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StarTopic Future Nintendo Hardware & Technology Speculation & Discussion |ST| (Read the staff posts before commenting!)

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Dekuman said:
No predictions so I assume they will discuss the Switch performance in 2022, strong sales, games they like etc.

Can we.expect new info if they explicitly say no predictions?
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karmitt said:
He said it wouldn’t be a predictions video ie. Nintendo 2023 predictions, akin to what they just did for Xbox.

We don’t know what the subject will be yet
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It could be hardware, or it could be a discussion on Nintendo’s marketing of Tears for example, as that’s been a hot topic.

I think it is safe to assume he won’t be talking on the “will we see new hardware in 2023” subject much if it is hardware, and more so about the supposed hardware cancellation. We’ll see soon.
 
Dekuman said:
No predictions so I assume they will discuss the Switch performance in 2022, strong sales, games they like etc.

Can we.expect new info if they explicitly say no predictions?
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I fully expect that by tomorrow there'll be 10 new pages filled with posts that go on and on about some vague comment made by MVG or Nate
 
Is tomorrow the time for reckoning? Weird coincidence since I had previously guesstimated news on Drake between late December (29th) which we kind of got around that time thanks to John L's comments on the DF podcast regarding the "canceled" Switch mid-gen update. And the latest date I gave (if we were to hear something regarding a May 12 launch) was January 18. So if we finally end up hearing about this new hardware tomorrow from insiders (Nate) for the first time in almost a year and a half...I don't know if that's dumb luck or something else.

Either way I was expecting any new comments to come from Mochizuki or even Nikkei in that 12/29/22-1/18/23 timeframe purely based off of previous article timings prior to new hardware launches. At this point, I just want to know if H1 is still on the table or not and what happened to the "late 2022 at the earliest" and "Q1/H1 '23" comments from the last two years.

I assume at this point that although Drake seems to be ready or near-ready, something happened or didn't happened, which caused a delay. Which I guess would be two delays at this point? Late 2022 was either the pre-pandemic or best-case plan even after it. But all the shortages and software delays (first and third party) were bad enough that everyone was okay with an initial half year delay? Maybe Nintendo told developers, "One last delay to late 2023 with a cut-off of H1 2024 guaranteed, for sure this time" because they could get a better node with more performance?

Otherwise, I don't see what use a delay without improving the HW would accomplish. I guess "2022 at the earliest" from MZ was really just that and was the original plan and May 12, 2023 seemed like a big enough delay to us. When in reality, Nintendo and perhaps even 3Ps needed/requested a full year. We'll see.
 
I dont know, this thread is so depressing to me. I think Nintendo has now the opportunity to use its momentum, with delivering a good iterative Switch 2, 'til the old Switch gets phased out in 2/3 years. But now it seems very unlikely. I hope i'm wrong, but i get the same feeling as in the Wii to WiiU days 😵‍💫.
 
Seboss said:
How do you manage digital games? With only two Switches in the household, it's already a nightmare.
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We have 4 switches in the house
The way I did it was make my launch switch the primary switch and I let the kids share it ... since it's my primary every piece of software is playable on any profile with their own saves
My OLED is my secondary
Another switch is my oldest kids primary and he actually has his own account so he has bought his own games ... If I want to play his then I make my OLED his primary and his switch his secondary
for pokemon it worked out quite well since there were 4 people who wanted to play it AT THE SAME TIME

Kid switch primary with Scarlet- my OLED Primary with violet
Oldest Secondary with Violet- Switch lite secondary with Scarlet

I think we've even played splatoon together like this online somehow. It's not perfect but it works
I DO hope nintendo expands it to be a little more family friendly ... like allowing Software to be played on up to 4 switches if you have NSO family plan or something... I get why they don't but it would be nice.
 
