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Concernt
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Repackaging? Eh, no, I mean the DLC would be cross-gen, like Super 7 was for Forza Horizon 4 on Xbox. That said, I do expect games to be "repackaged", just not as "deluxe" versions. More like how Sword and Shield got rereleased as "+Expansion Pass" prints with it all on the Game Card, I'd expect this holiday (or next, depending, but I think this holiday) to be awash with things like Pokémon Scarlet + Hidden Secret of Area ZERO, Super Smash Bros. Ultimate + Fighters Pass 1+2+Piranha Plant, Mario Kart 8 Deluxe + Booster Course Pass, and other games all with the DLC and the next gen patch either included on the game card or with a code in the box. Bundles to mirror this on the eShop. Prices in the range of 70-100$. Though of course, all PREVIOUSLY purchased copies of these games would ALSO get the patch. Because I think even Nintendo knows locking graphical patches behind a "deluxe edition" doesn't fly well in this day and age, especially if the console is backwards compatible.
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I know we all doubt a "secret killer line up" situation for the second half of the year, but let me just douse those flames even more.
If you have. Killer games. And they're for existing hardware. And they're in a presentable state, which they would be if they're launching this year. And no contracts prevent you from revealing them. What you do is REVEAL THEM.
Pre-orders please the balance sheet. The balance sheet rules all. The sooner you can get people pre-ordering, the sooner you start marketing, the better.
If they had big games to show not tied to new hardware, they'd have shown them by now. If they had nothing at all for the next 6 months, they'd have the sense to spread out releases, remasters and DLC out into the later months. Instead, they're clearing the slate.
So what can we ascertain? Either their second half of the year is empty and they planned wrong, or their second half is significant because of something they're not willing to show yet.
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Unrelated, but I restarted my playthrough of Final Fantasy XII, then the trailer for Xenoblade 3 shows out of goddamn nowhere and COMING NEXT WEEK!!! So, yeah, FFXII's gonna be on the back burner for awhile. Between Future Redeemed and Tears of the Kingdom, I'm gonna be reeeeaaalllll busy. So if you don't see me in this thread for extended periods of time, you'll know why.
Also, while I am staunchly on #Team2023, I don't think we should get ahead of ourselves. Let's take what we've gathered here today and discuss responsibly,or don't, I'm not your dad. This zurg rush of info this week is interesting, but I'm not 100% that it'll correlate with an impending Redrakted reveal. I feel it, but I'm not too certain and I don't think tomorrow's Indie World will be all that illuminating. With that all said, Imma go play some Xenoblade 3 to get my hype under control.
Also, while I am staunchly on #Team2023, I don't think we should get ahead of ourselves. Let's take what we've gathered here today and discuss responsibly,
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I’d be riding the Xeno hype, but I need to restart one and two to get to Xeno 3
A non-confirmational bias argument: business-wise, it doesn’t make sense. Especially when the same organization has efficiently spread out its calendar with software before.
Confirmation bias or not, it doesn’t make sense.
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I'm the same atm. I know it's just one day, but the sheer volume of content announced today is enough for a Mini Direct on its own, at least. We've had:
-Xenoblade 3 expansion release date, Pyra/Mythra amiibo release date, and Noah/Mio amiibo announcement (enough for a Xenoblade Mini Direct on its own tbh)
-Mageseeker announcement (that League of Legends game)
-Disney Speedstorm
-Minecraft Legends
-NSO Genesis game additions
-Indie World announcement
I know Nintendo peppers random announcements throughout the year, but with how much we've gotten today, it very much feels like they're clearing the way for something in H2.
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I've leaned on the more skeptical side regarding the Switch 2 announcements, but yeah this is looking wayyyyy too sus now. The sudden strictness of the Feb Direct release windows, the E3 stuff, them announcing a massive story expansion to a tentpole 2022 title with only a week's notice... they have to have some reason for speedrunning their H1.
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They have 3D Mario and a new Mario Kart. Sounds like pretty good system sellers. Metroid Prime 4 will be cross gen and hopefully a new IP from Monolith Soft. The new system will have better third party support from the beginning too.
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Yeah I understand that but when the switch was released idon't remember anyone saying they wanted a 4k switch immediately.
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One thing I've had trouble understanding, mostly because he never really addressed the topic, is how Nate could believe that the new system is launching in Q4 2024 or even 2025 without any big heavy hitters. I'm sure he has his reasons, but for me, it's been difficult to imagine Nintendo having such a rich lineup of games that'll last another 2 years(??) Remasters can't get you much longer. We can't even think of potential holiday games besides MP4 which is not a candidate for Nintendo. We've never been this blind of future games Nintendo is making and yet Nintendo is deciding to force rush all of its known content out the door in an already packed H1.
They didn't NEED to shadow drop Metroid Prime Remastered. They could have held it for June (which is empty atm), but they didn't. They plopped it in between 2 games releasing within weeks of each other with Kirby, Bayonetta, Fire Emblem (including every wave of its DLC within a couple of months), Octopath Traveler 2, etc. Then they also added Advance Wars mere weeks before TotK, another unnecessary addition to an already full first 5 months when basically all of Summer is empty besides Pikmin.
