Let's just say more powerful switch.
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StarTopic Future Nintendo Hardware & Technology Speculation & Discussion |ST| (Read the staff posts before commenting!)
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edit: having typed all this out... I'm too tilted and took your reply way too combatively. sorry about that, I'm a little on edge today
@ILikeFeet to justify my snide reply a little further
constantly I have been told by the zeitgeist of this thread that naming and positioning are independent of the technology and what it is capable of and are just the product of marketing. maybe I misinterpreted what I was told but that was the conclusion I gathered from it. now, when I am engaged in a discussion of what I think their strategy may be from that marketing perspective I am interjected with the insistence that a pro is incapable of the upgrades I have said are inadequate to launch a system with, despite that being entirely irrelevant to what I was trying to argue. even if some shared understanding of a non-drake pro existed, which from my understanding it does not, how does that detract from my broader point? tears of the kingdom is the very iterative sequel to the first switch game, and in fact is a very iterative sequel to a wii u game. even running on a machine more powerful than drake it's still not switch 2 launch title material imo. if you disagree with that, that's fair enough. but I resented the interjection that technically a switch pro couldn't run zelda better as if that is relevant to what I was saying at all
constantly I have been told by the zeitgeist of this thread that naming and positioning are independent of the technology and what it is capable of and are just the product of marketing. maybe I misinterpreted what I was told but that was the conclusion I gathered from it. now, when I am engaged in a discussion of what I think their strategy may be from that marketing perspective I am interjected with the insistence that a pro is incapable of the upgrades I have said are inadequate to launch a system with, despite that being entirely irrelevant to what I was trying to argue. even if some shared understanding of a non-drake pro existed, which from my understanding it does not, how does that detract from my broader point? tears of the kingdom is the very iterative sequel to the first switch game, and in fact is a very iterative sequel to a wii u game. even running on a machine more powerful than drake it's still not switch 2 launch title material imo. if you disagree with that, that's fair enough. but I resented the interjection that technically a switch pro couldn't run zelda better as if that is relevant to what I was saying at all
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In that case, that switch pro already came out in 2019
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If no new updated HW releases with Zelda and especially not the end of 2023, then what have Nvidia/Nintendo HW teams been working on since late 2016/early 2017? Mariko can't have been it right?Will the cause of dev kits being out for more than two years be because of COVID? What's the status on the current dev kits that have (supposedly) been distributed since late 2020/early 2021? Are they just being extra careful and testing T239 for a really long time?
If this thing does end up coming holiday 2023 or later, I hope there was a good reason for it. Die shrink? Sure. They wanted to close the gap between Drake and current gen as much as possible? I can live with that. I'm just saying I hope they make the (if nothing else comes with TotK) 6+ year for more powerful HW worth it. Like I hope they didn't hold off solely to wait out until the chip shortage was completely over (not that it isn't a good reason). I just hope that the second major fruit of this "20 year relationship" is worth the wait.
My point is, we spent too much time in this thread debating the difference between successor and revision. Everyone is sick of it.In that case, that switch pro already came out in 2019
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So with all what happened if I may ask can we entertain the idea Drake Switch was canned? Pause. I know it sounds controversial with all the solid data we have and the Linux commits about T239 physically existing but with DF and Nate infos and this OLED Zelda Switch(that anyone believing in an H1 2023 release could not even think may happen) I just want that we should entertain that possibility. Don't get me wrong I think Drake Switch being canned is unlikely(I even hope this leak is somehow fake) but Nintendo can be so weird and unpredictable(It was kind of logical to launch Switch 2 with their most anticipated game even if that meant delaying the game, Switch 2 certainly needs it more than the aging Switch). Yes they invested tons of R&D and devs were working on Drake which makes it even more unlikely but we just don't know for certain with Nintendo. Maybe they got really big headed and revised their planning thinking they can ride on Switch still late 2024/2025??(It may sound weird but with Nintendo's comments of Switch lasting longer and Nintendo kind of greedy mindset I don't know what to think). At this point Drake cancelled or not would it make sense to use it?
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No.
mariodk18
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Also, about the regular Smash Bros edition 3DS XL released in EU/NA and the new 3DS XL edition that came out after...There is actually a less "exciting" reason for that I want to clear up.
As far as I can tell, the OG 3DS XL version never released in Japan and was only in the West. Meanwhile, the only special SSB edition announced for Japan was a "new 3DS LL" that only released in Japan, which was shown off in the 8.29.14 3DS Direct (that announced the new 3DS). This is likely because the new 3DS didn't come out until 2015 in NA/EU.