Concernt said:
2016 was one of 3DS' biggest years. It can't stand up quite so well next to a phenomenon like Switch, but 2016 was big for it. And only one year after they brought out major revisions, too.
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For hardware, each year was worse than the one before. For software it's not that simple: 2016 was up from the year before, but 3DS never ramped up much from year one to begin with.
They didn't even worry Switch would suppress New 2DS XL sales, and it didn't.
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I'm not sure what this could even be based on? N2DSXL was a late model for people only wanting to pay half as much as for a Switch, sold half decently for one holiday season, and has no pre-Switch time to compare with.
I expect the same to happen, per:

A lot of casual users aren't interested in a 400+ dollar super-premium Switch, at least not at launch, and many people who never got a Switch before it launched may be happy to jump on the Switch 1 as its price tumbles post-Switch 2 release.
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I think the difference is 3DS in 2016 was well past its prime (whatever that was). Switch remains much more vital, so there are a higher percentage of "core" buyers still jumping in late today.
 
im... confused by nates tweet.
So... its not a prediction for 2023, but its about nintendo.
Talking about TotK would be predictions of 2023 to some degree.
Talking about the next direct is to some degree 2023 predictions.
Talking about hardware is to some degree 2023 predictions.
...so its not predictions for 2023 because its only predictions for parts of it?

With implying its not predictions i read it either a look back and discussing where they stand, OR him just not wanting to specify so that people are like "oh, yeah, not that interesting" and instead open the podcast and maybe stay when its already running?
i mean, i like him as a participant in this forum, but even when not being an insider i feel like his way of wording things is just.. not concrete a lot of the time.
 
With regards to Nate's tweet and some of the confusion it seems to be causing, you have to remember that Nate has never reported on his Switch Pro/2 info as a prediction. He's previously phrased it all as legitimate info he's heard. Also if you look at one of his previous posts, I think he lays it out pretty clearly.

NateDrake said:
I'm simply saying to wait until I can present everything we have and answers to the question of 2023 hardware will come at that time.

That's all the "maybe or maybe not" mention was for. Covering both questions and saying I'll answer that question and more soon.

One can also use the information we present to form your own conclusions.
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He's presenting his info and we can form our own conclusions/predictions about it from that.

But maybe I'm wrong and the talk about Nintendo is reporting on how much fun Doug Bowser had visiting Japan.
 
I'm expecting the worse.
scenario 1 - drake is cancelled, nvidia moving forward with the soc for their own purposes
scenario 2 - drake based platform is delayed due to major issues. unknown release date
scenario 3- nvidia has split with nintendo. next console is on a a snapdragon chip. the cancellation was with nvidia, the console is also unlikely to come out anytime soon.
scenario 4- we are already dead.
 
Dekuman said:
I'm expecting the worse.
scenario 1 - drake is cancelled, nvidia moving forward with the soc for their own purposes
scenario 2 - drake based platform is delayed due to major issues. unknown release date
scenario 3- nvidia has split with nintendo. next console is on a a snapdragon chip. the cancellation was with nvidia, the console is also unlikely to come out anytime soon.
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of these three I think 2 is most likely

some problem, delay made
 
eye0h said:
If he says the word heavy again it's over
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Brace yourself for the entire podcast being Nate just stating "this Nintendo news I have...it's heavy" repeatedly over and over and over again for two hours straight as we reach the pinnacle of everyone following this collectively rocking back and forth, being edged out endlessly but nobody actually daring to drop the concrete info.

The twist? Nintendo planned it all and already ninja'd Nate, ninja'd everybody and are now just playing with the internet gleefully, Doug Bowser's whole trip is just a mind-game and even Famitsu was in on it.

The M Night twist? The Uncles were also in on it too the whole time.
 
Raccoon said:
after all this time and all the talk of clarifications with sources, I don't expect whatever it is to be predictions
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then why not mention what it is. whatever. we will see tomorrow.
no reason to speculate what he meant, im just confused by the wording, that's once again on the edge of being clear for some, unclear/confusing to others.

(irrelevant what comes out, i would like for him to announce the release of silksong after that. pls.)
 
