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Aether
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Yeah, now that they have Lite V2 and OLED to kinda take the lower priced brackets, they are fine to go for 500 in the first year, and then move it... but i dont think they will.
They semingly tried to not change the price of the hardware once its announced to much, so i assume they will target a price they feel wont be to high in 1-2 years from now, so 4-450€ seems fine.
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I'd argue that the Wii U is a special case because many people mistook for an add-on and the Gamepad certainly didn't help that; while there were multiple factors pointing to the Wii U's failure, imo the argument still stands.People don't buy games consoles because of how they look, though. The way they were painting it was as if the wii u selling badly was because... people thought it looked ugly? Which is abhorrently stupid of an idea
And besides it isn't even relevant because I wasn't talking about sales
Also, I was referring to @YolkFolk making that comparison; it's kind of flawed, but it makes sense.
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Honestly I wish the joycons were similar in shape and size to the Wii remote. The remote was very comfortable to hold both in pointer/regular mode and sideways mode. Something with that shape that can be attached to the console rails (and obviously with at least all the buttons/features that the joycons have) would be a big improvement.
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having tried different formats for a stick for a project... and having held a wii mote 2 days ago:
its slightly to thick overall, and the moment you add a stick it would feel less perfect.
But the joycons for sure could take some cues from the wii mites. it does feel good in a hand.
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Thunderbolt was one of the examples in that patent, in the description [0133]
Granted, this was written before USB4 was finalised.
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That's why I keep thinking they'll change the colour. They already a mostly metal exterior, so I'm hoping for a brushed aluminium finish on the back.
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They could always introduce an evolution of the circle pad... add a stick click, make it more durable... all they'd need to do it make it not drift. That wouldn't add to the thickness at all, and it would still feel good
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I disagree, the Wii U, especially at the time, looks very unappealing. Regardless, I'd say that the Switch's visual appeal is up to par with Nintendo's other successes, like the Wii and DS. It tells you exactly what it says out to do with the dock and Joycons, no miscommunication, nothing getting in the way.
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Nah, i did not like any of the 2 itterations i tried (VPSP, 3DS), prefer the switch sticks. The movement in the z axis (not pressing a button) when tilting helped keep it from sliding, because downward pressure is easier to hold then down and side since the downward force only helped for friction, and the sidewards force was needed to keep it in the direction. (Mind you, the 3DS solution was worse then PSP simply cause it was rubbery instead of textured, meaning in fast paced games (smash bros) it cold happen that the finger got slightly to moist and it started to slide.
(Good, outside of gaming forums this would sound so weird...)
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Adding to the design change discussion for the Switch 2: they don’t need to change the design much. Just alterations that differentiate it from previous models. Like Phat > Lite > DSi
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Oh wait you meant for more of a Wii mote shape.
Kraj, hat's a less sideways position of the finger... That could actually work better with a circle pad
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I posted that video in jes ($600 is too high)t. In regards to $500 If there were 2 skus, with $499 being the higher end with the specs you described, and we get a lower end at $399 with less storage space, Nintendo would be fine I think. But it won't be nearly as successful as the switch if we just see a $500 console only lot of the gate. It wouldn't Wii u FLOP, but there is probably gonna be a large negative reaction with that price point.l, almost like the 3ds.
It would gate out a lot of the younger audience. I do think Nintendo wants it to be more price accessible vs the other two still, since it's very much a family oriented brand of consoles. I'm expecting current switch models will drop on price once switch 2 comes out. v2 and OLED drops by $50, and lite drops by $20-30 when Switch 2 comes out would be nice.
Would I buy for $500? Personally I don't care about a 1080p screen. If it was at least v1 battery life, I would see that as acceptable. My biggest thing is the storage. I would pay extra for a higher end sku with more storage, but I dunno about $500 for 512 GB.
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ShaunSwitch
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Now we have had some joy con debate there's something I have to say, I can't hold it in anymore. I'm sick of pretending, no matter what controversy it may cause.
