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Mendinso said:
Will it have cruise control or is it locked behind an additional 5,000?
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Mischaal said:
I wouldn't expect that. I think it's more about 2023 games for Switch. He mentioned that there won't be any speculations in that video.
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The twist is that he said no speculations. That doesn't necessarily rule out discussion on the podcast about the Switch 2 if he's found evidence that confirms in his eyes the console and when we can expect the announcement of it.

If you don't hear about it on the podcast and there's zero announcement soon then one can take out May but not 2023. I'm in the camp of it's absolutely coming this year but the when is the speculative part. Once May is removed from the equation, I highly believe it to be announced at E3 in the grand return of the E3 Direct and even a 1% chance of a classic conference 😝
 
Mischaal said:
I wouldn't expect that. I think it's more about 2023 games for Switch. He mentioned that there won't be any speculations in that video.
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He said it wouldn’t be a predictions video ie. Nintendo 2023 predictions, akin to what they just did for Xbox.

We don’t know what the subject will be yet
 
Linkie3 said:
No predictions means he is just gonna spit facts for an hour. Facts about Drake (Nate Drake😛).
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That would be the first time. He doesn’t leak, he uses to explain how the industry works. But I’d appreciate finding out what made him act like he did when he was earlier always very reluctant to share.
 
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Erathix said:
The twist is that he said no speculations. That doesn't necessarily rule out discussion on the podcast about the Switch 2 if he's found evidence that confirms in his eyes the console and when we can expect the announcement of it.

If you don't hear about it on the podcast and there's zero announcement soon then one can take out May but not 2023. I'm in the camp of it's absolutely coming this year but the when is the speculative part. Once May is removed from the equation, I highly believe it to be announced at E3 in the grand return of the E3 Direct and even a 1% chance of a classic conference 😝
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It's really easy for this year, there is only 2 possible announcement windows logically speaking (not that Nintendo has to be logical, but this is the scope of a speculation thread), Earnings report for Q3 is Feb 7th, that week's Friday Feb 10th, is the last date possible for a 1H release (alongside Zelda), there will be a direct announced that week and they will show Zelda off at it, since Zelda comes out before E3, they might do a special Zelda direct in March or something, but the reality is that they will show/talk about Zelda that week of February and if Drake is launching alongside of it, it will be announced in that week.

Around E3 is the only other time they can announce Drake for this year, that is it. They won't announce it any other time this year, even for a release in 2024, they won't cut the Switch short, because until Sony and Microsoft, Nintendo needs Switch to fill the $199 and $299 price points, as Drake will cost $399 or more, so they can't abandon the Switch hardware and they didn't do this with the 3DS as well, which saw hardware release just 4 months after Switch launched, and stayed on the market getting big first party games through 2019, that means they need Switch to sell through 2025 even if Drake launches this year.
 
Z0m3le said:
It's really easy for this year, there is only 2 possible announcement windows logically speaking (not that Nintendo has to be logical, but this is the scope of a speculation thread), Earnings report for Q3 is Feb 7th, that week's Friday Feb 10th, is the last date possible for a 1H release (alongside Zelda), there will be a direct announced that week and they will show Zelda off at it, since Zelda comes out before E3, they might do a special Zelda direct in March or something, but the reality is that they will show/talk about Zelda that week of February and if Drake is launching alongside of it, it will be announced in that week.

Around E3 is the only other time they can announce Drake for this year, that is it. They won't announce it any other time this year, even for a release in 2024, they won't cut the Switch short, because until Sony and Microsoft, Nintendo needs Switch to fill the $199 and $299 price points, as Drake will cost $399 or more, so they can't abandon the Switch hardware and they didn't do this with the 3DS as well, which saw hardware release just 4 months after Switch launched, and stayed on the market getting big first party games through 2019, that means they need Switch to sell through 2025 even if Drake launches this year.
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While I broadly agree, I don't think they'll be pressed to avoid a 2023 reveal for an early 2024 release, just like they didn't worry Switch would suppress 3DS, and moreover, these target vastly different market segments. Enthusiasts will be the first to buy Switch 2/Pro/Super, which wouldn't tend to be the people buying a console in the second last year of its life.

3DS, too, announced well ahead of the DS' last holiday season, and unlike DS, Switch 2/P/S will initially supplement Switch with superior but gameplay identical games before the exclusives really flood in, much like how PS4 and Xbox One were on sale long after announcement.

3DS was also far more behind the curve as far as the industry goes compared to the Switch, so I'd tend to believe Nintendo that Switch will have a true 10 year lifespan, with first party games that CAN run on Switch (1) continuing to come to Switch until at least 2027.
 