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lexony said:
Why? He seems to come to the conclusion which many of us have at who is reliable or not. That he sees inside infos as not that interesting (anymore) is entirely up to him and a very reasonable opinion.
Personally I also mainly listen to Nates and MVGs Podcast because I like to know their opinion. It is cool when we get some stuff like direct dates a few weeks before airing or some infos on which games we could expect for the year, but honestly their guesses/predictions are way more interesting to me. Like I also watch Digital Foundry because of their technical knowledge of hardware and not just because they analyse framerates.
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The conclusion is (mostly) not the problem, the methodology is the problem

By his methodology, someone is "reliable" if their claims come true, and "unreliable" if they do not. So, for instance, Emily's breakdown of Everybody's 1-2 Switch is deemed unreliable because the game was not released in 2022 (this is despite it being corroborated by journalists, who he did not include because he assumes they are reporting honestly). Meanwhile, if you simply repeat someone else's claim and it comes true, that counts as reliable for you. That's how SamusHunter ended up one of the more reliable insiders, for example
 
It's about the hardware and provide additional insight on the information we had and heard over the course of 2021 and well into 2022. We speculate about some things in the second half but the first half is presenting and discussing the info we were given. It'll provide clarity on certain things people have asked here and clarify some of the assumptions made in this thread. I cannot say whether it will answer every question; but it will give insight on this matter.
 
hologram said:
The conclusion is (mostly) not the problem, the methodology is the problem

By his methodology, someone is "reliable" if their claims come true, and "unreliable" if they do not. So, for instance, Emily's breakdown of Everybody's 1-2 Switch is deemed unreliable because the game was not released in 2022 (this is despite it being corroborated by journalists, who he did not include because he assumes they are reporting honestly). Meanwhile, if you simply repeat someone else's claim and it comes true, that counts as reliable for you. That's how SamusHunter ended up one of the more reliable insiders, for example
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Ahh yeah that‘s true. "Reliable" is probably the wrong word there. Maybe you could say that he did analyze who was the best at guessing what Nintendo is doing next, regardless of having inside infos. Samus Hunter maybe never had deep insider connections, but she was well informed and was good in doing educated guesses. Anyway I don‘t see a problem with his conclusion, in the end its mainly his own opinion even when I don’t fully agree.

Edit: btw. We are in the wrong thread lol.
 
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Kool Savis said:
I dont know, this thread is so depressing to me. I think Nintendo has now the opportunity to use its momentum, with delivering a good iterative Switch 2, 'til the old Switch gets phased out in 2/3 years. But now it seems very unlikely. I hope i'm wrong, but i get the same feeling as in the Wii to WiiU days 😵‍💫.
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Why do you think it's unlikely now? I honestly can't see Nintendo messing this up, especially after it was stated that they didn't want a repeat of the Wii U (forgot who said it though).
 
D36 said:
Why do you think it's unlikely now? I honestly can't see Nintendo messing this up, especially after it was stated that they didn't want a repeat of the Wii U (forgot who said it though).
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I don’t think they’ll mess up. At worst they’ll come to market later than many of us want, but that was to some degree inevitable.

I’m only disappointed because of Tears not being likely for a launch with new hardware, otherwise I’m pretty optimistic about Nintendo’s future.
 
NateDrake said:
It's about the hardware and provide additional insight on the information we had and heard over the course of 2021 and well into 2022. We speculate about some things in the second half but the first half is presenting and discussing the info we were given. It'll provide clarity on certain things people have asked here and clarify some of the assumptions made in this thread. I cannot say whether it will answer every question; but it will give insight on this matter.
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That's a clear statement, i appreciate that
 
Sol said:
If there's no talk about Drake, or what could be coming in 2023, what will this discussion be about? Genuinely curious.
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NateDrake said:
It's about the hardware and provide additional insight on the information we had and heard over the course of 2021 and well into 2022. We speculate about some things in the second half but the first half is presenting and discussing the info we were given. It'll provide clarity on certain things people have asked here and clarify some of the assumptions made in this thread. I cannot say whether it will answer every question; but it will give insight on this matter.
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You missed an important message here.
 