I wish Nintendo had perfected the circle pad design, made it clickable, increased range of motion and somehow made it have less tension whilst still returning to center. I believe it would have been a far better compromise than those small, almost useless switch sticks.
I wish Nintendo had perfected the circle pad design, made it clickable, increased range of motion and somehow made it have less tension whilst still returning to center. I believe it would have been a far better compromise than those small, almost useless switch sticks.
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YugamiSekai
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Personally the only thing I want to see in new Joy-Cons are better ergonomics and better motion controls, everything else is perfect to me. Maybe analogue triggers that can lock and work like digital triggers too? But that could introduce a whole slew of new problems...
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I’ve long said $399 was my line in the sand for Nintendo consoles.
I also know myself well enough that if $499 was the price, I’d probably justify it somehow.
I also know myself well enough that if $499 was the price, I’d probably justify it somehow.
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Bringing my 3ds to a huge convention this weekend and only getting like 30 hits makes me sad
they should bring it back on this so i can relive the glory days of street pass at cons
they should bring it back on this so i can relive the glory days of street pass at cons
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We won't, am pretty sure of that. If it isn't in Joy-Con it also isn't in Pro Controller and vice versa. Even around when Switch released they said Joy-Cons with analog triggers would look bulky and not pleasing to look at.
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Ergonomically I way prefer the Joy-Con stick...
But, yeah, Circle Pads would be more practical.
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I thought the DSi only came in the matte finishes? Black and white at launch, with blue and pink later right?
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Speaking of racing games, I'm hoping Ubisoft puts The Crew 2 and Trackmania on the next Switch, they work well even without analogue triggers.
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Pressure sensors are tiny and cheap.
I could see them having fully digital triggers that move in the opposite way to GameCube triggers- they have a digital click first and foremost, and any pressure after that is detected by the pressure sensor.
They could use a mechanism like the PS2 face buttons, which were analogue-digital too by using a tapered conductive pad rather than a flat one. So you press it, just the tip touches the sensor. Press harder, and the pad flattens out and covers more of the sensor.
This would have the same result, feel wise, a digital click you can press down harder for analogue controls.
It would be cheap and fairly effective without disregarding the benefits of digital.
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Yeah.. but that's exactly what the company that neglected to include analogue triggers would say to justify why they didn't include them.
Joy cons are too slim for their own good... t's perfectly possible to include them on joy con esque controllers
(Inb4 everyone freaks out because I suggested something about the switch becoming bigger)
How many games NEED motion controls? How many games NEED HD rumble? Is it still nice to have those features? Absolutely.
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The blue model was literally called "metallic blue", because it was this (super premium feeling) metallic matte finish.
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I see this a lot, too. The narrative of huge parts of the Switch’s success being put down to “because pandemic” is overplayed to a point where it now comes across as downplaying its apparent success, and it doesn't hold up under proper scrutiny... AGAIN. Nintendo had similar success before a pandemic - the DS sold 30m+ a year twice in a row at its peak, and 112m within a 4 year window (23.56m, 30.31m, 31.18m and 27.11m). BUT what SHOULD have happened is more success for traditional stationary home consoles because we had to stay at home - Stationary consoles were also cheaper than the Switch at the time, and for a large part, many of their non-exclusive games were, too. The world was in quarantine, meaning that the "portable" and "play anywhere" element had become (temporarily) redundant - I mean, WHERE are you going to go to play when cities and towns are on lockdown? How much joy can be shared when you've been asked to isolate? Some people lost their working hours, while others could not return to their jobs, meaning that household incomes were reduced. Furthermore, when the Switch Lite was available, it never outsold the hybrid system, and when the OLED model arrived, it was received more positively than sections of the Internet would have some believe, because the thirst for a "Pro" or new system has been forever overstated. So much that even when the PS5 and XS dropped, neither could outsell the Switch - the PS5 couldn't do this in Britain in 2022, and some gamingtubers and publications are awfully quiet now that the system in its 7th year has returned to the top spot in its domestic market. It's wild that a system which sold around 18m units worldwide in its 6th year (6TH YEAR!!) is being called a "tech fail of a year which it didn't even release in" and "long in the tooth" - The gaming press isn't speaking the reality to its readership, and it's failing consumers around the world by trying so desperately to kill it off. It's an insidious agenda, actually... I feel that much like the Wii, the gaming community has to come to terms with the fact that Nintendo isn't their Doom Narrative, and they haven't stumbled into their success for reasons which don't fit. The masses love the concept, and with improved 3rdP support, a prospective successor can achieve higher heights. Finally, they're very capable of selling 100m+ portable devices each generation, and have the top 2 fastest-selling systems which achieved that point (DS and Switch).