Now we have Xenoblade's big DLC releasing in between an already tight frame of Advance Wars and TotK? Why?? This would have been perfect for June. Now it's going to be completely overshadowed. With all of this content, they're not pacing out their games at all like normal. They've completely front loaded all announced games this year, to a point of potential sale loss from being too tight. Can anyone who believes Q4 2024 or later explain why?
They didn't NEED to shadow drop Metroid Prime Remastered. They could have held it for June (which is empty atm), but they didn't. They plopped it in between 2 games releasing within weeks of each other with Kirby, Bayonetta, Fire Emblem (including every wave of its DLC within a couple of months), Octopath Traveler 2, etc. Then they also added Advance Wars mere weeks before TotK, another unnecessary addition to an already full first 5 months when basically all of Summer is empty besides Pikmin.
Now we have Xenoblade's big DLC releasing in between an already tight frame of Advance Wars and TotK? Why?? This would have been perfect for June. Now it's going to be completely overshadowed. With all of this content, they're not pacing out their games at all like normal. They've completely front loaded all announced games this year, to a point of potential sale loss from being too tight. Can anyone who believes Q4 2024 or later explain why?
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I can't shake the feeling that Nintendo is going to massively fuck up the name of this next system. As in calling it "Switch Pro", but treating it as a true successor system - in which case we'll all wonder why they just didn't call it the Switch 2. Or they'll use some overly fancy name that doesn't fully and clearly convey it's a successor, like "Switch Ultra" or "Switch Elite".It would be hilarious if the next Switch ended up being named Switch Pro.. Afters all the years of speculation, then reports that it was a thing but got canceled, and then in late 2023 Nintendo releases the all new Switch Pro.
This is giving me flashbacks to last year when people looked too deeply into how Nintendo handled their directs/marketing.
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Yeah they are in a delicate position… the development cycle for many big games is now closer to 4-5 years… so if they release bangers for Switch that are sequels of 2017-18-19 games, they won’t have new ones until 2026 or later… and they probably won’t want to launch a new system with class-B titles… so they could launch big games for Switch this year that are also cross-gen (announcing the system soon), or relying exclusively on DLC (Pokémon, Splatoon, Mario Kart) and minor games (publishing some Level-5 games, one or two GCN remasters…) until Redacted is ready late 2024… but then they could’ve spread the whole release calendar a bit better… releasing Future Redeemed just two weeks before TOTK (or Metroid Prime last month) doesn’t make too much sense to me unless H2 is packed …
who knows at this point what the hell is Nintendo thinking or planning lol
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With the news of Xeno3 DLC coming next week, I look at tomorrow’s partner showcase with a keener eye. Yes, we all know indies will come to the Switch long after REDACTED releases, but the timing of the showcase is interesting. Middle of April? Why? A June showcase would make more sense as well since some people would be done with TOTK at that point, and Nintendo would need some filler. Why not tack it on to E3 a June Direct or, like last year, a June Partner Showcase Mini?
… maybe because something bigger is being planned for June?
… maybe because something bigger is being planned for June?
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… please don’t read my above post.
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I forgot about Advance Wars
So…
• April 20th
Five days later:
• April 25th - Xeno3 DLC
Two weeks later
• May 12th - TOTK
This is tight, tight, tight…
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I mean, there doesn't seem to be a physical release coming and most people who have the base game have likely already bought it, so there's no skin off Monolith's back.
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Time will tell, but I'm not so sure this is quite like last year. Currently it's the marketing and the release schedule that stick out and have people questioning things. The releases this year have been incredibly frontloaded, with games (well, game) even being sandwiched between existing titles instead of, say, being pushed to H2.
It's definitely different from other years, but I guess the question will be whether or not it actually means anything. For all we know, Nintendo could just have a crazy amount of software they're pushing out this year and are treating H1 and H2 as separate things entirely. Or it could be a hardware announcement. Like I said, time will tell but I think there's something different.
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Guys, the Indie World announcement is something that would happen Drake or not, they tend to have one either this or next month, it's normal. As for them blowing their entire schedule for the year on the 1st half and not spacing it out more, well, that is not normal for them.
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If anything, it could mean they want to get as much covered in the first half as possible.With the news of Xeno3 DLC coming next week, I look at tomorrow’s partner showcase with a keener eye. Yes, we all know indies will come to the Switch long after REDACTED releases, but the timing of the showcase is interesting. Middle of April? Why? A June showcase would make more sense as well since some people would be done with TOTK at that point, and Nintendo would need some filler. Why not tack it on toE3a June Direct or, like last year, a June Partner Showcase Mini?
… maybe because something bigger is being planned for June?
Why they want to push everything this first half? Nobody knows.
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Devils advocate - the rest of the year is stacked just fine, and new hardware may be more than a year out from launch, so they aren’t doing anything out of the ordinary. MP4, FZero, Pikmin 4, some unknown first and third party things, etc. sounds like a solid H2.