So Japan never got the regular 3DS XL version; they only had the updated version. The version that came out in the West had the same design, but was actually announced before the new 3DS and came out about two weeks before SSB43DS.
As far as I can tell, the OG 3DS XL version never released in Japan and was only in the West. Meanwhile, the only special SSB edition announced for Japan was a "new 3DS LL" that only released in Japan, which was shown off in the 8.29.14 3DS Direct (that announced the new 3DS). This is likely because the new 3DS didn't come out until 2015 in NA/EU.
So Japan never got the regular 3DS XL version; they only had the updated version. The version that came out in the West had the same design, but was actually announced before the new 3DS and came out about two weeks before SSB43DS.
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I don't think so. It sounds like the Switch Pro was a product being planned to release a couple years ago. The Switch OLED was likely going to be a Pro model, but the higher performance, regardless if it was a high clocked Mariko chip or a brand new chip altogether, was scraped and Nintendo simply released it as the OLED model. Even when you listen to John at DF, his comments sounds like the Pro was a model they had considered a while back but got canceled, not something that was canned a earlier this year.
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I know, I’m just messing with you.
It's very well documented what Nintendo has been working on that time. Nvn2/ T239. Whatever this supposedly canned 2023 hardware was, and how Drake fits into that is indeed a mystery.
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Drake was not canned. We can say that with almost 100% certainty.
Drake Switch? Probably not canned but less certain.
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I feel like people aren't appreciating the seriousness of what cancelling new hardware with a custom SoC and new Nvidia-developed GPU features after multiple years of work, with SDKs and/or devkits already sent out, would mean. This is not like, what if the Game Boy Micro was cancelled. Asking what if the Drake Switch was canned is like asking what if the original Switch had been canned in 2016. That would be a massive event and we would hear about it from multiple real sources with definitive proof about what it was and when it was cancelled. We wouldn't hear about it from one single person offhandedly as "from what I understand a mid-gen refresh was cancelled" when the latter isn't what a Drake Switch would be in the first place.
You don't commission a custom soc and build a API for it just to can it once it's completed. No fucking way.
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Hope you all are true because I don't even believe in what I've written. What happened the past hours have risen alot of uncertainty for me.
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Mario 25th Anniversary DSi XL 3 months prior to 3DS launch, annnounced and released after the 3DS was already announced for release in February 2011.
Limited edition hardware releases mean legit nothing, the sudden ascribing of meaning to such things is… odd.
When two or more "game journalists" agree on something it's usually the best time to suspect something's up.
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I agree with both of you, I'm just speaking to what we know for certain versus what is exceedingly likely.
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What if it's changed and therefore delayed?
We know about the specs and NVN2 from the Nvidia leak, but wasn't that information from 2021?
What if the specis/GPU architecture of T239 has change by now?
Full copium mode:Here is a SS of my embarrassing DMs with said man. He never responds to me lol. Just sent the last 2 leaks and dips.
I can provide any proof you request if you want to see the dms
Switch 2 is gonna be released with Metroid Prime Remake, which would show the power of the new system much better than the sequel that looks almost the same as the six year old predecessor.
Belmont on resetera had a pretty big post on the Metroid Prime Remake, who heard that the game will look pretty impressive. Not sure if he was reliable.
double full copium mode:
Switch 2 is named Switch Prime
Look over there
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I'm not gonna pile on with yet another No, but I do want to say this:
If the T239 is not used in a Switch, then because there is no other chip as of early 2022, then the ride is probably until 2026 or later, not 2024/2025.
Primarily because of the time involved if you're starting from scratch. Remember, work on NVN2 started in 2019! We're already looking at 3 or more years from start! If you're starting from zero in mid 2022 or later, then launching that device by the end of 2025 is towards the optimistic end of things!
Secondarily, and I'm getting tangential here, but there's something I should probably explicitly highlight instead of imply. So we don't have enough details yet (need clock speeds), but I should point out that Drake potentially (this is doing a lot of heavy lifting here) hits peak, or close enough to peak for the difference to not significantly matter, performance for a Switch-style device before 2026.
Why do I say that? Drake has the capability to get memory bandwidth bound by either 128-bit LPDDR5 or LPDDR5X. Without further expanding on memory bus width (read: add a 3rd 64-bit module), we're not seeing a major leap in bandwidth until LPDDR6. Current roadmap from Samsung puts LPDDR6 at 2026. And we know how roadmaps are; things are rarely pulled in, so expect 2026 or later.
