's a streaming oriented tablet, I don't think they are aiming for a premium experience given this needs to be cheap.

Anyway, with the influx of windows gaming tablets, this could mean anything now7
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If you use LCD in a product where the screen is the most important thing... perhaps the only one but input delay or ergonomics
 
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Hermii said:
Imo the article leaves zero doubt this is Nintendo.
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indeed 'customer cannot be disclosed' then next sentence btw Nintendo Switch is going to be replaced soon, lol. the exciting thing is whatever panel they're using seems like it's been in the works for years and will be finely tuned for Nintendo's needs.
 
Advator said:
No new hardware:



Like Nintendo always is saying: What do you think?
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Someone used a machine translator and accepted it as gospel. What Furukawa said was the opposite. It is notable because he admitted that a) the growth of "annual play users" has slowed, and b) to continue growing the number a new hardware will be necessary. My biased read of the above is that a new hardware probably will be announced (I'm unsure about release) within this fiscal year.
 
doubt it'll happen but if nintendo had two skus at launch with one having the oled screen while being a bit more expensive (and maybe more storage) I'd definitely jump on that one.
 
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