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Most of us believe T239 is the chip in the next Switch, with all that entails. Release timing is anyone's guess. H1 2023 was a reasonable one. I still think it would have been, if the hardware was ready by then.

We can decide how 'wrong' we were about everything when the hardware has actually been announced and released.

But if we are wrong - somehow - it won't be because of inflated expectations or fanfiction or whatnot. The folks who have looked at and shared information about the data breach have been careful. The folks who have analyzed and drawn estimates from that data have been careful. We've discussed reasonable 'worst case scenarios' about the performance of T239.

If the branches of reality align to create some other outcome where T239 isn't in the next Switch, it's worse than our minimum expectation, or it ends up being released in some far-flung year like 2025, then I would just wonder what happened.
 
Look over there said:
If the T239 is not used in a Switch, then because there is no other chip as of early 2022, then the ride is probably until 2026 or later, not 2024/2025.

Primarily because of the time involved if you're starting from scratch. Remember, work on NVN2 started in 2019! We're already looking at 3 or more years from start! If you're starting from zero in mid 2022 or later, then launching that device by the end of 2025 is towards the optimistic end of things!
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When I say 2026 for something starting in 2022, remember that I think that something that started in 2019 can launch in 2023.
If you the reader think that something started in 2019 can NOT launch in 2023, then by extension, you also think that something starting in 2022 can't launch in 2026. (and that's if something is started up in 2022)

How many ways are there for me to express that it's T239 or bust for the next few years?
 
Serif said:
Most of us believe T239 is the chip in the next Switch, with all that entails. Release timing is anyone's guess. H1 2023 was a reasonable one. I still think it would have been, if the hardware was ready by then.

We can decide how 'wrong' we were about everything when the hardware has actually been announced and released.

But if we are wrong - somehow - it won't be because of inflated expectations or fanfiction or whatnot. The folks who have looked at and shared information about the data breach have been careful. The folks who have analyzed and drawn estimates from that data have been careful. We've discussed reasonable 'worst case scenarios' about the performance of T239.

If the branches of reality align to create some other outcome where T239 isn't in the next Switch, it's worse than our minimum expectation, or it ends up being released in some far-flung year like 2025, then I would just wonder what happened.
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Was a reasonable time?

It's literally still a reasonable time.
 
TurtleRock said:
The Xbox 360 launched in 2005 and Xbox One launched in 2013. An 8 year gap.

It was a 7 year gap for the ps3 and ps4.

Both the base version of the Xbox One and PS4 launched in 2013 and the successors dropped in 2020. 7 years.

Now both those consoles had “pro” versions but quite frankly, that was an unprecedented move at the time and one I don’t see happening again for a myriad of reasons.

We’ve now had two console generations in a row with 7 year gaps minimum between the original console launch and the successor launch. (Not counting the WiiU for obvious reasons). 7.5 years doesn’t seem too crazy.

As for engagement… people are speculating about a dlc heavy year but honestly I’m expecting a bit more given what we know is rumored to exist or be in development.

As for 2024 I think Nintendo will cross that bridge when they get to it. I could easily see that being their true “wind down” year. To be honest winding down 6-9 months before the launch of a new console would be a record for Nintendo. They usually “wind down” a lot sooner than that.
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If they do, I could imagine somewhere between rtx 3070 to 3080 power (on AMD hardware) 20-25TFLOPs pro models for GPU. CPU maybe go up to 4.5 GHz.. on a 4nm chip? Lol wonder what the power draw for that will be.

Does AMD have hardware like tensor cores for equivalent versions of DLSS? I imagine their upscaling technology would be better with new hardware , but I dunno
 
ShadowFox08 said:
If they do, I could imagine somewhere between rtx 3070 to 3080 power (on AMD hardware) 20-25TFLOPs pro models for GPU. CPU maybe go up to 4 GHz. Does AMD have hardware like tensor cores for equivalent versions of DLSS? I imagine their upscaling technology would be better with new hardware , but I dunno
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AMDs FSR upscaling is vendor neutral, and does not require specific hardware. For that reason, it's significantly slower than dlss.
 
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ShadowFox08 said:
If they do, I could imagine somewhere between rtx 3070 to 3080 power (on AMD hardware) 20-25TFLOPs pro models for GPU. CPU maybe go up to 4.5 GHz.. on a 4nm chip? Lol wonder what the power draw for that will be.

Does AMD have hardware like tensor cores for equivalent versions of DLSS? I imagine their upscaling technology would be better with new hardware , but I dunno
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Aren't the PS5 and XSX closer in power to the 3060? I doubt a mobile platform could exceed that in a couple of years
 
Pokemaniac said:
If they ever made serious progress on another chip, the lack of evidence is very odd. It's not 100% proof it didn't happen, but you'd expect more evidence.
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Ah, so my Drake > Dave theory might just be correct then /s

edit: Also, yeah, I would say the primary reason most of us here isn't to nail down release timing. It's to speculate what technology and features might be in Nintendo's next hardware.
 
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WUST was about how specs were below even the lowest expectations. Like offensively below it😂

This is just wrong time. I don’t think that comparable to WUST in this case if the specs are as rumored.
 
ShadowFox08 said:
Does AMD have hardware like tensor cores for equivalent versions of DLSS? I imagine their upscaling technology would be better with new hardware , but I dunno
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They do but not for consumer hardware it’s for datacenter, and AMD’s design philosophy for consumer products is against even doing that. So I eluding expect Tensor Core-like hardware in those consoles anyway. Also, they don’t really need it if they have FSR2.x they can leverage.
 
mariodk18 said:
Ah, so my Drake > Dave theory might just be correct then /s
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I can't help but feel sad when things seemed to line up but now Zelda of all games might be only on Switch. Takes out the excitement for me knowing the only new Zelda game available for the new system will be a year or so old by that point. And the 1st Zelda made for the hardware will take like 20 more years to come out just like this one. Sigh

Edit: Or Pikmin 4, or Donkey Kong, or F-Zero (even a remaster)
 
Procheno said:
I can't help but feel sad when things seemed to line up but now Zelda of all games might be only on Switch. Takes out the excitement for me knowing the only new Zelda game available for the new system will be a year or so old by that point. And the 1st Zelda made for the hardware will take like 20 more years to come out just like this one. Sigh
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if I were king of nintendo I'd have a team (outsourced?) make a super fancy AAA ffvii remake esque ocarina of time as a switch 2 exclusive for 2024/2025
 
I really don't get why a Special Edition Zelda OLED changes things on new hardware for 2023, Special Edition Switch consoles have released the same year as new hardware during the Switch lifecycle. It happened with the Lite and OLED, it could easily happen again.
 
Hidden04 said:
I really don't get why a Special Edition Zelda OLED changes things on new hardware for 2023, Special Edition Switch consoles have released the same year as new hardware during the Switch lifecycle. It happened with the Lite and OLED, it could easily happen again.
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The ZOLED is just an OLED in a different painted casing, right? It's not like they are making new hardware for it.
 
Hidden04 said:
Yeah, I don't think is what the new production line is for.
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Huh, must have missed that bit when speeding through these posts. So a new production line? Specifically for console production, or something else? Assuming the former, how many lines are typical in this case for a single platform? Would Nintendo need another production line for the Switch, or would this be the start of production for the successor?
 
Discostew said:
Huh, must have missed that bit when speeding through these posts. So a new production line? Specifically for console production, or something else? Assuming the former, how many lines are typical in this case for a single platform? Would Nintendo need another production line for the Switch, or would this be the start of production for the successor?
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You should take a look at fwd-bwd's posts.
 
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