Of course, but I still think it'll take a few years
Shoot me, but I don't think TOTK is going to sell that well
Relatuve to BOTW, that is. BOTW was the perfect storm, it was lightning in a bottle... and to mix meteorological metaphors.. i don't think it'll strike twice. Switch hype, plus it being one of the only games to play for a while meant that it got a mega boost in sales. Now the switch is dying, and TOTK is already very derivative of BOTW so it doesn't even have the thing of being a fresh new take on zelda...
I have no doubt it'll be an amazing game, but good game doesn't mean popular game
"Switch is dying" - Except Pokémon Scarlet & Violet, Xenoblade Chronicles 3, Splatoon 3, and Bayonetta 3 saw their fastest-selling entries in their respective IPs not even a year ago.The best-selling Switch title appeared the following month (Mario Kart 8 Deluxe) - Also, within the first year, there was a point when the eShop was getting many new releases each week, with multiple Indies reporting their best sales on the Switch, so, like every Nintendo success, it got rubbished with “Switch users are starving for games to play”. Game droughts aren’t a thing, and they certainly never existed on the Switch. LOZ: Tears Of The Kingdom pre-orders point to similar successes as IPs from last year. Just because a few “Influencers” want new hardware, it doesn’t mean that what exists is “dying”. It wouldn't be a surprise if TOTK ends up being the best-selling title of 2023. I get that an extremely vocal minority of people on the Internet want new Nintendo hardware tonight, but this is unreal and a desperate reach.
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BloodMoon
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I was think of the four original colours.
Just looked it up and yeah, metallic red and blue came a bit later with Style Boutique.
I loved the chalky finish of my black DSi, but the V1 switch isn’t a million miles off that.
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Congrats on 1000 pages, I guess. For the main part, I prefer to say whatever I wanted to say in longer posts, and give as thoughtful and considered a response as possible, rather than stick around for chit-chat and lots of shorter posts (Admittedly, I’m not the best at that, and spent the last year working on rebuilding my self-confidence, wrestling with verbal ellipses, etc…). But I hope that posters and prospective readers find some value in my contributions to the topic, and I also hope I can say I’ve encouraged others to dare to expect. On reflection and another note, I’m happy to have more serious, good faith discussions with others here or elsewhere, and if you’ve enjoyed any posts I’ve shared, thanks for reading them, for your Yeahs, and I hope your day will be as kind to you as possible. 
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You're actually agreeing with me then. My original point was that the switch is utilitarian, and you just described it as such. Only difference is that you like that kind of design, whereas I prefer designs that are more fun looking.
Now I would like to stop pointlessly arguing about subjective matters, so please leave it there
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Excuse Me, You literally wrote “Now the Switch is dying…” in that post, so, read it again - I didn’t put anything in your mouth, only quoted what came out of it. “Dying” alludes to steep decline, or something more worrying. A very modest decline is not that, especially with the additional context. Relative to the 6th year of other platforms, or even the better years of others, successful ones, even, 18m isn’t “dying”, especially when the software is selling very well, including fastest software sales in numerous IPs. It means the userbase is very active. A decline in hardware sales is a natural occurrence, but with an active userbase, they can enjoy a “harvesting” period and sell lots of software. Oh, and less of the tone. It won’t endear you to other posters. Have a nice afternoon, and ta-ta.
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I was arguing that the Switch was visually appealing.
