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Dekuman said:
I do wonder if there will now be production in Vietnam as well to avoid international uncertainty and that may be why the factory leaks are different this time.

US election is next year and relations with China is rock bottom. Tariff threats could return even if the Dems win
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Nintendo's already having Nintendo Switch units be mass produced in Vietnam, so I don't see why not.
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NateDrake said:
I mean, yeah; GDC will certainty be a forum of conversation for many industry individuals -- whether any of what is shared via frien-da is reported by outlets/media remains unknown. But GDC will give clarity in some regard.
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Hey Nate, have you heard about Jeff Grubbs new rumor? What do you think of it? Is he in danger of losing some more hair, or...?
 
CypressFX said:
Hey Nate, have you heard about Jeff Grubbs new rumor? What do you think of it? Is he in danger of losing some more hair, or...?
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Do we really need his insight on a nothing comment that people are weirdly running with? Grubb relayed what he was hearing but never verified it and he doesn't believe it. His very own prediction like 20 seconds later was that he thinks it'd be announced late this year and released early next year.
 
As a reminder, the leak said the patch was releasing alongside DLC2, not that either of them were releasing alongside the hardware. So whatever winter 2023 or early 2024 means or whatever date it ends up being, that would just be a maximum date for the hardware launch, and it could happen any time before that. Like, oh, I don't know, holiday 2023 or something.

Still not buying the leak though. The unconfirmed part about the new Terastal mechanic doesn't seem terribly hard to guess, and doesn't prove knowledge of hardware plans even if true.
 
Early 2024 is how I saw it. The problem is they can’t announce it this year. It has to be announced in January or February
 
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Raccoon said:
somehow this is the most ridiculous statement in a forty thousand post thread
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I lived in Japan for a pretty long time. You didn't.

Also, you should know better than taking such hyperbolic and outrageous statement at face value.
But well, you just wanted to clash so I won't entertain this further.





And the tea from Shizuoka is really better than the one from Uji.
 
Bosintang said:
I lived in Japan for a pretty long time. You didn't.

Also, you should know better than taking such hyperbolic and outrageous statement at face value.
But well, you just wanted to clash so I won't entertain this further.





And the tea from Shizuoka is really better than the one from Uji.
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I'll take your word on the tea, but that's still a preposterously arrogant thing to say about people from any country, whether said sincerely or snidely
 
Pokemaniac said:
Sure they would. Especially if what they chose instead makes for a better showcase of the hardware.

Reminder that Nintendo's release schedule is completely empty after July, with the only undated game being Prime 4. They've got stuff to announce.
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Disagree, they wouldnt, same like they didnt with Zelda BotW for current Switch.
Zelda TotK is huge and one of biggest Nintendo games ever, doesnt make too much sense for Nintendo to launch next gen hardware 5-6 months after launch of sucha game, and thats why they are most likely not releasing Switch 2 this year but next year (maybe even in 2025.).
 
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TotK is very pretty. Its engine is improved compared to BotW, which was a port from the Wii U. However, it's still building on top of existing assets from the original six year old Wii U game, and new assets won't deviate much for the sake of consistency i.e. sky islands and new enemies will not suddenly incorporate much higher polycounts or a new lighting engine. Would it shine in 4K 60 with increased LoD, texture filtering, shadow res, AA, etc? Yes. But it doesn't need to be the launch game for this PS4+ level hardware, I can imagine some other title Nintendo puts out that at first glance will be obvious "yes, this isn't running on the current Switch". Maybe even a title that uses RTX. Like Kirby and the Ray-Traced Frosting of Destiny.
 
Raccoon said:
I'll take your word for it, but it's still a preposterously arrogant thing to say, whether said sincerely or snidely
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To answer you seriously*, there are two biases which I can think of which can give this impression:

1. Foreigners visiting or in my case living in Japan are often more invested in the local culture/country than those immigrating other countries. I was fluent in Japanese before moving there. I didn't know shit about Spanish when moving to Barcelona, and I'm honestly still not that great. Therefore, immigrants arrive in the country with an already broad knowledge of what to expect, probably broader than for people moving to another place.