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It is time for primetimeFull copium mode:
Switch 2 is gonna be released with Metroid Prime Remake, which would show the power of the new system much better than the sequel that looks almost the same as the six year old predecessor.
Belmont on resetera had a pretty big post on the Metroid Prime Remake, who heard that the game will look pretty impressive. Not sure if he was reliable.
double full copium mode:
Switch 2 is named Switch Prime
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We also should all keep in mind that Totk is releasing around the time Nintendo do their Fiscal earnings release, so if nothing is said about new hardware by then just maybe they could hype us for an e3 reveal which wont effect Zelda OLED sales
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Micro in general came out nearly a year after DS.
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Lots of people speculating a holiday 2024 release when I'm still trying to figure out how this implies that H1 2023 is ruled out.
if true, I wonder if the Switch V2 discontinuation implies anything... OLED price drop?
if true, I wonder if the Switch V2 discontinuation implies anything... OLED price drop?
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I think people are seeming to weigh possibilities against how much they would disappoint us. Like, it would be incredibly tough for us to swallow, but of course that doesn't make it an impossible thing to happen! But think instead about what it would mean for Nintendo, Nvidia, and any third parties who were brought on board in the last 2-3 years.
Believing that a planned 2023 Drake Switch was cancelled means believing that the most significant event in Nintendo's entire history of hardware happened and the only place we heard about it was as a "mid-gen refresh" (which it isn't) being shelved from one person's offhand comment in a podcast.
Where are the third parties who were supposedly developing games, even some exclusives, for this system? They're totally chill that it got cancelled after SDKs and/or devkits were sent to them? Not one person at any one of these companies leaking this information to the likes of Bloomberg? The story itself doesn't make any sense to begin with and the idea that it could happen so quietly doesn't make sense either.
Amazon Prime Video!It is time for primetime
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Very poor service…. Prime only refers to Metroid.
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What is the source for them stopping v2 production?
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The funcle, or the Chinese forums.
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Yeah, for us to even consider that Drake was canned...that in and of itself isn't the biggest problem (it disappoints us, sure), but the implications as a result of that. Like what that would mean in practicality. Saying or accepting that "Drake was canceled everyone!" is the easy part. The consequences of something like that happening are, putting it lightly, significant. It doesn't "answer" what's going on with Drake; it only would create more questions.
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The only way it makes sense for Zelda to be the last big game for a while is Nintendo completely fucking up again like they did with the Wii and killing the system by abandoning it basically. So it's not impossible but it would be a terrible thing.
I am not goingto lie Nintendo has done some boneheaded stuff this gen. Animal Crossing should have been handled way better than it was. It literally screams release lots of dlc for me and they basically put out a few patches then said later
I am not goingto lie Nintendo has done some boneheaded stuff this gen. Animal Crossing should have been handled way better than it was. It literally screams release lots of dlc for me and they basically put out a few patches then said later
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Ask yourself, why would they even need to? They don't need a first party game for every month of the year. And releasing two brand new Mario games in one year doesn't make a lot of sense, imo. Switch 2 would appeal to the core gamers at first.
Those guys though, aren't well established or had great track records that last time I checked. One guy was adamant we were absolutely oing to have TP HD and WW HD before Totk.
Sometimes it could also mean they might also have the same source, and that source could be b.s.
There's also a scenario where Its also so easy to say you have insider information and also deliberately fool others. It's been done before on this forum as well to mess with some YouTubers.
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For Animal Crossing there's at least a decent explanation - COVID hit like right before the game launched. I'm sure that threw a massive wrench into their plans for supporting it.
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For the record, we're like a week away from being further from ToTKs title reveal than we are from ToTK itself.
If new hardware was releasing alongside Zelda we likely would have heard about it in December. Which isn't to say it can't still happen, but every extra second is making it less and less likely.
Also there's zero chance a major new 3D Mario or 2D Mario is releasing in April. We would've seen it in September if it were.
If new hardware was releasing alongside Zelda we likely would have heard about it in December. Which isn't to say it can't still happen, but every extra second is making it less and less likely.
Also there's zero chance a major new 3D Mario or 2D Mario is releasing in April. We would've seen it in September if it were.
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speaking of support though, that's how the system will stay relevant without major new software. mario kart is live, splatoon is live, xenoblade is live (maybe? iirc), etc
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