NateDrake said:
It's about the hardware and provide additional insight on the information we had and heard over the course of 2021 and well into 2022. We speculate about some things in the second half but the first half is presenting and discussing the info we were given. It'll provide clarity on certain things people have asked here and clarify some of the assumptions made in this thread. I cannot say whether it will answer every question; but it will give insight on this matter.
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Always appreciate clear-cut statements like this, looking forward to some clarification on this matter.

Also...blink twice if the Nintendo ninja's are staking out your place and we'll all come and take you to the Famiboard Nintendo Ninja Shelter for safekeeping.
 
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NateDrake said:
It's about the hardware and provide additional insight on the information we had and heard over the course of 2021 and well into 2022. We speculate about some things in the second half but the first half is presenting and discussing the info we were given. It'll provide clarity on certain things people have asked here and clarify some of the assumptions made in this thread. I cannot say whether it will answer every question; but it will give insight on this matter.
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BIG 2024 Energy in this post.

Just kidding. Thanks, Nate!
 
seeing how microsoft is struggling, even with its big acquisitions, and how sony is still not able to deliver PS5s, and how expensive graphics cards have become and the demand drove of a cliff...
yeah, i take back my worries that nintendo will be left behind in the short term if they don't release something.
Not that it would not benefit them (for the sake of the developers), but there seems to be a sealing currently.
 
NateDrake said:
It's about the HardwarE And proVide additional insight on the information we had and heard over the course of 2021 and well into 2022. We speculate about some things in the second half but the first half is presenting and discussing the info we were given. It'll provide claritY on certain things people have asked here and clarify some of the assumptions made in this thread. I cannot say whether it will answer every question; but it will give insight on this matter.
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it's in between the lines people
 
D36 said:
Why do you think it's unlikely now? I honestly can't see Nintendo messing this up, especially after it was stated that they didn't want a repeat of the Wii U (forgot who said it though).
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While i love my Switch, i see the need for something stronger. Since two years we are talking about a hypothetical Switch Pro/2 and i cannot wait, to play some games with better framerate, or with some improved Joycons. Many others are thinking same as me. If Nintendo messes up the timing for a new system, they will hurt the momentum/brand they had witch Switch. And i think 2023 will see a decline in sales and interest in Switch because of this. 2024 is to late, but just my opinion. I may be wrong 😀.
 
Kool Savis said:
While i love my Switch, i see the need for something stronger. Since two years we are talking about a hypothetical Switch Pro/2 and i cannot wait, to play some games with better framerate, or with some improved Joycons. Many others are thinking same as me. If Nintendo messes up the timing for a new system, they will hurt the momentum/brand they had witch Switch. And i think 2023 will see a decline in sales and interest in Switch because of this. 2024 is to late, but just my opinion. I may be wrong 😀.
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I think 2024 is honestly fine. While I do want it earlier (like right now), I will also buy it whenever it releases and as long as they have a strong lineup of games and it launches with mario kart or something they'll be ok.
 
Kool Savis said:
While i love my Switch, i see the need for something stronger. Since two years we are talking about a hypothetical Switch Pro/2 and i cannot wait, to play some games with better framerate, or with some improved Joycons. Many others are thinking same as me. If Nintendo messes up the timing for a new system, they will hurt the momentum/brand they had witch Switch. And i think 2023 will see a decline in sales and interest in Switch because of this. 2024 is to late, but just my opinion. I may be wrong 😀.
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I think you're underestimating the Switch's potential staying power this, especially considering the attach rate. In the event that the next system does release next year, as long as Nintendo releases games, they'll still sell well with the Switch's current install base. I don't think timing is as big of an issue as people in this thread were making it out to be a week ago.
 
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