2. Japanese people, from what I've seen, are often deeply invested in 1 or 2 hobbies, or at least a more limited number than in the west. They will be unbeatable at the said hobby and will dedicate a lot of time to it. It can be mountaineering, fishing, kickboxing, French classic ballet etc. But since it takes time to acquire such knowledge, the same person will in return have a more limited knowledge of things that just don't interest them. And since the favorite activity of an immigrant like me in Japan was to talk about what he knew in Japan, it often gave the impression that locals knew very little about their own country, and I'm far from being the only one who got that impression.

*Obviously, everything I'm saying here stems from my own impression.
 
Bosintang said:
To answer you seriously*, there are two biases which I can think of which can give this impression:

1. Foreigners visiting or in my case living in Japan are often more invested in the local culture/country than those immigrating other countries. I was fluent in Japanese before moving there. I didn't know shit about Spanish when moving to Barcelona, and I'm honestly still not that great. Therefore, immigrants arrive in the country with an already broad knowledge of what to expect, probably broader than for people moving to another place.

2. Japanese people, from what I've seen, are often deeply invested in 1 or 2 hobbies, or at least a more limited number than in the west. They will be unbeatable at the said hobby and will dedicate a lot of time to it. It can be mountaineering, fishing, kickboxing, French classic ballet etc. But since it takes time to acquire such knowledge, the same person will in return have a more limited knowledge of things that just don't interest them. And since the favorite activity of an immigrant like me in Japan was to talk about what he knew in Japan, it often gave the impression that locals knew very little about their own country, and I'm far from being the only one who got that impression.

*Obviously, everything I'm saying here stems from my own impression.
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ohhh, non-Japanese in Japan

that's totally different from how I interpreted it. yeah, I can totally see how a tourist or immigrant would care and know more about that sort of thing than the average native person

my bad. carry on with your superior tea
 
Concernt said:
I'd love to see a source on Nintendo holding the trademark for Switch 4K!
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Sorry, cant remember which YouTuber looked into this, but it does take some effort to look into. You have to file for a Trademark which means fronting the cash for the application and then they inform you if its available or not. Switch 4K was already taken by Nintendo when they applied for the trademark. I believe it was NintendoPrime that talked about it, but it was another person who actually was applying for trademarks to see what was and wasn't taken.

Red Monster said:
this is because i just bought an oled

you’re all welcome
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We appreciate you. Its not fair, but it had to be done. I do think you will enjoy the OLED model, and its always nice to have an additional dock to use on another TV.

Simba1 said:
No they wouldnt, same like they didnt with Zelda BotW for current Switch. Zelda TotK is huge and one of biggest Nintendo games ever, doesnt make too much sense for Nintendo to launch next gen hardware 5-6 months after launch of sucha game, and thats why they are most likely not releasing Switch 2 this year.
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Like Serif said, Zelda TotK is game that looks better than BotW, but still very similar. So its very much a game grounded in 10 year old technology. I think Nintendo will really market the Switch 2 as a 4K console and want to show off what it can do that your existing Switch cannot. A new 3D Mario is likely the launch title that they will really showcase, but it could also be a one two combo of Mario 3D and Metroid Prime 4. Prime 4 will never sell numbers like Mario or Zelda, but could be well positioned to be a graphical showcase.
 
I don't think that a game built on the skeleton of a WiiU game is what you want as flagship to demonstrate the capabilities of your new console, which arguably ONLY selling point is to be more powerful.
The narrative that Zelda had to release with the Switch 2 was exactly that: just a narrative, which was repeated so much that it ended up etched in our brain.
Crossgen Zelda only makes sense when the next console is of comparable power with its predecessor.

What the release game will be:
  • A game from one of Nintendo's strongest IP.
  • A game which has a history of pioneering gorgeous visuals and being a technical showcase.
  • A game which has a broad appeal both for the general audience and basement dwellers.
  • A game which hasn't seen a new entry in more than 4-5 years.

Only Mario 3D ticks all the boxes. Even a behemoth such as Mario Kart was never used as technical showcase in the past, though MK8 was really pretty for the WiiU.


With that being said, you can be sure that the Zelda DLC will be used as a way to promote the next console, and to have "something Zelda" on release.
 