I just happen to want new hardware yesteryear.
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they're expected, but if you believe that Drake is a long ways off, the Switch calendar is really empty and nothing is really going to soften the decline
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2D Mario (not a “NSMB” one) along with MP4, F-Zero, FE, Eternal Darkness HD and some surprise would do it…
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I'm incredibly excited for Metroid Prime 4 and Pikmin 4, and F-Zero would be sick, but are they high profile enough to be what carries the Switch through the second half of the year? Assuming hardware's a ways out, H2 looks... okay?
Don't get me wrong, they're going to be great games and I think MP4 could be the "breakout" game for Metroid (Metroid has always been in this weird spot of being prolific enough to be hyped and recognizable, but not big enough to be a big seller. Deserves better tbh) with the hype/momentum from Dread and Prime Remastered and the anticipation for Prime 4 from Metroid fans. It's a great second half if it's a swan song for the Switch, but imo not so much if it's supposed to set the stage for the next bit of the Switch's life/slow the hardware sales decline.
I think I'm at the point where it feels fruitless to speculate right now. They know what they want to do and they are executing it. Is it right or wrong, who knows. Like you said, time will tell. Essentially, what I want to get at is, I don't get surprised with whatever Nintendo does really. If they have a weak 2nd half I wouldn't be surprised. Would I think that means a 2024 first half release for Switch 2 is more likely? Maybe. But then again it could mean nothing. If something can mean nothing then speculating that it could mean something feels like you're going to drive yourself to conclusions that you want.
As for this year being different than other years, again so was last year. February direct pretty much gave us the entire lineup for the year. Then there was no normal direct in June. Although, I don't think there was much different in terms of how many games were being released like we're seeing so far this year from them. So I'll give you that. That is hard to ignore haha. I just don't want y'all to go crazy. Last summer was pretty mad because people were trying to understand why Nintendo was doing what they were doing....or not doing I guess. With that said I'm not saying you are wrong to think how you think. I was just really have bad flashbacks haha.
I see the trend of Nintendo's H1 releases being inexplicably packed together is continuing.
That said, the Indie World has nothing to do with this. It's just time for there to be one of those.
That said, the Indie World has nothing to do with this. It's just time for there to be one of those.
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Oh I'm not driving myself crazy haha.I think... This is all fun for me. The hardware will come when it comes, Drake or otherwise, and until then I'll just enjoy the games that I have to play and speculate/hype irresponsibly along the way.
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Same here xD I wouldn’t mind whatever they have in stock for us
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It’s not like every H2 has been loaded with bangers. There’s been highs and lows over the last 6 years, and if we add a few unknowns into the mix then, yeah, it sounds like a fine year.
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So, the Mio and Noah amiibos are likely going to be released in 2024, there might be a chance that they these may tie in with a new Xenoblade title that is coming after Xenoblade 3.
I'm guessing that it may be Xenoblade Warriors.
I'm guessing that it may be Xenoblade Warriors.
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You people are looking too much into Xenoblade DLC dropping this soon. Could they release it later in the year? Yes. But I would not think this is any confirmation of anything at all. Splatoon 3: Side Order will not release before September at the earliest for example.
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Well it is and it isn't. Any one of these things alone would be normal. Everything at once, that's odd.
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For me at least, it's not so much Xenoblade's DLC drop but the high volume of announcements made today on top. There's definitely some confirmation bias at play here, but with the tight release and the announcements, it very much feels like they're just getting stuff out of the way.
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These kind of just feel like the kinds of details you could have found in any other past year that would also potentially hint a new console coming soon. I feel like we'd have more of the regulars that actually have track records reporting these kinds of things saying stuff at this point if something were coming soon.
It isn't impossible but I don't think the vibe is right for 2023. I think Nintendo just might have an unusual software/marketing kind of year.
It isn't impossible but I don't think the vibe is right for 2023. I think Nintendo just might have an unusual software/marketing kind of year.
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Emaster?
So eReader support?
… would love to see an Emaster or a new Double U ave race from GC era
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FINALLY
None of Nintendo's choices for release scheduling this year are that weird in isolation (except shadow dropping Prime Remastered, that was pretty weird), but together they form quite a strange pattern where they're all strangely clustered together. They're clearing their slate in a way they just don't do normally.
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People think this all the time "they are getting stuff out of the way" way many people think this way, it's the same when they want to speculate because game x is getting revealed with basically no footage (ala Pikmin 4) so it must mean something, when it means nothing at all. Different games get different marketing schedules and releases. I would not think that Xenoblade final DLC would be released way later in the year, it would be July at the latest, because of the 1 year from the release.
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You're 100% right, but imo I think what feels different is just how all of those different schedules line up this time. Like @Pokemaniac said:
Like I said a few posts back, it could be (and probably is) nothing but it's at least entertaining to think about.
These Xenoblade story DLCs are functionally a new game unto themselves. The last one got its own cartridge, and this one is supposed to be similar in scope. It's a bit different from normal DLC.
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