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StarTopic Future Nintendo Hardware & Technology Speculation & Discussion |ST| (Read the staff posts before commenting!)

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Serif said:
Why frame it as "the old thing but again" rather "the old thing but better", like what "Super Nintendo" and "Game Boy Advance" did? People gladly eat up "old thing but better". I don't see much of a functional difference between those names and 'NES 2 / GB 2', other than sounding more 'oomphy'.

For what it's worth I'm unsure if Nintendo even likes using "2", When they named the Super Game Boy 2 it was a minor upgrade that didn't even play GBC games. And in that list of proposed names for the Wii, I don't see a single sequential numbering suggestion among the many that are there, though I'll need to see the full spreadsheet.
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I think they COULD go with a number.

But if they do I think that number will be X, pronounced Ten.
 
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Serif said:
Why frame it as "the old thing but again" rather "the old thing but better", like what "Super Nintendo" and "Game Boy Advance" did? People gladly eat up "old thing but better". I don't see much of a functional difference between those names and 'NES 2 / GB 2', other than sounding more 'oomphy'.
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it's simple: 2 implies a 3, while super and advance imply nothing
 
HERE'S AN IDEA:

What if it's Switch^2?

Switch, with a superscript 2, pronounced "Squared"?

It communicates the power difference, it's replicable (Switch Cubed, etc.).

Advertising having the resolution "square": the image quadruples and fuses together.

The logo animates into 4 mini logos and fuses back together.

"Play squared away, anytime, anywhere."
 
Concernt said:
HERE'S AN IDEA:

What if it's Switch^2?

Switch, with a superscript 2, pronounced "Squared"?

It communicates the power difference, it's replicable (Switch Cubed, etc.).

Advertising having the resolution "square": the image quadruples and fuses together.

The logo animates into 4 mini logos and fuses back together.

"Play squared away, anytime, anywhere."
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The Nintendo SwitchCube, we´ve come full circle
 
Concernt said:
HERE'S AN IDEA:

What if it's Switch^2?

Switch, with a superscript 2, pronounced "Squared"?

It communicates the power difference, it's replicable (Switch Cubed, etc.).

Advertising having the resolution "square": the image quadruples and fuses together.

The logo animates into 4 mini logos and fuses back together.

"Play squared away, anytime, anywhere."
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this is dope tbh

it has a 2 for the mouthbreathing mass market without evoking images of an assembly line
 
Raccoon said:
1. that they're giving up on new ideas and relying too heavily on the switch concept
2. that they are more interested in commercially safe execution of products than retaining creative identity

a switch 3 in 2030 would be pretty disappointing to me
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You mean the Swiiitch U
 
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Raccoon said:
switch 2 is actually the worst choice. it communicates that nintendo has no interest in creativity or progress in their hardware

"the old thing but again, please buy it" is the antithesis of nintendo and I'll be very nervous about the company if that's the direction they go in communicating the device. even a simple power upgrade should be conveyed in a way that doesn't condemn their future
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Brother in Christ be so fr rn
 
Raccoon said:
1. that they're giving up on new ideas and relying too heavily on the switch concept
2. that they are more interested in commercially safe execution of products than retaining creative identity

a switch 3 in 2030 would be pretty disappointing to me
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You just described my dream for nintendo this generation LOL. Switch 3 would be lame though, I'd hope they try something different when that time does come.
 
eye0h said:
You just described my dream for nintendo this generation LOL. Switch 3 would be lame though, I'd hope they try something different when that time does come.
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I want another switch too, honestly. the implication that it's all they're going to do disturbs me greatly
 
Raccoon said:
it's simple: 2 implies a 3, while super and advance imply nothing
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Super and Advance kept the brand names of Famicom/NES and Game Boy alive. They could have persisted, perhaps if the Game Boy were a more gender neutral name, and arguably the N64 is contracting the N(ES) name. Honestly, N64 is such a boring name, "64-bit Nintendo", just slap a piece of tech jargon and the name of the company.

I also don't see much wrong with the Switch persisting considering its form factor is easily 'Ship of Thesus-able' and they can ship whatever unique software/hardware they want as compatible with its modular nature or as a third-pillar device. It's already a culmination of many of Nintendo's past experiments and nothing stops them from adding features like wireless streaming to the tablet or asymmetrical multiplayer or making Rob the Robot 2 as a wireless bluetooth toy.
 
