StarTopic Future Nintendo Hardware & Technology Speculation & Discussion |ST| (Read the staff posts before commenting!)

[LiC]

Nintendo is a secretive company who’s secrets rival even the NSA’s. I wouldn’t put it past them to put an entire lockdown regarding knowledge about their next system, given their handful of lawyers and the massive gigaleak which would no doubt put them on complete guard.

But they demonstrably didn't do this, is my point. Something like the number of CPU cores for T239 showing up in L4T source, months after the big GPU spec leak, would have been trivial for Nvidia to prevent (using their guardword blacklists) if Nintendo cared. So the evidence suggests Nintendo doesn't care.

 

[SiG]

But they demonstrably didn't do this, is my point. Something like the number of CPU cores for T239 showing up in L4T source, months after the big GPU spec leak, would have been trivial for Nvidia to prevent (using their guardword blacklists) if Nintendo cared. So the evidence suggests Nintendo doesn't care.

They weren't able to do anything because the leak had already occured before they were able to find the source and plug it. Once things have been leaked on the internet, you can't really "unleak" it.

And you can't really say for sure if the guardword blacklist didn't indeed go into effect, and the information that's being rumaged through in these discussions is just honeypot information to let Nvidia/Nintendo know who might potentially be snooping said info. It's the reason why much of the posts here are hidden.

I am pretty sure Nintendo cares about confidential information and trade secrets.

 

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[Hermii]

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Edit: damnit, what am I doing wrong?

 

[LiC]

They weren't able to do anything because the leak had already occured before they were able to find the source and plug it. Once things have been leaked on the internet, you can't really "unleak" it.

And you can't really say for sure if the guardword blacklist didn't indeed go into effect, and the information that's being rumaged through in these discussions is just honeypot information to let Nvidia/Nintendo know who might potentially be snooping said info. It's the reason why much of the posts here are hidden.

It's not about undoing what was already leaked. You said the hack could have made them go into "full lockdown" with information. I'm saying it didn't, since further details became public from Linux commits that continued until August (the hack was in February), revealing additional things that weren't known even from the hack. And the stuff in the commits is not much, but at the same time, it would have been trivial to prevent if anyone cared.

I am pretty sure Nintendo cares about confidential information and trade secrets.

Like I said, I believe they're treating T239 similarly to TX1+, so a lot of the information about it is considered Nvidia's to do with as they please. Again, this is demonstrable to at least some extent, since if it was treated as a 100% private project for Nintendo only, there would be zero mention of it in public L4T source. The confidential info Nintendo cares about most are things Nvidia would never publish anyway, like register spec, security mechanisms, etc. as well as of course release plans. And I did say I would believe if there's less information floating around Nvidia about the project status or release timeframe of T239 specifically.

 

[ReddDreadtheLead]

See, handwavy. Thanks (and welcome back)

What do you mean

Sure, but we're not talking about SRAM scaling, we're talking about Ampere vs Lovelace, where the SM design didn't change. Ampere on 8nm vs Lovelace on 5nm is reasonable proxy for a density change between a 5nm Drake and an 8nm Orin.

Sure but the SRAM matters here as both have a lot of SRAM as part of their design. Like a 1MB L2 would be almost 8mm^2 on 8N vs 2-3mm^2 on 5N

It matters a lot in these discussion!

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So you’re the one who stole my peanut butter sandwich in the third grade! :O

Tsk tsk, coming clean like this I see

 

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[Pokemaniac]

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Edit: damnit, what am I doing wrong?

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[Ojoloco]

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Good luck on the new job

 

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[Ojoloco]

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you are always welcome to comment, even if you can no longer analyze information or make speculations

 

[Cuzizkool]

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Good luck! Thanks for always answering my n00b questions!

 

[Gerald]

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Good Luck

 

[lattjeful]

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[KeijiKG]

A graphics enhancement patch is not coming out alongside a new OLED model, and a second set of Pokémon SV OLED models is not happening anyway.

If you believe this information is real, they are clearly stating that an enhancement patch for SV (like the kind that's been discussed for other games here ad nauseum) is planned to release with the DLC alongside the upgraded hardware that will run it. I don't believe it, but I also don't believe in a middle ground where they have legitimate hardware info but it's actually about something else.

Yes, I read the notes thank you.
Pokemon has always been my bread and butter.

 

[KeijiKG]

why are people hyped by this news?

Mario Movie wrap party, I bet.

 

[Dekuman]

Cross posting from the rumor thread.

Another video popped up today covering the rumors around the OG Switch. I know I've shared Scott the Woz's video on the same topic previously, but i thought this could be interesting. haven't watch all of it perosnally yet but the first 20 minutes is promising, as it's a very well research blow and blow of the news reporting, leaks, and speculation on line. It gives perspective to Switch 2 news.

 

[BDrummer1606]

So Jeff Grubb now hearing rumors of Switch 2 end of 2023 (he has not verified yet, but heard rumors). He just said 45% chance he thinks it will release this year.