Concernt said:
While I broadly agree, I don't think they'll be pressed to avoid a 2023 reveal for an early 2024 release, just like they didn't worry Switch would suppress 3DS, and moreover, these target vastly different market segments. Enthusiasts will be the first to buy Switch 2/Pro/Super, which wouldn't tend to be the people buying a console in the second last year of its life.

3DS, too, announced well ahead of the DS' last holiday season, and unlike DS, Switch 2/P/S will initially supplement Switch with superior but gameplay identical games before the exclusives really flood in, much like how PS4 and Xbox One were on sale long after announcement.

3DS was also far more behind the curve as far as the industry goes compared to the Switch, so I'd tend to believe Nintendo that Switch will have a true 10 year lifespan, with first party games that CAN run on Switch (1) continuing to come to Switch until at least 2027.
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Maybe at the game awards, but no, I'd heavily disagree with you on announcing before the holidays, it is the one time of year they can bank on hardware sales, which is a huge part of their business, they also positioned the Switch as a Wii U successor, making sure to announce new 3DS exclusive games, they won't announce Switch Gen 1 exclusive games because Switch "2" will play Switch 1 games. These are not similar situations, the 3DS and DS are similar, but that was nearly 13 years ago, there was a much longer announce to release timing and a roll out to multiple regions, where generally the goal today is to launch hardware world wide and in a short reveal to release so that hype can carry a product through it's launch.
 
Z0m3le said:
Maybe at the game awards, but no, I'd heavily disagree with you on announcing before the holidays, it is the one time of year they can bank on hardware sales, which is a huge part of their business, they also positioned the Switch as a Wii U successor, making sure to announce new 3DS exclusive games, they won't announce Switch Gen 1 exclusive games because Switch "2" will play Switch 1 games. These are not similar situations, the 3DS and DS are similar, but that was nearly 13 years ago, there was a much longer announce to release timing and a roll out to multiple regions, where generally the goal today is to launch hardware world wide and in a short reveal to release so that hype can carry a product through it's launch.
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I think it's very comparable if we are to assume in any capacity Switch 1 will continue to be supported, exclusivity or not. Especially since if they want to launch next fiscal year but within the next calendar year, that gives them a January to March window, which would be. Even more truncated a marketing schedule, depending on timing.

I'm still expecting, well, hoping, but expecting given the evidence, that we'll get a late January to early February reveal with an April launch, which would be similar.

If your point on truncated reveal to release is wholly true, I think that actually heightens our chances of this device coming sooner than later, in the March to June period.
 
Since all the drifting of this generation´s products Nintendo knows the auto-industry is the next frontier to expand their business.
 
Hermii said:
I have still refused to watch that movie, mostly because I read that quote online. And Im a SW fan and I liked ep 8.
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Never watched TROS myself either, but I actually didn't like episode 8 and also hated TFA. Wasn't going to give them my money a third time around when I did not like the previous 2 films and honestly doesn't sound like I missed much. It was quite amusing seeing the meltdowns over episode 9.
 
Onilink97 said:
Never watched TROS myself either, but I actually didn't like episode 8 and also hated TFA. Wasn't going to give them my money a third time around when I did not like the previous 2 films and honestly doesn't sound like I missed much. It was quite amusing seeing the meltdowns over episode 9.
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You're a wiser man than me. I felt swindled by TFA given it re-tread so much old ground, I did like TFA and TLJ in lots of ways - but they were flawed in others... I felt maybe they could wrap it up neatly and deliver something special at the end - so I gleefully paid to see TROS despite misgivings. I've never had a post-viewing experience like it really. As I walked back to the car, my brain poked more and more holes in it and I was kind of agitated by what they'd done. They fucked up what should have been an easily popular thing and actually kind of damaged the story told up until that point - simply by not planning properly and having no sense of conviction in each thing they delivered. Bananas. It's like they didn't have any fan-input on the big decisions, but plenty of it on the inconsequential cameos and call-backs. It was focus grouped for member-berries and mangled at the end for the reactionaries who didn't like TLJ - just a mess. I rewatched 1-6 last year, and just couldn't bring myself to watch those again.

Speaking of making what seems like an easily popular thing but probably isn't so easy - that's kind of what lays in front of Nintendo right now. Make the Switch but better. I hope we get news soon!

Speaking of Star Wars - the EA exclusivity deal with Disney effectively ends this year, we're getting new games from Ubisoft and others. I've been playing my N64 a bit recently, and both the 64 and Gamecube were amazing consoles for Star Wars content. I hope Switch (2) can be a home for new Star Wars games once again!
 