Concernt said:
I really can't see any ounce of logic in those names. 4K? Then what do you call the Lite?
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Well, seeing as how the Switch Lite doesn't switch, I don't know that they care. Again, I'm not married to any name. I just know Nintendo will want simple clear messaging and I don't see words like Super or Advance being popular with the new age marketing group. If you go back and watch 1990's commercials for consoles, a whole ton of the buzz words from back then are considered extremely dated by todays standards. With how Nintendo approaches these things, I think something like "New" Nintendo Switch is more likely than something like the Super Switch or Switch Advance, even though the Switch Advance name is quickly growing on me.
 
Concernt said:
Could someone translate for me? I'm not fluent in Zoomer.
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“My friend and colleague, request for thou to offer the upmost realistic position in the matter at this point in time as it is of utmost importance to the conversation at hand of the argument you presented and do so in a cordial fashion” = “Brother in Christ be so fr rn”
 
Goodtwin said:
Well, seeing as how the Switch Lite doesn't switch, I don't know that they care. Again, I'm not married to any name. I just know Nintendo will want simple clear messaging and I don't see words like Super or Advance being popular with the new age marketing group. If you go back and watch 1990's commercials for consoles, a whole ton of the buzz words from back then are considered extremely dated by todays standards. With how Nintendo approaches these things, I think something like "New" Nintendo Switch is more likely than something like the Super Switch or Switch Advance, even though the Switch Advance name is quickly growing on me.
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I just like the sound of Switch Advance, honestly. It feels less baldly iterative than Switch 2 or whatever.
 
Goodtwin said:
With how Nintendo approaches these things, I think something like "New" Nintendo Switch is more likely than something like the Super Switch or Switch Advance, even though the Switch Advance name is quickly growing on me.
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I think 'New' Nintendo 3DS served its purpose. They positioned it as a simple refresh, essentially a QoL update, and not quite a Pro or Super model. If they called it Super 3DS it would have raised expectations when in reality most games didn't leverage the new clockspeeds and there weren't a significant number of exclusives. Likewise 'New' Nintendo Switch would lower expectations for a Drake equipped console because we've seen what the 'new' 3DS was and it isn't much. I really don't want them to undersell this console, it deserves support Day 1.
 
eye0h said:
You just described my dream for nintendo this generation LOL. Switch 3 would be lame though, I'd hope they try something different when that time does come.
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I really, really want them to keep is simple, like, dead simple, same controllers simple, same UI simple.

Something tells me after all this time, they WON'T do that. Old controllers will be compatible but, I'm afraid to say it, new controllers, new "gimmicks" are probable.

If I were to make predictions:

Added motion controls, using a second IR Motion Camera and using the data stream from both for better spacial tracking.

A 1080p OLED panel that's "VR ready", with a bigger focus on VR modes than Toy-Con VR got.

No analogue triggers; instead, they will have pressure sensors, as these save safe in the already compact Joy-Con formfactor.

Partly because these seem like realistic iterations on what they have now, and partly because if they DO make changes those are the key changes I would like to see before they start trying to cram scroll wheel shoulder buttons into Joy-Con sized shells.
 
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ReddDreadtheLead said:
“My friend and colleague, request for thou to offer the upmost realistic position in the matter at this point in time as it is of utmost importance to the conversation at hand of the argument you presented and do so in a cordial fashion” = “Brother in Christ be so fr rn”
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Can someone translate into Modern English? I'm not fluent in Early Middle English.
Joking, I know what you mean now. I wasn't joking originally- I had no idea that was what you were trying to say. Look, I write in technical jargon full time. Scientific papers have language as verbose as Shakespeare and half as intelligible.
 
Ampharosophy said:
I hope with the switch 2 they'll finally remember it has a touch screen.
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That would need better motion controls available in TV mode, which is perhaps the one "Gimmick" I would actually like to see alongside pressure sensitive triggers.
 
Raccoon said:
1. that they're giving up on new ideas and relying too heavily on the switch concept
2. that they are more interested in commercially safe execution of products than retaining creative identity

a switch 3 in 2030 would be pretty disappointing to me
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Nintendo can innovate through their software. I'm fine with them sticking with the hybrid concept.
 
