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We still have two days.
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StarTopic Future Nintendo Hardware & Technology Speculation & Discussion |ST| (Read the staff posts before commenting!)
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Why two days?
zestycrouton
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eye0h
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It can still launch with zelda, surely. SURELY
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As a day one patch!
TSR3
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How’d you work that out? There’s been plenty of discussion of why 4-5 months would be sufficient and the translations so far (great work @fwd-bwd ) suggest Nintendo don’t think they need a long run up. What was so special about February this year, were you tying it to the Feb’ direct?
rickyson33
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Last year we had Team 2022 vs Team 2023
Now we have Team 2023 vs Team 2024
It's not going to end, imma pick Team 2025 to be safe.
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I’m already ahead of you.
Kazuyamishima
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I'd still argue that point considering I play only in handheld because I use a switch lite and they are subpar and barely acceptable imo
Ohh, sweat summer child. It wass always and ever will be tomorrow!
Kazuyamishima
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I don't get a lot of people saying the OLED is faster and upgraded in certain ways, it's the same exact storage and chip as the switch V2 there is no improvement over it yet people still say the contrary.
It also boggles me how people ask if their day 1 switch will run [insert any modern title] sure the V2 and OLED have a refresh but the performance is 99% the same and hardware doesn't really deteriorate that fast either there's plenty of videos of people showcasing that with pc components and old consoles
Super Mario 2nd Odyssey confirmed.
Cuzizkool
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Where is that graphic Nintendo used a while ago, that said “next gaming system 20XX” or something? Put me down for 20XX.
This is almost certainly placebo or just using a better SD card. It's the same chips and isn't being run any faster.
mjayer
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Well it's not the same chips, i'm coming from a v1. It might be partially plecebo who knows. I could swear the faster loading times were confirmed but now I can't find any info on it. I dunno!
There's no noticeable difference between Erista and Mariko how Nintendo has them configured. They perform functionally identically.
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Mariko makes it feel effortless, though. Barely ever hear the fans.
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Meanwhile my V1's fans fire up just loading the title screen for Xenoblade 3.
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So what would you put as the cutoff point then. If the new hardware isn't announced before July, are you still going to claim 2023 is possible?
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It's just common sense. Some people are living way in the past.
We had, like, several people since the start of this thread expect some long cycle. And when told that you don’t need to do that these days, most took it well but some others took it as “being toxic and dismissive”
Which, well, there you go from Furukawa (translated)
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remember when Capcom said the Wii couldn't even run Resident Evil 5's title screen? maybe they were right
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I just realized my tag being #TeamDecade is beginning to take on an entirely different meaning than originally intended 
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You’ve caused this, we must now sacrifice you to the CMA godsI just realized my tag being #TeamDecade is beginning to take on an entirely different meaning than originally intended
Sonic ran his last race
MadMechanic
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My V1 switch turns into a volcanic mini jet when i play LM3 and Lego Incredibles.
I might change my mind depending on how the situation develops, but the hard cutoff is probably somewhere around the September Direct. That said, I don't think it's particularly likely they'd wait that long. Late May or June seems like the sweet spot, with July being possible and later only if Nintendo is feeling particularly bold.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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The big idea here that isn't explicitly stated is this:There are a large amount of people who would buy the Zelda OLED as long as they don't know the Switch 2 isn't coming soon, but would not buy the Zelda OLED if they knew the Switch 2 was coming in six months. There are so many of these people that it's worth kind of tricking them by refusing to detail near future plans to an extent no other console manufacturer has ever done. These people will also buy a Switch 2 very quickly after they buy the Switch OLED so there's no concern about lower Switch 2 sales in its first few years because of this strategy. Also, it's worth having a much lower stock price for many many months because you've convinced investors and analysis and banks that you will not release a product in the next six months. These possible consumers are also so numerous that it became vital to eliminate all possible leaks, signing tens of thousands of people to NDAs so threatening and strict that no one has dared leak this information to IGN or anyone else (despite every gaming site desperately wanting this information for clicks), but also, Nintendo forgot to get the factory workers to sign NDAs so they can just leak constantly.
I feel all of this is a little off.
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Doctre really has an eye for everything
Nintendo would probably be following a pretty similar schedule even if TotK hadn't been delayed. It's nothing to do with that particular game.