 

[Serif]

Jeff threatening the livelihood of his hair once again

 

[Procheno]

Jeff threatening the livelihood of his hair once again

This time, it's Jeff's beard

 

[LiC]

So Jeff Grubb now hearing rumors of Switch 2 end of 2023 (he has not verified yet, but heard rumors). He just said 45% chance he thinks it will release this year.

I've got to say I don't hate a position that's basically "I'm just relaying what I hear, might be junk, don't take it too seriously" as opposed to stating something with high confidence only for it to turn out to be bs later. Considering how loud some people groan whenever a new hardware rumor pops up these days it does take a certain devil-may-care attitude to just throw one out there anyway, and I can respect that.

 

[Johnzyboi]

I've got to say I don't hate a position that's basically "I'm just relaying what I hear, might be junk, don't take it too seriously" as opposed to stating something with high confidence only for it to turn out to be bs later. Considering how loud some people groan whenever a new hardware rumor pops up these days it does take a certain devil-may-care attitude to just throw one out there anyway, and I can respect that.

They took his hair. What else can he lose.

 

[ILikeFeet]

They took his hair. What else can he lose.

not all of it

 

[sagadego20]

not all of it

Reduce it to homer Simpson amount

 

[Josh5890]

At this point, we just need a Team 2023 avatar bet.

 

[Red Monster]

So Jeff Grubb now hearing rumors of Switch 2 end of 2023 (he has not verified yet, but heard rumors). He just said 45% chance he thinks it will release this year.

this is because i just bought an oled

you’re all welcome

 

[VolcanicDynamo]

So Jeff Grubb now hearing rumors of Switch 2 end of 2023 (he has not verified yet, but heard rumors). He just said 45% chance he thinks it will release this year.

45% odds, huh? We got a coinflip, then. We'll see what happens. If it means I get my 3D Mario sooner, then I'm here for it, but I won't hold my breath. Not until we see it for certain!

 

[chocolate_supra]

this is because i just bought an oled

you’re all welcome

All this type of talk is making me wonder if holding out with my Erista has been the reason the refresh got shelved and Drake has just sorta been hanging in the wind

 

[SpaceGodzilla]

At this point, we just need a Team 2023 avatar bet.

you should make that thread then

 

[Semi Lazy Gamer]

this is because i just bought an oled

you’re all welcome

I did too, but that was because my launch day Switch decided to teach the passion of blue.

 

[fwd-bwd]

Nvidia's RTX Video Super Resolution (VSR) has been released. It's an evolution of the Shield TV "AI upscaling". You may read more about it here. Here's the tl;dr version:

The driver provides four levels of enhancement. The highest level (4) requires a more powerful RTX card. This makes me think that the VSR technology—at the highest level—may not be suitable for Switch 2 to upscale non-DLSS games. However, the computational cost at a lower VSR level might(?) be light enough for Drake to render the game plus VSR. Obviously it isn't as good as DLSS, but could be an option to upscale legacy games.

Comparison video (watch it in 4K):

 

[Brofield]

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[Herb Alpert]

So what's going to release first : silksong or switch 2?

 

[Bosintang]

Everytime a somewhat realistic rumor pops-up on the internet, a random insider comes out of the woods to say they heard something similar. But be careful, it may or may not happen!
My tea leaves have as much credibility.

 

[Deleted member 2]

Not gonna lie, Thing I Know sounds like a good game

 

[Deleted member 2]

Everytime a somewhat realistic rumor pops-up on the internet, a random insider comes out of the woods to say they heard something similar. But be careful, it may or may not happen!
My tea leaves have as much credibility.

God we get it

 

[Hermii]

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[Eclissi]

Everytime a somewhat realistic rumor pops-up on the internet, a random insider comes out of the woods to say they heard something similar. But be careful, it may or may not happen!
My tea leaves have as much credibility.

About the next Nintendo console all the insiders have made a bad impression, even those who frequent this forum. I have decided to listen only to DF and to follow the story of uncles with sympathy, stop.

 

[arsen]

Everytime a somewhat realistic rumor pops-up on the internet, a random insider comes out of the woods to say they heard something similar. But be careful, it may or may not happen!
My tea leaves have as much credibility.

You shouldn't take it that seriously

 

[Mr Swine]

If Nintendo is truly going to release Switch 2 this year they would announce it around April or May, have a big blowout in July or August and release it in October or November.

But so far that is pretty unlikely to happen. And the whole graphics upgrade for Pokémon could simply mean that the engine GF is using has been optimized enough so that they can increase the fidelity and a Switch 2 is not really needed.

So I still believe a late 2024 reveal and early 2025 release for Switch 2 with a brand new Zelda game

 

[Herb Alpert]

So I still believe a late 2024 reveal and early 2025 release for Switch 2 with a brand new Zelda game

Wow Let's not go crazy here. It took 5 years for a Zelda that reuse a lot of the assets of BotW.
We probably won't see anything about a new Zelda until 2026 and it will be delayed one year later than announced like always.

 

[SiG]

Cross posting from the rumor thread.