I went from not buying an oled, to buying one for TotK, then not buying one because there was a slight chance the successor releases in 2023, now back to buying one lol
 
I would actually not mind a dualsense-style touchpad for docked mode usage as a way of approximating the position on one's finger on the touchscreen - i.e. if you touch the touchpad at a northeast coordinate, the display will show a cursor at that corresponding coordinate where you 'touched' it. The issue would be fitting touchpads on the joy-con since they're meant to be the 'default' controller for all modes. Valve has a lot of horizontal room on their Steam Deck controllers to fit touchpads, Nintendo isn't going to go that wide.
 
Vash said:
I went from not buying an oled, to buying one for TotK, then not buying one because there was a slight chance the successor releases in 2023, now back to buying one lol
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I will repeat this until the bloody successor gets announced and/or the cows come home:

BIRD IN THE HAND IS WORTH TWO IN THE BUSH.

The OLED Model is an incredible handheld- I've been using handhelds for quite literally longer than I can remember, from Original GameBoy to now, I even tried the PlayStation Vita. OLED Model is an INCREDIBLE handheld and as a home console, home to some of THE BEST GAMES ever made. You cannot find the Witcher 3 AND Splatoon 3 AND Doom Eternal AND Tears of the Kingdom, all in one place, all portable, all with the whole game on-cartridge with no updates required to play it singleplayer, EXCEPT Nintendo Switch. I want a new, bigger, better Nintendo Switch not because I kinda like the concept but wish it was more capable but because I ADORE USING my Nintendo Switch and want to see what Nintendo can do with more power and what games third party developers can bring to the formfactor when power becomes a near non-issue.

Do not deprive yourself of a Nintendo Switch now for the CHANCE of a better one later. Enjoy life! Worst comes to worst you can always trade up or sell it, and Switches hold value. I sold my Switch from 2017 in 2019 for a nice round 300! Even 3DS has held its value after Switch's launch.
 
Seeing 2 djins in avatars...
They will promote it by a huge Golden Sun remake.
And it will have more dialogue, and NO skip button.
 
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Concernt said:
I will repeat this until the bloody successor gets announced and/or the cows come home:

BIRD IN THE HAND IS WORTH TWO IN THE BUSH.

The OLED Model is an incredible handheld- I've been using handhelds for quite literally longer than I can remember, from Original GameBoy to now, I even tried the PlayStation Vita. OLED Model is an INCREDIBLE handheld and as a home console, home to some of THE BEST GAMES ever made. You cannot find the Witcher 3 AND Splatoon 3 AND Doom Eternal AND Tears of the Kingdom, all in one place, all portable, all with the whole game on-cartridge with no updates required to play it singleplayer, EXCEPT Nintendo Switch. I want a new, bigger, better Nintendo Switch not because I kinda like the concept but wish it was more capable but because I ADORE USING my Nintendo Switch and want to see what Nintendo can do with more power and what games third party developers can bring to the formfactor when power becomes a near non-issue.

Do not deprive yourself of a Nintendo Switch now for the CHANCE of a better one later. Enjoy life! Worst comes to worst you can always trade up or sell it, and Switches hold value. I sold my Switch from 2017 in 2019 for a nice round 300! Even 3DS has held its value after Switch's launch.
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Youre positioning it as if its the question oled or no switch. Oled vs staying with a still working switch the proposition is less strong.

And i assume vash has a switch?
 
Concernt said:
I will repeat this until the bloody successor gets announced and/or the cows come home:

BIRD IN THE HAND IS WORTH TWO IN THE BUSH.

The OLED Model is an incredible handheld- I've been using handhelds for quite literally longer than I can remember, from Original GameBoy to now, I even tried the PlayStation Vita. OLED Model is an INCREDIBLE handheld and as a home console, home to some of THE BEST GAMES ever made. You cannot find the Witcher 3 AND Splatoon 3 AND Doom Eternal AND Tears of the Kingdom, all in one place, all portable, all with the whole game on-cartridge with no updates required to play it singleplayer, EXCEPT Nintendo Switch. I want a new, bigger, better Nintendo Switch not because I kinda like the concept but wish it was more capable but because I ADORE USING my Nintendo Switch and want to see what Nintendo can do with more power and what games third party developers can bring to the formfactor when power becomes a near non-issue.