Baobab said:
Since all the drifting of this generation´s products Nintendo knows the auto-industry is the next frontier to expand their business.
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Smash Kirby said:


Interesting how there are plenty of other devices by other groups trying to tap into the Switch/Steam Deck market.
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laptop apus have gotten exceptionally good. problem is these are all very expensive due to the inability to subsidize pricing
 
Smash Kirby said:


Interesting how there are plenty of other devices by other groups trying to tap into the Switch/Steam Deck market.
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Aya devices predate the Deck and they have always sort of existed in the background. The GDPWin already existed and the Win2, WinMax, Win3 line came out during the Switch lifetime.
 
FrakEarth said:
You're a wiser man than me. I felt swindled by TFA given it re-tread so much old ground, I did like TFA and TLJ in lots of ways - but they were flawed in others... I felt maybe they could wrap it up neatly and deliver something special at the end - so I gleefully paid to see TROS despite misgivings. I've never had a post-viewing experience like it really. As I walked back to the car, my brain poked more and more holes in it and I was kind of agitated by what they'd done. They fucked up what should have been an easily popular thing and actually kind of damaged the story told up until that point - simply by not planning properly and having no sense of conviction in each thing they delivered. Bananas. It's like they didn't have any fan-input on the big decisions, but plenty of it on the inconsequential cameos and call-backs. It was focus grouped for member-berries and mangled at the end for the reactionaries who didn't like TLJ - just a mess. I rewatched 1-6 last year, and just couldn't bring myself to watch those again.

Speaking of making what seems like an easily popular thing but probably isn't so easy - that's kind of what lays in front of Nintendo right now. Make the Switch but better. I hope we get news soon!

Speaking of Star Wars - the EA exclusivity deal with Disney effectively ends this year, we're getting new games from Ubisoft and others. I've been playing my N64 a bit recently, and both the 64 and Gamecube were amazing consoles for Star Wars content. I hope Switch (2) can be a home for new Star Wars games once again!
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Haha thanks - yep, I really disliked TFA and was utterly disappointed in the direction they took and what it meant for stories set after ROTJ and stories going forward. I was crushed haha. I said that TLJ would be the last chance for me and when I came out of that not liking it either I thought no way was I seeing how it ended, especially with JJ returning. I wish Brad Bird had ditched tomorrowland and said yes to TFA as he was Disney's first choice. Also, the only reason I was seeing the ST in the first place was Luke, Han and Leia, and by the end of TLJ they were all dead and Carrie Fisher tragically passed away, therefore, there was absolutely no emotional investment for episode 9 for me. I am sorry you hated it so much. For sure, they rushed things, didn't think things through properly and it was such a wasted opportunity, so much more they could have done. Yes so I heard, and it sounds like a lot of people who disliked TLJ don't like TROS anyway so pointless from their part.

Haha for sure, I am so ready for the next nintendo console.

Yes I hope we can get some good new star wars games on a nintendo console, it has been too long.
 
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Shadowrun said:
But also this. I think it was maybe a reference to the GPU model number that we know is in Drake specifically popped up in there.
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Right, GA10F is the Ampere GPU for Drake. It was mentioned once in an August version of the Drive OS Linux SDK doc, alongside GA10B, but nowhere else. Meanwhile, GA10FB (Orin) is mentioned in several places, including the device tree, which makes sense.

The reference was removed in the latest version published in November, which is the one that Nvidia links to in their Drive OS page.

Doc error is the most reasonable explanation to me, as GA10F was only in one page in August, and Tegra 239 is mentioned nowhere.
 
The fact that we're relying on a freaking typo to determine whether or not Drake is real, a Nintendo device, or whether or not it's releasing this year, just tells you everything you need about the current Nintendo hardware speculation situation.

KCannon said:
www.resetera.com

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Updates are at the bottom of this post Definitely worthy of its own thread. There have been many "leaks" in the past, but this one is incredibly well made if it's actually fake. It's getting a ton of attention. A guy (accidentally?) leaked the entire roster through the final character art...
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Just read the first post to get an idea of the absolute madness.
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Oh god, those are painful memories
 
wolftendo said:
The fact that we're relying on a freaking typo to determine whether or not Drake is real, a Nintendo device, or whether or not it's releasing this year, just tells you everything you need about the current Nintendo hardware speculation situation.


Oh god, those are painful memories
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I read from this post that we need someone in the know winning the lottery, leaking everything afterwards and then go underground to avoid Nintendos Lawyer-Ninjas.

And i agree!
 
Bonejack said:
I read from this post that we need someone in the know winning the lottery, leaking everything afterwards and then go underground to avoid Nintendos Lawyer-Ninjas.

And i agree!
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Honestly even with money I would be extremely terrified of the ninjas.
 
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Smash Kirby said:


Interesting how there are plenty of other devices by other groups trying to tap into the Switch/Steam Deck market.
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How do we call these kind of products? Powerful handhelds? HD handhelds? Hybrid consoles?
The-Gameboy-You-dreamed-when-you-were-13-year-old?