Another video popped up today covering the rumors around the OG Switch. I know I've shared Scott the Woz's video on the same topic previously, but i thought this could be interesting. haven't watch all of it perosnally yet but the first 20 minutes is promising, as it's a very well research blow and blow of the news reporting, leaks, and speculation on line. It gives perspective to Switch 2 news.

Man, the people in the comments video are suuuper bitter about the success of the Nintendo Switch still.

 

[Derilian]

If Nintendo is truly going to release Switch 2 this year they would announce it around April or May, have a big blowout in July or August and release it in October or November.

But so far that is pretty unlikely to happen. And the whole graphics upgrade for Pokémon could simply mean that the engine GF is using has been optimized enough so that they can increase the fidelity and a Switch 2 is not really needed.

So I still believe a late 2024 reveal and early 2025 release for Switch 2 with a brand new Zelda game

The big problem I have with this is that the reveal is basically two years away, what content are they going to fill these two years with?

I find it hard to believe they would blow their load of a new Mario, next level games next game, good feels next game, the Mario kart team, another paper Mario, more fire emblem, Metroid prime 4, the next Mario sports and Mario party games, the list goes on and on.

If none of those were to come out then we’d really be scraping the bottom of the barrel for two whole entire years, think about how many games Nintendo has produced in the last 2 years.
If they did come out then most of their studios would have no games ready to go until 2-3 years into the next systems life cycle.

The switch really can’t survive another two full years until reveal and then even longer until successors release on some indies here and there, 3rd parties which are also mostly moving on, and some sparse Nintendo games or ports here or there.

When you start trying to imagine the reality of almost two full years before whatever comes next it all starts falling apart. It would be like the end of the Wii U where everyone had given up on Nintendo, except dragging on even longer.

All this and I haven’t even mentioned their stock which is already being marked as having a poor outlook by analysts simply because none of them have any clear idea what’s coming and when, their share prices would tank if there was two more full years of silence.


Sorry for the novel! I don’t mean to shoot down your speculation so hard, it just seems incredibly impractical from a company and planning standpoint.

 

[Bonejack]

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Don't worry, for you, i will continue to pretend you're Jon Snow and know nothing. I have your back.

 

[Charamiwa]

I'm at a point where rumors and hearsay don't really affect me. Every possible opportunities for this device to come out sooner than we thought has come and gone, and now we're at a point where it just make sense to arrive at any point without it being a surprise. I really think we will know early May one way or another, at the investor's meeting for the next FY. If it really is coming out late 2023, I can't see them not acknowledging it there. I can understand wanting the actual marketing to be closer to launch like with the first Switch, but keeping it secret to investors when it's time to lay out the plan for the next fiscal year makes no sense. In my mind it's pretty clear cut, if we don't hear about it early May, it's not coming out this year (and even March 2024 would be compromised.).

 

[ILikeFeet]

Nvidia's RTX Video Super Resolution (VSR) has been released. It's an evolution of the Shield TV "AI upscaling". You may read more about it here. Here's the tl;dr version:

The driver provides four levels of enhancement. The highest level (4) requires a more powerful RTX card. This makes me think that the VSR technology—at the highest level—may not be suitable for Switch 2 to upscale non-DLSS games. However, the computational cost at a lower VSR level might(?) be light enough for Drake to render the game plus VSR. Obviously it isn't as good as DLSS, but could be an option to upscale legacy games.

Comparison video (watch it in 4K):

Sucks up a lot of power unfortunately. The more cores you have the lower the power used at the low settings

 

[Deleted member 2551]

So I still believe a late 2024 reveal and early 2025 release for Switch 2 with a brand new Zelda game

A new Zelda game releasing less than 2 years after TotK is less realistic than Switch 2 announcement being tomorrow I feel.
I don't think we are gonna see a new Zelda before the finishing years of Switch 2.

Maybe an outsourced 2D Zelda game, but I doubt it would be a major system seller.

 

[Simba1]

If they releasing "Switch 2" this year, than Nintendo would save Zelda TotK like launch title.

 

[Mirev]

If they releasing "Switch 2" this year, than Nintendo would save Zelda TotK like launch title.

Or maybe they want to sell both Switch and Switch 2 releasing a patch upgrade with the new console

Why Sony didn't save The Last of US 1 for PS4?

 

[ertaboy356b]

Nvidia's RTX Video Super Resolution (VSR) has been released. It's an evolution of the Shield TV "AI upscaling". You may read more about it here. Here's the tl;dr version:

The driver provides four levels of enhancement. The highest level (4) requires a more powerful RTX card. This makes me think that the VSR technology—at the highest level—may not be suitable for Switch 2 to upscale non-DLSS games. However, the computational cost at a lower VSR level might(?) be light enough for Drake to render the game plus VSR. Obviously it isn't as good as DLSS, but could be an option to upscale legacy games.

Comparison video (watch it in 4K):

It uses tons of power though. People claim that their GPU power jumped from 20W to 220W when the feature was turned on.