You're the one who's decided that Nintendo following mostly the same schedule as they did last time is abnormal, despite that being in line with Nintendo preferring shorter marketing cycles in general vs their competitors. You also seem to have decided that leaks are an actual part of the process when by nature they're chance events, not to mention how many journalists who would typically report on them have gotten repeatedly burned in the recent past.
Also, I don't really follow the stock market, but Nintendo's stock price doesn't even seem to have taken an especially large hit recently.
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Imagine the unveil in this screen 
Chef’s kiss
Chef’s kiss
MadMechanic
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Nintendo Reveals Mario Red & Blue Edition Switch Console - IGN
Nintendo has revealed a new Switch version in red and blue colours to match its beloved mascot, Mario.
Nintendo Reveals Monster Hunter Rise Special Edition Switch Model - IGN
Nintendo has revealed a Monster Hunter Rise variant of the Nintendo Switch with unique art and special DLC bundled in.
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Nintendo’s OLED Switch: all of the news about the console upgrade
Follow along with our coverage of the OLED Switch.
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These were only a few months apart.
Also, on the note of Zelda, many who were going to buy the ZOLED were going to buy the new switch console anyway, day 1. Actually, lying, day ZERO.
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This line always reminds me of youtuber 'My Retro Life'.It's enough to make a grown man cry
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I feel like I only ever see that with Concert. Most of what I've seen from Team 2023 is faith in this year, but not as loud or staunch.
carbonaxiom
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This is certainly one possible interpretation of the situation, at least as a way to make sense of the contradiction between the timeline implied by the third party developer information used by insider reporters and the timeline implied by the Nvidia leak and Linux commits from last year.
My take is a bit different. I don't think third party developers are under such strict NDAs so much as they simply haven't been told as much about Nintendo's release timeline as they have in the past (which is admittedly a strange thing to do to developers you are sending dev kits to). But as best as I can tell, information coming from developers with dev kits has been strangely inconsistent since around 2021 with the confusion between the unannounced OLED Switch model and a 4K device some developers seemed to be working on at the time.
Since then there have been more inconsistent details sourced from developers, including the news about a cancelled pro device ("pro" in this case being a term used to distinguish it from a successor model), an event which is hard to place within the timeline surrounding the release of the OLED model and the Nvidia leak. This implies that many developers themselves are not fully aware of Nintendo's plans, and so my interpretation of all this is that there's an assumption from those developers that because their current projects are not slated to be completed until the second half of 2024 Nintendo will also not be releasing the new device until then.
That's an assumption made with the thought that Nintendo will want to have as many successor-exclusive games as they can at or close to release. But there have been previous theories that Nintendo could take an iPhone/smartphone approach with the Switch and not outright refer to new devices as successor consoles, even though any device using the T239 SoC basically is given how strong it is. This is a theory that has died down recently, but it's still very possible given how often Nintendo hammers down the "Switch family of systems" concept, or more recently with this Q & A, the idea that it's important to "maintain the number of customers who play Nintendo's game consoles at a high level" [a reminder that this is DeepL's machine translated version of what was said].
Nintendo could very well just release the new device with only cross gen titles, and then market it as a new device that makes Switch games look better at a higher resolution. This means not only backwards compatibility, but a fair degree of forward compatibility from the older Switch devices. As time goes by more games exclusive to the new device will come out and coincide with a phasing out of the older Switch devices (along with releasing different versions of the new device, like a new Lite model).
This might be disappointing to anyone who wants more games designed for the new device at release, but this was likely always going to be the case with big first party Nintendo titles, even if my theory doesn't pan out in exactly this way. Also, I still think third party developers will be allowed to just release cloud versions of their games on the older Switch devices and then claim that it's cross gen even though they are games that only work natively on the new device.
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Then there's me. I'm supremely confident in 2023 and literally nothing thrown this way has changed that.
Mainly because I believe Nintendo to be incredibly silly if they held this off any longer. They are riding Switch's coattails so much under some vain idea (in my eyes) it will beat the PS2 and become the highest selling console of all time and frankly it doesn't need to. It has sold extremely well and releasing a Switch 2 doesn't change that fact nor does it hinder software sales. I've seen it time and time again with cross gen periods and I am not convinced this is a valid concern for them to have. It is an excuse to hold back and continue riding a wave of complacency and creative limitations.