Also since we're in the Gameboy/Gameboy advance phase of those products, this means the next logical evolution is a Clamshell design, a la Gameboy Advance SP right? RIGHT????

 
Hush said:
When is Nintendo´s earnings call? You guys think we will get insight or hints if they are planning a next gen platform launch soon?
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February 7th, which is part of why I think it could be announced the 31st of this month or 2nd/7th/9th of February
 
wolftendo said:
The fact that we're relying on a freaking typo to determine whether or not Drake is real, a Nintendo device, or whether or not it's releasing this year, just tells you everything you need about the current Nintendo hardware speculation situation.
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Imo the NVN2 leak details are sufficient to confirm the former two points (Drake is real and for Nintendo). We've known it for almost a year and nothing has refuted it yet.

I agree that release timing is more up in the air but I feel most of us are debating over either 2023 or 2024 as there's only so far they can push it. The Drive OS SDK might have answered the manufacturing timeline for T239 but we now have an explanation for why GA10F could have been in there.
 
Hush said:
When is Nintendo´s earnings call? You guys think we will get insight or hints if they are planning a next gen platform launch soon?
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Nothing meaningful for us ever comes out of those meetings; it's meant strictly for investors. Even when asked about new hardware directly, they'll find some way to spin a non-answer and it's nigh impossible to read between the lines.

They'd want to announce new hardware to a wider audience than a room full of two dozen suits, or they won't wink and hint at all
 
wolftendo said:
How do we call these kind of products? Powerful handhelds? HD handhelds? Hybrid consoles?
The-Gameboy-You-dreamed-when-you-were-13-year-old?

Also since we're in the Gameboy/Gameboy advance phase of those products, this means the next logical evolution is a Clamshell design, a la Gameboy Advance SP right? RIGHT????

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Handheld PCs.

I also think
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Serif said:
Imo the NVN2 leak details are sufficient to confirm the former two points (Drake is real and for Nintendo). We've known it for almost a year and nothing has refuted it yet.

I agree that release timing is more up in the air but I feel most of us are debating over either 2023 or 2024 as there's only so far they can push it. The Drive OS SDK might have answered the manufacturing timeline for T239 but we now have an explanation for why GA10F could have been in there.
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I kinda had the same reading from all of this. But I also thought that believing that Drake was cancelled and NVIDIA is reusing it for a car and having as proof a single reference to the OS that could be explained by a typo is extreme levels of reaching. It's pessimistic for pessimism sake.
 
Brofield said:
Nothing meaningful for us ever comes out of those meetings; it's meant strictly for investors. Even when asked about new hardware directly, they'll find some way to spin a non-answer and it's nigh impossible to read between the lines.

They'd want to announce new hardware to a wider audience than a room full of two dozen suits, or they won't wink and hint at all
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True, but they'll want to talk about it with investors ASAP. So I think an announcement before the earning's call is... Possible. And if not that, then the May EOFY briefing.
 
Concernt said:
True, but they'll want to talk about it with investors ASAP. So I think an announcement before the earning's call is... Possible. And if not that, then the May EOFY briefing.
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Oh, that I agree with. I think I misread @Hush 's post if it were possible to get info from the earnings call itself, rather than a general announcement prior. My apologies haha. No caffeine for nearly three weeks will really do a number on you 🥴
 
Concernt said:
Handheld PCs.
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But the switch and drake are not PCs, and while the architectures and games are different, the form factor and basic use is the same. The reason many people compared the steam deck with the switch is because of this form factor.

LiC said:
Switch knockoffs.
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Contentious but I have to agree lol

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Nintendo is going to get more and more questions regarding a successor to Switch at these investors meetings. They will want to see a road map for the future. Yes Nintendo is still doing very well with Switch, but if there is good reason to anticipate a steady decline over the next few years, investors will consider selling off stock.
 
Concernt said:
February 7th, which is part of why I think it could be announced the 31st of this month or 2nd/7th/9th of February
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I would think they would want to have some sort of Direct by then due to the Switch sales decline and pressure from investors to answer how they plan to give a resurgence on the gaming side (they are growing the business through film and theme parks this year, but Im sure investors want to see where the future of their gaming plans is going)

Brofield said:
Nothing meaningful for us ever comes out of those meetings; it's meant strictly for investors. Even when asked about new hardware directly, they'll find some way to spin a non-answer and it's nigh impossible to read between the lines.

They'd want to announce new hardware to a wider audience than a room full of two dozen suits, or they won't wink and hint at all
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I dont think thats the case really because they can very much say that they are readying themselves for whats next or launching new hardware/Switch model in the next fiscal year to at least reassure investors that they are prepared for whats next rather than relying on the current Switch
 
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