Serif said:
TotK is very pretty. Its engine is improved compared to BotW, which was a port from the Wii U. However, it's still building on top of existing assets from the original six year old Wii U game, and new assets won't deviate much for the sake of consistency i.e. sky islands and new enemies will not suddenly incorporate much higher polycounts or a new lighting engine. Would it shine in 4K 60 with increased LoD, texture filtering, shadow res, AA, etc? Yes. But it doesn't need to be the launch game for this PS4+ level hardware, I can imagine some other title Nintendo puts out that at first glance will be obvious "yes, this isn't running on the current Switch". Maybe even a title that uses RTX. Like Kirby and the Ray-Traced Frosting of Destiny.
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Nah, it's not point about "is this running on current Switch" but about "this new hardware is place where this new greate game plays and looks best".
Also its not only point about how pretty game is, its more about how big and strong game is, its point about marketing.


Goodtwin said:
Like Serif said, Zelda TotK is game that looks better than BotW, but still very similar. So its very much a game grounded in 10 year old technology. I think Nintendo will really market the Switch 2 as a 4K console and want to show off what it can do that your existing Switch cannot. A new 3D Mario is likely the launch title that they will really showcase, but it could also be a one two combo of Mario 3D and Metroid Prime 4. Prime 4 will never sell numbers like Mario or Zelda, but could be well positioned to be a graphical showcase.
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I answered to Serif, it doesnt matter that looks similar.
 
Truno said:
Apparently the original Pokemon leaker made another post:

They specify that DLC2 is scheduled for release in early 2024 and the Switch model they mentioned is「次世代機」AKA "Next Generation." This doesn't make the original post any more legit, but it at least clears any assumptions about what the "New Switch Models" could be. Even if it turns out to be bullshit, at least they prevented an endless back and forth

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"Nintendo Switch Next Generation Machine" sounds extremely cool, I wonder how they will westernize.

I would guess "Nintendo Switch (2nd generation)" or something like that.
 
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I know Miyamoto is not involved in hardware anymore but I always found these comments interesting even if they are not hinting at anything. I believe next Switch will just use Joy-Con 2.0 but old Joy-Cons will probably not be backwards compatible physically due to different form factor of the device (wirelessly it should work just fine). With that said they will probably get rid of IR Camera and introduce something different and it addition this new controller will do what Miyamoto/Shiota are saying and implying accessibily option.

In July of 2019 during investor Q&A Miyamoto stated:
I also believe that we should quickly graduate from the current controller, and we are attempting all kinds of things. Our objective is to achieve an interface that surpasses the current controller, where what the player does is directly reflected on the screen, and the user can clearly feel the result. This has not been achieved yet. We have tried all kinds of motion controllers, but none seem to work for all people. As the company that knows the most about controllers, we have been striving to create a controller that can be used with ease, and that will become the standard for the next generation.
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Ko Shiota, General Manager of Hardware Department added:
We have not yet invented an all-purpose controller that is unlike any of the current devices.
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Can you imagine if 60fps/480p Majora's mask had been a cross generation flagship title for the GameCube. Ridiculous right?

Well, that's TOTK being the flagship for Drake. We're already lucky that we at least live through the age of back compatibility, and we'll be able to play TOTK at a much higher resolution a year later.
 
Did the thread get unpinned? I can’t find it without searching for posts anymore. Did I do something dumb?
 
Bosintang said:
Can you imagine if 60fps/480p Majora's mask had been a cross generation flagship title for the GameCube. Ridiculous right?

Well, that's TOTK being the flagship for Drake. We're already lucky that we at least live through the age of back compatibility, and we'll be able to play TOTK at a much higher resolution a year later.
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I've said for a while now that TotK suited a Switch Pro but was insufficient for a Switch 2

Something that the Wii and Switch had in common was that their power increases relative to their predecessors were negligible and their main appeal lied elsewhere (motion controls and portability). If they're going to sell something on power it needs software that uses it
 
Simba1 said:
Nah, it's not point about "is this running on current Switch" but about "this new hardware is place where this new greate game plays and looks best".
Also its not only point about how pretty game is, its more about how big and strong game is, its point about marketing.
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They will absolutely market Switch Advance with a TotK patch and make that exact statement (this is the best way to play Switch games), but I don't think it should be or needs to be the headliner. They could have a big game in the form of a Bowser's Fury style 3D Mario that demonstrates a graphical leap and really leverages 4K resolution. We are anticipating Switch 2 to have the same form factor as Switch 1, so I think power and exclusive games will be the biggest differences to highlight in marketing. I don't think they should undersell this console, they need to make it obvious Day 0 "this is a much more powerful hybrid console that is capable of 4K and can produce next-gen visuals".
 