Nintendo should be jumping while the iron is hot, not waiting for it to simmer down into a faintly burning state before peeling back the curtains. Switch 2 would be mindblowing released last year, not so much (at least to myself) nowadays and that only worsens the longer they hold off on it to the point where if we seriously get to the end of 2024 for a release I would prefer them to hold off at that point and wait until they can release a console that will feel more on par with the tech that will be available for them in 2025 and beyond rather than release something that will feel dated by then. This is a console that will have 6 - 7 years on the market before any advancement on their part is made. It needs to not feel dated on release, because if it does, they will need a mid-gen upgrade to drag that out otherwise "Switch 3 when?" discussions will pop up all over the place and that diminishes the console. I don't really care by how much, Casuals will naturally be all over the thing but it's not a nice conversation to be having in other corners when a console has been released.
There shouldn't be speculation or discussion for at least a couple years, because consumers should be happy and content with the product, it should feel like it is rivalling what is on the market, not falling behind it. It should feel bold and exciting, not tiring.
I would rather have Game Boy for a long time so that we can finally have Game Boy Advance rather than Game Boy Color.
Switch 2's best time for release was technically last year, this year was their last best time and if they don't want to release it this year and want to keep playing coy with the thing then simply hold it back until it can be better because what we know now gets less and less impressive every passing month.
Nintendo is so much more ambitious than this. I want everything and the kitchen sink from them because they have always been the truest rival to Sony in my eyes than Microsoft ever was, some gamers see them always as #3 but I don't. Between Nintendo and Sony, they are the mainstays of the Industry, creating games that are actually games and are made with passion and are creatively groundbreaking. Nintendo at the top of their game is always something to behold and I for one don't want them to be sitting there looking at Switch's success and feeling content with it, I want them to acknowledge it and strive to look at the successor and say "we can do even better."
That is how you beat the PS2 in sales numbers because that is exactly what Sony did when making that console. Not being content with their success with the PS1 and being bold. The Switch is the PS1, Nintendo can desire as much as possible to want to be top but you don't get to be on top until you can perfect the concept that is making you have wild success currently.
I don't want the Wii U period ever again and I don't want Nintendo and their devs ever feeling complacent that can keep riding on the coattails of the money they have made with Switch.
Some people would consider my take hyperbolic or controversial but the Switch had a profound impact on getting me back into loving gaming again as an Adult after falling out a bit and struggling to find the time for it anymore and I really, really, really want them to push this harder. If we seriously get a Switch 2 and we've been right about the specs and it didn't come out when it should've, it's going to be disappointing to me on release. The exclusives will be great (I would hope) but I really don't want to be thinking about how much better it could've been and then having to wait another 6-7 years to have that.
I. Am. Not. Getting. Any. Younger.
Also, GIVE ME METROID PRIME 4 ALREADY!!!!!!!!!!!! I would prefer not being dead by the time it comes out.
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NintenDuvo
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June will be a very telling month, because Nintendo second half is basically blank right now, so it will be very interesting to see will we get a traditional direct, direct mini, or a partners showcase. The worst case scenario being we get nothing at all :/.
*the realistic scenario
Erathix
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If we got nothing at all past July that would be concerning. I know there are high prospects that there are games they are holding back for the slate but I would probably maniacally laugh if Nintendo actually had no plans for the rest of the year. Just a doomed silence over the rest of 2023, Pikmin 4 being the last hurrah you ever get and then nothing for as far as the eye can see.
Under the current scenario, Nintendo can't get very far past June without announcing anything before things get deeply weird. I wouldn't call expecting a lack of announcements in June (or in the general vicinity of June) especially realistic.
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Why do people think there is nothing left for them to announce?
Do people really think they will leave Switch owners in the dark from July to Jan 2024?
Aren't they going to Gamescom this year?
Do people really think they will leave Switch owners in the dark from July to Jan 2024?
Aren't they going to Gamescom this year?
Not in the dark, I just think people shouldn't expect a Summer direct. They can easily coast on social media reveals of H2 DLC for Pokemon, Zelda, and Mario Kart, and maybe a smaller/mid-sized game reveal ala Age of Calamity.
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