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I forgot to mentioned there was an article from the Financial Times where SoftBank wants to mandate that companies that buy Arm based SoC designs from other companies (e.g. Nvidia, etc.) pay Arm a device royalty fee.
And assuming Qualcomm's claim that companies with a Cortex technology licence can't use SoC designs with a mix of Arm IP and non-Arm IP after 2024, only SoC designs with only Arm IP, is true, and assuming that restriction applies to companies paying Arm a device royalty fee, then using a SoC design with the Neoverse N IP for the CPU and Nvidia's GPU IP for the GPU is likely off limits to Nintendo.
One way to bypass that restriction, as I've mentioned here, is if Nintendo used a custom Arm based CPU design from Nvidia for SoCs designed after 2024. Nvidia has been working on a custom Arm based CPU design codenamed Estes.
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Dying is when decay exceeds growth.. in other words, when things are on a downward trend
You quoted me, then went on to attribute my words to the opinions and claims made by other people, and brought up software sales for some reason... that's all stuff that I wasn't talking about when I said that the switch is dying.
And no, there is no tone... I'm just being factual. It seems a lot more like you have a certain tone with this response than I ever have. I'm just here to discuss... in this discussion thread. I don't want to make friends or enemies.
And it's not the afternoon for me so please don't assume things
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I should clarify that I meant to say the main point of the patent has nothing really to do with Thunderbolt.
As far as I know, the patent only uses Thunderbolt as an example, not necessarily that Nintendo's looking into using Thunderbolt.
As I said before, I don't think Nintendo's going to use Thunderbolt anytime soon, because Nintendo probably needs to pay a third party lab to certify that Nintendo's following Intel's Thunderbolt specifications.
There's a possibility Nintendo could take a look into supporting USB4 40 Gbps. But nothing's guaranteed on that front.
And I don't think Nintendo's going to support external GPUs via USB4 40 Gbps anytime soon due to the technical issues highlighted by ILikeFeet.
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PikminSnezkov
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Yep that makes sense, thank you for sharing
ItWasMeantToBe19
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Why would that be helpful.
Don't all modern VR setups have cameras to track the controllers.
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I can reasonably argue if something is appealing to many people, which I did and this is one case, where I can say that sales data is at least relevant.
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No, no, no, we are NOT going back to needing line of sight with a sensor! I like my dock tucked away, you'll take my better cable management out of my cold, dead hands!
Though, also, no? Inside-out tracking is definitely possible. Could see them put a camera on the front and back of the Joy-Con (Bottom and top, beside the trigger, where a screw is currently.), and mapping a room like how Niantic's AR+ works. That + a magnetometer would mean no need for a constant set-top sync point. Especially bad on Switch when the console needs those inputs outside of TV mode, too.
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What controller has done this.
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technically the Wii remote lol
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Did it need to resync without the sensor bar.
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I'm just pointing out that it had the camera inside the controller lol. the "sensor bar" didn't sense anything, it was two "dumb" IR blasters that the remote cameras used as reference
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That used a sensor bar, but yes, the same concept can be applied to the TV/screen of the device using a modern full colour camera. All the sensor bar is, is two bright IR LEDs. Using a normal camera sensor, it could lock onto any object in the room as its "point of reference" instead of having a horrid, overly complicated, messy, annoying sensor bar, or one built into the dock limiting how it can be set up.
People who want the sensor bar back haven't used a sensor bar in a WHILE, it was no panacea and it was a PAIN to set up compared to the Joy-Con's no-setup motion controls.
It's not hard for a sensor to detect "bright rectangle = TV = forward". Even low end mobile phones can do AR nowadays without an IR blaster point of reference.
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What video?ok Spawn wave made a new video using fake information from nintendo redacted, i sent him this link
to show him it's fake,
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I don‘t know. I think it has more to do with consistency. The PS and XBOX brand are around for a long time, while Nintendo redoes their branding each time with console features that are sometimes not for everyone, regardless of how much of a Nintendo fan you are. I think the Switch is different...famiboards.com
then he deleted my comment.
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