Bosintang said:
Can you imagine if 60fps/480p Majora's mask had been a cross generation flagship title for the GameCube. Ridiculous right?

Well, that's TOTK being the flagship for Drake. We're already lucky that we at least live through the age of back compatibility, and we'll be able to play TOTK at a much higher resolution a year later.
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I think that would be true if those f us that were expecting TOTK to be a showpiece on next hardware didn't expect them to add anything to it.
I'm pretty sure those advocating for TOTK switch 2 update would include not only higher native rendering and higher fpsas well as DLSS support for higher resolutions still ... but also High res textures, more advanced shaders where appropriate, Raytraced effects, (be it shadows, lighting, reflections GI ... AO... or a balanced mix) ... would be leagues ahead visually than the switch version.
If they aren't willing to do that then, yeah ,... you'd be right... it wouldnt be that big of a deal for sswitch 2, and should put out something else to showcase it's features...

More than likely though knowing nintendo they'll have a few things that showcase whatever it is they'll be pushing this next gen.
 
MP! said:
I think that would be true if those f us that were expecting TOTK to be a showpiece on next hardware didn't expect them to add anything to it.
I'm pretty sure those advocating for TOTK switch 2 update would include not only higher native rendering and higher fpsas well as DLSS support for higher resolutions still ... but also High res textures, more advanced shaders where appropriate, Raytraced effects, (be it shadows, lighting, reflections GI ... AO... or a balanced mix) ... would be leagues ahead visually than the switch version.
If they aren't willing to do that then, yeah ,... you'd be right... it wouldnt be that big of a deal for sswitch 2, and should put out something else to showcase it's features...

More than likely though knowing nintendo they'll have a few things that showcase whatever it is they'll be pushing this next gen.
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No matter how much bells and whistles you add, it will still be at core the same visuals. Those are great of course, and would be magnified by the more powerful hardware. We can already see that on emulators.

But you would also have day 1 third party games which would technically stomp TOTK just by virtue of being developed with a higher baseline.
 
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were talking about big titles to launch redacted with... but what if they will launch it with a new, graphically impressive ip (and probably an 3d platformer)
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Bosintang said:
I don't think that a game built on the skeleton of a WiiU game is what you want as flagship to demonstrate the capabilities of your new console, which arguably ONLY selling point is to be more powerful.
The narrative that Zelda had to release with the Switch 2 was exactly that: just a narrative, which was repeated so much that it ended up etched in our brain.
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The narative started when it was still a switch pro, and in that context its the best game to demonstrate (next to Metroid Prime 4).
Its just that its not a pro anymore, but a successor, so the narative became outdated.
Bosintang said:
Can you imagine if 60fps/480p Majora's mask had been a cross generation flagship title for the GameCube. Ridiculous right?

Well, that's TOTK being the flagship for Drake. We're already lucky that we at least live through the age of back compatibility, and we'll be able to play TOTK at a much higher resolution a year later.
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thats...not the same at all?
The jump between N64 and GC was so huge, we will never have that jump again, AND the change in tech/architecture is bigger then if you would jump now from platform to platform.

switch 2 will be backwards compatible, will play the same games.
Lets see...what could we compare it to...
maybe some of sonys BIGGEST RELEASES.
Horizon? GoW? Cross gen, and heavily used to promote PS5.
 
Simba1 said:
Disagree, they wouldnt, same like they didnt with Zelda BotW for current Switch.
Zelda TotK is huge and one of biggest Nintendo games ever, doesnt make too much sense for Nintendo to launch next gen hardware 5-6 months after launch of sucha game, and thats why they are most likely not releasing Switch 2 this year but next year (maybe even in 2025.).
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TotK is big, but it's not so big that it absolutely demands new hardware release alongside it. Especially when Nintendo's other big launch title series, Mario (both in 2D and 3D forms), has been conspicuously absent for so long.
 
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