Do not deprive yourself of a Nintendo Switch now for the CHANCE of a better one later. Enjoy life! Worst comes to worst you can always trade up or sell it, and Switches hold value. I sold my Switch from 2017 in 2019 for a nice round 300! Even 3DS has held its value after Switch's launch.
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Oh I shoulda been more clear in my post. I already own a switch V2 lol. I had a launch one then traded up to the V2 when it launched because of the better battery time. I also have PS5, series s, and a pretty serious PC I built last year so I could play most the games you mentioned. I'm just wondering if the screen is THAT much better on the OLED than the V2 that would justify an upgrade
 
Serif said:
I would actually not mind a dualsense-style touchpad for docked mode usage as a way of approximating the position on one's finger on the touchscreen - i.e. if you touch the touchpad at a northeast coordinate, the display will show a cursor at that corresponding coordinate where you 'touched' it. The issue would be fitting touchpads on the joy-con since they're meant to be the 'default' controller for all modes. Valve has a lot of horizontal room on their Steam Deck controllers to fit touchpads, Nintendo isn't going to go that wide.
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Which is why I think they'll stick to the gyro pointer approach, and just improve the motion controls a bunch. The IR Motion camera already captures 3 dimensions (It can measure depth as well as taking a 2D image). Ideally, a second one up beside the trigger for accuracy and redundancy, a processor on-board (which Joy-Con R already has for this purpose), and bam, pretty-damn-good full freedom motion controls without making the controller any larger.

If they do that, improve the joysticks, and make the triggers pressure sensitive, Joy-Con "2.0" really would be the "every" controller. Oh, and a magnetometer like the Wii U GamePad so it can auto-calibrate to the earth's magnetic field.

All these extra components might sound like an awful lot, but consider how much technology on that scale has improved since 2017, and I believe it's very possible. Magnetometers, IR motion cameras and pressure sensors cost pennies thanks to the economies of scale of the mobile phone industry, while better joysticks are something Nintendo themselves have admitted to working on constantly.
 
Switch has just started imo. Imagine a Switch in 2035+ with a near bezelless 1440p OLED HDR screen, hall-effect joy-con with lil butt grips and touch-sensitive shoulder buttons and HD rumble+, Nvidia Thor (or its successor) SoC with RTX, DLSS3+, foveated rendering for VR, camera and microphone array on the metallic tablet body, wireless streaming to an external display capability, full 4K 120Hz when docked, dock includes IR sensors for fitness applications and motion aiming. Includes Rob the Robot toy that will cook you breakfast.

A 'Game Boy' in 2003 was capable of much more than a 'Game Boy' in 1989. Likewise for this new line of hybrid devices.
 
Vash said:
Oh I shoulda been more clear in my post. I already own a switch V2 lol. I had a launch one then traded up to the V2 when it launched because of the better battery time. I also have PS5, series s, and a pretty serious PC I built last year so I could play most the games you mentioned. I'm just wondering if the screen is THAT much better on the OLED than the V2 that would justify an upgrade
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If you already have a V2, I say stick with it! Even as someone who LOVES my OLED... the V2 is fine. I got my OLED because I got it on a discount AND could trade in my V2 towards it. I think I ended up paying the equivalent of 60$ for mine after trade-in and promotions?
 
Serif said:
Switch has just started imo. Imagine a Switch in 2035+ with a near bezelless 1440p OLED HDR screen, hall-effect joy-con with lil butt grips and touch-sensitive shoulder buttons and HD rumble+, Nvidia Thor (or its successor) SoC with RTX, DLSS3+, foveated rendering for VR, camera and microphone array on the metallic tablet body, wireless streaming to an external display capability, full 4K 120Hz when docked, dock includes IR sensors for fitness applications and motion aiming. Includes Rob the Robot toy that will cook you breakfast.

A 'Game Boy' in 2003 was capable of much more than a 'Game Boy' in 1989. Likewise for this new line of hybrid devices.
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I unironically think you're undershooting things.
 
Vash said:
Oh I shoulda been more clear in my post. I already own a switch V2 lol. I had a launch one then traded up to the V2 when it launched because of the better battery time. I also have PS5, series s, and a pretty serious PC I built last year so I could play most the games you mentioned. I'm just wondering if the screen is THAT much better on the OLED than the V2 that would justify an upgrade
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(Personally no, since switch does not support HDR, on vivid it blows out some colors (less details), on neutr al the difference is not that huge. It IS a great screen, but if you are not exclusively playing dark games in a dark room i would just wait. If you ARE playing a lot of dark horror games (...? Why would you with those other platforms) then its worth a try.
 
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